Night and morning cap in Cyrodiil

PrinceDamien

I wonder, if it is such a big problem.. Why don't people across all alliances do the same?
It's not like a certain alliance have a playerbase with a certain lifestyle different from the others that gives them that special advantage of being able to nightcap/morningcap.
Each alliance have a mix of all kinds of people with different life siruations which makes them able to login during different times of the day/night.

Don't complain about the alliances who do it. Look rather to the other Alliances and ask why they don't do it?
Surely there are players on all sides that can do the same.

This is not a game flaw or anything. It's just people who see an opportunity and takes it where others don't.
Want to stop it, make sure there are people willing to do so.

OneKhajiitCrimeWave

On my server I can confirm that the "morning cappers" are an all aussie and NZ group, playing in their prime time (when maintenance isn't scheduled during it) in the MAIN campaign. Why should they not do anything in PvP in the main campaign because there's less people on?

And for reference that is on an EU server.

Skyperess

PrinceDamien wrote: »

I wonder, if it is such a big problem.. Why don't people across all alliances do the same?
It's not like a certain alliance have a playerbase with a certain lifestyle different from the others that gives them that special advantage of being able to nightcap/morningcap.
Each alliance have a mix of all kinds of people with different life siruations which makes them able to login during different times of the day/night.

Don't complain about the alliances who do it. Look rather to the other Alliances and ask why they don't do it?
Surely there are players on all sides that can do the same.

This is not a game flaw or anything. It's just people who see an opportunity and takes it where others don't.
Want to stop it, make sure there are people willing to do so.

So fall into the same nightcap trap they all do, no thanks.

PrinceDamien

Skyperess wrote: »

So fall into the same nightcap trap they all do, no thanks.

Everyone alliance are equal in what they choose to do and not.
If people aren't willing to do something they shouldn't complain when others do it.

Skyperess

Skyperess wrote: »

PrinceDamien wrote: »

I wonder, if it is such a big problem.. Why don't people across all alliances do the same?
It's not like a certain alliance have a playerbase with a certain lifestyle different from the others that gives them that special advantage of being able to nightcap/morningcap.
Each alliance have a mix of all kinds of people with different life siruations which makes them able to login during different times of the day/night.

Don't complain about the alliances who do it. Look rather to the other Alliances and ask why they don't do it?
Surely there are players on all sides that can do the same.

This is not a game flaw or anything. It's just people who see an opportunity and takes it where others don't.
Want to stop it, make sure there are people willing to do so.

So fall into the same nightcap trap they all do, no thanks.

Opportunity, lol, noone ever heard of fair play, they all seek loopholes with no actual fights, but as we have learned by now it's a pve zone with pvp addition it seems, so night and morning cap is thus justified and correct in accoroding with eso rules, I mean no rules. Noone will ever convince me it's a good system, regardles what those who benefit from it say.

Ranger209

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

I love how people fail to grasp that an international game, which has only an NA and an EU server can't technically have a "prime time" as that would be different for each player depending on where they are in the world.

No one fails to grasp this, totally understand the concept. What I do fail to grasp is why they all pile onto one faction, and turn a PvP zone into a virtual PvE zone. Why don't they spread among all 3 factions and actually have some PvP? This I fail to grasp

For example, if you have players on your server who are in Sydney, Australia (UTC+11) then their prime time would be around 08:00 UTC (morning). Does that mean they shouldn't be able to PvP because that doesn't fit in with your schedule?

If they are all piled onto one faction who are they PvPing against?

And making a campaign just for them? why? It's an INTERNATIONAL game, and if players in time zones opposite to my own want to play in the main/most populated campaign who are we to say no.

I say this as a DC player who has commonly been on the end of being steamrolled Xv1 by an early morning (my time) Aussie crew.

PrinceDamien

Skyperess wrote: »

Opportunity, lol, noone ever heard of fair play, they all seek loopholes with no actual fights, but as we have learned by now it's a pve zone with pvp addition it seems, so night and morning cap is thus justified and correct in accoroding with eso rules, I mean no rules. Noone will ever convince me it's a good system, regardles what those who benefit from it say.

Well here's the good news then; You don't have to think it's a good system.
Can't satisfy everyone sadly.
It is as it is so that everyone, no matter timezone will have access to the content the game offers.
So complain as much as you'd like. I doubt we'll see it change anytime soon.
Maybe if you're lucky they'll add a campaign which has set times when it's open so that it's only open during daytime.
But that is really the only thing I can see that they would do if anything.

