FIX Horse Speed training or GIVE BACK RAPIDS

SamanthaCarter

Great change ZOS good job please don’t listen these players

Sarannah

Just remove rapids from the game, it is unfair that those who take the time to train their mounts every day are slower than those using 1 skillpoint.

Daemons_Bane

Sarannah wrote: »

Just remove rapids from the game, it is unfair that those who take the time to train their mounts every day are slower than those using 1 skillpoint.

Look at it this way instead.. it makes it easier for new guys/girls in PvP, to keep up with their teams.. so you could make it a PvP only skill instead

TwinLamps

Or at least rework adept rider to provide riding speed.
Atm it is possibly least useful set in entire game.
Make it give 15% riding speed as 5th bonus and I am sure lot of people will use it in both PvE and PvP to offset tha bug we are experiencing now. At least until bug is fixed, ofc.

Ratinira

TwinLamps wrote: »

Or at least rework adept rider to provide riding speed.
Atm it is possibly least useful set in entire game.
Make it give 15% riding speed as 5th bonus and I am sure lot of people will use it in both PvE and PvP to offset tha bug we are experiencing now. At least until bug is fixed, ofc.

I am not shure that pvp players will thought away 1 out of 2 pvp sets they are using to put on some +15% speed boost...

Starlight_Whisper

Radiance wrote: »

but... But... BUT Mount Training Lessons are on Sale in the Crown store right now!

Are they really?

Sylvermynx

Merforum wrote: »

Once you've gone through most quest on all 3 factions and get to leveling up your 14th toon, looking at all the scenery is more of a task than fun. BTW when you are leveling up a toon and don't pick up most of the shkyshards you will not be able to get all the passives/skills you want. At a minimum you want to do all the public dungeons to get 1 skyshard and kill main boss for skill point.

There's an addon that puts rapids on your bar every time you jump on horse, so you don't have to take up a skill slot. I am pretty sure this is one thing that if you use it you'll never want to go back.

Heh. I have 55 characters. I still love looking at the scenery no matter which one I'm playing. I pick up every skyshard on every character, but I'm not in a big hurry, and I don't run group content as my ping is WAY too high.

In other words, I'm not really interested in rushing hither thither and yon for any reason. I have rapids available on my 50s - I just don't have any interest in using it myself, and in fact, I've quit training speed to 60, 40 is plenty fast enough. I hope ZOS reverts the decision, but having been here quite a while now seeing how things go, I don't think it's likely.

Kiralyn2000

Starlight_Whisper wrote: »

Radiance wrote: »

but... But... BUT Mount Training Lessons are on Sale in the Crown store right now!

Are they really?

And still a total waste of crowns that I'd never expect anyone to buy. When you can just train your mount for 250g a day. Why would you ever waste crowns on something so stupid?


(and I'm another one of the "never used Rapids" people. Only 8 characters though. And I agree that it doesn't seem as commonly used as some think - at least, the only time I've seen it used is during things like the Jester festival, when there'd be a bunch of people riding between the Wayshrines and - for ex - the Thalmor college, and once in awhile, a single player would speed off faster than the rest. But it was pretty rare.)

SilverBride

Ratinira wrote: »

Also, if you even never heard of rapids you don't use vigor, so, what's the point?

SilverBride wrote: »

I think everyone is greatly exaggerating how many people used rapids. I had never even heard of it until all these threads started popping up, and I'm far from the only one.

I obviously know about them now.

BigBragg

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

There is nothing to fix with mount training.. it works as intended.. and come on, it takes 1-2 hours tops to get rapid

How? It takes 15 minutes to get to the next keep, and BGs provide a steady flow of AP but no enough to level that fast.

TwinLamps

Ratinira wrote: »

TwinLamps wrote: »

Or at least rework adept rider to provide riding speed.
Atm it is possibly least useful set in entire game.
Make it give 15% riding speed as 5th bonus and I am sure lot of people will use it in both PvE and PvP to offset tha bug we are experiencing now. At least until bug is fixed, ofc.

I am not shure that pvp players will thought away 1 out of 2 pvp sets they are using to put on some +15% speed boost...

Having to ride from crops at best to bloodmayne every 15 minutes or so would surely be less annoying with some riding boost beside ones we already have. Ofc it wouldnt be combat set of choice but as utility it would outshine whatever adept rider is supposed to be

TineaCruris

idk wrote: »

^^^^

Zos has already provided the solution to quick training for us.

Sure enough. It's all about promoting crown store sales and reducing financial inputs to a minimum now.

