Discord is required in most guilds but it's unsafe here's why...pls comment

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So you join a guild, make lots of friends then you get on voice and someone or maybe even a couple of those people start getting flirty and even stalkerish. For some reason a voice has that power 🤔. Then you decide it's best to quit and end the harrassment....easier to leave quietly, no drama. You change your @name.

But wait!!! You even delete your discord and make a new discord account cos you dont want any traces of your time there left behind. But then one day, a yr later you join same guild...the guild name seems familiar, many do after a while, unfortunately....then when you join their discord you realise your old texts reappear but with your new discord #tag on there too...Quitting the guild never deleted your texts on discord, deleting your discord account never deleted anything infact they now know your new eso @name too

I never misbehave in guilds or post anything inappropriate but i may leave due to my severe social anxiety when it gets the better of me or due to some individual stalking me. Quitting a guild leaves me feeling morose and like a failure, its not fun. Its something i like to leave buried in the past. I was made aware of how invasive discord is when i rejoined an old guild accidently. I dont want this to happen to you. I left because a couple of people took it upon themselves to pursue me without my consent. If you change your discord name dont think you have deleted your presence it remains there forever.

Its similar to the eso ingame ignore list...if someone puts you on ignore first, they will forever know your @name essentially. I understand 100% that some of you wont care about this, its fine we are all different but for those of us that take our privacy seriously for reasons it is a huge issue.

Ty for reading and thank if you left a reply.

ArchMikem

Recent wrote: »

to pursue me without my consent.

....hmm.

I've never used Discord. My use of social messaging stopped with Skype and since then I decided it's not worth it downloading the next fad messenger program just to communicate with people playing a game, when game's already have built in chatting and voice. But yes you should expect messenger programs like Discord and Skype would have Histories logged. I have no idea what Discord's policies/settings are regarding chat logs, but it's possible since you rejoined an old Guild, the Guild's Discord server saved your chat log. Maybe it's based on IP address? I'm guessing now.

You do know if players are legitimately harassing you, that is reportable to Zenimax.

Narvuntien

That sucks creepy people ruining your gameplay experience. I hope you reported them to the guild leaders (hopefully they aren't the actual leaders).

I avoid discord because, to be honest, it ruins my immersion. But I still need to log into it for trials, my guild allows the option to be muted and listening at least. But perhaps for healers and tanks that need to do that "My Horn" thing I see on YT videos.

asuitandtyb14_ESO

Alright...

I mean, you could just try to have a conversation about it, like "Hey, you're making me a bit uncomfortable because X and Y, can you not do that?"

But, if you really want to flee, that's cool. I just don't think this is at all a common situation in which most people will face and have to deal with. Pay attention to clan names, if anything.

edges_endgame

asuitandtyb14_ESO wrote: »

Alright...

I mean, you could just try to have a conversation about it, like "Hey, you're making me a bit uncomfortable because X and Y, can you not do that?"

But, if you really want to flee, that's cool. I just don't think this is at all a common situation in which most people will face and have to deal with. Pay attention to clan names, if anything.

It's not that uncommon. It happened to me. Twice.

Aznarb

Don't blame the tool, blame the users.
Discord, and any voice programme I've use since I started playing mmorpg just made my game experience so much more fun and give me the chance to encounter some amazing people that after 12 years of not playing the same game anymore we still in touch

Ofc, like in real like you'll encounter some *** time to time, happen 3 time to me in these 12 years, so, pretty ok I think.
And that not even a problem, speak with them to fix the issue, if not fixed, speak with guild leader, and last, if really it's not, leave, block him and all harasser : done.

I almost don't speak the 1st week on a new disc because I take this time to listen and see how it is. If it don't fit me I just leave after leaving a message about it to the guild leader.

Last : if someone harass you, it's punishable by law, internet is NOT a no-right place like some think.
If it's happen, report the guy to the discord staff.

I'm sorry you experience such an horrible issue, like I said, for me it's an amazing tool that just made my game experience even better. You just don't have find the right people to have fun with.

LadyNalcarya

Well, first of all, Discord actually bans people who break rules (I personally reported someone and after a while they became "deleted user"). And if we're talking about cyberstalking, it's not just against their rules, it's against the law in many countries and can be reported to the police. It might be difficult to investigate, but still worth a try.
And of course, if something like this happens, you need to tell your guild leader/officers about it. If they're reasonable people, the offender will be kicked from the guild or at the very least warned, and if not... Then you shouldn't feel guilty for leaving, because enablers are just as bad as offenders. It is important to report these kinds of situations, this way you won't just do something to protect yourself, you can also protect their potential future victims.
Unfortunately, there are nasty people everywhere, no community is safe from them. It's not Discord's fault that it's used by bad people.

