PvP test Results

Sgrug

Zer0oo wrote: »

I think it was a really bad idea to active cross-healing again on the same day they started the new test. Comparing performance will now be harder.

Except the Devs have already stated that cross healing was not the issue with performance. This continues to be a myth that needs to die. Cross healing was kept out to change behaviors NOT as a performance fix. They brought it back because it was a STRONG negative in the overall game experience when it was removed. That is what the Dev said themselves, paraphrased.

SOLDIER_1stClass

Nyladreas wrote: »

Now I'd like to see procs gone from BGs as well.

Honestly as much as I'd enjoy that I don't see it happening as the solution they will take.

At best they may create a no proc cyro and bg as an alternative.


Most likely we might see some nerfs come in.

But I doubt a lot.

This test was to analyze server stability. Not combat metrics.

If the outcry is large enough we might get another test down the road to adjust procs.

VaranisArano

Zer0oo wrote: »

I think it was a really bad idea to active cross-healing again on the same day they started the new test. Comparing performance will now be harder.

Hopefully, this statement by Wheeler eases your concerns. Bolded is mine for emphasis.

"When this test begins on February 15, we will also be reverting a prior test where abilities cast on allies were restricted to group targets only. This adjustment gave no appreciable gains towards performance improvements, so this restriction will be removed until further notice and abilities which target/can be triggered by players outside of your group will once again function as they do outside of Cyrodiil."
Source: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/561180/feb-15-cyrodiil-test-details/p1

I realize this disappoints a nunber of players who really like the group-only healing meta, but its time to put the "performance" excuse to bed.

GlorphNoldorin

I realize this disappoints a number of players who really like the group-only healing meta, but its time to put the "performance" excuse to bed.[/quote]

Given the history of the devs to be able to improve performance, do you really think what they say can be believed?

They do not have any idea how to improve performance.

The year of performance improvements .......a big lol

They are interested in improving player experience......... players- we hate proc sets, viper veldireth etc.....zos- brings back a worse proc meta 2 years later

Elektra

We had the biggest battle I've ever been in. It was DC/AD against EP. Siege was everywhere. Players were everywhere. It was Epic I had a total friggen blast. After the battle someone asked did anyone get booted and there were only a few yeses. There was some sticking/lag on my skills here and there, but overall it was a much better experience. It is hard to wrap your head - not around the proc sets, but around the calculation of every player that has them on in a relatively small space of a close Keep battle, that the computer has to do. Throw them out. The ones who are carried by procs will simply need to adjust and rethink not only what but how to put on the sets allowed. There are many ways to make urself "OP" if you just think. (squinting your eyes while thinking helps)
***UPDATE*** .......ohhhh, gosh. This past weekend was horrible. Bad. Really bad. It's like someone flipped a switch and EVERYONE was screaming about lag and getting kicked. My magplar's skills are super sticky and I look foolish trying to use skills lol. Not really sure what happened.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

So what sets are considered "Proc" sets?

Wolfpaw

Sun7dance wrote: »

Hey ZOS,

why are you waiting for another three weeks? The results are already clear! Just close the test and throw out all procc sets!

I'm curious how well xpacs/dlc's will sell (PvP players) w/o new sets hanging from a stick? Only so many combinations of non proc sets ZOS can come up with.

Rungar

Wolfpaw wrote: »

Sun7dance wrote: »

Hey ZOS,

why are you waiting for another three weeks? The results are already clear! Just close the test and throw out all procc sets!

I'm curious how well xpacs/dlc's will sell (PvP players) w/o new sets hanging from a stick? Only so many combinations of non proc sets ZOS can come up with.

zos will come out with 4 piece sets

VaranisArano

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

So what sets are considered "Proc" sets?

Pretty much every set, it turns out. The list of sets you can use in Cyrodiil is here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/561180/feb-15-cyrodiil-test-details/p1

nukk3r

PC EU Greyhost. Performance was horrible tonight. I played since 20:00 CET up until now, there's a delay on cast, potions are not going off, usual stuff. No ballgroups around, just faction stacks at frontline keeps. It's good to be able to kill more players again though. But new meta seems to be 6 DKs vs 1 you.

ccfeeling

Make a new server without proc sets for pvpers

Massacre_Wurm

ccfeeling wrote: »

Make a new server without proc sets for pvpers

There is like 400+ sets in ESO and only 18 or something is not proc sets )

LarsS

Cyro EU/PC gray host was great, havent been this good for years. We had a raid up of some 30 people and were in a number of huge fights on a locked server. Still skills went of as they should.

Goregrinder

Massacre_Wurm wrote: »

ccfeeling wrote: »

Make a new server without proc sets for pvpers

There is like 400+ sets in ESO and only 18 or something is not proc sets )

18 sets is still a lot of sets to choose from for builds compared to other MMORPG's that use vertical gear progression systems.

