Discord is required in most guilds but it's unsafe here's why...pls comment

SilverBride · October 2020

redspecter23 wrote: »

If the Discords you are a member of are stalkerish, that's not a Discord problem. That's a people problem. Try to find better people to hang out with.

Unfortunately this kind of thing happens. Some guys can't hear a woman's voice and keep themselves under control.

I recently made friends with a couple of guys in game and agreed to chat on discord but I've since stopped because it seemed to change them. I started getting comments like "I want to hear that sweet voice again" from one of them. And both of them have started saying things like "Hello pretty Orc lady" when I log on.

I don't blame discord for their lack of maturity and self control, but I won't use it now because of that.

mairwen85 · October 2020

SilverBride wrote: »

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redspecter23 wrote: »

If the Discords you are a member of are stalkerish, that's not a Discord problem. That's a people problem. Try to find better people to hang out with.

Unfortunately this kind of thing happens. Some guys can't hear a woman's voice and keep themselves under control.

I recently made friends with a couple of guys in game and agreed to chat on discord but I've since stopped because it seemed to change them. I started getting comments like "I want to hear that sweet voice again" from one of them. And both of them have started saying things like "Hello pretty Orc lady" when I log on.

I don't blame discord for their lack of maturity and self control, but I won't use it now because of that.

I once joined a guild and within 10 minutes of joining had someone in my DMs giving me creepy compliments. Based on my avatar/icon they explained how sexy and rock chick I am

and then I explained how it was actually Joan Jett and that I am in my mid-50s--they didn't get back to me after that

but yeah, not cool. But all under user control block/ignore/report.

alanmatillab16_ESO · October 2020

Just block them. What you are calling unsafe is a precaution against trolls and spammers that try and change names to avoid responsibility for previous messages.

If they complain to the gm why you blocked them then tell the gm WHY you blocked them.

SilverBride · October 2020

mairwen85 wrote: »

But all under user control block/ignore/report.

This is true. I took the first step by not voice chatting with them any more. And I decided I will tell them they are making me uncomfortable the next time they make a "pretty orc" comment, because other than that they are decent guys and fun to hang out with.

Tranquilizer · October 2020

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Fuzzybrick wrote: »

Ehhh...
I'm told I need discord....
I reply. "No"

Haha, yes, this in a nutshell

When I came back to eso some time ago I explicitly looked for a guild using teamspeak rather than discord for their voice com. Too many privacy issues.

And did you find any ?
...

Yes I did. Actually I found two guilds using ts for their voice com, one pvp and one pve/trading guild. Both guilds are native german guilds, maybe we germans are more old fashioned than people in other countries, or maybe we just value our privacy more.

I'd rather pay the guild ts all by myself than changing to discord.

zvavi · October 2020

Even if you join voice you can be muted... I do it all the time when I don't feel like talking

EdmondDontes · October 2020

SilverBride wrote: »

I hate everything about Discord. The very first thing I noticed was that there is no way in the program to shut it down. You have to go to the task bar, right click its icon, and close it there. It's like they are trying to force you into leaving it running in the background.

Then the other day a friend said I sent you some links to some songs and some memes. I finally found them and wanted to delete them, because I was not interested, but found no way to do so. So I asked him how to delete them and he said I can't.

Discord is way too invasive for me and I'm done with it.

The problem in ESO is every guild I see requires it.

Discord doesn't shut down completely when you close the program because it's monitoring other activities not discord related. That's why a program that doesn't completely shut down when you close it should always be a concern.

Discord is practically spyware. People really should educate themselves about the social media platforms they put so much trust in; knowingly or not.

mairwen85 · October 2020

EdmondDontes wrote: »

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SilverBride wrote: »

I hate everything about Discord. The very first thing I noticed was that there is no way in the program to shut it down. You have to go to the task bar, right click its icon, and close it there. It's like they are trying to force you into leaving it running in the background.

Then the other day a friend said I sent you some links to some songs and some memes. I finally found them and wanted to delete them, because I was not interested, but found no way to do so. So I asked him how to delete them and he said I can't.

Discord is way too invasive for me and I'm done with it.

The problem in ESO is every guild I see requires it.

Discord doesn't shut down completely when you close the program because it's monitoring other activities not discord related. That's why a program that doesn't completely shut down when you close it should always be a concern.

Discord is practically spyware. People really should educate themselves about the social media platforms they put so much trust in; knowingly or not.