Jeremy

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So you join a guild, make lots of friends then you get on voice and someone or maybe even a couple of those people start getting flirty and even stalkerish. For some reason a voice has that power 🤔. Then you decide it's best to quit and end the harrassment....easier to leave quietly, no drama. You change your @name.

But wait!!! You even delete your discord and make a new discord account cos you dont want any traces of your time there left behind. But then one day, a yr later you join same guild...the guild name seems familiar, many do after a while, unfortunately....then when you join their discord you realise your old texts reappear but with your new discord #tag on there too...Quitting the guild never deleted your texts on discord, deleting your discord account never deleted anything infact they now know your new eso @name too

I never misbehave in guilds or post anything inappropriate but i may leave due to my severe social anxiety when it gets the better of me or due to some individual stalking me. Quitting a guild leaves me feeling morose and like a failure, its not fun. Its something i like to leave buried in the past. I was made aware of how invasive discord is when i rejoined an old guild accidently. I dont want this to happen to you. I left because a couple of people took it upon themselves to pursue me without my consent. If you change your discord name dont think you have deleted your presence it remains there forever.

Its similar to the eso ingame ignore list...if someone puts you on ignore first, they will forever know your @name essentially. I understand 100% that some of you wont care about this, its fine we are all different but for those of us that take our privacy seriously for reasons it is a huge issue.

Ty for reading and thank if you left a reply.

That's part of this brave new online world we live in. Your digital imprint is forever. It's not just on discord, but everything you type or post online is still saved somewhere no matter how many times you delete it, change your name or account. So remember that.

I don't think privacy and the internet can coexist to be honest with you.

Fuzzybrick

Ehhh...
I'm told I need discord....
I reply. "No"

anitajoneb17_ESO

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A guild is a collective thing. It only exists through the commitment of its members. The guild management is extremely important because it has to allow the individual involvements to happen and to connect and to evolve into a collective thing. Yet the input that makes it a pleasant guild comes from all members. [snip]

As to Discord remembering your old messages : that's normal. If everyone was able to delete their posting history, conversations would make no sense for later readers.
As to Discord connecting your new ESO @name with your new Discord ID and therefore with your old Discord ID, that's only possible if YOU on YOUR computer have allowed account linking. There's a setting somewhere in your computer that can fix this.

[Edited to remove Baiting]

mairwen85

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

As to Discord remembering your old messages : that's normal. If everyone was able to delete their posting history, conversations would make no sense for later readers.
As to Discord connecting your new ESO @name with your new Discord ID and therefore with your old Discord ID, that's only possible if YOU on YOUR computer have allowed account linking. There's a setting somewhere in your computer that can fix this.

Discord does actually allow users to control the information they post. If you're willing to put the time in, you can delete all your activity from discord before leaving. You can simply search your @ and delete all results that the search returns. A new ID using the original account to register will always be the same account, just like changing your ESO account name just updates your account name--for a wholly new discord ID (account), you need to register a new account.

Honestly, I don't understand OP's issue here. If returning to an old guild/discord server with a new ID meant they didn't want former guild mates to know who they were or be able to connect them to older messages, that's kind of suspicious. If it's because they felt harassed or whatever by former guild mates, they should have reported that to the guild officers/server admin so that offending persons could be dealt with. You can't cross-server message anyone in discord unless that other person is in your friend's list or same server.

Sounds more like OP is creating an issue where there isn't one due to lack of knowledge and understanding of the tool.

essi2

To make a fresh Discord account you probably need to use a new email address if I had to guess.

Although to be frank, Discords account management is a garbage fire. I've had users create multiple new accounts on accident with new UserID on the same email aswell, though that might be because their original UID never got deleted.

Who *** knows, it's a mess.

PS. Yes, every app, game, website, forum, operating system, digital storefront etc. remembers everything you type(sometimes even what you say) and do. The way Discord surfaced it to you if shocking is atleast honest.

Online privacy is not impossible, but it requires an unreasonable level of work on the part of the user and when it comes to Discord, Facebook, Instagram and other major online services it just isn't something that will ever be even half as good as it should be, on all of these platforms YOU are the currency that keeps them relevant to their corporate customers.

Tranquilizer

Fuzzybrick wrote: »

Ehhh...
I'm told I need discord....
I reply. "No"

Haha, yes, this in a nutshell

When I came back to eso some time ago I explicitly looked for a guild using teamspeak rather than discord for their voice com. Too many privacy issues.

mairwen85

essi2 wrote: »

Online privacy is not impossible, but it requires an unreasonable level of work on the part of the user and when it comes to Discord, Facebook, Instagram and other major online services it just isn't something that will ever be even half as good as it should be, on all of these platforms YOU are the currency that keeps them relevant to their corporate customers.

https://www.windowsdispatch.com/find-deleted-messages-discord/

https://cybernews.com/privacy/discord-privacy-tips-that-you-should-use-in-2020/

https://onezero.medium.com/inside-discords-security-overhaul-bf2e7de23ba5

anitajoneb17_ESO

Tranquilizer wrote: »

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Fuzzybrick wrote: »

Ehhh...
I'm told I need discord....
I reply. "No"

Haha, yes, this in a nutshell

When I came back to eso some time ago I explicitly looked for a guild using teamspeak rather than discord for their voice com. Too many privacy issues.

