XP/CP formula in CP 2.0

Starlock

ErMurazor wrote: »

Since this is a totally new system our CP lvl should be based on our total XP earned. That is the fairest most correct way of doing the transition.

If it is true that they aren't doing this, I don't understand what the rationale is.

There are a few things I'm nervous about with the new CP system, and how they plan to treat XP progression is definitely one of them. Effectively erasing XP players have legitimately earned is not cool. Especially since there are XP boosters in the cash shop and that makes it quite literal stealing from anyone who used these.

lillybit

Starlock wrote: »

ErMurazor wrote: »

Since this is a totally new system our CP lvl should be based on our total XP earned. That is the fairest most correct way of doing the transition.

If it is true that they aren't doing this, I don't understand what the rationale is.

There are a few things I'm nervous about with the new CP system, and how they plan to treat XP progression is definitely one of them. Effectively erasing XP players have legitimately earned is not cool. Especially since there are XP boosters in the cash shop and that makes it quite literal stealing from anyone who used these.

It'll be the same argument for not upgrading our vMA weapons - we aren't having anything taken away so tough. Honestly, there's nothing to reward loyalty any more, so what if we've played (and subbed) 5+ years

stefj68

i feel new cp gonna be live cp wish they made the official announcement on that

Olupajmibanan

stefj68 wrote: »

i feel new cp gonna be live cp wish they made the official announcement on that

It has been officialy stated by ZoS that CP level stays the same. Here is the link to the statement - https://clips.twitch.tv/ClearLivelyTroutKappaRoss

stefj68

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

stefj68 wrote: »

i feel new cp gonna be live cp wish they made the official announcement on that

It has been officialy stated by ZoS that CP level stays the same. Here is the link to the statement - https://clips.twitch.tv/ClearLivelyTroutKappaRoss

yes but they stated for years that after 810cp it was costing quadruple to level up... i want real xp earned = real champions points in the new system...

example if i have 1010cp, 200 over the base that i pay 4x higher to get... i shoud get 810+800 = 1610cp in the new system

otherwise it will just be a kick in the ... for people that have been grinding for years the hard way, and a real give away for new players it would feel like a perfected maelstrom weapons screw all over again

ErMurazor

stefj68 wrote: »

Olupajmibanan wrote: »

stefj68 wrote: »

i feel new cp gonna be live cp wish they made the official announcement on that

It has been officialy stated by ZoS that CP level stays the same. Here is the link to the statement - https://clips.twitch.tv/ClearLivelyTroutKappaRoss

yes but they stated for years that after 810cp it was costing quadruple to level up... i want real xp earned = real champions points in the new system...

example if i have 1010cp, 200 over the base that i pay 4x higher to get... i shoud get 810+800 = 1610cp in the new system

otherwise it will just be a kick in the ... for people that have been grinding for years the hard way, and a real give away for new players it would feel like a perfected maelstrom weapons screw all over again

They are constantly catering for new players/casuals. Nothing for us long time vets that been supporting this game for years. They just give us the middle finger really.

Nord_Raseri

On live it takes over a million xp to get me to the next cp point. They really need to reduce that.

ErMurazor

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

On live it takes over a million xp to get me to the next cp point. They really need to reduce that.

Nope they arent, it will be very fast until 1200 cp then its like quadruple more for each cp. So everyone will be around 1200-1500 cp in the entire server

Artanisul

ErMurazor wrote: »

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

On live it takes over a million xp to get me to the next cp point. They really need to reduce that.

Nope they arent, it will be very fast until 1200 cp then its like quadruple more for each cp. So everyone will be around 1200-1500 cp in the entire server

Not everyone, just the people who dont grind like they are trying to get a raise at their job.

I feel bad for the PVP crowd, they have zero level playing field now. No way to have the mits and DPS and Healing capped out now. High CP will rule the field, with grinding being a very slow catch up mechanic.

ErMurazor

Artanisul wrote: »

ErMurazor wrote: »

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

On live it takes over a million xp to get me to the next cp point. They really need to reduce that.