OneKhajiitCrimeWave

So you don't group up with friends Ranger? That's essentially what you're saying by putting that you don't comprehend why they all go to 1 faction in a FACTION LOCKED CAMPAIGN.

Skyperess

PrinceDamien wrote: »

Skyperess wrote: »

Opportunity, lol, noone ever heard of fair play, they all seek loopholes with no actual fights, but as we have learned by now it's a pve zone with pvp addition it seems, so night and morning cap is thus justified and correct in accoroding with eso rules, I mean no rules. Noone will ever convince me it's a good system, regardles what those who benefit from it say.

Well here's the good news then; You don't have to think it's a good system.
Can't satisfy everyone sadly.
It is as it is so that everyone, no matter timezone will have access to the content the game offers.
So complain as much as you'd like. I doubt we'll see it change anytime soon.
Maybe if you're lucky they'll add a campaign which has set times when it's open so that it's only open during daytime.
But that is really the only thing I can see that they would do if anything.

I think they will do nothing, because by the posts here I see, most agree, those from usa wiping the map, everyone that isn't on standard eu prime time seems to be pleased with it , so it's take it or leave, let the opportunists win and lets throw fair play and pvp out the window, it only gets in the way to the real purpose of cyro, the caping:)
Btw, a guy above posted a real smart solution to this, changing the scoring system accordin to population.
But ofc that wouldn't work either , coz too many people want it the way it is, heroing around on emp buffs feeling all high and mighty. Long live night and morning cap, that's what it's all about. Cheers.

OneKhajiitCrimeWave

Skyperess wrote: »

PrinceDamien wrote: »

Skyperess wrote: »

Opportunity, lol, noone ever heard of fair play, they all seek loopholes with no actual fights, but as we have learned by now it's a pve zone with pvp addition it seems, so night and morning cap is thus justified and correct in accoroding with eso rules, I mean no rules. Noone will ever convince me it's a good system, regardles what those who benefit from it say.

Well here's the good news then; You don't have to think it's a good system.
Can't satisfy everyone sadly.
It is as it is so that everyone, no matter timezone will have access to the content the game offers.
So complain as much as you'd like. I doubt we'll see it change anytime soon.
Maybe if you're lucky they'll add a campaign which has set times when it's open so that it's only open during daytime.
But that is really the only thing I can see that they would do if anything.

I think they will do nothing, because by the posts here I see, most agree, those from usa wiping the map, everyone that isn't on standard eu prime time seems to be pleased with it , so it's take it or leave, let the opportunists win and lets throw fair play and pvp out the window, it only gets in the way to the real purpose of cyro, the caping:)
Btw, a guy above posted a real smart solution to this, changing the scoring system accordin to population.
But ofc that wouldn't work either , coz too many people want it the way it is, heroing around on emp buffs feeling all high and mighty. Long live night and morning cap, that's what it's all about. Cheers.

OH FFS This is going around in circles. THIS IS NOT A FAIR PLAY ISSUE!

It's a fair access issue, which you seem determined to have everyone not on your specific little bit of this polluted ball of rock have less access/options than you.

Ranger209

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

So you don't group up with friends Ranger? That's essentially what you're saying by putting that you don't comprehend why they all go to 1 faction in a FACTION LOCKED CAMPAIGN.

You ever play Madden football with friends? Do you always play with them on the same team or do you sometimes play against them on another team? Chess, checkers, Monopoly, are you on the same team or are you having a friendly competition among your friends. Pick up basketball, do you ever have friends on other teams you play against, or do you have to wait until you find some people from across town you don't like to actually play a game. It's a BS excuse. There are other motivations for doing this so illuminate me. Tell me the truth.

Skyperess

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

Skyperess wrote: »

PrinceDamien wrote: »

Skyperess wrote: »

Opportunity, lol, noone ever heard of fair play, they all seek loopholes with no actual fights, but as we have learned by now it's a pve zone with pvp addition it seems, so night and morning cap is thus justified and correct in accoroding with eso rules, I mean no rules. Noone will ever convince me it's a good system, regardles what those who benefit from it say.

Well here's the good news then; You don't have to think it's a good system.
Can't satisfy everyone sadly.
It is as it is so that everyone, no matter timezone will have access to the content the game offers.
So complain as much as you'd like. I doubt we'll see it change anytime soon.
Maybe if you're lucky they'll add a campaign which has set times when it's open so that it's only open during daytime.
But that is really the only thing I can see that they would do if anything.