SydneyGrey

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

There is nothing to fix with mount training.. it works as intended.. and come on, it takes 1-2 hours tops to get rapid

If that's true, then why did they have to move Vigor in the first place? After all, it would have only taken 1-2 hours tops to get Vigor.

Merforum

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

There is nothing to fix with mount training.. it works as intended.. and come on, it takes 1-2 hours tops to get rapid

If that's true, then why did they have to move Vigor in the first place? After all, it would have only taken 1-2 hours tops to get Vigor.

Exactly right. And Vigor isn't even an ASSAULT based skill, much more in like as SUPPORT. They should have just swapped Vigor with Siege Shield and everyone would be happy because anyone using Siege Shield would only be PVP players.

Or better yet since SOUL MAGIC only has one skill they could have put Rapids there, and Vigor too. Since it is way more realistic that people will do the main quests to get those rather than forcing non-PVP who actually hate PVP to have to play PVP.

It was very luckily that I literally got 8 toons to level 5 or 6 during MYM. Out of 13 I only have 1 without Rapids at the moment. Guess I'll have to bring my new Stam Warden into BG and see how long it actually takes to level up.

Merforum

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

Once you've gone through most quest on all 3 factions and get to leveling up your 14th toon, looking at all the scenery is more of a task than fun. BTW when you are leveling up a toon and don't pick up most of the shkyshards you will not be able to get all the passives/skills you want. At a minimum you want to do all the public dungeons to get 1 skyshard and kill main boss for skill point.

There's an addon that puts rapids on your bar every time you jump on horse, so you don't have to take up a skill slot. I am pretty sure this is one thing that if you use it you'll never want to go back.

Heh. I have 55 characters. I still love looking at the scenery no matter which one I'm playing. I pick up every skyshard on every character, but I'm not in a big hurry, and I don't run group content as my ping is WAY too high.

In other words, I'm not really interested in rushing hither thither and yon for any reason. I have rapids available on my 50s - I just don't have any interest in using it myself, and in fact, I've quit training speed to 60, 40 is plenty fast enough. I hope ZOS reverts the decision, but having been here quite a while now seeing how things go, I don't think it's likely.

My point of this thread is I should be at 34% speed boost at the moment but my running speed is faster on my horse. But with Rapids which gives 30% boost, it was noticeably faster normal sprint just a month ago. So they need to either change the tooltip or make it work correctly. Anyway, 34 days of logging in and paying the stable boy should make my horse at least as fast as a skill which used to be easy to get, and still can get in 1 day.

And as another person stated, this change was taking something that lots of people used literally every time they get on a horse, and it was just taken away. Also like I said the most important time to have this skill was precisely when you got it at around level 10 and first time taking a toon to cyrodiil. To go from 10-50 in about 4 days.

I have arthritis, so I have to plan what I'm able to do each day before my fingers get worn out. Horse speed helps, not having to do PVP BS helps a lot. I physically can't mash buttons like others. MANY people are very negatively affected by Rapids change, especially since it was totally unnecessary, but if you aren't one of those people why not be supportive of us rather than pontificate about stuff that doesn't have anything to do with the issue.

jircris11

Jayroo wrote: »

rumple9 wrote: »

In the time people have been complaining (weeks), they could have got rapids by now

for real, I have 11 cp characters and they all pretty much had to undergo like an hour of pvp to get to healing before the change. It's not a big deal. [snip]

[Edited for Baiting]

I had to pvp for 2 weeks to get vigor, no thanks.

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Casul

SydneyGrey wrote: »

rumple9 wrote: »

In the time people have been complaining (weeks), they could have got rapids by now

I guess people had better prepare for a whole lot of clueless newbies in Battlegrounds, then, because YOU try getting Rapids on a new character that has less than a few weeks of mount training on it.

I did. In Sub 50 I got rank 10 and emperor before I left. Level 10-28.

Sylvermynx

Merforum wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

Once you've gone through most quest on all 3 factions and get to leveling up your 14th toon, looking at all the scenery is more of a task than fun. BTW when you are leveling up a toon and don't pick up most of the shkyshards you will not be able to get all the passives/skills you want. At a minimum you want to do all the public dungeons to get 1 skyshard and kill main boss for skill point.

There's an addon that puts rapids on your bar every time you jump on horse, so you don't have to take up a skill slot. I am pretty sure this is one thing that if you use it you'll never want to go back.

