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ZOS Help! I have 92 surveys to do

StarOfElyon
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I've been doing my surveys off and on over the past couple of days and I still have 92 left in my inventory. I can't do this. I do not have time.

I've asked in the past if you could implement a way to help us deal with these surveys. We have hirelings. I don't know if anyone puts points into that perk but I don't. I would if I could give 1 - 3 surveys of each type to my hireling to retrieve the mats for each day.

I feel overwhelmed by the grind of this game. Everything is a grind. I can't spare the time to even simply play and enjoy the game.
  • StarOfElyon
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    I need those mats. How else am I supposed to be self-sufficient and not be at the mercy of the guild traders?
  • karthrag_inak
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    heh.
  • StarOfElyon
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    tmbrinks wrote: »
    I need those mats. How else am I supposed to be self-sufficient and not be at the mercy of the guild traders?

    Then collect the surveys. They are most definitely worth doing, there are almost no other activities (other than the daily writs themselves) that are as efficient on a value/time ratio in the game.

    I am doing them, as I said in my original post. I have done them in the past. I'm asking for a quality of life improvement. Who would argue against that?
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    What I like to do is farm chests in the area around the surveys, really helps break up the time.

    But I feel the pain. I recently bought around 200 treasure maps, spent nearly 200K on them, and farmed them all. Took a long time. Especially longer since I was stopping from farming a location to pick up Ancestral Motif Leads when they dropped.

    The game could definitely benefit from a number of things stacking and being "easier" to pick up. Treasure maps stacking and automatically refreshing to dig would be great too. As would Antiquity Lead stacking.

    We already know that chests can spawn and despawn while you are looking at them, just make the maps and the surveys instantly respawn while you are there if you have another one in the inventory and complete one.
    Edited by jaws343 on January 13, 2021 10:19PM
  • StarOfElyon
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    Here's this one's current count. This one wishes that each stack would trigger all at once, if the surveys were in inventory.

    surveys.png?width=770&height=738

    Divines help you.
  • StarOfElyon
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    tmbrinks wrote: »
    tmbrinks wrote: »
    I need those mats. How else am I supposed to be self-sufficient and not be at the mercy of the guild traders?

    Then collect the surveys. They are most definitely worth doing, there are almost no other activities (other than the daily writs themselves) that are as efficient on a value/time ratio in the game.

    I am doing them, as I said in my original post. I have done them in the past. I'm asking for a quality of life improvement. Who would argue against that?

    I feel quality of life improvements should be for "pain points" in the game... not something that is already among the most efficient means for making gold... but I guess I'm in the minority, considering this isn't even the only thread on this on the front page of this sub-forum.

    As I said, collecting surveys is just part of doing the "profit" of doing writs.

    Considering how expensive everything in the game is, from houses to furnishings, and given people's limited time, I don't see a problem with making gold. I mean, I don't care how much gold other people are making if I can do the same thing.
  • StarOfElyon
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    tmbrinks wrote: »
    tmbrinks wrote: »
    tmbrinks wrote: »
    I need those mats. How else am I supposed to be self-sufficient and not be at the mercy of the guild traders?

    Then collect the surveys. They are most definitely worth doing, there are almost no other activities (other than the daily writs themselves) that are as efficient on a value/time ratio in the game.

    I am doing them, as I said in my original post. I have done them in the past. I'm asking for a quality of life improvement. Who would argue against that?

    I feel quality of life improvements should be for "pain points" in the game... not something that is already among the most efficient means for making gold... but I guess I'm in the minority, considering this isn't even the only thread on this on the front page of this sub-forum.

    As I said, collecting surveys is just part of doing the "profit" of doing writs.

    Considering how expensive everything in the game is, from houses to furnishings, and given people's limited time, I don't see a problem with making gold. I mean, I don't care how much gold other people are making if I can do the same thing.

    MMOs are long-term commitment games. They aren't designed for instant gratification and the "quick" achievement of being able to purchase everything.

    (You know that if you just pump a whole bunch of gold and value into a system... everything will lose value... and prices will go up... right?)

    Prices can go up on guild traders but people don't have to pay. I can be self-sufficient, which is why I'm trying to do my surveys. The guild trader doesn't affect anyone who can gather their own materials. Besides, those guild sellers probably use bots and they have all the mats and gold they need. I'm just trying to make my gear and get enough money to afford things on sale in the game in my limited time as a married man with children. MMOs shouldn't just be for the single people with no life offline.