I think they will do nothing, because by the posts here I see, most agree, those from usa wiping the map, everyone that isn't on standard eu prime time seems to be pleased with it , so it's take it or leave, let the opportunists win and lets throw fair play and pvp out the window, it only gets in the way to the real purpose of cyro, the caping:)
Btw, a guy above posted a real smart solution to this, changing the scoring system accordin to population.
But ofc that wouldn't work either , coz too many people want it the way it is, heroing around on emp buffs feeling all high and mighty. Long live night and morning cap, that's what it's all about. Cheers.

OH FFS This is going around in circles. THIS IS NOT A FAIR PLAY ISSUE!

It's a fair access issue, which you seem determined to have everyone not on your specific little bit of this polluted ball of rock have less access/options than you.

oh, please, just take a minute now and check cyro map, lol, and it's the result of morning cap, so if my opinion doesn't fit into your caping schedule i apologize.

OneKhajiitCrimeWave

Skyperess wrote: »

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

Skyperess wrote: »

PrinceDamien wrote: »

Skyperess wrote: »

Opportunity, lol, noone ever heard of fair play, they all seek loopholes with no actual fights, but as we have learned by now it's a pve zone with pvp addition it seems, so night and morning cap is thus justified and correct in accoroding with eso rules, I mean no rules. Noone will ever convince me it's a good system, regardles what those who benefit from it say.

Well here's the good news then; You don't have to think it's a good system.
Can't satisfy everyone sadly.
It is as it is so that everyone, no matter timezone will have access to the content the game offers.
So complain as much as you'd like. I doubt we'll see it change anytime soon.
Maybe if you're lucky they'll add a campaign which has set times when it's open so that it's only open during daytime.
But that is really the only thing I can see that they would do if anything.

I think they will do nothing, because by the posts here I see, most agree, those from usa wiping the map, everyone that isn't on standard eu prime time seems to be pleased with it , so it's take it or leave, let the opportunists win and lets throw fair play and pvp out the window, it only gets in the way to the real purpose of cyro, the caping:)
Btw, a guy above posted a real smart solution to this, changing the scoring system accordin to population.
But ofc that wouldn't work either , coz too many people want it the way it is, heroing around on emp buffs feeling all high and mighty. Long live night and morning cap, that's what it's all about. Cheers.

OH FFS This is going around in circles. THIS IS NOT A FAIR PLAY ISSUE!

It's a fair access issue, which you seem determined to have everyone not on your specific little bit of this polluted ball of rock have less access/options than you.

oh, please, just take a minute now and check cyro map, lol, and it's the result of morning cap, so if my opinion doesn't fit into your caping schedule i apologize.

"Oh no, some other people in another part of the world can't respect my sleep and work schedule. How dare they."

Here's some steps to resolve your issue:

Step 1: Remove Thy Head From Thy Rectum and realise that not everything in this world has to be focused around you
Step 2: profit

Skyperess

Skyperess wrote: »

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

Skyperess wrote: »

PrinceDamien wrote: »

Skyperess wrote: »

Opportunity, lol, noone ever heard of fair play, they all seek loopholes with no actual fights, but as we have learned by now it's a pve zone with pvp addition it seems, so night and morning cap is thus justified and correct in accoroding with eso rules, I mean no rules. Noone will ever convince me it's a good system, regardles what those who benefit from it say.

Well here's the good news then; You don't have to think it's a good system.
Can't satisfy everyone sadly.
It is as it is so that everyone, no matter timezone will have access to the content the game offers.
So complain as much as you'd like. I doubt we'll see it change anytime soon.
Maybe if you're lucky they'll add a campaign which has set times when it's open so that it's only open during daytime.
But that is really the only thing I can see that they would do if anything.

I think they will do nothing, because by the posts here I see, most agree, those from usa wiping the map, everyone that isn't on standard eu prime time seems to be pleased with it , so it's take it or leave, let the opportunists win and lets throw fair play and pvp out the window, it only gets in the way to the real purpose of cyro, the caping:)
Btw, a guy above posted a real smart solution to this, changing the scoring system accordin to population.
But ofc that wouldn't work either , coz too many people want it the way it is, heroing around on emp buffs feeling all high and mighty. Long live night and morning cap, that's what it's all about. Cheers.

OH FFS This is going around in circles. THIS IS NOT A FAIR PLAY ISSUE!

It's a fair access issue, which you seem determined to have everyone not on your specific little bit of this polluted ball of rock have less access/options than you.

oh, please, just take a minute now and check cyro map, lol, and it's the result of morning cap, so if my opinion doesn't fit into your caping schedule i apologize.

