I see absolutely no reason to give an orc spell dmg and a high elf weapon dmg
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For an orc, 1000 stamina will be an indicator that you will choose stamina spec for him, the same applies especially to an altmer, because giving weapon dmg to a race that has 2000 magic and only is very stupid.
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Miloscpolski✭✭✭For double spell and weapon dmg we have a dunmer, and that's enough, enough to follow the lead of casuals, you start to spit on experienced players, give preference to casuals.
Edit: I get the impression that some ppl only play teso by reading lore books, and they think that if by lore the orcs were magicians, then in the game in passive skills the orcs will have magical passives...if you look at what the races gave and are given, you will see that your fabulous magic nords, redguards are not based on real passives of races.Edited by Miloscpolski on January 28, 2021 1:41AM7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭In the lore, Orcs have definitely been known to be Necromancers, a Magicka class. I view this as a nod in that direction.
Besides, what is the harm? It's not like Orcs are suddenly BiS for magDPS. Or High Elves for stamDPS.22 -
Miloscpolski✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »In the lore, Orcs have definitely been known to be Necromancers, a Magicka class. I view this as a nod in that direction.
Besides, what is the harm? It's not like Orcs are suddenly BiS for magDPS. Or High Elves for stamDPS.
then it was possible to make orcs magicians from the very beginning and not make such changes after 6 years1 -
biminirwb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Without stamina, magic classes are ded in pvp. Easiest way to kill a mag class is to cc them till they run out of stam then they melt.1 -
Animus-ESO✭✭✭✭✭Miloscpolski wrote: »
max stat almost has no effect on damage when it comes to stam builds. Besides, its not like no high elf in history has ever used a sword. Kinda dumb narrow minded view on eso lore you have. One of the greatest mages in elderscrolls history was a nord. Also redguards sunk and entire continent using magic so are you going to tell me they can't be a mage?Dude Where's My Guar?19 -
Miloscpolski✭✭✭Thrusts-His-Spear wrote: »Miloscpolski wrote: »
max stat almost has no effect on damage when it comes to stam builds. Besides, its not like no high elf in history has ever used a sword. Kinda dumb narrow minded view on eso lore you have. One of the greatest mages in elderscrolls history was a nord. Also redguards sunk and entire continent using magic so are you going to tell me they can't be a mage?
I get the impression that you only play teso by reading lore books, if you look at what the races gave and are given, you will see that your fabulous magic nords, redguards are not based on real passives of racesEdited by Miloscpolski on January 28, 2021 1:08AM4 -
Miloscpolski✭✭✭Thrusts-His-Spear wrote: »Miloscpolski wrote: »
max stat almost has no effect on damage when it comes to stam builds. Besides, its not like no high elf in history has ever used a sword. Kinda dumb narrow minded view on eso lore you have. One of the greatest mages in elderscrolls history was a nord. Also redguards sunk and entire continent using magic so are you going to tell me they can't be a mage?
the maximum stamina only gives an increase in damage, of course, if you run with a very small stamina and increase your weapon dmg, then the maximum stamina will give little, judging only by your build with low stamina is very stupid0 -
Animus-ESO✭✭✭✭✭Miloscpolski wrote: »Thrusts-His-Spear wrote: »Miloscpolski wrote: »
max stat almost has no effect on damage when it comes to stam builds. Besides, its not like no high elf in history has ever used a sword. Kinda dumb narrow minded view on eso lore you have. One of the greatest mages in elderscrolls history was a nord. Also redguards sunk and entire continent using magic so are you going to tell me they can't be a mage?
