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No nord changes ?
AyaDark
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No nord changes again ?
May be some thing good to us ?
We are far from be top DPS race, some good tank utility may be ?
PVE block cost reduction, more HP, regens, sustain, anything ?
May be some thing good to us ?
We are far from be top DPS race, some good tank utility may be ?
PVE block cost reduction, more HP, regens, sustain, anything ?
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AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭No nord changes again ?
May be some thing good to us ?
We are far from be top DPS race, some good tank utility may be ?
PVE block cost reduction, more HP, regens, sustain, anything ?
Or 250 spd+250 wpd ?
Why altmer have +250 wpd, Altmers are stronger than nords ? So Nords hits like ladys and Altmers strike really hard with brute force ?3 -
Olupajmibanan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No nord changes again ?
May be some thing good to us ?
We are far from be top DPS race, some good tank utility may be ?
PVE block cost reduction, more HP, regens, sustain, anything ?
Or 250 spd+250 wpd ?
Why altmer have +250 wpd, Altmers are stronger than nords ? So Nords hits like ladys and Altmers strike really hard with brute force ?
Lore reasons won't work just like they didn't work back in time when they turnt magicka-heavy mage race such as Altmer into a durable stamina-generating fighter.
Don't forget that lead Lore designer left shortly after that change.Edited by Olupajmibanan on February 1, 2021 3:10PM3 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭Olupajmibanan wrote: »No nord changes again ?
May be some thing good to us ?
We are far from be top DPS race, some good tank utility may be ?
PVE block cost reduction, more HP, regens, sustain, anything ?
Or 250 spd+250 wpd ?
Why altmer have +250 wpd, Altmers are stronger than nords ? So Nords hits like ladys and Altmers strike really hard with brute force ?
Lore reasons won't work just like they didn't work back in time when they turnt magicka-heavy mage race such as Altmer into a durable stamina-generating fighter.
Don't forget that lead Lore designer left shortly after that change.
I really missing him.
Game was better that days.6 -
Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I could whine how my Altmer is not lore friendly because halfblooded Bretons have more magicka sustain than me.
This does not change that for an MMO, there must be decisions made.
You either have damage or you have sustain or you have tankiness or utility.
Nord has a lot of tankiness (the best) and utility and still some damage.
What more do you want or expect? Nord already is amongst the best races for pvp and for pve, still the best tanks.Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
My debut album on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Gleandra/videos6 -
Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Why would there be Nord changes, when they have finally balanced the race?
Id bet its still going to be the most popular tank race, yes it got some minor nerfs, good.7 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭I could whine how my Altmer is not lore friendly because halfblooded Bretons have more magicka sustain than me.
This does not change that for an MMO, there must be decisions made.
You either have damage or you have sustain or you have tankiness or utility.
Nord has a lot of tankiness (the best) and utility and still some damage.
What more do you want or expect? Nord already is amongst the best races for pvp and for pve, still the best tanks.
Very low values. In some topic people already showed that it is underperforming by calculations.0 -
ThePedge✭✭✭✭✭#1 Race for PvP and Tanks.
Same damage output as Bosmer, Imperials and potentially Redguard (can't remember their passives)
So I don't think it needs any changes.
They balanced the Armour it gets, still gets the most health and Stam, Ult regen and it's unique elemental resistance.
Pretty good I think.2 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭#1 Race for PvP and Tanks.
Same damage output as Bosmer, Imperials and potentially Redguard (can't remember their passives)
So I don't think it needs any changes.
They balanced the Armour it gets, still gets the most health and Stam, Ult regen and it's unique elemental resistance.
Pretty good I think.
Nords have less stamina, and less stamina sustain, so damage is always smaller.
Smaller than Bosmer, Imperial and etc.
Even Orc mage have more magica DPS output in compare to magical races, then nord do in compare to stamina races.
Bad sustain, bad dps parametrs.
To small def, to be best tank in compare of race sustain passives, that you write about.1 -
hakan✭✭✭✭✭They are one of the best wth are you talking about?
Their resistance got nerfed now thats it. 1k stam 1,5k hp 5 ultigen every 10second and 2600 resistance (that got nerfed in pts from 4000)0 -
Ascarl✭✭✭✭✭IMHO race balance is the poorest part of the patch.
While Nords needed some slight tone down, I think they should get some compensation by a non-tank stat.
Orcs however remain the only choice for optimised stam builds.
The bottom line races (Argonian, Bosmer, Khajiit) have been nerfed instead of buffed. This is wrong.2 -
thedoodle_90✭✭✭Nord and Argonian need work. They nerfed both of them yet they are already the most underperforming races dps wise.
