FIX Horse Speed training or GIVE BACK RAPIDS

Merforum

So it is 34 days that went by and I dutifully log on every day to TRAIN MY HORSE SPEED instead of PACKS which I used to do. The tooltips says I should have horse speed 34% increased at this point BUT IT IS NOT, compared to having zero training and RAPIDS available which is supposed to give 30% increase. When I started my last 13th toon over month ago and got Rapids I was way faster on horse than I am NOW with 34% Speed training, something is wrong because I should be at least as fast now.

Waiting 30 days and paying for training is more effort than even running PVP, PLEASE fix Speed training. And as everyone says forcing non-PVP players to have to go to PVP with super slow horse is just stupid. Rapid should be level 1 skill and/or not a PVP skill. PLEASE FIX.

Radiance

but... But... BUT Mount Training Lessons are on Sale in the Crown store right now!

idk

^^^^

Zos has already provided the solution to quick training for us.

CowNRB

To be fair i enjoy going slow in pve and its not a must to have a fast horse in pve too so idky there are so many post about this.. Like vigor is needed if you solo as a stam player so in my book it was a good change. Like sure they could change how to get rapids but i feel the real issue is the mount training stuff in the 1st place then the skill it self

Sylvermynx

CowNRB wrote: »

To be fair i enjoy going slow in pve and its not a must to have a fast horse in pve too so idky there are so many post about this.. Like vigor is needed if you solo as a stam player so in my book it was a good change. Like sure they could change how to get rapids but i feel the real issue is the mount training stuff in the 1st place then the skill it self

Well.... I'm using vigor on a couple of "lowerbie" stamblades. I only solo.... and I'm not finding it all that useful, because stam sustain at lower levels is just crap. So by the time I need a heal, I'm usually out of stam! And my stamdens are all but one 50 (two over 160 CP, one at just 60 right now) so I don't really need it for them. Of course, I've never used rapids, so I don't have a horse in that race anyway (pun intended).

Far as I'm concerned, they can swap them back - I won't mind, and it sure will make a lot of people happier.

Sanctum74

Mount speed and stamina were reduced the same time they took away rapids. Then they gave a discount on mount training. Coincidence? I’ll let you decide $$$$$

SilverBride

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Far as I'm concerned, they can swap them back - I won't mind, and it sure will make a lot of people happier.

I hope they don't. I've never used rapids on any character, even though I had it unlocked, but not trained, on one. But I am finding Vigor something I may want to try out.

rumple9

In the time people have been complaining (weeks), they could have got rapids by now

Jayroo

rumple9 wrote: »

In the time people have been complaining (weeks), they could have got rapids by now

for real, I have 11 cp characters and they all pretty much had to undergo like an hour of pvp to get to healing before the change. It's not a big deal. [snip]

[Edited for Baiting]

Sanctum74

rumple9 wrote: »

In the time people have been complaining (weeks), they could have got rapids by now

I can get my rapids back, but how do i get my mount speed and stamina back? Hopefully it’s not one of those 2 year bugs they eventually get to fixing.

Merforum

Sanctum74 wrote: »

rumple9 wrote: »

In the time people have been complaining (weeks), they could have got rapids by now

I can get my rapids back, but how do i get my mount speed and stamina back? Hopefully it’s not one of those 2 year bugs they eventually get to fixing.

Thanks at least someone actually read my post, it is about mount speed being 34% but not being as fast as 30% from rapids. And either fix that or give back rapids. Don't understand why people think anyone cares about unhelpful comments.

Merforum

Radiance wrote: »

but... But... BUT Mount Training Lessons are on Sale in the Crown store right now!

I saw that, I'm someone who doesn't believe in coincidences so yeah.

Merforum

Sylvermynx wrote: »

CowNRB wrote: »

To be fair i enjoy going slow in pve and its not a must to have a fast horse in pve too so idky there are so many post about this.. Like vigor is needed if you solo as a stam player so in my book it was a good change. Like sure they could change how to get rapids but i feel the real issue is the mount training stuff in the 1st place then the skill it self

Well.... I'm using vigor on a couple of "lowerbie" stamblades. I only solo.... and I'm not finding it all that useful, because stam sustain at lower levels is just crap. So by the time I need a heal, I'm usually out of stam! And my stamdens are all but one 50 (two over 160 CP, one at just 60 right now) so I don't really need it for them. Of course, I've never used rapids, so I don't have a horse in that race anyway (pun intended).

Far as I'm concerned, they can swap them back - I won't mind, and it sure will make a lot of people happier.

Overall some of the changes were OK, but Rapids change and skill cost increase on vamp are just dumb.