Then ask zos why since 2014 the Redguards have been only a stamina race,
I don't care about lore now, but only what happened and is happening with the races in the game
if you haven't noticed the new direction they are taking racials then I don't know what to tell you. They seem to be trying to make every race viable in mag and stam rolls giving unique differences between them. They gave argonians max stam and mag, Orcs get spell+weapon damage, high elves spell+weapon dmg, imperials get a 6% cost reduction to all abilities, wood elves get flat pen. only two races that seem roll defined are breton for mag and redguard for stam. I think eventually all races will have an advantage in some way (might not always be useful) in both mag and stam rollsDude Where's My Guar?5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭It’s strange to see Altmer become even more hybridized from a lore perspective (aren’t Bretons supposed to be more the spellsword type and Altmer pure casters?), but neither of these changes has any impact on game balance so I don’t care too much.12 -
Miloscpolski✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »It’s strange to see Altmer become even more hybridized from a lore perspective (aren’t Bretons supposed to be more the spellsword type and Altmer pure casters?), but neither of these changes has any impact on game balance so I don’t care too much.
Yes, It’s strange2 -
Miloscpolski✭✭✭Thrusts-His-Spear wrote: »Miloscpolski wrote: »Thrusts-His-Spear wrote: »Miloscpolski wrote: »
max stat almost has no effect on damage when it comes to stam builds. Besides, its not like no high elf in history has ever used a sword. Kinda dumb narrow minded view on eso lore you have. One of the greatest mages in elderscrolls history was a nord. Also redguards sunk and entire continent using magic so are you going to tell me they can't be a mage?
Then ask zos why since 2014 the Redguards have been only a stamina race,
I don't care about lore now, but only what happened and is happening with the races in the game
if you haven't noticed the new direction they are taking racials then I don't know what to tell you. They seem to be trying to make every race viable in mag and stam rolls giving unique differences between them. They gave argonians max stam and mag, Orcs get spell+weapon damage, high elves spell+weapon dmg, imperials get a 6% cost reduction to all abilities, wood elves get flat pen. only two races that seem roll defined are breton for mag and redguard for stam. I think eventually all races will have an advantage in some way (might not always be useful) in both mag and stam rolls
Don't you think that races will lose their uniqueness at such a rate? If everyone has both spd and wpd, then there will not be much uniqueness5 -
Animus-ESO✭✭✭✭✭Miloscpolski wrote: »Thrusts-His-Spear wrote: »Miloscpolski wrote: »Thrusts-His-Spear wrote: »Miloscpolski wrote: »
max stat almost has no effect on damage when it comes to stam builds. Besides, its not like no high elf in history has ever used a sword. Kinda dumb narrow minded view on eso lore you have. One of the greatest mages in elderscrolls history was a nord. Also redguards sunk and entire continent using magic so are you going to tell me they can't be a mage?
Then ask zos why since 2014 the Redguards have been only a stamina race,
I don't care about lore now, but only what happened and is happening with the races in the game
if you haven't noticed the new direction they are taking racials then I don't know what to tell you. They seem to be trying to make every race viable in mag and stam rolls giving unique differences between them. They gave argonians max stam and mag, Orcs get spell+weapon damage, high elves spell+weapon dmg, imperials get a 6% cost reduction to all abilities, wood elves get flat pen. only two races that seem roll defined are breton for mag and redguard for stam. I think eventually all races will have an advantage in some way (might not always be useful) in both mag and stam rolls
Don't you think that races will lose their uniqueness at such a rate? If everyone has both spd and wpd, then there will not be much uniqueness
no, orc has fantastic healing and runs faster , high elf has better sustain for its lowest stat and a damage reduction passive on channeled abilties like dizzy. both unique in my opinion
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Miloscpolski✭✭✭YandereGirlfriend wrote: »In the lore, Orcs have definitely been known to be Necromancers, a Magicka class. I view this as a nod in that direction.
Besides, what is the harm? It's not like Orcs are suddenly BiS for magDPS. Or High Elves for stamDPS.
Why do people think that if Orcs and Nords were magicians in lore, then in real passives in the game this will be demonstrated? For example, for a long time, the Dunmer had the last bonus of + 7% to fire damage, which in fact did and only a choice by the mage. Although by lore the Dunmer were both warriors and magicians in equal measure. So there is no need to cram lore and the current reality into the game in the passive skills of the races.0 -
VLVDIMYR✭✭Miloscpolski wrote: »Don't you think that races will lose their uniqueness at such a rate? If everyone has both spd and wpd, then there will not be much uniqueness
The other 2 passive lines for each race still exist.