And did you find any ?
I, too, prefer TeamSpeak over everything else. But all guilds, even the hardest TS-oldtimers, switch to Discord, one after the next.
Discord being free is an argument that seems to beat everything else, unfortunately. And also the part where it replaces the guild forum, too.
Privacy is a factor that is highly praised in words and has a very low weight in acts. Hence the success of all "free" giant companies like FaceBook, Instagram, Discord, etc. And, of course, Google.

lolo_01b16_ESO

You most likely made some mistake when creating a new discord account. Maybe you used the same email or didn't delete all discord files from your pc.
It's certainly possible to create a new account that is not linked to the old one.

EdmondDontes

Discord is a data mining service. That's why the OP had the experience they had.

Stick with TeamSpeak. It's base application is free and it's not a data mining service.

The rule of thumb with social media and programs like Discord is simple. If they give it to you for free, your user history and profile is the product they are selling.

Danikat

Here's a few bits of advice:

1) When joining a guild ask if they use/require voice chat and choose one which doesn't. I'm currently in 2 ESO guilds, one does not use any external programs (although members are free to use a voice chat program if they want when doing dungeons/trials etc. - that's for the group to decide) and the other has an optional Discord but never uses it for voice chat.

I've also encountered guilds which do use voice chat but say it's optional. Sometimes that doesn't work in practice because the majority use it so it's not practical to avoid it. (I was briefly in a guild where I thought all my questions were just being ignored, then found out they were answering questions I'd typed into guild chat via a Discord voice channel they should be able to see I was not part of. ) But in others it's genuinely optional and it just means you'll miss out on some of the conversations which happen there.

2) If you leave a guild because you have a bad experience write the name down somewhere and then check the list when you're considering joining a new guild. I'm happy to say my list is very short (2 GW2 guilds and 1 ESO guild, after 8 and 5 years respectively) but it's still useful, especially because 2 of those I still see advertising and their advert sounds ideal for me, it's just that the reality is not so nice.

mairwen85

EdmondDontes wrote: »

Stick with TeamSpeak. It's base application is free and it's not a data mining service.

The rule of thumb with social media and programs like Discord is simple. If they give it to you for free, your user history and profile is the product they are selling.

Weighing off if these 2 statements quoted are compatible

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For actual/real information

Teamspeak privacy ToS:
https://www.teamspeak.com/en/privacy-and-terms/#_Toc524517551

Discord privacy ToS:
https://discord.com/privacy

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In addition:
https://www.quora.com/How-does-Discord-make-money

linuxlady

Will never use discord. If its a requirement for your guild then your guild is not for me.

EdmondDontes

mairwen85 wrote: »

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EdmondDontes wrote: »

Stick with TeamSpeak. It's base application is free and it's not a data mining service.

The rule of thumb with social media and programs like Discord is simple. If they give it to you for free, your user history and profile is the product they are selling.

Weighing off if these 2 statements quoted are compatible

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For actual/real information

Teamspeak privacy ToS:
https://www.teamspeak.com/en/privacy-and-terms/#_Toc524517551

Discord privacy ToS:
https://discord.com/privacy

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In addition:
https://www.quora.com/How-does-Discord-make-money

https://www.windowsdispatch.com/find-deleted-messages-discord/

https://cybernews.com/privacy/discord-privacy-tips-that-you-should-use-in-2020/

https://onezero.medium.com/inside-discords-security-overhaul-bf2e7de23ba5

Did you read any of the links you posted earlier in this thread?

The rule of thumb with social media and programs like Discord is simple. If they give it to you for free, your user history and profile is the product they are selling.

mairwen85

EdmondDontes wrote: »

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mairwen85 wrote: »

EdmondDontes wrote: »

Stick with TeamSpeak. It's base application is free and it's not a data mining service.

The rule of thumb with social media and programs like Discord is simple. If they give it to you for free, your user history and profile is the product they are selling.

Weighing off if these 2 statements quoted are compatible

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For actual/real information

Teamspeak privacy ToS:
https://www.teamspeak.com/en/privacy-and-terms/#_Toc524517551

Discord privacy ToS:
https://discord.com/privacy

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In addition:
https://www.quora.com/How-does-Discord-make-money

https://www.windowsdispatch.com/find-deleted-messages-discord/

https://cybernews.com/privacy/discord-privacy-tips-that-you-should-use-in-2020/

https://onezero.medium.com/inside-discords-security-overhaul-bf2e7de23ba5

Did you read any of the links you posted earlier in this thread?