BTW I almost never used vigor on any of 6 Stam toons NO PROB, and tested it recently and it is NOT even close to as useful as Rapids. BTW I am talking about when leveling a toon from 10-50, that is when Rapids is most useful, when you run around picking up skyshards, lorebooks, psyjic quest, delves, etc.

SamanthaCarter

Just use crown gems for 1to60 whithin 2 minutes and it’s cheap too https://imgur.com/gallery/fn69RGA

SamanthaCarter

Vigor>rapid but I leveled my 18characters since years so I can’t enjoy this great change

BisDasBlutGefriert

@Merforum Hmm...what if you had one character with rapids, but without speed training, run from point A to point B, and timed it? Then a second character without rapids but with 34% speed training, run the same point A to B, and timed that too?

That may help to see how big of a gap time difference you are missing on your 34% if any.

SydneyGrey

SamanthaCarter wrote: »

Just use crown gems for 1to60 whithin 2 minutes and it’s cheap too https://imgur.com/gallery/fn69RGA

Gems are the single most expensive currency this game has. It's the opposite of cheap.

Sylvermynx

Merforum wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

CowNRB wrote: »

To be fair i enjoy going slow in pve and its not a must to have a fast horse in pve too so idky there are so many post about this.. Like vigor is needed if you solo as a stam player so in my book it was a good change. Like sure they could change how to get rapids but i feel the real issue is the mount training stuff in the 1st place then the skill it self

Well.... I'm using vigor on a couple of "lowerbie" stamblades. I only solo.... and I'm not finding it all that useful, because stam sustain at lower levels is just crap. So by the time I need a heal, I'm usually out of stam! And my stamdens are all but one 50 (two over 160 CP, one at just 60 right now) so I don't really need it for them. Of course, I've never used rapids, so I don't have a horse in that race anyway (pun intended).

Far as I'm concerned, they can swap them back - I won't mind, and it sure will make a lot of people happier.

Overall some of the changes were OK, but Rapids change and skill cost increase on vamp are just dumb.

BTW I almost never used vigor on any of 6 Stam toons NO PROB, and tested it recently and it is NOT even close to as useful as Rapids. BTW I am talking about when leveling a toon from 10-50, that is when Rapids is most useful, when you run around picking up skyshards, lorebooks, psyjic quest, delves, etc.

Eh, I honestly have never used rapids. And really, vigor isn't a big deal for me.

I.... well, I'm just not into rushing around the game world as fast as possible. Not my thing.... not at all. I have all the time in whatever's left of my life to enjoy this game. I do get that people who haven't a lot of time to play are very unhappy with this particular change.

I also get that ZOS does what it does, and I really don't believe that they are going to change this.

SydneyGrey

rumple9 wrote: »

In the time people have been complaining (weeks), they could have got rapids by now

I guess people had better prepare for a whole lot of clueless newbies in Battlegrounds, then, because YOU try getting Rapids on a new character that has less than a few weeks of mount training on it.

JoeCapricorn

The least they can do is give back Rapids as a way to show that they listen to the players

At this point numerous stories have been told about how high a wall Rapids was put behind. My personal depression is keeping me from hardly logging in lately.

Merforum

Sylvermynx wrote: »

Merforum wrote: »

Sylvermynx wrote: »

CowNRB wrote: »

To be fair i enjoy going slow in pve and its not a must to have a fast horse in pve too so idky there are so many post about this.. Like vigor is needed if you solo as a stam player so in my book it was a good change. Like sure they could change how to get rapids but i feel the real issue is the mount training stuff in the 1st place then the skill it self

Well.... I'm using vigor on a couple of "lowerbie" stamblades. I only solo.... and I'm not finding it all that useful, because stam sustain at lower levels is just crap. So by the time I need a heal, I'm usually out of stam! And my stamdens are all but one 50 (two over 160 CP, one at just 60 right now) so I don't really need it for them. Of course, I've never used rapids, so I don't have a horse in that race anyway (pun intended).

Far as I'm concerned, they can swap them back - I won't mind, and it sure will make a lot of people happier.

Overall some of the changes were OK, but Rapids change and skill cost increase on vamp are just dumb.

BTW I almost never used vigor on any of 6 Stam toons NO PROB, and tested it recently and it is NOT even close to as useful as Rapids. BTW I am talking about when leveling a toon from 10-50, that is when Rapids is most useful, when you run around picking up skyshards, lorebooks, psyjic quest, delves, etc.

Eh, I honestly have never used rapids. And really, vigor isn't a big deal for me.

I.... well, I'm just not into rushing around the game world as fast as possible. Not my thing.... not at all. I have all the time in whatever's left of my life to enjoy this game. I do get that people who haven't a lot of time to play are very unhappy with this particular change.

I also get that ZOS does what it does, and I really don't believe that they are going to change this.