So basicaly, if you are a dc prime time player, what do you get, 3 keeps empty temples and ad on all possible buffs defending what the caped on pop lock, yes, ideal, world access or not, should be equal system for all players, period, so by your definition, dc is supposed to be last because working people can't play 24/7 like those with no obligations can, end of the debate, it's unjust unfair to a segment of players, and my [snip] here , there should be equal rights, end of story, if you agree or not.

[edited for profanity]

PrinceDamien

Skyperess wrote: »

oh, please, just take a minute now and check cyro map, lol, and it's the result of morning cap, so if my opinion doesn't fit into your caping schedule i apologize.

But it really isn't a problem about fair gameplay.
All factions have the same fair choice to cap at nights or mornings if they want to.
It's not unfair that a faction or two take that opportunity and the other faction or factions doesn't.
just because there aren't enough people on a faction willing to do it doesn't mean that they are unfairly treated.
It's all fair game wether or not people take the opportunity or not.
If people choose not do they can't complain when they fall behind.

wazzz56

what I have taken from all of this is either y'all care way too much about campaign score, or I care too little lmao..good thing the game is catered to both categories...just play the game you want to play....my only advice..if you zerg ..zerg on..if you gank...take some hairlines my friend..if you pvdoor....you be the best pvdoorer you can be..... solo/small group players....kite them rocks, hug them trees , farm that tower....and all of you enjoy the next few months of procless paradise!!

Skyperess

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

Skyperess wrote: »

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

Skyperess wrote: »

PrinceDamien wrote: »

Skyperess wrote: »

Opportunity, lol, noone ever heard of fair play, they all seek loopholes with no actual fights, but as we have learned by now it's a pve zone with pvp addition it seems, so night and morning cap is thus justified and correct in accoroding with eso rules, I mean no rules. Noone will ever convince me it's a good system, regardles what those who benefit from it say.

Well here's the good news then; You don't have to think it's a good system.
Can't satisfy everyone sadly.
It is as it is so that everyone, no matter timezone will have access to the content the game offers.
So complain as much as you'd like. I doubt we'll see it change anytime soon.
Maybe if you're lucky they'll add a campaign which has set times when it's open so that it's only open during daytime.
But that is really the only thing I can see that they would do if anything.

I think they will do nothing, because by the posts here I see, most agree, those from usa wiping the map, everyone that isn't on standard eu prime time seems to be pleased with it , so it's take it or leave, let the opportunists win and lets throw fair play and pvp out the window, it only gets in the way to the real purpose of cyro, the caping:)
Btw, a guy above posted a real smart solution to this, changing the scoring system accordin to population.
But ofc that wouldn't work either , coz too many people want it the way it is, heroing around on emp buffs feeling all high and mighty. Long live night and morning cap, that's what it's all about. Cheers.

OH FFS This is going around in circles. THIS IS NOT A FAIR PLAY ISSUE!

It's a fair access issue, which you seem determined to have everyone not on your specific little bit of this polluted ball of rock have less access/options than you.

oh, please, just take a minute now and check cyro map, lol, and it's the result of morning cap, so if my opinion doesn't fit into your caping schedule i apologize.

"Oh no, some other people in another part of the world can't respect my sleep and work schedule. How dare they."

Here's some steps to resolve your issue:

Step 1: Remove Thy Head From Thy Rectum and realise that not everything in this world has to be focused around you
Step 2: profit

Ok, last reply, we are both members of this game, right, I want to be treated equaly, not cheated around, do you understand?
I think not. It obviously suits you and it doesn't suit me.Every game has rules which apply to every participant equaly, only this one not.It's biased, and it's not right and I don't agree. I chose dc by chance, so if life gives you lemons, just take it. That goes for life, yes but not for a game. I'm just exposing myself, go read dc chat sometimes, you think i'm the only one that thinks so?
Well, you are wrong, and please apply step no 1 to yourself, it's not only your interest in this game that matters.

OneKhajiitCrimeWave

Skyperess wrote: »

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

Skyperess wrote: »

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

Skyperess wrote: »

PrinceDamien wrote: »

Skyperess wrote: »

Opportunity, lol, noone ever heard of fair play, they all seek loopholes with no actual fights, but as we have learned by now it's a pve zone with pvp addition it seems, so night and morning cap is thus justified and correct in accoroding with eso rules, I mean no rules. Noone will ever convince me it's a good system, regardles what those who benefit from it say.

