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Night and morning cap in Cyrodiil
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PrinceDamien✭✭✭✭You can't compare an "Open World/Zone" PvP map that is open 24/7 to something like Soccer that is planned ahead with date and time.
If you want the rules of certain numbers of players during a certain time then I think Battlegrounds is what you're looking for.7 -
Skyperess✭✭Thanks to all who shared their opinion here, we like totaly disagree, wishing everyone good luck in the game and lets all happily keep pretending nightcap and morningcap isn't an issue in Cyrodiil, all works as planned, bye.1 -
Thanks to all who shared their opinion here, we like totaly disagree, wishing everyone good luck in the game and lets all happily keep pretending nightcap and morningcap isn't an issue in Cyrodiil, all works as planned, bye.
People live outside your time zone, night capping to you is prime time for others.. It's that simple..5 -
PrinceDamien✭✭✭✭Flex_Mentallo wrote: »Thanks to all who shared their opinion here, we like totaly disagree, wishing everyone good luck in the game and lets all happily keep pretending nightcap and morningcap isn't an issue in Cyrodiil, all works as planned, bye.
People live outside your time zone, night capping to you is prime time for others.. It's that simple..
Obviously the rest of the world goes to sleep when OP does.
I thought that point was clear by now.3 -
Skyperess✭✭PrinceDamien wrote: »Flex_Mentallo wrote: »Thanks to all who shared their opinion here, we like totaly disagree, wishing everyone good luck in the game and lets all happily keep pretending nightcap and morningcap isn't an issue in Cyrodiil, all works as planned, bye.
People live outside your time zone, night capping to you is prime time for others.. It's that simple..
Obviously the rest of the world goes to sleep when OP does.
I thought that point was clear by now.
Omg, it's it's european server which prime time should be prime time here, american, australian, or which?
Any, but eu:)))0 -
PrinceDamien wrote: »Flex_Mentallo wrote: »Thanks to all who shared their opinion here, we like totaly disagree, wishing everyone good luck in the game and lets all happily keep pretending nightcap and morningcap isn't an issue in Cyrodiil, all works as planned, bye.
People live outside your time zone, night capping to you is prime time for others.. It's that simple..
Obviously the rest of the world goes to sleep when OP does.
I thought that point was clear by now.
I wanted to kick the dead horse too!
But seriously I just now went and read all four pages and see I was stating the redundant part. :-00 -
Skyperess✭✭There isn't a capping issue in cyro, european servers is for everyone but europeans, it's an open world, yes, all come please, when europeans are sleeping, and now it's really time for me to shut up, so you can all read my posts and make fun of me, go ahead, I couldn't care less.And I mean it, cappers don't impress me neither do all of you defending them.0
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Aerenthir✭✭✭I really don't see a problem with the night/morning capping. At this time most of us don't actually play since we're asleep so it has little to no meaning.
It also doesn't matter at all which faction wins or not. Rewards aren't even worth mentioning. The only thing you get good from there and Transmutes, but you get them anyway.0 -
PrinceDamien✭✭✭✭And there are europeans playing on the US server as well.
Just because a server is labeled something doesn't mean it's exlusive to people living in that part of the world.
It's simply a guideline so people know where they can find more than not people within the same region they are so they know there will be players online when they are.2 -
Skyperess✭✭Who cares, defend night and morning capers, you'll get a thank you notes from them I guess, or some ap maybe, or a clap on the back, and capers are europeans mostly, so this argument goes down the drain.Have it your way. Should I press awesome icon or an insightful maybe?0
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Hymzir✭✭✭✭✭
✭This thread is sucha garbage fire...
So many people defending morning caps using the tired old excuse of it being a global game and time zones being a thing.
LOL.
And so many people making spanning declarations based on solely how things are on their server in their campaign.
Firstly, this is a global game, but that does not equate to uniform distribution of players among all the time zones. So talking about other people playing while some others are sleeping is purposeful obfuscation of facts. On each server there are noticeable peak hours.
Second, things are not the same in all servers. Things are not the same in different campaigns in each server. So before stating things that exist in your servers as facts, first say what server you are talking about.
I play on EU PC server so I do not have the audacity to say anything about the other servers, beyond saying that I would not be surprised is PVDoor and morning/night caps occur on them too.
They most definitely happen on EU PC.
And they occur like clockwork. And have for years. YEARS! Every campaign ends the same - the faction that wins is the one that mornings caps the hardest.
PVP attracts certain type of player who wants to win, no matter what, and wants to win so bad that they do anything they can to improve their odds. So they morning cap to get the buffs, they morning cap to win the camping, and they defend things staying the way they are to retain their advantage. Fair fights is not what they are after, they just want to win, by any means and at any cost.