Pauls

Lag still there and actually loadscreens now even worse than before

nukk3r

phil.maricel08ub17_ESO wrote: »

nukk3r wrote: »

PC EU Greyhost. Performance was horrible tonight. I played since 20:00 CET up until now, there's a delay on cast, potions are not going off, usual stuff. No ballgroups around, just faction stacks at frontline keeps. It's good to be able to kill more players again though. But new meta seems to be 6 DKs vs 1 you.

LarsS wrote: »

Cyro EU/PC gray host was great, havent been this good for years. We had a raid up of some 30 people and were in a number of huge fights on a locked server. Still skills went of as they should.

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As a magden main, the only proc set I used was Ice Furnace. What an OP set, right?

phil.maricel08ub17_ESO

nukk3r wrote: »

phil.maricel08ub17_ESO wrote: »

nukk3r wrote: »

PC EU Greyhost. Performance was horrible tonight. I played since 20:00 CET up until now, there's a delay on cast, potions are not going off, usual stuff. No ballgroups around, just faction stacks at frontline keeps. It's good to be able to kill more players again though. But new meta seems to be 6 DKs vs 1 you.

LarsS wrote: »

Cyro EU/PC gray host was great, havent been this good for years. We had a raid up of some 30 people and were in a number of huge fights on a locked server. Still skills went of as they should.

[Quoted post was removed]

As a magden main, the only proc set I used was Ice Furnace. What an OP set, right?

Of course it's not OP,seriously its not, butmeet a condition, thus free damage equals server calculation. Four hundred plus sets that require calculations are whats making this game unplayable. Did that skill apply frost damage, did it not apply frost damage etc etc. Do I hate proc sets? Why yes, yes I do. It is nothing like watching a light attack/crit charge hero doing millions of damge at the touch of a single key. I know that some resorted to procs just to give themselves a chance..I got that. But procs themselves, coupled with malacath is toxic. There is no other way to look at it!

nukk3r

phil.maricel08ub17_ESO wrote: »

nukk3r wrote: »

phil.maricel08ub17_ESO wrote: »

nukk3r wrote: »

PC EU Greyhost. Performance was horrible tonight. I played since 20:00 CET up until now, there's a delay on cast, potions are not going off, usual stuff. No ballgroups around, just faction stacks at frontline keeps. It's good to be able to kill more players again though. But new meta seems to be 6 DKs vs 1 you.

LarsS wrote: »

Cyro EU/PC gray host was great, havent been this good for years. We had a raid up of some 30 people and were in a number of huge fights on a locked server. Still skills went of as they should.

[Quoted post was removed]

As a magden main, the only proc set I used was Ice Furnace. What an OP set, right?

Of course it's not OP,seriously its not, butmeet a condition, thus free damage equals server calculation. Four hundred plus sets that require calculations are whats making this game unplayable. Did that skill apply frost damage, did it not apply frost damage etc etc. Do I hate proc sets? Why yes, yes I do. It is nothing like watching a light attack/crit charge hero doing millions of damge at the touch of a single key. I know that some resorted to procs just to give themselves a chance..I got that. But procs themselves, coupled with malacath is toxic. There is no other way to look at it!

Dude, what's your problem? You're attacking me for no reason. I run Alfiq and Spinner now, I get a crappy performance, 400+ ping and a swarm of red DKs. Never used Malacath in my life. And suddenly I'm the culprit here. Go pester somebody else.

phil.maricel08ub17_ESO

nukk3r wrote: »

phil.maricel08ub17_ESO wrote: »

nukk3r wrote: »

phil.maricel08ub17_ESO wrote: »

nukk3r wrote: »

PC EU Greyhost. Performance was horrible tonight. I played since 20:00 CET up until now, there's a delay on cast, potions are not going off, usual stuff. No ballgroups around, just faction stacks at frontline keeps. It's good to be able to kill more players again though. But new meta seems to be 6 DKs vs 1 you.

LarsS wrote: »

Cyro EU/PC gray host was great, havent been this good for years. We had a raid up of some 30 people and were in a number of huge fights on a locked server. Still skills went of as they should.

[Quoted post was removed]

As a magden main, the only proc set I used was Ice Furnace. What an OP set, right?

Of course it's not OP,seriously its not, butmeet a condition, thus free damage equals server calculation. Four hundred plus sets that require calculations are whats making this game unplayable. Did that skill apply frost damage, did it not apply frost damage etc etc. Do I hate proc sets? Why yes, yes I do. It is nothing like watching a light attack/crit charge hero doing millions of damge at the touch of a single key. I know that some resorted to procs just to give themselves a chance..I got that. But procs themselves, coupled with malacath is toxic. There is no other way to look at it!

Dude, what's your problem? You're attacking me for no reason. I run Alfiq and Spinner now, I get a crappy performance, 400+ ping and a swarm of red DKs. Never used Malacath in my life. And suddenly I'm the culprit here. Go pester somebody else.