Well here's the good news then; You don't have to think it's a good system.
Can't satisfy everyone sadly.
It is as it is so that everyone, no matter timezone will have access to the content the game offers.
So complain as much as you'd like. I doubt we'll see it change anytime soon.
Maybe if you're lucky they'll add a campaign which has set times when it's open so that it's only open during daytime.
But that is really the only thing I can see that they would do if anything.

I think they will do nothing, because by the posts here I see, most agree, those from usa wiping the map, everyone that isn't on standard eu prime time seems to be pleased with it , so it's take it or leave, let the opportunists win and lets throw fair play and pvp out the window, it only gets in the way to the real purpose of cyro, the caping:)
Btw, a guy above posted a real smart solution to this, changing the scoring system accordin to population.
But ofc that wouldn't work either , coz too many people want it the way it is, heroing around on emp buffs feeling all high and mighty. Long live night and morning cap, that's what it's all about. Cheers.

OH FFS This is going around in circles. THIS IS NOT A FAIR PLAY ISSUE!

It's a fair access issue, which you seem determined to have everyone not on your specific little bit of this polluted ball of rock have less access/options than you.

oh, please, just take a minute now and check cyro map, lol, and it's the result of morning cap, so if my opinion doesn't fit into your caping schedule i apologize.

"Oh no, some other people in another part of the world can't respect my sleep and work schedule. How dare they."

Here's some steps to resolve your issue:

Step 1: Remove Thy Head From Thy Rectum and realise that not everything in this world has to be focused around you
Step 2: profit

Ok, last reply, we are both members of this game, right, I want to be treated equaly, not cheated around, do you understand?
I think not. It obviously suits you and it doesn't suit me.Every game has rules which apply to every participant equaly, only this one not.It's biased, and it's not right and I don't agree. I chose dc by chance, so if life gives you lemons, just take it. That goes for life, yes but not for a game. I'm just exposing myself, go read dc chat sometimes, you think i'm the only one that thinks so?
Well, you are wrong, and please apply step no 1 to yourself, it's not only your interest in this game that matters.

I understand what you are saying, and I get that you feel that other people playing at times you're not online is what you consider being "cheated."

I care about the wider community of each alliance, be they players from Europe, the US, or anywhere else. You're essentially saying Cyrodiil should be locked outside of its main servers prime time, which is extremely selfish and self righteous. THAT is my issue with your argument.

If ZOS had made an Oceania server then you may have had a leg to stand on, but they didn't and you don't. The needs of ALL players concerns me more than the needs of 1

Skyperess

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

Skyperess wrote: »

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

Skyperess wrote: »

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

Skyperess wrote: »

PrinceDamien wrote: »

Skyperess wrote: »

Opportunity, lol, noone ever heard of fair play, they all seek loopholes with no actual fights, but as we have learned by now it's a pve zone with pvp addition it seems, so night and morning cap is thus justified and correct in accoroding with eso rules, I mean no rules. Noone will ever convince me it's a good system, regardles what those who benefit from it say.

Well here's the good news then; You don't have to think it's a good system.
Can't satisfy everyone sadly.
It is as it is so that everyone, no matter timezone will have access to the content the game offers.
So complain as much as you'd like. I doubt we'll see it change anytime soon.
Maybe if you're lucky they'll add a campaign which has set times when it's open so that it's only open during daytime.
But that is really the only thing I can see that they would do if anything.

I think they will do nothing, because by the posts here I see, most agree, those from usa wiping the map, everyone that isn't on standard eu prime time seems to be pleased with it , so it's take it or leave, let the opportunists win and lets throw fair play and pvp out the window, it only gets in the way to the real purpose of cyro, the caping:)
Btw, a guy above posted a real smart solution to this, changing the scoring system accordin to population.
But ofc that wouldn't work either , coz too many people want it the way it is, heroing around on emp buffs feeling all high and mighty. Long live night and morning cap, that's what it's all about. Cheers.

OH FFS This is going around in circles. THIS IS NOT A FAIR PLAY ISSUE!

It's a fair access issue, which you seem determined to have everyone not on your specific little bit of this polluted ball of rock have less access/options than you.

oh, please, just take a minute now and check cyro map, lol, and it's the result of morning cap, so if my opinion doesn't fit into your caping schedule i apologize.

"Oh no, some other people in another part of the world can't respect my sleep and work schedule. How dare they."

