Discord is required in most guilds but it's unsafe here's why...pls comment

SilverBride

Linaleah wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

EdmondDontes wrote: »

What's wrong with using TeamSpeak?

I assume it's because Discord is the flavor of the month. All the cool kids use it.

no, its literally because its more convenient as one stop shop of guild management/communication/socializing. see my post above.

It may be more convenient for a guild leader, but I find it a royal pita. Our guild puts so much information on it that you can't easily find what's new. Which doesn't matter to me now anyway, because I removed it.

tmbrinks

SilverBride wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

EdmondDontes wrote: »

What's wrong with using TeamSpeak?

I assume it's because Discord is the flavor of the month. All the cool kids use it.

no, its literally because its more convenient as one stop shop of guild management/communication/socializing. see my post above.

It may be more convenient for a guild leader, but I find it a royal pita. Our guild puts so much information on it that you can't easily find what's new. Which doesn't matter to me now anyway, because I removed it.

That's not a discord problem. That's a guild leader problem, and lack of organization problem.

Juhasow

Recent wrote: »

I understand 100% that some of you wont care about this, its fine we are all different but for those of us that take our privacy seriously for reasons it is a huge issue.

Your privacy on discord is as safe as You want it to be. It's 100% Your decision to share or not to share Your private informations with others.

furiouslog

EdmondDontes wrote: »

What's wrong with using TeamSpeak?

I covered this, but it does not have anywhere near the level of social integration and bot features that Discord does. We post trial signups, event schedules, stream the dwemer bot, and all of that. We can have over 400 members active in the server at any one time, so it really helps with real-time coordination. We'd need to use multiple programs to get the same level of coordination, and it would increase complexity and provide a barrier to entry for the guild.

For years, I ran a private Teamspeak server on my UNraid box, and honestly, I have not used it since I got into Discord. Teamspeak is great for eSports ladder teams with a small and fixed number - the external game coordination is simpler. It is not great for a large social guild with hundreds of members all doing different stuff at different times.

SilverBride

Juhasow wrote: »

Recent wrote: »

I understand 100% that some of you wont care about this, its fine we are all different but for those of us that take our privacy seriously for reasons it is a huge issue.

Your privacy on discord is as safe as You want it to be. It's 100% Your decision to share or not to share Your private informations with others.

I admit I am to blame for relying on information (misinformation) from others rather than just going through all the settings myself after I installed it. But I still believe that Discord purposely defaults to the least secure settings because they do track what we are doing, and they don't want us to make it more difficult for them to do so.

mairwen85

EdmondDontes wrote: »

Ok, why doesn't discord shut down when you close the program? Why does it stay running in the background when you are not using it directly?

because default click on close behaviour is minimize to tray. Not sure about you, but I like to continue receiving messages with the tool minimized

EdmondDontes wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I hate everything about Discord. The very first thing I noticed was that there is no way in the program to shut it down. You have to go to the task bar, right click its icon, and close it there. It's like they are trying to force you into leaving it running in the background.

EdmondDontes wrote: »

Discord doesn't shut down completely when you close the program because it's monitoring other activities not discord related. That's why a program that doesn't completely shut down when you close it should always be a concern.

Ahem:



Mine closes down completely.

Logging out of discord does not shut down the program. It stays running. You have to go to the task bar and shut it down that way.

You are aware the screen shot you are quoting has the option to set that behaviour? Default behaviour is minimize to tray, but it can be configured differently to close on X instead. Minimize to tray is common in desktop apps to save space on the task bar and so you don't have to have the window open at all times.

Logging out will log out but keep the client open until you close/exit it (just like the eso client behaves)--log out and exit application are separate functions in most applications, but regardless, I feel there is something else at play here than simply not understanding common functionality in modern applications.

barney2525 wrote: »

Aznarb wrote: »

Don't blame the tool, blame the users.
Discord, and any voice programme I've use since I started playing mmorpg just made my game experience so much more fun and give me the chance to encounter some amazing people that after 12 years of not playing the same game anymore we still in touch

Ofc, like in real like you'll encounter some *** time to time, happen 3 time to me in these 12 years, so, pretty ok I think.
And that not even a problem, speak with them to fix the issue, if not fixed, speak with guild leader, and last, if really it's not, leave, block him and all harasser : done.

I almost don't speak the 1st week on a new disc because I take this time to listen and see how it is. If it don't fit me I just leave after leaving a message about it to the guild leader.

Last : if someone harass you, it's punishable by law, internet is NOT a no-right place like some think.
If it's happen, report the guy to the discord staff.

I'm sorry you experience such an horrible issue, like I said, for me it's an amazing tool that just made my game experience even better. You just don't have find the right people to have fun with.

If you do not have any control over deleting previous logs .... and can Never have them disposed of ....

Blame the Tool

IMHO

It was linked previously in the thread that users have control over what they post and when deleted, messages are unrecoverable by anyone.

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I honestly can't believe this thread is still open considering how far off topic it is.

Contaminate

I can’t imagine how it’s possible to completely miss that you’ve rejoined the same guild. Discord is safe as any other platform, as long as you actually take a moment to change settings. You can restrict dms, you can set yourself invis 24/7, you can simply not link accounts, you can block people, you don’t have to use voice.

And yes it records what you play, just like every other free service that sells info for marketing purposes. Can’t say I’m too bothered by it.

EdmondDontes

How many people using discord have the same name on their PC as the one their mother gave them? Is putting your real name on your PC a privacy risk?