Nope they arent, it will be very fast until 1200 cp then its like quadruple more for each cp. So everyone will be around 1200-1500 cp in the entire server

Not everyone, just the people who dont grind like they are trying to get a raise at their job.

I feel bad for the PVP crowd, they have zero level playing field now. No way to have the mits and DPS and Healing capped out now. High CP will rule the field, with grinding being a very slow catch up mechanic.

yeah, like less than 1% will be outside the 1200-1500 range.

PeacefulAnarchy

Formula is the same as before: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Champion
The new "cap" for xp is 1020
There is still a penalty past 1020 CP.

remosito

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

Formula is the same as before: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Champion
The new "cap" for xp is 1020
There is still a penalty past 1020 CP.

Is penalty still 1.5 post 1020?

Will have to plug it into a stylesheet and compare to old one to see how many cps is the difference.

PeacefulAnarchy

remosito wrote: »

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

Formula is the same as before: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Champion
The new "cap" for xp is 1020
There is still a penalty past 1020 CP.

Is penalty still 1.5 post 1020?

Will have to plug it into a stylesheet and compare to old one to see how many cps is the difference.

Yes, it's the exact same formula, same penalty, just cap in the formula changed from 810 to 1020.

remosito

So with new formula I would be 1366 CP instead of my current 1200..... that sucks


wondering if that 1020 is a typoed 1200....

MashmalloMan

PeacefulAnarchy wrote: »

Formula is the same as before: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Champion
The new "cap" for xp is 1020
There is still a penalty past 1020 CP.

Well this is garbage and worse than anyone thought.. Why the hell is there a penalty at all to earning experience.

PeacefulAnarchy

Yeah the low cap is disappointing but not too surprising, the penalty though doesn't make sense at all to me.

remosito

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uS2H-elnpVngKOMBqwl3LHytDHSOBwmDfDoQHHOtoh4/edit?usp=sharing


table up to cp3600 with old and new forumula
(added cp cap 1200 rows in case 1020 on PTS was a typo by ZOS)

Nordic__Knights

remosito wrote: »

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uS2H-elnpVngKOMBqwl3LHytDHSOBwmDfDoQHHOtoh4/edit?usp=sharing


table up to cp3600 with old and new forumula
(added cp cap 1200 rows in case 1020 on PTS was a typo by ZOS)

so by this system with old systems XP used id be 1609cp not 1420

i dont see that being game ending for ESO or NEW PLAYERS , but not doing so while still keeping me held back with 1.5xs BS add to need , but yet giving 1-1200 an big buff so that NEW players (FYI LOTS OF YOUR NEW PLAYERS ARE VETS THAT WANTED SOMETHING TO DO OTHER THEN STAY ON HOLD SO WE MADE OTHER ACCOUNTS ( I HAVE 17 OF THEM ) TO PLAY WITH ) can make up ( would be an good thing if VET PLAYERS WASNT GETTING THE SHAFT AT THE SAME TIME ) for years of not playing the game , I DONT KNOW IF IM WILLING TO TAKE THAT KIND OF SLAP TO THE FACE FOR PLAYING THIS GAME BUYING EACH UPDATE PRE ORDER SUBING ON TWO SOMETIMES 3 ACCOUNT OUT OF 17 I HAVE MYSELF ( NOT GOING TO ADD IN MY KIDS ACCOUNT HERE OR WE CAN +4 ON EVERYTHING LOL) ONLY TO BE TOLD THAT MY XP MEANS NOTHING TO THEM BUT MY BROKEN SYSTEMS # DOSE THATS SAD , IF IM NOT SEEN FOR THE xp I EARN GUESS ITS TIME TO STOP EANING IT

renne

If it's going to take this kind of XP to get to 3600CP... this is incredibly unpleasant.

I mean, you see WAY more people excited that they finally reached max level 810CP, ZoS, than complaining there's no progression afterwards. These kinds of XP requirements along the way make it absolutely out of reach of most people and that's incredibly demoralising.