This is borderline libel now--when making such statements, the onus is on you to provide evidence of that. I'm not going to argue it isn't the case as I've tried to be un-biased in the details I've given around what discord is and isn't. Education, as you put it, is not rumour and opinion. It's true that many platforms conduct themselves in unsavoury ways and are designed to capitalise on a user's time and data--but I don't believe there is sufficient evidence for the case of discord, unless you have some.

Linaleah · October 2020

I realized a long long time ago, in previous MMO's back when voice chat du jour was Ventrilo, that I have to be very diligent about both joining voice chat and speaking in it. There will always be toxic people, unfortunately, regardless of the platform.

nowadays listen and watch for a while before joining in myself. I listen silently for a while (in general for trials, the requirement is that you are able to hear the instructions from the raid lead, speaking is optional and often discouraged as not to clog the mechanics call outs). I read the chat and decide whether the vibe is for me. if I type - its in most general, neutral terms at first. I screen the group before I feel comfortable speaking up. do I wish it wasn't necessary? heck yeah. unfortunately you cannot change other people and there will always be terrible people around, so instead I've learned to protect myself, while using the tools already there.

this is not a discord issue. its people issue. the world is unsafe. it does NOT mean you asked for it, or deserved it in any way, absolutely NOT. but there ARE ways to minimize the impact while still engaging in social aspects facilitated by aps like discord.

edited to add. discord is neither the only nor far from the first programs to require manual shut down. personaly I'm used to just closing it manually or running it in web browser, same as I do with other stuff. i just make sure that it doesn't fire up at startup (which you CAN do) /shrug

also. you cannot delete other people's links unless you are an administrator of the group. they have to delete them for you otherwise. but you CAN delete your own posts, and you can delete other people's posts IF you have admin status for the group you are in. THIS is not a privacy issue, this is protecting from abuse issue. imagine if you could just delete other people's posts willy nilly, without their consent, just because? someone asks for help, someone who is being a troll to them - deletes the post, so they never get help and think they are ignored, when in reality it hasn't had a chance to be seen. you CAN however hide posts you do not wish to see, manually. it doesn't delete them but it hides them from view for you.

Casul · October 2020

Moderation problems. If the guild can't maintain their own discord they can't maintain anything.

idk · October 2020

BuildMan wrote: »

Moderation problems. If the guild can't maintain their own discord they can't maintain anything.

Exactly. There are many guilds with leaders who lead because they want to hit done have a clue what it takes to be a decent leader. This includes the assistant leads.

I know how women get harassed in online games but every guild I am in does not tolerate harassment. Heck, when I have lead guilds I told my assistants to trust their instinct and do not hesitate to kick a player creating problems in or for the guild.

Find a good guild instead of these guilds run by jokers.

Kartalin · October 2020

SilverBride wrote: »

I hate everything about Discord. The very first thing I noticed was that there is no way in the program to shut it down. You have to go to the task bar, right click its icon, and close it there. It's like they are trying to force you into leaving it running in the background.

EdmondDontes wrote: »

Discord doesn't shut down completely when you close the program because it's monitoring other activities not discord related. That's why a program that doesn't completely shut down when you close it should always be a concern.

Ahem:

Mine closes down completely.

redspecter23 · October 2020

Kartalin wrote: »

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SilverBride wrote: »

I hate everything about Discord. The very first thing I noticed was that there is no way in the program to shut it down. You have to go to the task bar, right click its icon, and close it there. It's like they are trying to force you into leaving it running in the background.

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EdmondDontes wrote: »

Discord doesn't shut down completely when you close the program because it's monitoring other activities not discord related. That's why a program that doesn't completely shut down when you close it should always be a concern.

Ahem:

Mine closes down completely.

Useful information. I wasn't aware of that setting. Call me old fashioned, but X means close it down. If hitting X does anything other than completely closing a program, it's no longer X. Maybe they can use Y instead.

Kartalin · October 2020

Oh absolutely, that's how most people anticipate it should work and rightly so. I got frustrated with it myself and eventually decided to hunt for a solution.

SilverBride · October 2020

redspecter23 wrote: »

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Kartalin wrote: »

Ahem:

Mine closes down completely.

Useful information. I wasn't aware of that setting. Call me old fashioned, but X means close it down. If hitting X does anything other than completely closing a program, it's no longer X. Maybe they can use Y instead.

I wasn't aware of this either, but I found it right before replying to this post. The thing is it defaults to always being open, just like it defaults to allowing them to gather information about your gaming and other online activities. They make it so that you have to dig through every single setting to turn off things that should default to off in the first place.