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Ascarl✭✭✭✭✭
Argonians for sure, while Nords can use some utility besides tank, they are still best in slot for tanking. Argonian, like some other races, are BiS for nothing.thedoodle_90 wrote: »Nord and Argonian need work. They nerfed both of them yet they are already the most underperforming races dps wise.
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Olupajmibanan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭IMHO race balance is the poorest part of the patch.
While Nords needed some slight tone down, I think they should get some compensation by a non-tank stat.
Orcs however remain the only choice for optimised stam builds.
The bottom line races (Argonian, Bosmer, Khajiit) have been nerfed instead of buffed. This is wrong.
Explain to me how is orc remaining the go-to stamina race. It now has 1k stamina less than Dunmer and 1k health is no longer a thing since base hp got increased to 16k.0 -
hakan✭✭✭✭✭Olupajmibanan wrote: »IMHO race balance is the poorest part of the patch.
While Nords needed some slight tone down, I think they should get some compensation by a non-tank stat.
Orcs however remain the only choice for optimised stam builds.
The bottom line races (Argonian, Bosmer, Khajiit) have been nerfed instead of buffed. This is wrong.
Explain to me how is orc remaining the go-to stamina race. It now has 1k stamina less than Dunmer and 1k health is no longer a thing since base hp got increased to 16k.
Yep. Now we are the best!
You guys still have time to apply to be my Dunmer's pet.
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twing1_✭✭✭✭No nord changes again ?
May be some thing good to us ?
We are far from be top DPS race, some good tank utility may be ?
PVE block cost reduction, more HP, regens, sustain, anything ?
Nords already have ultigen and resistances, plus health and stamina... These are great tank utility passives, and regarded as the best racial for end game tanks.
When will you be satisfied? When Nords are BiS for all roles, tanks, dps, healers, and pvp?
Other races need buffs much more than Nords do.2 -
UntouchableHunter✭✭✭✭Nord don't need dos.
Just need the resistance back.
But if they wana nerf the resistance Nord could have some health recovery back or stamina and magic. Something to keep Nord as a GOOD option and not be "kind good" because is the only one.1 -
twing1_✭✭✭✭UntouchableHunter wrote: »Nord don't need dos.
Just need the resistance back.
But if they wana nerf the resistance Nord could have some health recovery back or stamina and magic. Something to keep Nord as a GOOD option and not be "kind good" because is the only one.
Nord is beyond a good option already.
It is the BEST option for tanking.
In your post you seem to ignore the ultimate generation that nord has, which is arguably its strongest Stat. This makes me think you are either purposefully ignoring it to help your "Nords are weak" case, or maybe you have simply forgotten that it is there or just don't know how powerful ultimate regeneration is for both tanking and PvP.Edited by twing1_ on February 1, 2021 10:07PM4 -
UtopianWarrior88✭✭✭thedoodle_90 wrote: »Nord and Argonian need work. They nerfed both of them yet they are already the most underperforming races dps wise.
Barely a nerf, 1k more stamina, 15 regen reduced, and change in diseased immunity... they're just not a DPS race.0 -
Wolfpaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@ZOS_BrianWheeler
I am looking forward to playing a magicka Orc, that said...
The difference in combat racial stats are a waste of time, & adding to balance problems.
Give ALL races the exact same combat stats, & lore friendly unique non combat racials.
Be done with this mess once and for all please.
Edited by Wolfpaw on February 1, 2021 11:12PM1 -
MashmalloMan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The amount of comments saying Nords are one of the worst stamina races dps wise is outstanding. Do we really need 10 races to be good at dps? They're not meant for that clearly if you see their passives as a whole it shows they're meant for utility/defensive builds.
They're in a pretty good place, just bump the 2600 to 2964 so it's on par with 2 pieces of armor/penetration from sets.PC Beta - 2200+ CP
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Stam Templar Dark Elf || Stam Warden Wood Elf || Stam DK Nord || Stam Necro Orc || Stam Blade Khajiit
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Wolfpaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭MashmalloMan wrote: »The amount of comments saying Nords are one of the worst stamina races dps wise is outstanding. Do we really need 10 races to be good at dps? They're not meant for that clearly if you see their passives as a whole it shows they're meant for utility/defensive builds.
They're in a pretty good place, just bump the 2600 to 2964 so it's on par with 2 pieces of armor/penetration from sets.
Agree, Nord is my favorite pvp support/healer race. I can't play elves..they remind me of triangle face.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ua_VOqwspaU
Edited by Wolfpaw on February 2, 2021 1:35AM0 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭MashmalloMan wrote: »The amount of comments saying Nords are one of the worst stamina races dps wise is outstanding. Do we really need 10 races to be good at dps? They're not meant for that clearly if you see their passives as a whole it shows they're meant for utility/defensive builds.