Here's some steps to resolve your issue:

Step 1: Remove Thy Head From Thy Rectum and realise that not everything in this world has to be focused around you
Step 2: profit

Ok, last reply, we are both members of this game, right, I want to be treated equaly, not cheated around, do you understand?
I think not. It obviously suits you and it doesn't suit me.Every game has rules which apply to every participant equaly, only this one not.It's biased, and it's not right and I don't agree. I chose dc by chance, so if life gives you lemons, just take it. That goes for life, yes but not for a game. I'm just exposing myself, go read dc chat sometimes, you think i'm the only one that thinks so?
Well, you are wrong, and please apply step no 1 to yourself, it's not only your interest in this game that matters.

I understand what you are saying, and I get that you feel that other people playing at times you're not online is what you consider being "cheated."

I care about the wider community of each alliance, be they players from Europe, the US, or anywhere else. You're essentially saying Cyrodiil should be locked outside of its main servers prime time, which is extremely selfish and self righteous. THAT is my issue with your argument.

If ZOS had made an Oceania server then you may have had a leg to stand on, but they didn't and you don't. The needs of ALL players concerns me more than the needs of 1

You misunderstood , change scoring system accordin to population online regardless when they play and where they are from.All players, not just your view or mine.

Folkb

I don't think you can "fix" this without screwing over some portion of your playerbase. Not with the way the map is setup at least.

The only siege system I've seen that helps the time issue is shadowbanes seige system but that was limited to guild vs guild.

Skyperess

Skyperess wrote: »

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

Skyperess wrote: »

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

Skyperess wrote: »

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

Skyperess wrote: »

PrinceDamien wrote: »

Skyperess wrote: »

Opportunity, lol, noone ever heard of fair play, they all seek loopholes with no actual fights, but as we have learned by now it's a pve zone with pvp addition it seems, so night and morning cap is thus justified and correct in accoroding with eso rules, I mean no rules. Noone will ever convince me it's a good system, regardles what those who benefit from it say.

Well here's the good news then; You don't have to think it's a good system.
Can't satisfy everyone sadly.
It is as it is so that everyone, no matter timezone will have access to the content the game offers.
So complain as much as you'd like. I doubt we'll see it change anytime soon.
Maybe if you're lucky they'll add a campaign which has set times when it's open so that it's only open during daytime.
But that is really the only thing I can see that they would do if anything.

I think they will do nothing, because by the posts here I see, most agree, those from usa wiping the map, everyone that isn't on standard eu prime time seems to be pleased with it , so it's take it or leave, let the opportunists win and lets throw fair play and pvp out the window, it only gets in the way to the real purpose of cyro, the caping:)
Btw, a guy above posted a real smart solution to this, changing the scoring system accordin to population.
But ofc that wouldn't work either , coz too many people want it the way it is, heroing around on emp buffs feeling all high and mighty. Long live night and morning cap, that's what it's all about. Cheers.

OH FFS This is going around in circles. THIS IS NOT A FAIR PLAY ISSUE!

It's a fair access issue, which you seem determined to have everyone not on your specific little bit of this polluted ball of rock have less access/options than you.

oh, please, just take a minute now and check cyro map, lol, and it's the result of morning cap, so if my opinion doesn't fit into your caping schedule i apologize.

"Oh no, some other people in another part of the world can't respect my sleep and work schedule. How dare they."

Here's some steps to resolve your issue:

Step 1: Remove Thy Head From Thy Rectum and realise that not everything in this world has to be focused around you
Step 2: profit

Ok, last reply, we are both members of this game, right, I want to be treated equaly, not cheated around, do you understand?
I think not. It obviously suits you and it doesn't suit me.Every game has rules which apply to every participant equaly, only this one not.It's biased, and it's not right and I don't agree. I chose dc by chance, so if life gives you lemons, just take it. That goes for life, yes but not for a game. I'm just exposing myself, go read dc chat sometimes, you think i'm the only one that thinks so?
Well, you are wrong, and please apply step no 1 to yourself, it's not only your interest in this game that matters.

I understand what you are saying, and I get that you feel that other people playing at times you're not online is what you consider being "cheated."

I care about the wider community of each alliance, be they players from Europe, the US, or anywhere else. You're essentially saying Cyrodiil should be locked outside of its main servers prime time, which is extremely selfish and self righteous. THAT is my issue with your argument.

If ZOS had made an Oceania server then you may have had a leg to stand on, but they didn't and you don't. The needs of ALL players concerns me more than the needs of 1

You misunderstood , change scoring system accordin to population online regardless when they play and where they are from.All players, not just your view or mine.