The only thing I hate as much as Discord is Facebook. Which I also stopped using.

I also removed my guild from it and no one seems to have noticed or cared, even though they require it.

kringled_1 · October 2020

It's quite common for software with instant messaging like capabilities to default to not fully closing, so it can still receive message pushes from the server and provide a notification. This may not be functionality that is desired by some users, but I can guarantee that there would be lots of complaints if it went away.

SilverBride · October 2020

kringled_1 wrote: »

It's quite common for software with instant messaging like capabilities to default to not fully closing, so it can still receive message pushes from the server and provide a notification. This may not be functionality that is desired by some users, but I can guarantee that there would be lots of complaints if it went away.

We sure don't live in the same world.

But why not default to off and let those who want this enable it? Why is it the other way around?

barney2525 · October 2020

Aznarb wrote: »

Don't blame the tool, blame the users.
Discord, and any voice programme I've use since I started playing mmorpg just made my game experience so much more fun and give me the chance to encounter some amazing people that after 12 years of not playing the same game anymore we still in touch

Ofc, like in real like you'll encounter some *** time to time, happen 3 time to me in these 12 years, so, pretty ok I think.
And that not even a problem, speak with them to fix the issue, if not fixed, speak with guild leader, and last, if really it's not, leave, block him and all harasser : done.

I almost don't speak the 1st week on a new disc because I take this time to listen and see how it is. If it don't fit me I just leave after leaving a message about it to the guild leader.

Last : if someone harass you, it's punishable by law, internet is NOT a no-right place like some think.
If it's happen, report the guy to the discord staff.

I'm sorry you experience such an horrible issue, like I said, for me it's an amazing tool that just made my game experience even better. You just don't have find the right people to have fun with.

If you do not have any control over deleting previous logs .... and can Never have them disposed of ....

Blame the Tool

IMHO

furiouslog · October 2020

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So you join a guild, make lots of friends then you get on voice and someone or maybe even a couple of those people start getting flirty and even stalkerish. For some reason a voice has that power 🤔. Then you decide it's best to quit and end the harrassment....easier to leave quietly, no drama. You change your @name.

But wait!!! You even delete your discord and make a new discord account cos you dont want any traces of your time there left behind. But then one day, a yr later you join same guild...the guild name seems familiar, many do after a while, unfortunately....then when you join their discord you realise your old texts reappear but with your new discord #tag on there too...Quitting the guild never deleted your texts on discord, deleting your discord account never deleted anything infact they now know your new eso @name too

I never misbehave in guilds or post anything inappropriate but i may leave due to my severe social anxiety when it gets the better of me or due to some individual stalking me. Quitting a guild leaves me feeling morose and like a failure, its not fun. Its something i like to leave buried in the past. I was made aware of how invasive discord is when i rejoined an old guild accidently. I dont want this to happen to you. I left because a couple of people took it upon themselves to pursue me without my consent. If you change your discord name dont think you have deleted your presence it remains there forever.

Its similar to the eso ingame ignore list...if someone puts you on ignore first, they will forever know your @name essentially. I understand 100% that some of you wont care about this, its fine we are all different but for those of us that take our privacy seriously for reasons it is a huge issue.

Ty for reading and thank if you left a reply.

We require discord use in our guild because:

1. It's an effective tool to manage events in conjunction with bots
2. Some content requires voice chat to coordinate more efficiently (not that it can't be done without, but it streamlines explanations and callouts), and Discord merges that feature with other features that allow for better guild management.
3. It has strong features for linking, posting, and retaining information.

We don't require that you talk, but if you are in a trial or a hard dungeon/arena, we do want you in there to listen.

As far as your issues with stalkers and social anxiety, we have specific rules in our guild charter to deal with those problems should they occur. We also maintain a staff that is at least half female, and we have one officer whose job it is to independently hear and interpret conflicts if any members have a problem with any of the officers and staff. Because some of our membership had experienced harassment, doxxing, and other negative behaviors on Discord before in other guilds/games, we put processes in place and designed an organizational structure to handle those problems. We maintain strict rules about our chat channels being a "no-conflict" zone, with certain topics banned when they are known to be triggers, and we promote an inclusive atmosphere that focuses on resolution before banning (sometimes it's a learning opportunity), but banning when necessary. People can take their stuff to a private chat or go in an unmoderated channel if they want to hash something out.