My solutions is to take away all the silly buffs. No more emp hp, no more scroll damage and def buffs. Let the emp be as it is, for the novelty of being one, but no more faction hp boost. Let the scrolls be the thing that has the biggest impact on winning the campaign. Doing this would take a lot away from the lure of PVDooring the whole map. You'd still get the lot that wants to win the campaign no matter what. but at least there wasn't that familiar uphill fight every day you log on to face e a faction that has more hp than you. takes less damage than you, and hits harder simply because they got those buffs when no one was defending. We got rid of former emp bonuses for similar reasons, and we no longer get the boosts outside of Cyro - remember when buff campaign were a thing? And how people suddenly logged on a dead campaign as soon as someone started to change it's uni-color status?
Just let PVP be PVP - we do it because it's fun, we don't need extra incentive of buffs do go looking for fights. There is no need to have the extra buffs *** thins up, the fights themselves are the reward for doing this ***.2 -
Joy_Division✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Imagine what this argument would be like if ZOS ever made Cyrodiil actually worth winning.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.4 -
Skyperess✭✭This thread is sucha garbage fire...
So many people defending morning caps using the tired old excuse of it being a global game and time zones being a thing.
LOL.
And so many people making spanning declarations based on solely how things are on their server in their campaign.
Firstly, this is a global game, but that does not equate to uniform distribution of players among all the time zones. So talking about other people playing while some others are sleeping is purposeful obfuscation of facts. On each server there are noticeable peak hours.
Second, things are not the same in all servers. Things are not the same in different campaigns in each server. So before stating things that exist in your servers as facts, first say what server you are talking about.
I play on EU PC server so I do not have the audacity to say anything about the other servers, beyond saying that I would not be surprised is PVDoor and morning/night caps occur on them too.
They most definitely happen on EU PC.
And they occur like clockwork. And have for years. YEARS! Every campaign ends the same - the faction that wins is the one that mornings caps the hardest.
PVP attracts certain type of player who wants to win, no matter what, and wants to win so bad that they do anything they can to improve their odds. So they morning cap to get the buffs, they morning cap to win the camping, and they defend things staying the way they are to retain their advantage. Fair fights is not what they are after, they just want to win, by any means and at any cost.
My solutions is to take away all the silly buffs. No more emp hp, no more scroll damage and def buffs. Let the emp be as it is, for the novelty of being one, but no more faction hp boost. Let the scrolls be the thing that has the biggest impact on winning the campaign. Doing this would take a lot away from the lure of PVDooring the whole map. You'd still get the lot that wants to win the campaign no matter what. but at least there wasn't that familiar uphill fight every day you log on to face e a faction that has more hp than you. takes less damage than you, and hits harder simply because they got those buffs when no one was defending. We got rid of former emp bonuses for similar reasons, and we no longer get the boosts outside of Cyro - remember when buff campaign were a thing? And how people suddenly logged on a dead campaign as soon as someone started to change it's uni-color status?
Just let PVP be PVP - we do it because it's fun, we don't need extra incentive of buffs do go looking for fights. There is no need to have the extra buffs *** thins up, the fights themselves are the reward for doing this ***.
Thank you very much for articulating what I clumsily tried to say, thank you.1 -
PrinceDamien✭✭✭✭If you just want to PvP for the fun of it then I don't see why you're so upset about night/morning-cappers really.
One doesn't have to win to be able to have fun in PvP, right?
Because it's the PvP itself that is the fun. And if people have capped a map during the night you got plenty of fun PvP to look foward to retaking what was lost.
It feels like you're too focused on a "problem" so you're blinding yourself from the things around you.
Try and relax and just enjoy the PvP aspect of Cyrodiil.
No reason to stress yourself over something as silly as pretty pixels and scores that in the end doesn't matter.
I have personally seen MMOs come and go and what did I have once it was gone? Nothing but memories.
So do you want to remember the game as something frustrating or something nice?
Only you can do something about that right now.
Do what you enjoy in the game and try not to get too hung up on something you personally can't do anything about.
It's just a waste of time and energy to stay upset over something like that.
In my opinion.
But you do what you wanna do ofc.
Everyone has the right to live as they choose.Edited by PrinceDamien on March 18, 2021 10:46PM1 -
Skyperess✭✭Read what Hymzir wrote, you obviosly didn't. All you guys do is talk about everything but caping, and as he has said you're using the tired old excuse, so what you're saying is just enjoy being zerged down, fight people with caping buffs and have fun:))), or go smallscale or take a resource.