    Actually, guild traders offering mats for sale are more "instant gratification" than what I'm asking for.
    Edited by StarOfElyon on January 14, 2021 12:17AM
  • StarOfElyon
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    tmbrinks wrote: »
    tmbrinks wrote: »
    tmbrinks wrote: »
    tmbrinks wrote: »
    I need those mats. How else am I supposed to be self-sufficient and not be at the mercy of the guild traders?

    Then collect the surveys. They are most definitely worth doing, there are almost no other activities (other than the daily writs themselves) that are as efficient on a value/time ratio in the game.

    I am doing them, as I said in my original post. I have done them in the past. I'm asking for a quality of life improvement. Who would argue against that?

    I feel quality of life improvements should be for "pain points" in the game... not something that is already among the most efficient means for making gold... but I guess I'm in the minority, considering this isn't even the only thread on this on the front page of this sub-forum.

    As I said, collecting surveys is just part of doing the "profit" of doing writs.

    Considering how expensive everything in the game is, from houses to furnishings, and given people's limited time, I don't see a problem with making gold. I mean, I don't care how much gold other people are making if I can do the same thing.

    MMOs are long-term commitment games. They aren't designed for instant gratification and the "quick" achievement of being able to purchase everything.

    (You know that if you just pump a whole bunch of gold and value into a system... everything will lose value... and prices will go up... right?)

    Prices can go up on guild traders but people don't have to pay. I can be self-sufficient, which is why I'm trying to do my surveys. The guild trader doesn't affect anyone who can gather their own materials. Besides, those guild sellers probably use bots and they have all the mats and gold they need. I'm just trying to make my gear and get enough money to afford things on sale in the game in my limited time as a married man with children. MMOs shouldn't just be for the single people with no life offline.

    Actually, guild traders offering mats for sale are more "instant gratification" than what I'm asking for.

    I never said they were just for single people with no life offline... but I'm sure people appreciate being insulted like that. (BTW, many people have much less outside life right now... because we're actually doing what we should be doing during this pandemic and keeping away from public places and lots of contact)

    Curiously you had the time to do the daily writs that gave you all those surveys, so to say that you don't have time... :neutral:

    Honestly, if they just gave you all the surveys when you got them, there would be no point to surveys... just change the drops from the writs to make it be about the same. But, they are designed as the "bonus" reward that you can choose to get.

    I'd be 100% fine that you can trade in your survey to get the 15 max level materials and 10 of another random lower level material, which is the reward you'd get if you didn't receive the survey drop. But you don't get to refine, so no improvement mats from them.

    Does that sound reasonable?

    What I would like is what I asked for. And that's the ability to turn in surveys to my hirelings (which I'll put skill points into) and have them deliver the mats (as they already do deliver some materials). Nothing else needs to be said on that.
  • StarOfElyon
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    I'm no fool. I know that it really comes down to people trying to protect the status quo. If mats become easier to come by, the prices on the guild traders will drop. There won't be inflation if everyone is turning in there surveys and becoming more self-sufficient. Of course, those who don't want to do any crafting will still turn to the traders for the convenience of it.

    Anyway, back to the grind.
  • Calm_Fury
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    Here's this one's current count. This one wishes that each stack would trigger all at once, if the surveys were in inventory.

    surveys.png?width=770&height=738

    Holy damn... That might maybe break the 2.1 billion gold limit hard-coded into the game if you collect and sell everything.

    Luckily ZOS has accounted for the huge annoyance and time sink collecting survey is.

    You are a great example of why they will probably never make them easy to get. I'm not even hard-code anymore and probably have 400 of them. If I need to upgrade some sets I get the most repeated one and collect only until I have enough to get gold mats.
  • tmbrinks
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    Calm_Fury wrote: »
    Here's this one's current count. This one wishes that each stack would trigger all at once, if the surveys were in inventory.

    surveys.png?width=770&height=738

    Holy damn... That might maybe break the 2.1 billion gold limit hard-coded into the game if you collect and sell everything.

    Luckily ZOS has accounted for the huge annoyance and time sink collecting survey is.

    You are a great example of why they will probably never make them easy to get. I'm not even hard-code anymore and probably have 400 of them. If I need to upgrade some sets I get the most repeated one and collect only until I have enough to get gold mats.

    It doesn't really come close to that.