You are empowered with the necessary tools to ignore people who are bothering you both in game and in Discord without having to make new accounts, and any guild worth its salt will definitely have procedures to deal with toxic behavior when it happens. I would not blame the tool when it's just bad people causing the problem, and if you didn't really do anything wrong you ought to be getting support and feel like you can stand your ground without having to try to erase yourself in the first place. Have the courage to be who you are, and find communities that will support you when there is trouble. They are out there.

For the people who say that if a guild requires Discord then it's not for them: that's perfectly okay. If you don't like to talk with people and enjoy that while you play, it's definitely true that our guild is not for you - but that is what we like, especially while everyone is stuck at home with COVID going on. We drink, laugh, and play on Discord. We know it's not everyone's cup of tea, and if not, there is a coffee joint just down the block you can check out, no worries.

SilverBride · October 2020

furiouslog wrote: »

For the people who say that if a guild requires Discord then it's not for them: that's perfectly okay. If you don't like to talk with people and enjoy that while you play, it's definitely true that our guild is not for you - but that is what we like, especially while everyone is stuck at home with COVID going on. We drink, laugh, and play on Discord. We know it's not everyone's cup of tea, and if not, there is a coffee joint just down the block you can check out, no worries.

Personally I would like to be able to use a voice chat (Discord is what my guild requires) for guild events, but the one time I tried wasn't the best experience. A couple of people in the chat loudly dominated the conversation. I blame the guild leader for this, because they could have discreetly asked them to tone it down. Conversation is supposed to be a two way street, not everyone else held captive listening to a monologue.

EdmondDontes · October 2020

mairwen85 wrote: »

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SilverBride wrote: »

I hate everything about Discord. The very first thing I noticed was that there is no way in the program to shut it down. You have to go to the task bar, right click its icon, and close it there. It's like they are trying to force you into leaving it running in the background.

Then the other day a friend said I sent you some links to some songs and some memes. I finally found them and wanted to delete them, because I was not interested, but found no way to do so. So I asked him how to delete them and he said I can't.

Discord is way too invasive for me and I'm done with it.

The problem in ESO is every guild I see requires it.

Discord doesn't shut down completely when you close the program because it's monitoring other activities not discord related. That's why a program that doesn't completely shut down when you close it should always be a concern.

Discord is practically spyware. People really should educate themselves about the social media platforms they put so much trust in; knowingly or not.

This is borderline libel now--when making such statements, the onus is on you to provide evidence of that. I'm not going to argue it isn't the case as I've tried to be un-biased in the details I've given around what discord is and isn't. Education, as you put it, is not rumour and opinion. It's true that many platforms conduct themselves in unsavoury ways and are designed to capitalise on a user's time and data--but I don't believe there is sufficient evidence for the case of discord, unless you have some.

Ok, why doesn't discord shut down when you close the program? Why does it stay running in the background when you are not using it directly?

EdmondDontes · October 2020

Kartalin wrote: »

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SilverBride wrote: »

I hate everything about Discord. The very first thing I noticed was that there is no way in the program to shut it down. You have to go to the task bar, right click its icon, and close it there. It's like they are trying to force you into leaving it running in the background.

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EdmondDontes wrote: »

Discord doesn't shut down completely when you close the program because it's monitoring other activities not discord related. That's why a program that doesn't completely shut down when you close it should always be a concern.

Ahem:

Mine closes down completely.

Logging out of discord does not shut down the program. It stays running. You have to go to the task bar and shut it down that way.

Nord_Raseri · October 2020

Does pc not have in-game voice chat?

Olauron · October 2020

EdmondDontes wrote: »

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Kartalin wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I hate everything about Discord. The very first thing I noticed was that there is no way in the program to shut it down. You have to go to the task bar, right click its icon, and close it there. It's like they are trying to force you into leaving it running in the background.

EdmondDontes wrote: »

Discord doesn't shut down completely when you close the program because it's monitoring other activities not discord related. That's why a program that doesn't completely shut down when you close it should always be a concern.

Ahem:

Mine closes down completely.

Logging out of discord does not shut down the program. It stays running. You have to go to the task bar and shut it down that way.

That's incorrect. There is a special Minimize to Tray option, shown right on the screen.

EdmondDontes · October 2020

furiouslog wrote: »

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Recent wrote: »

So you join a guild, make lots of friends then you get on voice and someone or maybe even a couple of those people start getting flirty and even stalkerish. For some reason a voice has that power 🤔. Then you decide it's best to quit and end the harrassment....easier to leave quietly, no drama. You change your @name.

