Dark Passions Regalia Flap

Radiance

The call for Flap Toggle setting has never been stronger!

I'd also like a separate Hip pad toggle setting, thanks.

idk

I really cannot believe Zos thought having such a large flap was such a good idea. With the flap, especially so large, it is the most absurd costume I have seen in this game.

It is so ugly and dumb looking.

RebornV3x

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

RebornV3x wrote: »

should just make 1 outfit thats is nothing but flaps

Be careful what you wish for...

Still Needs more flaps I can still see bare thigh and shoulders also no flaps on wrists and hands.

Nomadic_Atmoran

Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »

So, I ended up buying this from my free monthly Crown reserves (so no loss). It actually looked good on one of my characters. However, as soon as you run, the crotch flap kinetics kick in and the damn thing starts flipping up in the air and slapping you in the face. Seriously ZOS?

@ZOS_GinaBruno

You didn't expect them to actual Q/A a costume when they barely Q/A major changes to the game did you?

TheImperfect

It's subjective, a lot of hate for the flap. I quite like the outfit. It would be a nuisance to walk or fight in though, I can feel my thighs getting slivered.

Shagreth

Some mod actually went and deleted my comment from before, because some words were in caps?

Anyway, on topic, and I will repeat what I said earlier, with no caps this time so that no-one gets triggered: The shoes is what truly breaks it for me, should have been something more pointy, they kinda look like duck feet.

ArchMikem

I finally took a look at the costume and I see now the problem. The flap is covering up the "passions".

I agree the flap is completely unnecessary for a theme such as this. The revealed thighs, chest window, and shoulder patches really work while the entire rest of the body is covered in cloth and leather. The description literally claims it's meant to be seductive and a temptation. Not having that flap there would work toward that more so.

Varana

Maybe the designer is seduced and tempted by stiffly dangling pieces of some leathery substance? ;D

Kurat

The flap is there for a reason. Look at any medieval armors. I'd rather take arrow in the knee than in crotch.

LadyLethalla

Idk why they make coats that hug the backs of the thighs. I'm reasonably sure that no one in Tamriel has invented polyester or any other kind of man-made (or mer-made) fabric that would cause a static effect, so why, for smeg's sake, don't the tails just hang. STRAIGHT. DOWN.

As a seamstress it ruins mah immurshuns.

... but then again, after 5-6 years they still can't get horses' legs right, so...

doomette

Kurat wrote: »

The flap is there for a reason. Look at any medieval armors. I'd rather take arrow in the knee than in crotch.

But an arrow to the exposed chest is fine?

starkerealm

LadyLethalla wrote: »

Idk why they make coats that hug the backs of the thighs.

Animations. I'm fairly sure. The game doesn't support full cloth physics, which is why we don't have capes. I'm not 100% sure, but I suspect the flaps use pre-set animations. Those animations don't exist for flowing coats (or would be very obviously fudged if they were), so the skirts of our coats stick to our legs. Which looks terrible as well.

LadyLethalla

starkerealm wrote: »

LadyLethalla wrote: »

Idk why they make coats that hug the backs of the thighs.

Animations. I'm fairly sure. The game doesn't support full cloth physics, which is why we don't have capes. I'm not 100% sure, but I suspect the flaps use pre-set animations. Those animations don't exist for flowing coats (or would be very obviously fudged if they were), so the skirts of our coats stick to our legs. Which looks terrible as well.

Meh I'm sure they could have them hang straight down and just not move more than the damn flaps...
Come to think of it, it bugs me when armour flexes too, with movement. Picky, I know...

starkerealm

LadyLethalla wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

LadyLethalla wrote: »

Idk why they make coats that hug the backs of the thighs.

Animations. I'm fairly sure. The game doesn't support full cloth physics, which is why we don't have capes. I'm not 100% sure, but I suspect the flaps use pre-set animations. Those animations don't exist for flowing coats (or would be very obviously fudged if they were), so the skirts of our coats stick to our legs. Which looks terrible as well.

Meh I'm sure they could have them hang straight down and just not move more than the damn flaps...
Come to think of it, it bugs me when armour flexes too, with movement. Picky, I know...

No, I hear it. I mean, I think you could probably fake the coat skirts with standard animation loops, and very few players would ever know the distance. I even thing you could probably get some really dynamic visuals that way, but the decision has been to fuse them to the character's legs. Which look good when you're standing still, but look bizarre when you're moving or crouching.

OmniDo

They could just introduce a non-flap customization option, or allow for a "flap-less" version to be purchased.

Tsar_Gekkou

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Contaminate wrote: »

Malkiv wrote: »

Contaminate wrote: »

The whole premise of the costume is creepy at best. I know marketing teams think everyone playing their game is a hormonal 12 year old who’s never seen a woman before but please chill out

My wife went on about how much she loved this outfit for nearly 5 minutes. Different people have different tastes when it comes to style. Just because it shows skin doesn't automatically mean it's designed solely for the evil male gaze. I mean - really - you're suggesting women aren't part of the design team. Unfortunate, really.