They're in a pretty good place, just bump the 2600 to 2964 so it's on par with 2 pieces of armor/penetration from sets.
Agree, Nord is my favorite pvp support/healer race. I can't play elves..they remind me of triangle face.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ua_VOqwspaU
I like elfs, elfs are OK, but my main character tank must be brutal man with a lot of good stats !
Even if i do not play it. I have elfs to play to
and play them 70+% time. 0 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭MashmalloMan wrote: »The amount of comments saying Nords are one of the worst stamina races dps wise is outstanding. Do we really need 10 races to be good at dps? They're not meant for that clearly if you see their passives as a whole it shows they're meant for utility/defensive builds.
They're in a pretty good place, just bump the 2600 to 2964 so it's on par with 2 pieces of armor/penetration from sets.
So other races have values like 5 armor ser and nord have like 2 , it is much less than others. We want have the same good bonus, like others do. That can be compared to 5 armor set bonus.
And not just random stats, but good stats, if nord can be good DD, than stats for tanking. Or make it gebrid, like DE, to be good stam mana dd and not best in tanking.
Now it is not the best option in all aspects, and worst DD1 -
twing1_✭✭✭✭MashmalloMan wrote: »The amount of comments saying Nords are one of the worst stamina races dps wise is outstanding. Do we really need 10 races to be good at dps? They're not meant for that clearly if you see their passives as a whole it shows they're meant for utility/defensive builds.
They're in a pretty good place, just bump the 2600 to 2964 so it's on par with 2 pieces of armor/penetration from sets.
So other races have values like 5 armor ser and nord have like 2 , it is much less than others. We want have the same good bonus, like others do. That can be compared to 5 armor set bonus.
And not just random stats, but good stats, if nord can be good DD, than stats for tanking. Or make it gebrid, like DE, to be good stam mana dd and not best in tanking.
Now it is not the best option in all aspects, and worst DD
Prior to the nerf nord had the most item set bonuses built into their racial skills.
1000 health = ~.83x 1206 health
1500 Stam = ~1.37x 1096 stam
3948 resistance = ~2.66x 1487 resistances
Total = 4.86x item set bonuses.
And that's not even including their ultimate generation.
Nords needed a tune down, they were far above the other races
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AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭MashmalloMan wrote: »The amount of comments saying Nords are one of the worst stamina races dps wise is outstanding. Do we really need 10 races to be good at dps? They're not meant for that clearly if you see their passives as a whole it shows they're meant for utility/defensive builds.
They're in a pretty good place, just bump the 2600 to 2964 so it's on par with 2 pieces of armor/penetration from sets.
So other races have values like 5 armor ser and nord have like 2 , it is much less than others. We want have the same good bonus, like others do. That can be compared to 5 armor set bonus.
And not just random stats, but good stats, if nord can be good DD, than stats for tanking. Or make it gebrid, like DE, to be good stam mana dd and not best in tanking.
Now it is not the best option in all aspects, and worst DD
Prior to the nerf nord had the most item set bonuses built into their racial skills.
1000 health = ~.83x 1206 health
1500 Stam = ~1.37x 1096 stam
3948 resistance = ~2.66x 1487 resistances
Total = 4.86x item set bonuses.
And that's not even including their ultimate generation.
Nords needed a tune down, they were far above the other races
Ok then:
Cutpurse
Increases your experience gain with the Medium Armor skill line by 15%. Increases your chance to successfully pickpocket by 5%.
Robustness III
Increases your Health Recovery by 100 and your Stamina and Magicka Recovery by 85.
from 3%.
Khajiit
Feline Ambush: Increased the Critical Damage and Healing Done from this passive to 12%, up from 10%.
Lunar Blessings: Increased the Max Health, Magicka, and Stamina granted from this passive to 915, up from 825.
Set gives:
129 Stamina /mana/health Recovery
As an example of 5p bonus:
(5 items) Increases your Critical Damage done by 6%. Increases your Critical Damage done by an additional 12% when attacking from Sneak or Invisibility.
So you get as 5 item bonus + critical healing all the time.
Kajiit have:
0.775 +0.659+0.659 > 2
0.759+0.835+0.835 > 2,4
4.4 + 5 items like set bonus.
Againstcurrent nord that you calculate with all his:
4.86 + little ult generate bonus.
It can not be even compared to old nord, now nords value us even less !!!
Now all nord have is like 4.2 + ultimate generate bonus that can not be even compared to 1/2 5 items set bonus.
And kajit have 4.4 + full 5> item set bonus.