But wait!!! You even delete your discord and make a new discord account cos you dont want any traces of your time there left behind. But then one day, a yr later you join same guild...the guild name seems familiar, many do after a while, unfortunately....then when you join their discord you realise your old texts reappear but with your new discord #tag on there too...Quitting the guild never deleted your texts on discord, deleting your discord account never deleted anything infact they now know your new eso @name too

I never misbehave in guilds or post anything inappropriate but i may leave due to my severe social anxiety when it gets the better of me or due to some individual stalking me. Quitting a guild leaves me feeling morose and like a failure, its not fun. Its something i like to leave buried in the past. I was made aware of how invasive discord is when i rejoined an old guild accidently. I dont want this to happen to you. I left because a couple of people took it upon themselves to pursue me without my consent. If you change your discord name dont think you have deleted your presence it remains there forever.

Its similar to the eso ingame ignore list...if someone puts you on ignore first, they will forever know your @name essentially. I understand 100% that some of you wont care about this, its fine we are all different but for those of us that take our privacy seriously for reasons it is a huge issue.

Ty for reading and thank if you left a reply.

We require discord use in our guild because:

1. It's an effective tool to manage events in conjunction with bots
2. Some content requires voice chat to coordinate more efficiently (not that it can't be done without, but it streamlines explanations and callouts), and Discord merges that feature with other features that allow for better guild management.
3. It has strong features for linking, posting, and retaining information.

We don't require that you talk, but if you are in a trial or a hard dungeon/arena, we do want you in there to listen.

As far as your issues with stalkers and social anxiety, we have specific rules in our guild charter to deal with those problems should they occur. We also maintain a staff that is at least half female, and we have one officer whose job it is to independently hear and interpret conflicts if any members have a problem with any of the officers and staff. Because some of our membership had experienced harassment, doxxing, and other negative behaviors on Discord before in other guilds/games, we put processes in place and designed an organizational structure to handle those problems. We maintain strict rules about our chat channels being a "no-conflict" zone, with certain topics banned when they are known to be triggers, and we promote an inclusive atmosphere that focuses on resolution before banning (sometimes it's a learning opportunity), but banning when necessary. People can take their stuff to a private chat or go in an unmoderated channel if they want to hash something out.

You are empowered with the necessary tools to ignore people who are bothering you both in game and in Discord without having to make new accounts, and any guild worth its salt will definitely have procedures to deal with toxic behavior when it happens. I would not blame the tool when it's just bad people causing the problem, and if you didn't really do anything wrong you ought to be getting support and feel like you can stand your ground without having to try to erase yourself in the first place. Have the courage to be who you are, and find communities that will support you when there is trouble. They are out there.

For the people who say that if a guild requires Discord then it's not for them: that's perfectly okay. If you don't like to talk with people and enjoy that while you play, it's definitely true that our guild is not for you - but that is what we like, especially while everyone is stuck at home with COVID going on. We drink, laugh, and play on Discord. We know it's not everyone's cup of tea, and if not, there is a coffee joint just down the block you can check out, no worries.

What's wrong with using TeamSpeak?

SilverBride · October 2020

EdmondDontes wrote: »

What's wrong with using TeamSpeak?

I assume it's because Discord is the flavor of the month. All the cool kids use it.

tmbrinks · October 2020

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

Does pc not have in-game voice chat?

No, it is not built into the PC version

Linaleah · October 2020

EdmondDontes wrote: »

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furiouslog wrote: »

Recent wrote: »

So you join a guild, make lots of friends then you get on voice and someone or maybe even a couple of those people start getting flirty and even stalkerish. For some reason a voice has that power 🤔. Then you decide it's best to quit and end the harrassment....easier to leave quietly, no drama. You change your @name.

But wait!!! You even delete your discord and make a new discord account cos you dont want any traces of your time there left behind. But then one day, a yr later you join same guild...the guild name seems familiar, many do after a while, unfortunately....then when you join their discord you realise your old texts reappear but with your new discord #tag on there too...Quitting the guild never deleted your texts on discord, deleting your discord account never deleted anything infact they now know your new eso @name too

I never misbehave in guilds or post anything inappropriate but i may leave due to my severe social anxiety when it gets the better of me or due to some individual stalking me. Quitting a guild leaves me feeling morose and like a failure, its not fun. Its something i like to leave buried in the past. I was made aware of how invasive discord is when i rejoined an old guild accidently. I dont want this to happen to you. I left because a couple of people took it upon themselves to pursue me without my consent. If you change your discord name dont think you have deleted your presence it remains there forever.