The rule of thumb with social media and programs like Discord is simple. If they give it to you for free, your user history and profile is the product they are selling.

I did (and am wondering if you did), just providing unbiased factual information

Rule of thumb, read the EULA / ToS

Vayln_Ninetails

People really be playing an online MMO and get all grouchy when they're told they need Discord.

Man, that's crazy. Almost like it's the best video game community platform....

This isn't to you OP, but to all of those on this thread that are like 'No DiScOrD'

Vayln_Ninetails

mairwen85 wrote: »

Sounds more like OP is creating an issue where there isn't one due to lack of knowledge and understanding of the tool.

Big agree. Like most of the people on this thread that have their tin foil hats on trying to say Discord is apparently evil or something.


Never saw a thread full of entitled, weird complaints before such as this one.

Discord is fun, efficient, easy to use. It's where the majority of gaming communities are. No *** guilds ask for you to join them.

Elwendryll

Thanks @mairwen85 for the links

I have a light background in cybersecurity, and I use discord a lot. I've owned several servers, and honestly, while saying a company is trustworthy is always a stretch, I truly believe discord as a company ins't interested in selling your data.

I'm really careful about keeping my discord server a safe place, and I have members with social anxiety. You can't message privately someone without sharing a server with them or being friends, getting stalked can be prevented quite easily, especially if you have social anxiety and you only join small groups. Recreating an account is very straightforward, just changing your username will do nothing, your friends will still be your friends, your old messages will update with your new username, it's not meant to be a way to go incognito, it's literally just changing your username, like you change an outfit on eso. I can hardly see how this is something bad, if your plan is to disappear, just create a new account. If you want to delete old messages, you can do it manually, or have your server owners do it.

Blame the users, if you have a bad experience, this isn't discord's fault, toxic people are everywhere. It's up to you to join groups that aren't toxic, think about your own well being, make sure to surround yourself with positive people. If you have a bad experience, talk with the server owners, block the users. I know online harrassment is a serious thing, especially when you're a female. I want to believe my discord server is free of this kind of behavior and that people feel comfortable here, but I can never be sure, I do my best to provide a very friendly environment, and I'm pretty sure most server owners do the same. I've witnessed enough drama in the past, I'm making sure to keep it out of my own guild.

On the discord vs TS3, I know TS3 isn't used nearly as much as it was, but I have to agree that it offers more possibilities when it comes to settings, if you know what you're doing.

Anyway, I hope you'll have better experiences in the future. You still have the option to delete your messages, it doesn't stay forever. If you want to make things easier create a new account, then find a nice guild where people won't try to flirt with you on every occasion, if it happens in every single server your join... then I would maybe start reflecting on my own attitude. Take care

TL;DR: Don't join servers with toxic people, talk to your admins, block users, changing username doesn't make you erase all your history, and it shouldn't.

Tsar_Gekkou

Changing your discord name still leaves you linked to the server. You have to make a new account and you'll be free of your old texts. And you can just delete your texts anyway before moving to a fresh account.

SilverBride

I hate everything about Discord. The very first thing I noticed was that there is no way in the program to shut it down. You have to go to the task bar, right click its icon, and close it there. It's like they are trying to force you into leaving it running in the background.

Then the other day a friend said I sent you some links to some songs and some memes. I finally found them and wanted to delete them, because I was not interested, but found no way to do so. So I asked him how to delete them and he said I can't.

Discord is way too invasive for me and I'm done with it.

The problem in ESO is every guild I see requires it.

mairwen85

SilverBride wrote: »

I hate everything about Discord. The very first thing I noticed was that there is no way in the program to shut it down. You have to go to the task bar, right click its icon, and close it there. It's like they are trying to force you into leaving it running in the background.

Then the other day a friend said I sent you some links to some songs and some memes. I finally found them and wanted to delete them, because I was not interested, but found no way to do so. So I asked him how to delete them and he said I can't.

Discord is way too invasive for me and I'm done with it.

The problem in ESO is every guild I see requires it.

https://www.techjunkie.com/delete-all-messages-discord/

TwinLamps

Not sure if this is related to ESO but ok

idk

Discord is not an ESO or Zos issue.

Beyond that, it is upon each person to join guilds that have good and responsible guild leaders to handle members that harass other members. Ofc, if the harassment is occurring in-game then report them to Zos, take SS and video grabs for evidence.

In the end, if you have to leave a guild because the leadership is to lame to take care of such harassment then it does really behoove anyone to remember such a guild and take care not to join it again.

This is not a discord problem but a guild leadership problem and a memory problem.

redspecter23

If the Discords you are a member of are stalkerish, that's not a Discord problem. That's a people problem. Try to find better people to hang out with.