Env_t

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PeacefulAnarchy

Env_t wrote: »

Patchnotes on PTS stated:


@ZOS_GinaBruno can you please clarify this? is this intended? How it must work?

after 3rd PTS patch, this is what we have:

LIVE CP



PTS CP


...... we will lose CP??!!!

Did you recently do a big XP boost? PTS is a copy of where you were about a month ago.

tmbrinks

With a change to the "soft cap" of 1020 in the formula. It is a reduction of XP needed to get to the same level of about 20-30% across the board.

That's a fairly hefty nerf on it's own.

(If it's supposed to be 1200 instead of 1020, it's a 44% nerf to reach the soft cap)

Just changing the soft cap results in a change of 1/3 to 1/2 in the amount of TOTAL XP that you need to get.

Also, 1020 may have been picked because that's where we'd be if hadn't paused CP gain by 30 each patch? Or at least close to there.

EDIT: Calculations Here

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Id7Cr5qUahO9TBpoxpgWsNGhUb7nfKNkxRJRxyqx-tA/edit#gid=621055259

zvavi

remosito wrote: »

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uS2H-elnpVngKOMBqwl3LHytDHSOBwmDfDoQHHOtoh4/edit?usp=sharing


table up to cp3600 with old and new forumula
(added cp cap 1200 rows in case 1020 on PTS was a typo by ZOS)

ty for the chart man, gonna use it.

ErMurazor

tmbrinks wrote: »

With a change to the "soft cap" of 1020 in the formula. It is a reduction of XP needed to get to the same level of about 20-30% across the board.

That's a fairly hefty nerf on it's own.

(If it's supposed to be 1200 instead of 1020, it's a 44% nerf to reach the soft cap)

Just changing the soft cap results in a change of 1/3 to 1/2 in the amount of TOTAL XP that you need to get.

Also, 1020 may have been picked because that's where we'd be if hadn't paused CP gain by 30 each patch? Or at least close to there.

EDIT: Calculations Here

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Id7Cr5qUahO9TBpoxpgWsNGhUb7nfKNkxRJRxyqx-tA/edit#gid=621055259

No u are correct. 1020 is the current softcap. I am at 1320 cp and i need 854837 xp for next CP on PTS.

ErMurazor

ApostateHobo

Geez they barely adjusted it at all. At this rate it's going to take most people years to get to a decent amount of cp.

Starlock

ApostateHobo wrote: »

Geez they barely adjusted it at all. At this rate it's going to take most people years to get to a decent amount of cp.

This is concerning, and probably intentional. We will know for certain it is intentional if it launches this way.

Potentially more concerning will be how expansions to the CP constellations play into this issue. If they keep adding constellations as suggested, the need for more and more CP may only intensify. Which also is perhaps very intentional - MMOs are designed to be addictive and to trap players in gameplay loops or "grind" as it is sometimes called. One of ESO's strengths is that it has NOT been excessive on that front; what we may be seeing is a reversing of that. That'll have some pretty significant implications for the game. Hmm.

LadyNalcarya

Starlock wrote: »

ApostateHobo wrote: »

Geez they barely adjusted it at all. At this rate it's going to take most people years to get to a decent amount of cp.

This is concerning, and probably intentional. We will know for certain it is intentional if it launches this way.

Potentially more concerning will be how expansions to the CP constellations play into this issue. If they keep adding constellations as suggested, the need for more and more CP may only intensify. Which also is perhaps very intentional - MMOs are designed to be addictive and to trap players in gameplay loops or "grind" as it is sometimes called. One of ESO's strengths is that it has NOT been excessive on that front; what we may be seeing is a reversing of that. That'll have some pretty significant implications for the game. Hmm.

If so, I don't think it's a good idea. There's much fancier grind simulators on the market, for example BDO. And not having to grind too much is one of the best things about ESO, there's a lot of players who can't play a lot so being able to do content without much grind is a plus.

exeeter702

Inb4 a new mega super percentage tier xp scroll is introduced and only obtainable from crown crates.

remosito

horizontal progression will be out of reach for a lot of people for years. really disappointing adjustment..