    Even if they were all Jewelry Surveys. The expected value of the materials from a single Jewelry survey is about 21k in value.

    120 raw mats * 85% (refine rate) = 102 mats * 40 gold each ~ 4000 gold

    12 refines * (15% chance of terne grain * 100 (value) + 12.5% chance of iridium * 1000 (value) + 7.5 % chance of zircon * 5000 (value) + 5% chance of chromium * 18000 (value)) ~ 17,000 gold

    That's 21k gold total, so to get to the hard-coded max... they'd need to have 100,000 jewelry surveys. There are about 150 unique surveys, so they'd need over 650 at each location to hit the maximum. And that's just jewelry, with the lower values of the others, you're probably looking over 1000-1500 of each unique survey to hit that 2.1 billion number.

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  • Anotherone773
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    I've been doing my surveys off and on over the past couple of days and I still have 92 left in my inventory. I can't do this. I do not have time.

    I've asked in the past if you could implement a way to help us deal with these surveys. We have hirelings. I don't know if anyone puts points into that perk but I don't. I would if I could give 1 - 3 surveys of each type to my hireling to retrieve the mats for each day.

    I feel overwhelmed by the grind of this game. Everything is a grind. I can't spare the time to even simply play and enjoy the game.

    Honestly, from looking at your other posts, i think your trolling us. Especially since surveys have a huge reward:time invested payoff ratio. This is also probably the least grindy MMO i have ever played, and definitely the least grindy in this MMORPG genre.
  • Starlock
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    tmbrinks wrote: »
    I need those mats. How else am I supposed to be self-sufficient and not be at the mercy of the guild traders?

    Then collect the surveys. They are most definitely worth doing, there are almost no other activities (other than the daily writs themselves) that are as efficient on a value/time ratio in the game.

    I am doing them, as I said in my original post. I have done them in the past. I'm asking for a quality of life improvement. Who would argue against that?

    Welcome to the official ESO forums - where some customers will routinely argue against sensible quality of life improvements.

    Personally, I don't care one way or another on surveys, but it makes sense for our characters to be able to use our hirelings to collect surveys. They already collect bits and scraps, so why can't we tell them to also go to this spot and gather things? It would make sense.
  • Calm_Fury
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    tmbrinks wrote: »
    Calm_Fury wrote: »
    Here's this one's current count. This one wishes that each stack would trigger all at once, if the surveys were in inventory.

    surveys.png?width=770&height=738

    Holy damn... That might maybe break the 2.1 billion gold limit hard-coded into the game if you collect and sell everything.

    Luckily ZOS has accounted for the huge annoyance and time sink collecting survey is.

    You are a great example of why they will probably never make them easy to get. I'm not even hard-code anymore and probably have 400 of them. If I need to upgrade some sets I get the most repeated one and collect only until I have enough to get gold mats.

    It doesn't really come close to that.

    Even if they were all Jewelry Surveys. The expected value of the materials from a single Jewelry survey is about 21k in value.

    120 raw mats * 85% (refine rate) = 102 mats * 40 gold each ~ 4000 gold

    12 refines * (15% chance of terne grain * 100 (value) + 12.5% chance of iridium * 1000 (value) + 7.5 % chance of zircon * 5000 (value) + 5% chance of chromium * 18000 (value)) ~ 17,000 gold

    That's 21k gold total, so to get to the hard-coded max... they'd need to have 100,000 jewelry surveys. There are about 150 unique surveys, so they'd need over 650 at each location to hit the maximum. And that's just jewelry, with the lower values of the others, you're probably looking over 1000-1500 of each unique survey to hit that 2.1 billion number.

    r/theyDidTheMath

    I was just joking!
  • Reverb
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    I don’t know how many hundreds of surveys I have, but it’s many. A thousand? More?

    I would pay an obscene amount of crowns for an assistant or hireling to do these for me. I
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  • Araneae6537
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    Just tackle them a bit each time you play and eventually you will have it down to a more reasonable number. There are a few zones I’m still working to get caught up on, but more zones now for which I regularly do the surveys soon after I get them. :)
  • Anotherone773
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    Just tackle them a bit each time you play and eventually you will have it down to a more reasonable number. There are a few zones I’m still working to get caught up on, but more zones now for which I regularly do the surveys soon after I get them. :)

    When i need to clear surveys and treasure maps out of my bank, i do them all for a single zone while waiting for queues( usually BGs) to pop. Works great.
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