Just because you're hybridizing the spell and weapon damage doesn't mean you're making every race the same.
Why be for arbitrary aesthetic limitations that literally don't affect the balance of the game?
Altmer and Orc are still different enough even though they both have access to spell and weapon damage.PC NA2 -
Miloscpolski✭✭✭Thrusts-His-Spear wrote: »Miloscpolski wrote: »Thrusts-His-Spear wrote: »Miloscpolski wrote: »Thrusts-His-Spear wrote: »Miloscpolski wrote: »
max stat almost has no effect on damage when it comes to stam builds. Besides, its not like no high elf in history has ever used a sword. Kinda dumb narrow minded view on eso lore you have. One of the greatest mages in elderscrolls history was a nord. Also redguards sunk and entire continent using magic so are you going to tell me they can't be a mage?
Then ask zos why since 2014 the Redguards have been only a stamina race,
I don't care about lore now, but only what happened and is happening with the races in the game
if you haven't noticed the new direction they are taking racials then I don't know what to tell you. They seem to be trying to make every race viable in mag and stam rolls giving unique differences between them. They gave argonians max stam and mag, Orcs get spell+weapon damage, high elves spell+weapon dmg, imperials get a 6% cost reduction to all abilities, wood elves get flat pen. only two races that seem roll defined are breton for mag and redguard for stam. I think eventually all races will have an advantage in some way (might not always be useful) in both mag and stam rolls
Don't you think that races will lose their uniqueness at such a rate? If everyone has both spd and wpd, then there will not be much uniqueness
no, orc has fantastic healing and runs faster , high elf has better sustain for its lowest stat and a damage reduction passive on channeled abilties like dizzy. both unique in my opinion
You are talking about the remaining unique abilities of the races.0 -
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✭✭biminirwb17_ESO wrote: »Without stamina, magic classes are ded in pvp. Easiest way to kill a mag class is to cc them till they run out of stam then they melt.
Dunno how it will play out, but light armor is getting huge stamina buffs.
Max spell/weapon damage is the best passive, imo. So now you have three viable options for mag and stam instead of two.0 -
Nolic1✭✭✭WrathOfInnos wrote: »It’s strange to see Altmer become even more hybridized from a lore perspective (aren’t Bretons supposed to be more the spellsword type and Altmer pure casters?), but neither of these changes has any impact on game balance so I don’t care too much.
Not really many high elves in lore were soldiers and if not master swordsmen even Queen Irin is a sword user more then a mage so saying its lore breaking would be say no Nord was leader of the mages guild even though the most powerful mage in the elder scrolls lore was one or that orc shamans and mages did not exist. The truth is many greats were of races not given racial bonuses in the mmo sense are some of the best at what they do do to not having that they have to be smarter and better then the others.Sherman from Sherman's Gaming
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Miloscpolski✭✭✭biminirwb17_ESO wrote: »Without stamina, magic classes are ded in pvp. Easiest way to kill a mag class is to cc them till they run out of stam then they melt.
Dunno how it will play out, but light armor is getting huge stamina buffs.
Max spell/weapon damage is the best passive, imo. So now you have three viable options for mag and stam instead of two.
I still don't understand why medium armor does not have a penalty...1 -
Miloscpolski✭✭✭DecayingArtist wrote: »Miloscpolski wrote: »Don't you think that races will lose their uniqueness at such a rate? If everyone has both spd and wpd, then there will not be much uniqueness
The other 2 passive lines for each race still exist.
Just because you're hybridizing the spell and weapon damage doesn't mean you're making every race the same.
Why be for arbitrary aesthetic limitations that literally don't affect the balance of the game?
Altmer and Orc are still different enough even though they both have access to spell and weapon damage.
It's just weird, if zos concentrates orcs as staminists, so keep doing it, same with Altmer, even if Altmer focuses like a magician. But just giving spd orcs and wpd altmers is very strange. I see it being done for casuals.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Orcs are still better at stam than mag, but no longer awful at mag. High Elfs are still better at mag than stam, but no longer awful at stam. This allows players who are not going for min/max meta #1 leaderboard score runs to have more options for race choice and still have reasonably good combat performance. So now Orc and High Elf can be good at any DPS role, but can still only be great at their lore appropriate roles.5 -
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✭✭Miloscpolski wrote: »For an orc, 1000 stamina will be an indicator that you will choose stamina spec for him, the same applies especially to an altmer, because giving weapon dmg to a race that has 2000 magic and only is very stupid.