Heh. I have 55 characters. I still love looking at the scenery no matter which one I'm playing. I pick up every skyshard on every character, but I'm not in a big hurry, and I don't run group content as my ping is WAY too high.

In other words, I'm not really interested in rushing hither thither and yon for any reason. I have rapids available on my 50s - I just don't have any interest in using it myself, and in fact, I've quit training speed to 60, 40 is plenty fast enough. I hope ZOS reverts the decision, but having been here quite a while now seeing how things go, I don't think it's likely.

My point of this thread is I should be at 34% speed boost at the moment but my running speed is faster on my horse. But with Rapids which gives 30% boost, it was noticeably faster normal sprint just a month ago. So they need to either change the tooltip or make it work correctly. Anyway, 34 days of logging in and paying the stable boy should make my horse at least as fast as a skill which used to be easy to get, and still can get in 1 day.

And as another person stated, this change was taking something that lots of people used literally every time they get on a horse, and it was just taken away. Also like I said the most important time to have this skill was precisely when you got it at around level 10 and first time taking a toon to cyrodiil. To go from 10-50 in about 4 days.

I have arthritis, so I have to plan what I'm able to do each day before my fingers get worn out. Horse speed helps, not having to do PVP BS helps a lot. I physically can't mash buttons like others. MANY people are very negatively affected by Rapids change, especially since it was totally unnecessary, but if you aren't one of those people why not be supportive of us rather than pontificate about stuff that doesn't have anything to do with the issue.

I've said I hope ZOS reverts the change. Twice in this thread and at least once in the other one. If you don't think that's supportive....

CowNRB

Like i did say the real issue is how we upgrade our mounts. But i don't think ZoS will change that. Like either they could do account wide training so its not so painful or reduce the time by half

SilverBride

CowNRB wrote: »

Like i did say the real issue is how we upgrade our mounts. But i don't think ZoS will change that.

I so agree with this. To fully train your mount in all three areas takes 6 months... that is probably why a lot of people only train speed.

Jpk0012

I never used rapids until I read about it on the forums. I used to grind for vigor on all my stam chars(I like pvp so its not really grinding). Its way overrated, and drains stamina. I know people like to slot it, but to me it just lowers DPS and there are other skills that can heal incidental damage or give a damage shield(hello brawler).

Daemons_Bane

BigBragg wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

There is nothing to fix with mount training.. it works as intended.. and come on, it takes 1-2 hours tops to get rapid

How? It takes 15 minutes to get to the next keep, and BGs provide a steady flow of AP but no enough to level that fast.

If you solo run, then yes it could take longer.. I assumed you would be in a group when you farmed AP in Cyrodill.. My clan does Sunday fun runs, and we all got it in those 2 hours, flipping keeps and fighting those in the way

Ri_Khan

I could care less about the rapids/vigor change however, since it was implemented, several of my characters now sprint faster on foot than they can on a fully upgraded mount.

It needs to be fixed already.

Linaleah

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

CowNRB wrote: »

To be fair i enjoy going slow in pve and its not a must to have a fast horse in pve too so idky there are so many post about this.. Like vigor is needed if you solo as a stam player so in my book it was a good change. Like sure they could change how to get rapids but i feel the real issue is the mount training stuff in the 1st place then the skill it self

Well.... I'm using vigor on a couple of "lowerbie" stamblades. I only solo.... and I'm not finding it all that useful, because stam sustain at lower levels is just crap. So by the time I need a heal, I'm usually out of stam! And my stamdens are all but one 50 (two over 160 CP, one at just 60 right now) so I don't really need it for them. Of course, I've never used rapids, so I don't have a horse in that race anyway (pun intended).

Far as I'm concerned, they can swap them back - I won't mind, and it sure will make a lot of people happier.

Overall some of the changes were OK, but Rapids change and skill cost increase on vamp are just dumb.

BTW I almost never used vigor on any of 6 Stam toons NO PROB, and tested it recently and it is NOT even close to as useful as Rapids. BTW I am talking about when leveling a toon from 10-50, that is when Rapids is most useful, when you run around picking up skyshards, lorebooks, psyjic quest, delves, etc.

Eh, I honestly have never used rapids. And really, vigor isn't a big deal for me.

I.... well, I'm just not into rushing around the game world as fast as possible. Not my thing.... not at all. I have all the time in whatever's left of my life to enjoy this game. I do get that people who haven't a lot of time to play are very unhappy with this particular change.