It is to small for nords to have.
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twing1_✭✭✭✭MashmalloMan wrote: »The amount of comments saying Nords are one of the worst stamina races dps wise is outstanding. Do we really need 10 races to be good at dps? They're not meant for that clearly if you see their passives as a whole it shows they're meant for utility/defensive builds.
They're in a pretty good place, just bump the 2600 to 2964 so it's on par with 2 pieces of armor/penetration from sets.
So other races have values like 5 armor ser and nord have like 2 , it is much less than others. We want have the same good bonus, like others do. That can be compared to 5 armor set bonus.
And not just random stats, but good stats, if nord can be good DD, than stats for tanking. Or make it gebrid, like DE, to be good stam mana dd and not best in tanking.
Now it is not the best option in all aspects, and worst DD
Prior to the nerf nord had the most item set bonuses built into their racial skills.
1000 health = ~.83x 1206 health
1500 Stam = ~1.37x 1096 stam
3948 resistance = ~2.66x 1487 resistances
Total = 4.86x item set bonuses.
And that's not even including their ultimate generation.
Nords needed a tune down, they were far above the other races
Ok then:
Cutpurse
Increases your experience gain with the Medium Armor skill line by 15%. Increases your chance to successfully pickpocket by 5%.
Robustness III
Increases your Health Recovery by 100 and your Stamina and Magicka Recovery by 85.
from 3%.
Khajiit
Feline Ambush: Increased the Critical Damage and Healing Done from this passive to 12%, up from 10%.
Lunar Blessings: Increased the Max Health, Magicka, and Stamina granted from this passive to 915, up from 825.
Set gives:
129 Stamina /mana/health Recovery
As an example of 5p bonus:
(5 items) Increases your Critical Damage done by 6%. Increases your Critical Damage done by an additional 12% when attacking from Sneak or Invisibility.
So you get as 5 item bonus + critical healing all the time.
Kajiit have:
0.775 +0.659+0.659 > 2
0.759+0.835+0.835 > 2,4
4.4 + 5 items like set bonus.
Againstcurrent nord that you calculate with all his:
4.86 + little ult generate bonus.
It can not be even compared to old nord, now nords value us even less !!!
Now all nord have is like 4.2 + ultimate generate bonus that can not be even compared to 1/2 5 items set bonus.
And kajit have 4.4 + full 5> item set bonus.
It is to small for nords to have.
Hybrid stats in this game have always been calculated as lesser than single star bonuses. This can be evidenced by the difference in health, stamina, and Magicka glyph values vs prismatic glyphs values.
Health glyph = 954
Stam glyph = 868
Magicka glyph = 868
Prismatic glyph = 434 Magicka, 434 stamina, and 477 health
Prismatic glyphs grant exactly 1.5x as many resources as single Stat glyphs, and this is consistent with other hybrid star bonuses available as well, such as the stone keeper 1 pc item set bonus, which adds 548 Magicka, 548 stamina, and 603 health, vs the equivalent set bonuses of 1096 Magicka, 1096 stamina, and 1206 health. This again grants hybrid stats an extra half item set bonus in comparison to single Stat bonuses.
A similar observation can be made between tri Stat recovery glyphs for jewelry vs single Stat recovery glyphs for jewelry.
Assuming the values in other parts of the game are meant to stay consistent through racial skills, it makes sense for hybrid races to be slotted a higher value of set bonuses, and calculations should be adjusted accordingly.
A more direct comparison would be comparing nord to another non hybrid race, if you don't want to take into account the hybrid Stat differential.Edited by twing1_ on February 2, 2021 6:54AM1 -
AyaDark✭✭✭✭✭MashmalloMan wrote: »The amount of comments saying Nords are one of the worst stamina races dps wise is outstanding. Do we really need 10 races to be good at dps? They're not meant for that clearly if you see their passives as a whole it shows they're meant for utility/defensive builds.
They're in a pretty good place, just bump the 2600 to 2964 so it's on par with 2 pieces of armor/penetration from sets.
So other races have values like 5 armor ser and nord have like 2 , it is much less than others. We want have the same good bonus, like others do. That can be compared to 5 armor set bonus.
And not just random stats, but good stats, if nord can be good DD, than stats for tanking. Or make it gebrid, like DE, to be good stam mana dd and not best in tanking.
Now it is not the best option in all aspects, and worst DD
Prior to the nerf nord had the most item set bonuses built into their racial skills.
1000 health = ~.83x 1206 health
1500 Stam = ~1.37x 1096 stam
3948 resistance = ~2.66x 1487 resistances
Total = 4.86x item set bonuses.