Can’t wait to hear how Tera’s designs are targeted toward women because some women like the thong armor.

There’s a different between multiple communities liking something, and that thing being designed for a particular community. Not that this accomplished it on either front, the thing is ugly and reminds me of middle aged Walmart goers who think they’re rocking the booty shorts.

Some women do, some don't. Both options are valid, as long as it's individual's choice.
But the whole idea that female sexuality only exists to appease men is sexist af. There's plenty of women irl who buy lingerie, do makeup etc because they enjoy it (even if no one gets to see said lingerie). There are even modders like Krista (nsfw link), who actually like the whole armored bikini aesthetic.
Thing is, it's much more complicated then "catering to 12 year old boys". I don't care about this specific outfit, but I hate the notion that women, even digital ones, must be covered no matter what. Female body is not some filthy thing that must be hidden away.

People see women complaining about sexy stuff and seem to think that they're the majority. Plenty of women like characters who show a little skin here and there, but many people still hang on to the notion of "men like it so it's bad." And it's not like the costume is a skimpy bikini or something either. It just shows a little cleavage and leg, but people will complain about anything that isn't a nun outfit.

Lord-Otto

Tsar_Gekkou wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Contaminate wrote: »

Malkiv wrote: »

Contaminate wrote: »

The whole premise of the costume is creepy at best. I know marketing teams think everyone playing their game is a hormonal 12 year old who’s never seen a woman before but please chill out

My wife went on about how much she loved this outfit for nearly 5 minutes. Different people have different tastes when it comes to style. Just because it shows skin doesn't automatically mean it's designed solely for the evil male gaze. I mean - really - you're suggesting women aren't part of the design team. Unfortunate, really.

Can’t wait to hear how Tera’s designs are targeted toward women because some women like the thong armor.

There’s a different between multiple communities liking something, and that thing being designed for a particular community. Not that this accomplished it on either front, the thing is ugly and reminds me of middle aged Walmart goers who think they’re rocking the booty shorts.

Some women do, some don't. Both options are valid, as long as it's individual's choice.
But the whole idea that female sexuality only exists to appease men is sexist af. There's plenty of women irl who buy lingerie, do makeup etc because they enjoy it (even if no one gets to see said lingerie). There are even modders like Krista (nsfw link), who actually like the whole armored bikini aesthetic.
Thing is, it's much more complicated then "catering to 12 year old boys". I don't care about this specific outfit, but I hate the notion that women, even digital ones, must be covered no matter what. Female body is not some filthy thing that must be hidden away.

People see women complaining about sexy stuff and seem to think that they're the majority. Plenty of women like characters who show a little skin here and there, but many people still hang on to the notion of "men like it so it's bad." And it's not like the costume is a skimpy bikini or something either. It just shows a little cleavage and leg, but people will complain about anything that isn't a nun outfit.

Have you seen DS3's Lady Friede? Trust me, nun outfits don't immediately deflect men's attention.

Tsar_Gekkou

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Tsar_Gekkou wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

Contaminate wrote: »

Malkiv wrote: »

Contaminate wrote: »

The whole premise of the costume is creepy at best. I know marketing teams think everyone playing their game is a hormonal 12 year old who’s never seen a woman before but please chill out

My wife went on about how much she loved this outfit for nearly 5 minutes. Different people have different tastes when it comes to style. Just because it shows skin doesn't automatically mean it's designed solely for the evil male gaze. I mean - really - you're suggesting women aren't part of the design team. Unfortunate, really.

Can’t wait to hear how Tera’s designs are targeted toward women because some women like the thong armor.

There’s a different between multiple communities liking something, and that thing being designed for a particular community. Not that this accomplished it on either front, the thing is ugly and reminds me of middle aged Walmart goers who think they’re rocking the booty shorts.

Some women do, some don't. Both options are valid, as long as it's individual's choice.
But the whole idea that female sexuality only exists to appease men is sexist af. There's plenty of women irl who buy lingerie, do makeup etc because they enjoy it (even if no one gets to see said lingerie). There are even modders like Krista (nsfw link), who actually like the whole armored bikini aesthetic.
Thing is, it's much more complicated then "catering to 12 year old boys". I don't care about this specific outfit, but I hate the notion that women, even digital ones, must be covered no matter what. Female body is not some filthy thing that must be hidden away.

People see women complaining about sexy stuff and seem to think that they're the majority. Plenty of women like characters who show a little skin here and there, but many people still hang on to the notion of "men like it so it's bad." And it's not like the costume is a skimpy bikini or something either. It just shows a little cleavage and leg, but people will complain about anything that isn't a nun outfit.

Have you seen DS3's Lady Friede? Trust me, nun outfits don't immediately deflect men's attention.

Friede wasn't even cute. Ornifex is where it's at.