Its similar to the eso ingame ignore list...if someone puts you on ignore first, they will forever know your @name essentially. I understand 100% that some of you wont care about this, its fine we are all different but for those of us that take our privacy seriously for reasons it is a huge issue.

Ty for reading and thank if you left a reply.

We require discord use in our guild because:

1. It's an effective tool to manage events in conjunction with bots
2. Some content requires voice chat to coordinate more efficiently (not that it can't be done without, but it streamlines explanations and callouts), and Discord merges that feature with other features that allow for better guild management.
3. It has strong features for linking, posting, and retaining information.

We don't require that you talk, but if you are in a trial or a hard dungeon/arena, we do want you in there to listen.

As far as your issues with stalkers and social anxiety, we have specific rules in our guild charter to deal with those problems should they occur. We also maintain a staff that is at least half female, and we have one officer whose job it is to independently hear and interpret conflicts if any members have a problem with any of the officers and staff. Because some of our membership had experienced harassment, doxxing, and other negative behaviors on Discord before in other guilds/games, we put processes in place and designed an organizational structure to handle those problems. We maintain strict rules about our chat channels being a "no-conflict" zone, with certain topics banned when they are known to be triggers, and we promote an inclusive atmosphere that focuses on resolution before banning (sometimes it's a learning opportunity), but banning when necessary. People can take their stuff to a private chat or go in an unmoderated channel if they want to hash something out.

You are empowered with the necessary tools to ignore people who are bothering you both in game and in Discord without having to make new accounts, and any guild worth its salt will definitely have procedures to deal with toxic behavior when it happens. I would not blame the tool when it's just bad people causing the problem, and if you didn't really do anything wrong you ought to be getting support and feel like you can stand your ground without having to try to erase yourself in the first place. Have the courage to be who you are, and find communities that will support you when there is trouble. They are out there.

For the people who say that if a guild requires Discord then it's not for them: that's perfectly okay. If you don't like to talk with people and enjoy that while you play, it's definitely true that our guild is not for you - but that is what we like, especially while everyone is stuck at home with COVID going on. We drink, laugh, and play on Discord. We know it's not everyone's cup of tea, and if not, there is a coffee joint just down the block you can check out, no worries.

What's wrong with using TeamSpeak?

nothing if you don't mind having 2 separate places to deal with things. back before discord its what people did. I still have old accounts with guildlaunch and the like, from when you had one thing for voice and the other for everything else. the thing is - discord is simply more convenient.

Linaleah · October 2020

SilverBride wrote: »

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EdmondDontes wrote: »

What's wrong with using TeamSpeak?

I assume it's because Discord is the flavor of the month. All the cool kids use it.

no, its literally because its more convenient as one stop shop of guild management/communication/socializing. see my post above.

tmbrinks · October 2020

EdmondDontes wrote: »

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mairwen85 wrote: »

EdmondDontes wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I hate everything about Discord. The very first thing I noticed was that there is no way in the program to shut it down. You have to go to the task bar, right click its icon, and close it there. It's like they are trying to force you into leaving it running in the background.

Then the other day a friend said I sent you some links to some songs and some memes. I finally found them and wanted to delete them, because I was not interested, but found no way to do so. So I asked him how to delete them and he said I can't.

Discord is way too invasive for me and I'm done with it.

The problem in ESO is every guild I see requires it.

Discord doesn't shut down completely when you close the program because it's monitoring other activities not discord related. That's why a program that doesn't completely shut down when you close it should always be a concern.

Discord is practically spyware. People really should educate themselves about the social media platforms they put so much trust in; knowingly or not.

This is borderline libel now--when making such statements, the onus is on you to provide evidence of that. I'm not going to argue it isn't the case as I've tried to be un-biased in the details I've given around what discord is and isn't. Education, as you put it, is not rumour and opinion. It's true that many platforms conduct themselves in unsavoury ways and are designed to capitalise on a user's time and data--but I don't believe there is sufficient evidence for the case of discord, unless you have some.

Ok, why doesn't discord shut down when you close the program? Why does it stay running in the background when you are not using it directly?

So you can get push notifications if you get messaged... the same way your messaging app on your phone doesn't completely shut down.

It's not because it's a nefarious program stealing all your private information