No stamina isn't a indicator to play stamina, my favorite mag support race has been Nord.
Stamina is a must have on a pvp magicka character, I run 14k-18k stam on all magicka toons: block, cc break, dodge, etc...
Long overdue change.0 -
Miloscpolski✭✭✭Miloscpolski wrote: »For an orc, 1000 stamina will be an indicator that you will choose stamina spec for him, the same applies especially to an altmer, because giving weapon dmg to a race that has 2000 magic and only is very stupid.
No stamina isn't a indicator to play stamina, my favorite mag support race has been Nord.
Stamina is a must have on a pvp magicka character, I run 14k-18k stam on all magicka toons: block, cc break, dodge, etc...
Long overdue change.
if you ever play high-end content in pve you will find that stamina or mana is an indicator. You will receive more damage in stam class if you have stamina passive skills than magic.0 -
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✭Lol Altmer with its 258 wd is better at being a stam dps than redguard at 2000 stam.9 -
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✭✭Miloscpolski wrote: »Miloscpolski wrote: »For an orc, 1000 stamina will be an indicator that you will choose stamina spec for him, the same applies especially to an altmer, because giving weapon dmg to a race that has 2000 magic and only is very stupid.
No stamina isn't a indicator to play stamina, my favorite mag support race has been Nord.
Stamina is a must have on a pvp magicka character, I run 14k-18k stam on all magicka toons: block, cc break, dodge, etc...
Long overdue change.
if you ever play high-end content in pve you will find that stamina or mana is an indicator. You will receive more damage in stam class if you have stamina passive skills than magic.
Yup, but I don't play end game pve. Playing on and off since 2014 and have never stepped into a trial.
PvP.
Edited by Wolfpaw on January 28, 2021 1:50AM4 -
VLVDIMYR✭✭Miloscpolski wrote: »DecayingArtist wrote: »Miloscpolski wrote: »Don't you think that races will lose their uniqueness at such a rate? If everyone has both spd and wpd, then there will not be much uniqueness
The other 2 passive lines for each race still exist.
Just because you're hybridizing the spell and weapon damage doesn't mean you're making every race the same.
Why be for arbitrary aesthetic limitations that literally don't affect the balance of the game?
Altmer and Orc are still different enough even though they both have access to spell and weapon damage.
It's just weird, if zos concentrates orcs as staminists, so keep doing it, same with Altmer, even if Altmer focuses like a magician. But just giving spd orcs and wpd altmers is very strange. I see it being done for casuals.
But my point is if it isn't affecting balance and doesn't hurt you or your play style, why limit other people's aesthetic options?
They've already made the change, so it's not like they're using time that could have been spent elsewhere.
Just because "it's weird" to you doesn't make it a good reason to reverse the change, and as others have stated, even the lore indicates it makes sense.
Just live and let live.PC NA7 -
Miloscpolski✭✭✭Miloscpolski wrote: »Miloscpolski wrote: »For an orc, 1000 stamina will be an indicator that you will choose stamina spec for him, the same applies especially to an altmer, because giving weapon dmg to a race that has 2000 magic and only is very stupid.
No stamina isn't a indicator to play stamina, my favorite mag support race has been Nord.
Stamina is a must have on a pvp magicka character, I run 14k-18k stam on all magicka toons: block, cc break, dodge, etc...
Long overdue change.
if you ever play high-end content in pve you will find that stamina or mana is an indicator. You will receive more damage in stam class if you have stamina passive skills than magic.
Yup, but I don't play end game pve. Playing on and off since 2014 and have never stepped into a trial.
PvP.
in pvp, the loss of the main resource can partially affect the loss of the main damage, but here everything is very individual. For pvp, this is unnecessary.0