I also get that ZOS does what it does, and I really don't believe that they are going to change this.

honestly, and this is just my preference, i feel like there is a time and place for smelling the roses and for getting things done. when I'm on my way to work or an appointment or just about anything else - the point is getting to my destination as quickly as possible. but I also enjoy just going for walks with no specific destination in sight, just taking in my surroundings and oftentimes stopping to take pictures etc. taking it slow IS the point for these walks. but not every walk or ride I take are like that. so when I have a specific goal I want to get to, taking the time means my goal is farther and further away the more time I take. you know?

context.

in ESO, I've done dungeons for the story, while walking and taking in everything and listening to every dialogue option. not just reading - listening for the voice overs. I've also done speed runs. willingly. because goals and context differs and that is ok!

part of it though is because I know that life is short and there are so many things I'd like to experience before I'm gone, that taking my time is a deliberate choice, NOT something I'm stuck with because game developer decided that I shouldn't anymore.

Linaleah

Sarannah wrote: »

Just remove rapids from the game, it is unfair that those who take the time to train their mounts every day are slower than those using 1 skillpoint.

you are still bringing up this argument and it STILL doesn't make any sense, because rapids was available to every. single. person reaching lvl 10. it was the ULTIMATE fair skill. every person whether they level their mounts or not? had fast and easy acess to rapids. it is FAR more fair then people with a lot of in RL cash being able to skip every day leveling by buying training books, vs someone who cannot casually throw that much money on a game and has to do it the long way.

Sylvermynx

Linaleah wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

CowNRB wrote: »

To be fair i enjoy going slow in pve and its not a must to have a fast horse in pve too so idky there are so many post about this.. Like vigor is needed if you solo as a stam player so in my book it was a good change. Like sure they could change how to get rapids but i feel the real issue is the mount training stuff in the 1st place then the skill it self

Well.... I'm using vigor on a couple of "lowerbie" stamblades. I only solo.... and I'm not finding it all that useful, because stam sustain at lower levels is just crap. So by the time I need a heal, I'm usually out of stam! And my stamdens are all but one 50 (two over 160 CP, one at just 60 right now) so I don't really need it for them. Of course, I've never used rapids, so I don't have a horse in that race anyway (pun intended).

Far as I'm concerned, they can swap them back - I won't mind, and it sure will make a lot of people happier.

Overall some of the changes were OK, but Rapids change and skill cost increase on vamp are just dumb.

BTW I almost never used vigor on any of 6 Stam toons NO PROB, and tested it recently and it is NOT even close to as useful as Rapids. BTW I am talking about when leveling a toon from 10-50, that is when Rapids is most useful, when you run around picking up skyshards, lorebooks, psyjic quest, delves, etc.

Eh, I honestly have never used rapids. And really, vigor isn't a big deal for me.

I.... well, I'm just not into rushing around the game world as fast as possible. Not my thing.... not at all. I have all the time in whatever's left of my life to enjoy this game. I do get that people who haven't a lot of time to play are very unhappy with this particular change.

I also get that ZOS does what it does, and I really don't believe that they are going to change this.

honestly, and this is just my preference, i feel like there is a time and place for smelling the roses and for getting things done. when I'm on my way to work or an appointment or just about anything else - the point is getting to my destination as quickly as possible. but I also enjoy just going for walks with no specific destination in sight, just taking in my surroundings and oftentimes stopping to take pictures etc. taking it slow IS the point for these walks. but not every walk or ride I take are like that. so when I have a specific goal I want to get to, taking the time means my goal is farther and further away the more time I take. you know?

context.

in ESO, I've done dungeons for the story, while walking and taking in everything and listening to every dialogue option. not just reading - listening for the voice overs. I've also done speed runs. willingly. because goals and context differs and that is ok!

part of it though is because I know that life is short and there are so many things I'd like to experience before I'm gone, that taking my time is a deliberate choice, NOT something I'm stuck with because game developer decided that I shouldn't anymore.

Lin.... I'm 73. I might live to be 100 (based on genetics, three grandparents who were over 100 when they died - and of course they didn't have the good medical or good food we have now) - but if I do, the chances are this game won't be around, and maybe even TES VI or VII won't happen.

Sure life is limited. But my attitude is that doing what I love is the single most important thing. I'd love to be an Altmer for real - because life is fun, and I don't want it to ever end. Unfortunately.... that's not any sort of possible.