This is pointless, you are obvious a defendand of the system as it is because it suits you, it doesn't suit me, all the efforts put into this game goes to waste because people like you override it and justify it and abuse it. Americans on eu server, for what purpose really, tey have their own zone, but no, they want to come here to cap, lol, pointless, it's a waste of time and money, continue tp pv door and have fun.

SpacemanSpiff1

PrinceDamien wrote: »

But it really isn't a problem about fair gameplay.
All factions have the same fair choice to cap at nights or mornings if they want to.
It's not unfair that a faction or two take that opportunity and the other faction or factions doesn't.
just because there aren't enough people on a faction willing to do it doesn't mean that they are unfairly treated.
It's all fair game wether or not people take the opportunity or not.
If people choose not do they can't complain when they fall behind.

this^.

people play in many time zones and have different schedules. your play time shouldn't count more than others'.

Skyperess

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

PrinceDamien wrote: »

But it really isn't a problem about fair gameplay.
All factions have the same fair choice to cap at nights or mornings if they want to.
It's not unfair that a faction or two take that opportunity and the other faction or factions doesn't.
just because there aren't enough people on a faction willing to do it doesn't mean that they are unfairly treated.
It's all fair game wether or not people take the opportunity or not.
If people choose not do they can't complain when they fall behind.

this^.

people play in many time zones and have different schedules. your play time shouldn't count more than others'.

As yours shouldn't count for more as mine, we agree.

PrinceDamien

Skyperess wrote: »

SpacemanSpiff1 wrote: »

PrinceDamien wrote: »

But it really isn't a problem about fair gameplay.
All factions have the same fair choice to cap at nights or mornings if they want to.
It's not unfair that a faction or two take that opportunity and the other faction or factions doesn't.
just because there aren't enough people on a faction willing to do it doesn't mean that they are unfairly treated.
It's all fair game wether or not people take the opportunity or not.
If people choose not do they can't complain when they fall behind.

this^.

people play in many time zones and have different schedules. your play time shouldn't count more than others'.

As yours shouldn't count for more as mine, we agree.

Indeed, each and everyones play time is equal in worth.
And that is why Cyrodiil is open 24/7 so that everyone's game time is treated equally.
And with this we can end this debate. As we have now agreed on thjat everyones gameplay is equally worth.
We all agree and now we can move on happy.

The End

DreadDaedroth

So the problem to cap is only when you can't play

Skyperess

True, but people abuse this and go intentionaly when it's empty, ok, this is boring, we all know what the issue is, so lets stop pretending we don't. Lets conclude this debate with the knowledge, that Cyro is a pve zone, and those who cap are the real winners of this game.Lets zerg the empty map and win, so be it. You all agree it's a valid system and fair to all equaly.
And I will continue to believe the opposite of what you all so fiercefuly defend.

AlnilamE

Skyperess wrote: »

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

Skyperess wrote: »

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

Skyperess wrote: »

PrinceDamien wrote: »

Skyperess wrote: »

Opportunity, lol, noone ever heard of fair play, they all seek loopholes with no actual fights, but as we have learned by now it's a pve zone with pvp addition it seems, so night and morning cap is thus justified and correct in accoroding with eso rules, I mean no rules. Noone will ever convince me it's a good system, regardles what those who benefit from it say.

Well here's the good news then; You don't have to think it's a good system.
Can't satisfy everyone sadly.
It is as it is so that everyone, no matter timezone will have access to the content the game offers.
So complain as much as you'd like. I doubt we'll see it change anytime soon.
Maybe if you're lucky they'll add a campaign which has set times when it's open so that it's only open during daytime.
But that is really the only thing I can see that they would do if anything.

I think they will do nothing, because by the posts here I see, most agree, those from usa wiping the map, everyone that isn't on standard eu prime time seems to be pleased with it , so it's take it or leave, let the opportunists win and lets throw fair play and pvp out the window, it only gets in the way to the real purpose of cyro, the caping:)
Btw, a guy above posted a real smart solution to this, changing the scoring system accordin to population.
But ofc that wouldn't work either , coz too many people want it the way it is, heroing around on emp buffs feeling all high and mighty. Long live night and morning cap, that's what it's all about. Cheers.

OH FFS This is going around in circles. THIS IS NOT A FAIR PLAY ISSUE!

It's a fair access issue, which you seem determined to have everyone not on your specific little bit of this polluted ball of rock have less access/options than you.

oh, please, just take a minute now and check cyro map, lol, and it's the result of morning cap, so if my opinion doesn't fit into your caping schedule i apologize.