I have in NO way, shape, or form attacked you or blamed you in any post. If I had, Im sure it would be flagged as baiting already. So you and your agree/awesome fans, you guys do you As for me, I am going to enjoy these next three weeks playing Pvp the way it should be played . I'm done, toodles.

Lord_Draevan

My experience playing 10am-6pm EST today on PC/NA Gray Host server. Populations never dropped below 3 bars per faction.

The good:
- Lag is not as bad as usual, but still present
- Ball groups appear to be gone, thank Christ
- 1vX builds, while still present, are less common than usual, and those that are there are easier to kill. Not by a huge margin, but noticeably so

EDIT: Looks like ball groups are still a thing, they just weren't on yesterday.

The bad:
- A new Vamp build appears to be popping up where they can basically maintain mist form indefinitely. They don't do much damage, thankfully. Zone chat says it's some stage 1 Vamp Templar build, but I can't confirm it.

Fiktius

I was playing at Grey Host this evening at PC EU during prime time and it was very clear to me that server was not having easy time:

Especially at resource towers trying to hit a moving target with dizzy swing made me feel like cast time has been increased to 6 years. Lag was very apparent there.

After keep defense there was one moment when server seemed to struggle, everyone near me did move very slowly for a few seconds, like walking in mud. That luckily did not last too long tho.
(And no, it was not just me only, because my friend asked right after that was I experiencing that same lag too.)

But overall I can say that compared to what Cyrodiil used to be before this, I've had much more fun than I've had for very long time. Most of the times my skills actually did fire and I did not have this feel that I should whack my keyboard with a hammer in order to get skills to fire.

Also even I do enjoy Cyrodiil without proc sets, I hope that after these test weeks are over, developers can learn from results and adjust & do changes what ever is necessary for set calculations, without keeping majority of sets out of use for longer period of time.

Rin_Senya

idky ppl are so happy. Lag is WORSE than before. Zergs with cross heals are just melting the server.

zaria

VaranisArano wrote: »

Zer0oo wrote: »

I think it was a really bad idea to active cross-healing again on the same day they started the new test. Comparing performance will now be harder.

Hopefully, this statement by Wheeler eases your concerns. Bolded is mine for emphasis.

"When this test begins on February 15, we will also be reverting a prior test where abilities cast on allies were restricted to group targets only. This adjustment gave no appreciable gains towards performance improvements, so this restriction will be removed until further notice and abilities which target/can be triggered by players outside of your group will once again function as they do outside of Cyrodiil."
Source: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/561180/feb-15-cyrodiil-test-details/p1

I realize this disappoints a nunber of players who really like the group-only healing meta, but its time to put the "performance" excuse to bed.

The heal only in group was an nerf to pugs against organized groups. The 12 man groups was also an pug nerf as you would be less likely to pick up randoms.

Reverb

Zer0oo wrote: »

I think it was a really bad idea to active cross-healing again on the same day they started the new test. Comparing performance will now be harder.

They didn’t remove cross healing for performance. They acknowledged that the performance impact was negligible. They reduced group size and removed non-group healing to force behavioral changes, not performance, they were very clear about that.

So re-enabling it during testing shouldn’t be a problem for testing performance

erio

Some procs should be turned off, but some should be allowed.

Crash427

I doubt they reverted healing because of people complaining or because it didn't improve the lag. My money is on they didn't know how to fix synergies other than to revert the changes.

Really it's time we all face facts. Cyro will never work the way it is supposed to, or even as well as it did. Its a shame but it is what it is.

Nemeliom

Let us keep the game without proc sets!! PLS!!

regime211

Wing wrote: »

techyeshic wrote: »

Sgrug wrote: »

techyeshic wrote: »

I had to look as I see all this talk and Im doing writs thinking "How is this really tested. Nobody is on yet." Look and Gray Host is 2 out of 3 factions at least soft locked. lol

Not sure what you are implying. GreyHost is pretty much full, with 2 locks and high bars for AD, been like that all morning. Definitely enough playing to test things out.

I was saying I was surprised to look and see how full it was.

yeah and general chat has been super positive, everyone loves it, like pvp from 4+ years ago

Lol "everyone" man i see so much "cap" in this thread, not saying "You" didn't have a good experience but I literally watched a few streamers still dealing with the same poor performance and lag issues on PC NA. I for one would like to see procs tuned down, because if they were removed that would give zos a lot of work to do on making more sets which we would not see for DLC/expansions.

regime211

phil.maricel08ub17_ESO wrote: »

I haven't been in yet, but I would wager that those that love/carried by procs will more than likely come in and claim performance is just as bad or worse Who wants to take me up on that?

Or maybe they actually experienced worse performance. I can say " I bet those people will come in here saying that proc sets disable is making performance better" even if they experienced lag, both sides can lie.

Dragonmage4

I have to agree. I had to throw together a set last min (have some green stuff in there ) And found I could take down most. Never knew how mediocre my builds were... thought I just sucked...

Still do! but I try hard, and have fun doing it!