Linaleah

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Linaleah wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

CowNRB wrote: »

To be fair i enjoy going slow in pve and its not a must to have a fast horse in pve too so idky there are so many post about this.. Like vigor is needed if you solo as a stam player so in my book it was a good change. Like sure they could change how to get rapids but i feel the real issue is the mount training stuff in the 1st place then the skill it self

Well.... I'm using vigor on a couple of "lowerbie" stamblades. I only solo.... and I'm not finding it all that useful, because stam sustain at lower levels is just crap. So by the time I need a heal, I'm usually out of stam! And my stamdens are all but one 50 (two over 160 CP, one at just 60 right now) so I don't really need it for them. Of course, I've never used rapids, so I don't have a horse in that race anyway (pun intended).

Far as I'm concerned, they can swap them back - I won't mind, and it sure will make a lot of people happier.

Overall some of the changes were OK, but Rapids change and skill cost increase on vamp are just dumb.

BTW I almost never used vigor on any of 6 Stam toons NO PROB, and tested it recently and it is NOT even close to as useful as Rapids. BTW I am talking about when leveling a toon from 10-50, that is when Rapids is most useful, when you run around picking up skyshards, lorebooks, psyjic quest, delves, etc.

Eh, I honestly have never used rapids. And really, vigor isn't a big deal for me.

I.... well, I'm just not into rushing around the game world as fast as possible. Not my thing.... not at all. I have all the time in whatever's left of my life to enjoy this game. I do get that people who haven't a lot of time to play are very unhappy with this particular change.

I also get that ZOS does what it does, and I really don't believe that they are going to change this.

honestly, and this is just my preference, i feel like there is a time and place for smelling the roses and for getting things done. when I'm on my way to work or an appointment or just about anything else - the point is getting to my destination as quickly as possible. but I also enjoy just going for walks with no specific destination in sight, just taking in my surroundings and oftentimes stopping to take pictures etc. taking it slow IS the point for these walks. but not every walk or ride I take are like that. so when I have a specific goal I want to get to, taking the time means my goal is farther and further away the more time I take. you know?

context.

in ESO, I've done dungeons for the story, while walking and taking in everything and listening to every dialogue option. not just reading - listening for the voice overs. I've also done speed runs. willingly. because goals and context differs and that is ok!

part of it though is because I know that life is short and there are so many things I'd like to experience before I'm gone, that taking my time is a deliberate choice, NOT something I'm stuck with because game developer decided that I shouldn't anymore.

Lin.... I'm 73. I might live to be 100 (based on genetics, three grandparents who were over 100 when they died - and of course they didn't have the good medical or good food we have now) - but if I do, the chances are this game won't be around, and maybe even TES VI or VII won't happen.

Sure life is limited. But my attitude is that doing what I love is the single most important thing. I'd love to be an Altmer for real - because life is fun, and I don't want it to ever end. Unfortunately.... that's not any sort of possible.

I guess it also has to do with whether its just one game you are playing vs multiples vs having other hobbies. I always take my time first time around. take in the sights, etc. (on a random side note, sometimes the game kinda makes you wait and i've been enjoying watching the ceiling fall apart and fly up in a spectacular fashion every day that I did WTG during the event, but I digress). but. i like having alts. and I like playing other games, not to mention doing things other then video games. every minute I linger unnecessarily while lets say - grabbing sky shards on my 5th alt, is the time I don't get to spend exploring ancient greece or Egypt in Assassin's Creed, or putting together another miniature.

I like NEW sights. I've seen some of the old sights so many times in ESO already, its honestly an equivalent of taking my time looking around while taking daily commute to work. I still do sometimes. but every single time???

we are all different and that is fine, i'm just saying that it is absolutely possible to both enjoy taking your time AND wanting to be efficient when context calls for it. they are not mutually exclusive.

P.S. genetically, I'm more likely to die at or before 70 then I am at 100. I have one great grandmother who lived that long and multiple relatives that didn't even make it to 60. even while doing my best to take care of my health, there is no outrunning of our mortality, so that could also be a part of it. I don't really have time to waste.

Merforum

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

Once you've gone through most quest on all 3 factions and get to leveling up your 14th toon, looking at all the scenery is more of a task than fun. BTW when you are leveling up a toon and don't pick up most of the shkyshards you will not be able to get all the passives/skills you want. At a minimum you want to do all the public dungeons to get 1 skyshard and kill main boss for skill point.

There's an addon that puts rapids on your bar every time you jump on horse, so you don't have to take up a skill slot. I am pretty sure this is one thing that if you use it you'll never want to go back.

Heh. I have 55 characters. I still love looking at the scenery no matter which one I'm playing. I pick up every skyshard on every character, but I'm not in a big hurry, and I don't run group content as my ping is WAY too high.