Moonsorrow

To those who wanna get a laugh.. try doing /whisperingclaw emote (if you have it) while wearing this Dark Passion regalia.. i mean those flaps do NOT with laws of physics.

Please ZOS: no more of these silly flaps to costumes and Outfit styles. Enough is enough.

Shagreth

I think that in the end, no matter how objectively bad the execution of this outfit is..nothing will change. Have they ever changed an outfit based on feedback?

Vevvev

Shagreth wrote: »

I think that in the end, no matter how objectively bad the execution of this outfit is..nothing will change. Have they ever changed an outfit based on feedback?

Not that I can think of, and there have been complaints about this outfit back in July.

Shagreth

Vevvev wrote: »

Not that I can think of, and there have been complaints about this outfit back in July.

Well, this is just sad.

Jaraal

Shagreth wrote: »

I think that in the end, no matter how objectively bad the execution of this outfit is..nothing will change. Have they ever changed an outfit based on feedback?

Yeah, they added hair to the Singing Skald costume, but only because their advertising showed it with hair and the players called them on it.

They didn't bother to fix the other hats, like the Dibella's Crescendo Tam and the Spirited Soubrette Round Cap. Unfortunate, as those are cool looking hats and I would have worn them with hair.

Kiyakotari

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

And anyway, none of ESO's costumes are intrinsicly male or female, right? They're just costumes that anyone can wear. ESO gives you that freedom to make your own choice.

While I generally agree with your sentiments, I do feel it's worth pointing out that there are a great number of older costumes that were sold as (and marketed as) being for female characters. Most are made in either Argonian or Bosmer style and have a short skirt on the bottom, and a bra-like top, though there are also some made in Redguard style with salwar pants and (again) a bra-like top, and there are a few others in other styles. While there are certainly other costumes in the game that were designed with either male or female characters in mind, these are notable because when put on a male character, the bra-like top remains, which discourages many (thought certainly not all) characters from equipping them on male character models.

At the same time, many players like the fact that the tops remain, so if the costumes were to be altered to bring them more in line with newer costume releases that provide different appearances for male and female toons (a good example of this is the Dark Shaman costume), it would be most appropriate to make the top/no top options something that could be toggled (even if only on male characters). Likewise, for costumes that offer a different top style for males already (such as the Noble Clan-Chief costume) that conforms to the development team's internal decency polies, this could be made something that is toggle-able for female characters as well as male.

In the end, I mostly chalk this up to another example of sexist bias in the game. (And I'm not saying, "I think the ESO team is sexist." I'm saying, "I think that design choices are being made in a manner that the team often isn't stopping to consider, because it seems natural to them, and those choices reflect internal bias, which is insidious and cannot truly be removed, only acknowledged and watched for.") Don't get me started on the polymorphs in ESO...

Kiyakotari

LadyLethalla wrote: »

Idk why they make coats that hug the backs of the thighs. I'm reasonably sure that no one in Tamriel has invented polyester or any other kind of man-made (or mer-made) fabric that would cause a static effect, so why, for smeg's sake, don't the tails just hang. STRAIGHT. DOWN.

I agree, but I'm guessing the coat issue is tied in with the reason we don't have capes in this game. They had some in the early development, but had to remove them because they crashed the game. The engine couldn't handle them.

Tsar_Gekkou

Shagreth wrote: »

I think that in the end, no matter how objectively bad the execution of this outfit is..nothing will change. Have they ever changed an outfit based on feedback?

I think one of the hat styles back in the old days looked like a klan hood and people trolled around as klan members for a while until zos permabanned them and changed how the hat looks.

craybest

i think it's time they actually get some cape physics, those coats tied to legs are the weirdest *** i've seen in years.

Shagreth

Tsar_Gekkou wrote: »

I think one of the hat styles back in the old days looked like a klan hood and people trolled around as klan members for a while until zos permabanned them and changed how the hat looks.

Well, I'm very against censoring but I can see how that would create some problems for the company. As for the tendency of making non revealing outfits, sign of the times I guess, nowadays everyone and everything gets offended, PC ***. I recall seeing not too long ago someone on these very forums getting banned for 'teabagging' someone in the game, and that was considered harassment.

As for feedback in general -- I think it would be fair criticism to say that they seem to ignore it altogether and/or are just super slow to act and make changes. I don't agree with this kind of way for these kind of games.

KaGaOri

driosketch wrote: »

How's the side view? I previewed on an Argonian, and it looked like there was a lot of separation between the flap and the boby.

Side view is the main reason I'm not touching it. No big fan of the flap (or flaps in general), but it looks okayish up front. From the side though, you could drive chariot between flap and the shorts. It just looks silly. And yes, even in the preview it flaps around like crazy. Thanks ZOS, but no thanks. My fem Dunmer is rocking Redoran motif right now (no flap on this one, you guys!) and will keep rocking it in forseeable future.

washbern

Is it because flaps cover the indecent exposure that may offend someone when my male orc does a man spread? I think so