And that's not even including their ultimate generation.
Nords needed a tune down, they were far above the other races
Ok then:
Cutpurse
Increases your experience gain with the Medium Armor skill line by 15%. Increases your chance to successfully pickpocket by 5%.
Robustness III
Increases your Health Recovery by 100 and your Stamina and Magicka Recovery by 85.
from 3%.
Khajiit
Feline Ambush: Increased the Critical Damage and Healing Done from this passive to 12%, up from 10%.
Lunar Blessings: Increased the Max Health, Magicka, and Stamina granted from this passive to 915, up from 825.
Set gives:
129 Stamina /mana/health Recovery
As an example of 5p bonus:
(5 items) Increases your Critical Damage done by 6%. Increases your Critical Damage done by an additional 12% when attacking from Sneak or Invisibility.
So you get as 5 item bonus + critical healing all the time.
Kajiit have:
0.775 +0.659+0.659 > 2
0.759+0.835+0.835 > 2,4
4.4 + 5 items like set bonus.
Againstcurrent nord that you calculate with all his:
4.86 + little ult generate bonus.
It can not be even compared to old nord, now nords value us even less !!!
Now all nord have is like 4.2 + ultimate generate bonus that can not be even compared to 1/2 5 items set bonus.
And kajit have 4.4 + full 5> item set bonus.
It is to small for nords to have.
Hybrid stats in this game have always been calculated as lesser than single star bonuses. This can be evidenced by the difference in health, stamina, and Magicka glyph values vs prismatic glyphs values.
Health glyph = 954
Stam glyph = 868
Magicka glyph = 868
Prismatic glyph = 434 Magicka, 434 stamina, and 477 health
Prismatic glyphs grant exactly 1.5x as many resources as single Stat glyphs, and this is consistent with other hybrid star bonuses available as well, such as the stone keeper 1 pc item set bonus, which adds 548 Magicka, 548 stamina, and 603 health, vs the equivalent set bonuses of 1096 Magicka, 1096 stamina, and 1206 health. This again grants hybrid stats an extra half item set bonus in comparison to single Stat bonuses.
A similar observation can be made between tri Stat recovery glyphs for jewelry vs single Stat recovery glyphs for jewelry.
Assuming the values in other parts of the game are meant to stay consistent through racial skills, it makes sense for hybrid races to be slotted a higher value of set bonuses, and calculations should be adjusted accordingly.
A more direct comparison would be comparing nord to another non hybrid race, if you don't want to take into account the hybrid Stat differential.
OK than give NORD gebrid stats !!!
Nord is the bottom DD.
As TANK, Hybrid race have better perfomance than nord do.
Tanks need both resources MP stam and HP.
So even Khajiit outperform Nord now.
Nord have 2500 resorces, Khajiit have 915*3=2745
Ultimate gen - vs Resource restore - not easy choise, but for not DK, resource restore is better.
12% healing and crit done against 2600 resists ?
Ok we have 245 less resources on nord, 12% more self healing from crits and 245 res or 2600 def ?
Not easy choise but i would take more healing from crits.
So Hybrid is compared with only tank race who can nothing more ?
Ok lets take stamina DPS race:
Redguard.
Not top DPS, but good DPS class.
Nord vs Redguard:
2000 stamina against 1500 stam and 1000 health.
So 500 stamina to 1000 hp.
With cost like 1096 stam to 1206 HP
15% snare reduce + 8% less cost of sword and shield abilitys against NORDS ult gen,
More sustain is much better even for tank DK. On other classes it can not be even compared.
Tank with full resists do not need cold res - even can not be looked like tank passive.
And + 2000 stamina per 10 seconds is god like ability for tank to get in block.
It can not be even compared do 2600 res.
Even with old 3960 it is not easy choise, but current Redguard is better for tank, like unique way to get stamina in block !
2600 def is a joke !
No one just will play nord, becouse:
Nord are bottom DPS.
Bottom healer.
And not best option for tanks.
It is just as with imperials before.
And i do not want change race each updait or stay on dead race !Edited by AyaDark on February 2, 2021 7:22AM1 -
Olupajmibanan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭@AyaDark
I believe Nord ultigen is still stronger than Imperial 6% ulticost reduction. It interacts with Decisive trait (which is the go-to trait on one-handers for tanks) and allows the tank to prepare horn +-3 seconds faster (not counting decisive procs) than Imperial. And in serious end-game content, the best tanking race = the one that can boost group dps the most.
Also Nord resistances are helpful to reach resistance cap and allows them to easily wear group dps boosting monster sets such as new Encratis Behemoth.Edited by Olupajmibanan on February 2, 2021 7:32AM1