In other words, I'm not really interested in rushing hither thither and yon for any reason. I have rapids available on my 50s - I just don't have any interest in using it myself, and in fact, I've quit training speed to 60, 40 is plenty fast enough. I hope ZOS reverts the decision, but having been here quite a while now seeing how things go, I don't think it's likely.

My point of this thread is I should be at 34% speed boost at the moment but my running speed is faster on my horse. But with Rapids which gives 30% boost, it was noticeably faster normal sprint just a month ago. So they need to either change the tooltip or make it work correctly. Anyway, 34 days of logging in and paying the stable boy should make my horse at least as fast as a skill which used to be easy to get, and still can get in 1 day.

And as another person stated, this change was taking something that lots of people used literally every time they get on a horse, and it was just taken away. Also like I said the most important time to have this skill was precisely when you got it at around level 10 and first time taking a toon to cyrodiil. To go from 10-50 in about 4 days.

I have arthritis, so I have to plan what I'm able to do each day before my fingers get worn out. Horse speed helps, not having to do PVP BS helps a lot. I physically can't mash buttons like others. MANY people are very negatively affected by Rapids change, especially since it was totally unnecessary, but if you aren't one of those people why not be supportive of us rather than pontificate about stuff that doesn't have anything to do with the issue.

I've said I hope ZOS reverts the change. Twice in this thread and at least once in the other one. If you don't think that's supportive....

Thanks for your support. I was not trying to single you out. There seems to be a lot of people who say 'I don't know anything about X but let me tell you what I think anyway'. I caught myself doing it a couple times and even got a moderator edit once. But I'll admit I wasn't being constructive, even though the people I was complaining about are much worse consistently.

Hopefully they will either make horse training actually works like it is supposed to (Rapids wouldn't matter is 30% in horse speed was the same effect as it). Or give back rapids. Something changed because before I ever knew about Rapids I would always try to get horse speed to 20% for noticeable difference. But at 35% right now I literally run faster than the horse can gallop, sprinting on ground should be normal horse speed at a minimum.

Funny thing though, I don't believe they are just trying to make money from this because if they wanted to get people to buy speed lessons it should make your horse much faster than Rapids does. Not the other way around.

Merforum

Merforum wrote: »

SydneyGrey wrote: »

Daemons_Bane wrote: »

There is nothing to fix with mount training.. it works as intended.. and come on, it takes 1-2 hours tops to get rapid

If that's true, then why did they have to move Vigor in the first place? After all, it would have only taken 1-2 hours tops to get Vigor.

Exactly right. And Vigor isn't even an ASSAULT based skill, much more in like as SUPPORT. They should have just swapped Vigor with Siege Shield and everyone would be happy because anyone using Siege Shield would only be PVP players.

Or better yet since SOUL MAGIC only has one skill they could have put Rapids there, and Vigor too. Since it is way more realistic that people will do the main quests to get those rather than forcing non-PVP who actually hate PVP to have to play PVP.

It was very luckily that I literally got 8 toons to level 5 or 6 during MYM. Out of 13 I only have 1 without Rapids at the moment. Guess I'll have to bring my new Stam Warden into BG and see how long it actually takes to level up.

Well folks I am so sick of how slow my horse is I finally did it, joined BG. The first session was very good, we WON. Nice thing is you are just a likely to get some good PVP players on your team as being against you, although we did have one lvl 43 who didn't do much.

I saw a lot of people crying about the Thews/harbinger set so I had to give it a try and it is wonderful. I tried it in IC and was impressed. Now in BG it was better than I expected. It is completely amazing blocking a templar who is spamming jabs/sweeps and using the light attack animation canceling exploit and instead of me dying the die while I am blocking. Mostly I am only dying when everyone is ganging up on me or when I can't bar swap fast enough, since front and back bar are different sets. Might stop using malacath so I can have both full 5 pieces sets active or use only one monster piece, next time.

I also really like that BG is only 15 minutes because just as I was getting bored and my hand started hurting from mashing buttons, it was over. But about 15 minutes later I tried it again and we got second place. I still have no idea, how to maximize point or anything and at the beginning I asked 'what's the objective' on both runs NOBODY even said HI in chat. So far BG seems funner than cyrodiil, and way more fun than IC/sewers with all the gankers.

So I got first and second place and my Assault went from about 2.2 to 2.9, so at this rate I'll probably have to do it 3-6 times. I'll have to learn how to increase our score because on the second run, first place was way ahead and 3rd place almost caught up with us.