It is nice but frustrating at the same time, read what he said , he put it together really well, but all you guys just ignore that and
if i'm blind, so are you.1 -
Skyperess✭✭It is a waste of time and energy, I just wanted to say what I think of it all, I hear dc players are tired of it, ad players are tired of it, what purpose does it serve then as to be a frustrating and annoying factor in the game that is othewise fun, so I said what I wanted to say, have read what the opposite side thinks and now I can enjoy the game, or leave or whatever as you say it's only pixels. Thing is many are complaining about it in the zone, but no one does anything about it, it's a given fact of this game, and it's wrong. And now lets just have fun, forget about alliances,forget about issues, they don't matter obviously.And that's exactly what zos wants and most of the player base it seems. Lets go craft, or decorating houses or pve, just don't talk about caping no more, leave things be as they are and enjoy.0
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Pattceht✭✭✭An imperfect solution would be to say give 100% points at primetime (cet 4/5pm-12pm) and decrease the points percentage through the night until say 5-8 when its 50% then increase point percentage until primetime again.1
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PrinceDamien✭✭✭✭well I did read what he wrote, as I was responding to his post. Henche the respond of "PvPing for fun" which he ended his post with.
And he is right that there are people who play to win and night/morning cap to do so.
But the other alliances could just as easily do the same if they wanted to, but they dont.
And it's not like the night/morning cappers are doing something illegal since it's all within the rules of the game.
It just boggles me that just because "we" don't nightcap others can't do it either.
I mean.. how is it fair to say what others can or can not do?
As long as it's within the games rules then what's the problem really?
People spending time of their life where "we" choose not to and somehow it's unfair to "us" that since "they" do something "they" get something from it where "we" who didn't do it don't?
Cyrodiil can never and will never be balanced. It's a brutal harsh 1v1v1 battlefield where people can come and go as they choose.
If people want a more structured PvP they should seek out the Battlegrounds as they do have more controlled rules and set number of teams/team mates.
And if Cyrodiil would lose all the buffs it gives from keeps and emp and such then what is there for the alliances to fight over?
The buffs acts like a carrot on a stick, driving the war forward.
If all there was to Cyrodiil was PvP and AP grinding then I'm sure a lot would rather just spam Battlegrounds as one can probably grind AP faster that way.1 -
Skyperess✭✭PrinceDamien wrote: »well I did read what he wrote, as I was responding to his post. Henche the respond of "PvPing for fun" which he ended his post with.
And he is right that there are people who play to win and night/morning cap to do so.
But the other alliances could just as easily do the same if they wanted to, but they dont.
And it's not like the night/morning cappers are doing something illegal since it's all within the rules of the game.
It just boggles me that just because "we" don't nightcap others can't do it either.
I mean.. how is it fair to say what others can or can not do?
As long as it's within the games rules then what's the problem really?
People spending time of their life where "we" choose not to and somehow it's unfair to "us" that since "they" do something "they" get something from it where "we" who didn't do it don't?
Cyrodiil can never and will never be balanced. It's a brutal harsh 1v1v1 battlefield where people can come and go as they choose.
If people want a more structured PvP they should seek out the Battlegrounds as they do have more controlled rules and set number of teams/team mates.
And if Cyrodiil would lose all the buffs it gives from keeps and emp and such then what is there for the alliances to fight over?
The buffs acts like a carrot on a stick, driving the war forward.
If all there was to Cyrodiil was PvP and AP grinding then I'm sure a lot would rather just spam Battlegrounds as one can probably grind AP faster that way.
I see your point, so basicaly buffs for no effort, and you have said these people are on their prime time, so they get every reward possible on their primetime and we get nothing on our primetime, ok, I see, and you forget there are ad and ep people on pop lock on our prime time, I still fail to see how is that balanced in terms of scoring, so if most of the dc players prime time is standard eu time, you propose to find some exotic land on their prime time to fight on european nights for blue, I get it, so buffs are the thing that keeps cyro going? Ok. It's a game with different rules for different time zone people, ok, global.So if you don't like pv door, leave cyro, go to battlegrounds, find dc on other servers to contra pv door, it will never be balanced, and it's ok so, I get it now, perfectly explained, be dc, be last and fight for glory and fun.How about fighting for score on equal terms, nope that wouldn't be fair to all global players, I understand.And they want to win, and we ofc don't we just wanna be there for fun and to fight uphill, I understand now, thx for the explanation.0 -
Indigogo✭✭✭✭✭Lolololol what a thread. I like how it turned into not so subtle shades of xenophobia.
Damn foreigners, pure EU only!1 -
Skyperess✭✭So lets conclude this in a productive way, I quit the game, because it's a pointless team play, why creating a team play in a pointless way is beyond me, I cared for the team, wrong focus. So it's not a rage quit, it's pointless quit, have fun pv doorers, good luck with your game, I'll find something more fun as this, thank you all for participating again, stay safe and well.
Bye.1 -
Indigogo✭✭✭✭✭No, it's you who misses the point, that it's a global game and there will always be people who play outside of prime time hours.
Sometimes that will suck. In my campaign right now, dc morning caps and then gates hard.
I don't cry about it like a baby, I fight my way back out.1
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