(this is a trick question, and one to ask yourself, not answer here)

EdmondDontes

mairwen85 wrote: »

EdmondDontes wrote: »

Ok, why doesn't discord shut down when you close the program? Why does it stay running in the background when you are not using it directly?

because default click on close behaviour is minimize to tray. Not sure about you, but I like to continue receiving messages with the tool minimized

EdmondDontes wrote: »

Kartalin wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I hate everything about Discord. The very first thing I noticed was that there is no way in the program to shut it down. You have to go to the task bar, right click its icon, and close it there. It's like they are trying to force you into leaving it running in the background.

EdmondDontes wrote: »

Discord doesn't shut down completely when you close the program because it's monitoring other activities not discord related. That's why a program that doesn't completely shut down when you close it should always be a concern.

Ahem:



Mine closes down completely.

Logging out of discord does not shut down the program. It stays running. You have to go to the task bar and shut it down that way.

You are aware the screen shot you are quoting has the option to set that behaviour? Default behaviour is minimize to tray, but it can be configured differently to close on X instead. Minimize to tray is common in desktop apps to save space on the task bar and so you don't have to have the window open at all times.

Logging out will log out but keep the client open until you close/exit it (just like the eso client behaves)--log out and exit application are separate functions in most applications, but regardless, I feel there is something else at play here than simply not understanding common functionality in modern applications.

barney2525 wrote: »

Aznarb wrote: »

Don't blame the tool, blame the users.
Discord, and any voice programme I've use since I started playing mmorpg just made my game experience so much more fun and give me the chance to encounter some amazing people that after 12 years of not playing the same game anymore we still in touch

Ofc, like in real like you'll encounter some *** time to time, happen 3 time to me in these 12 years, so, pretty ok I think.
And that not even a problem, speak with them to fix the issue, if not fixed, speak with guild leader, and last, if really it's not, leave, block him and all harasser : done.

I almost don't speak the 1st week on a new disc because I take this time to listen and see how it is. If it don't fit me I just leave after leaving a message about it to the guild leader.

Last : if someone harass you, it's punishable by law, internet is NOT a no-right place like some think.
If it's happen, report the guy to the discord staff.

I'm sorry you experience such an horrible issue, like I said, for me it's an amazing tool that just made my game experience even better. You just don't have find the right people to have fun with.

If you do not have any control over deleting previous logs .... and can Never have them disposed of ....

Blame the Tool

IMHO

It was linked previously in the thread that users have control over what they post and when deleted, messages are unrecoverable by anyone.

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I honestly can't believe this thread is still open considering how far off topic it is.

I'm aware that the default settings are what they are for a reason, and that I seem to be more aware of that reason than those promoting Discord so naively.

Remember the social media rule of thumb: If they give it to you for free online, your user history and identity is the product they are selling.

josiahva

I log into Discord when I am forced to...that is it..usually just for a trial, occasionally for tri-fecta or HM DLC dungeons. I don't ever talk in there, nor do I stay in there when I am done with the run...I hate Discord...not the general idea, but the implementation. Just like Facebook, it is one of the most non-intuitive interfaces you can make. Instead of all your options and setting being available from a drop-down menu you have to spend ages hunting them down...its not quick or convenient to log into a new server, its not convenient to log out, its not convenient to shut down entirely, the whole setup is horrible compared to Teamspeak...TS may not have the same abilities...but it does the main job better and more intuitively....not that anyone uses it anymore, I am perfectly capable of talking to guildees in chat in-game, I have no desire to speak to them using a mic unless its unavoidable.

Linaleah

SilverBride wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

EdmondDontes wrote: »

What's wrong with using TeamSpeak?

I assume it's because Discord is the flavor of the month. All the cool kids use it.

no, its literally because its more convenient as one stop shop of guild management/communication/socializing. see my post above.

It may be more convenient for a guild leader, but I find it a royal pita. Our guild puts so much information on it that you can't easily find what's new. Which doesn't matter to me now anyway, because I removed it.

honestly, part of the reason guild leaders switch to it, becasue its convenient to the guild members. it is hard enough to get some people to install a single ap, getting them to install a voice up AND sign up for a separate website AND use it regularly? people don't like to do it becasue for most people its too much. god help you if you are in multiple guilds (which most people in ESO are - that's multiple websites you end up trying to keep track of and at some point just give up) discord is a single thing, its easy, its convenient. your luddite attitude doesn't make it any less convenient for the guild member who can hop in, check news in multiple guilds and hop out - quick and easy.

if you are having trouble finding new information there could be two problems. either your guild is not utilizing multiple channels with multiple restrictions properly... or.... its another feature of discord that you somehow missed and yet blame discord for.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

This discussion makes me think tinfoil hats are being given around.

karekiz

People freaking about stolen data are often over reacting. You want 100% safe? Unplug your connect. Don't use online services. Any of them. Not even ZoS/ESO

https://kotaku.com/bethesda-support-leaks-fallout-76-customer-names-addre-1830892930

And its not the first online service to basically be data breached. Blizzard IIRC and SoE/now Daybreak.

Same programs do indeed base itself on what you do, but mostly honestly its harmless.

As for programs in your taskbar. There is most likely more hidden in background that you don't know, and lets say you don't use discord. Teamspeak itself does it as well.

Can't wait for peeps to see New Teamspeak which is just a clone of Discord. Wonder how they will react.

Psiion

Greetings all,

Seeing as this thread has derailed off the topic of ESO, we have decided to close it down. Remember when replying to a thread to keep the discussion on topic, and ESO related, as well as within the Forum's Community Rules.