"Oh no, some other people in another part of the world can't respect my sleep and work schedule. How dare they."

Here's some steps to resolve your issue:

Step 1: Remove Thy Head From Thy Rectum and realise that not everything in this world has to be focused around you
Step 2: profit

Ok, last reply, we are both members of this game, right, I want to be treated equaly, not cheated around, do you understand?
I think not. It obviously suits you and it doesn't suit me.Every game has rules which apply to every participant equaly, only this one not.It's biased, and it's not right and I don't agree. I chose dc by chance, so if life gives you lemons, just take it. That goes for life, yes but not for a game. I'm just exposing myself, go read dc chat sometimes, you think i'm the only one that thinks so?
Well, you are wrong, and please apply step no 1 to yourself, it's not only your interest in this game that matters.

Which rule is not being applied to each participant equally?

Cyrodiil is open 24/7 and the population caps are the same for each alliance.

What exactly is unfair about this set up?

MasterSpatula

Any "fair" solution would involve a lot less telling people when they can't play the game and a whole lot more trying to spread out the faction population during off-peak times.

I may be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure there's a couple of PVP guilds on PCNA who swap their Grey Host faction every month to whatever faction came in third last month--for the simple reason that dominating is as boring as being dominated is frustrating. Maybe some PCEU guilds should adopt a similar strategy, particularly the ones who play at night.

Skyperess wrote: »

Noone will ever convince me

Yeah, you've made that abundantly clear.

SpacemanSpiff1

Skyperess wrote: »

True, but people abuse this and go intentionaly when it's empty, ok, this is boring, we all know what the issue is, so lets stop pretending we don't. Lets conclude this debate with the knowledge, that Cyro is a pve zone, and those who cap are the real winners of this game.Lets zerg the empty map and win, so be it. You all agree it's a valid system and fair to all equaly.
And I will continue to believe the opposite of what you all so fiercefuly defend.

it's not their fault there isn't opposition. other factions have the option of going in at that time too.

the solution to your "problem" is to log in at that time and fight them.

Skyperess

Ranger209 wrote: »

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

So you don't group up with friends Ranger? That's essentially what you're saying by putting that you don't comprehend why they all go to 1 faction in a FACTION LOCKED CAMPAIGN.

You ever play Madden football with friends? Do you always play with them on the same team or do you sometimes play against them on another team? Chess, checkers, Monopoly, are you on the same team or are you having a friendly competition among your friends. Pick up basketball, do you ever have friends on other teams you play against, or do you have to wait until you find some people from across town you don't like to actually play a game. It's a BS excuse. There are other motivations for doing this so illuminate me. Tell me the truth.

Thing is you play lets say soccer with 2 teams , each has 11 players, right?, You basicaly don't play with a team of 3 players against a team of eleven and call it fair, or do you maybe? That's my point.That's''s why I'm always saying every game has rules only this one not. You obviously think 11 against 3 is ok. Why there isn't more dc players at night I have no idea, the fact is, there isn't, and more log off due to ep zerging the map, I defended for months, what did I achieve? Nothing,only a lot of t bagging and making fun of me,but who cares..You say the game is open 24/7, dc are mostly standard eu prime time players, from lets say 17, till 23 or 24, they log off then. And ep arrives on 3 bars or pop lock, cool, they run us 3 defenders over, ok, lets watch what's happening, they take the whole map and log off. So we take back a few keeps, then ad arrives, full zerg, 5 am, takes the whole map, cool, now all is yellow and it stays so till 17 or 18 hrs. No way you can beat this. As team play it's lost in advance for years, and they say, ok, cool, lets just small scale and have fun. Then you spend hours fighting with ad on buffs to get maybe one scroll back, ok, we have one scroll, cool, and it's 23 hrs and the whole thing repeats itself, like months, years even, it's gone off the rails. So I wanted to know what people think. I got what I wanted, and now I'm repeating myself.
Different time zones campaigns or a different scoring system would put an end to this. It's killing pvp, promoting and rewarding pv door, so naturaly every opportunist grabs it. It actualy prevented me playing at nights, I got bored of being run over and t bagged. I still think cyro needs a different solution, but ok, I give up, it's pointless. And no, I will not join ad or ep because of this, zerging the empty map is not my thing, too boring. You got to actualy fight for keeps and scrolls, I think.
Wishing you good luck in the game, over and out, I've said the same thing about a hundred times not, lets give it a rest.