Once you've gone through most quest on all 3 factions and get to leveling up your 14th toon, looking at all the scenery is more of a task than fun. BTW when you are leveling up a toon and don't pick up most of the shkyshards you will not be able to get all the passives/skills you want. At a minimum you want to do all the public dungeons to get 1 skyshard and kill main boss for skill point.

There's an addon that puts rapids on your bar every time you jump on horse, so you don't have to take up a skill slot. I am pretty sure this is one thing that if you use it you'll never want to go back.

kargen27

JoeCapricorn wrote: »

The least they can do is give back Rapids as a way to show that they listen to the players

At this point numerous stories have been told about how high a wall Rapids was put behind. My personal depression is keeping me from hardly logging in lately.

Don't go to battlegrounds. Join a thirty day campaign, get your rapids and 50 transmute crystals all in one go. Doesn't take long at all. Sure you miss a couple of battles on a slow mount but still doesn't take much effort nor time.

Pevey

It’s not really an argument about how much effort or time it takes. It’s about a skill that was unlocked, and then it was taken away.

It’s not really about rapids vs vigor. They could have made vigor more accessible by keeping it in its spot in the skill tree and just changing the assault skill level requirement from 5 to 3. This change was never about vigor. It‘s about a skill that was unlocked that was taken away.

Just to be 100% clear: This is about a skill what was unlocked that was taken away. To sell more riding lessons. In the crown store. No one should be arguing for that, we should ALL be arguing against it. Whether you personally use rapids or not, how can any player be in favor of what zos did in this case?

Ratinira

Pevey wrote: »

No one should be arguing for that, we should ALL be arguing against it. Whether you personally use rapids or not, how can any player be in favor of what zos did in this case?

That is why zos used vigor. To have some people protecting their decision. People who see only candy given to them, not a precedent of skill stolen to sell something in Crown store. If zos had switched Rapid with, let's say, Caltrops, they would have much less protectors.

And returning to topic, they not only stolen skill, they also break horses. Like with stamina draining bug. At some characters horses are nearly useless. Bravo, zos, you did all you can so I won't buy your new mount

SilverBride

I think everyone is greatly exaggerating how many people used rapids. I had never even heard of it until all these threads started popping up, and I'm far from the only one.

And I really don't understand why some players feel the need to rush around at light speed. It's not like the game is timed.

But the bottom line is rapids was not removed and you can get it back. And this change is not going to be reversed.

SydneyGrey

SilverBride wrote: »

I think everyone is greatly exaggerating how many people used rapids. I had never even heard of it until all these threads started popping up, and I'm far from the only one.
And I really don't understand why some players feel the need to rush around at light speed. It's not like the game is timed.
But the bottom line is rapids was not removed and you can get it back. And this change is not going to be reversed.

Well it won't be reversed with people like you here.

Ratinira

SilverBride wrote: »

I think everyone is greatly exaggerating how many people used rapids. I had never even heard of it until all these threads started popping up, and I'm far from the only one.

And I really don't understand why some players feel the need to rush around at light speed. It's not like the game is timed.

But the bottom line is rapids was not removed and you can get it back. And this change is not going to be reversed.

I think some people are greatly exaggerating how many players use Vigor. I heard of it existanse before zos desided to though that skill as a bone but never used before nor now.

Why rushing? Have you taken part in Dragon Rise event? Or any event where you must run quickly unless you want to kiss the dust after players who finished it just the moment before you arrived and moved to the next. Or spending time in Cyrodiil chasing groups?
Group runs, group events, world events, shard/books/time rifts gathering. Not everyone playing 20 hours a day to spend time snailing here and there or like kissing dust two times out of three.

And again. There was no need to touch rapids if they wanted to give vigor free.
If the next time they will took aways the skill you are using often and lock it being the activity you hate (but hey we just added it to the crown store!) I hope you will enjoy that as much as you enjoy your candy vigor now.

Also, if you even never heard of rapids you don't use vigor, so, what's the point?

SilverBride

Ratinira wrote: »

.Why rushing? Have you taken part in Dragon Rise event? Or any event where you must run quickly unless you want to kiss the dust after players who finished it just the moment before you arrived and moved to the next. Or spending time in Cyrodiil chasing groups.

Group runs, group events, world events, shard/books/time rifts gathering. Not everyone playing 20 hours a day to spend time snailing here and there or like kissing dust two times out of three.

Also, if you even never heard of rapids you don't use vigor, so, what's the point?

I've played several characters and experienced a wide range of content, and I did it all without rapids.

And who said I don't use Vigor? I have it on one character and am trying it out.

Kaliki

SilverBride wrote: »

I hope they don't. I've never used rapids on any character, even though I had it unlocked, but not trained, on one. But I am finding Vigor something I may want to try out.

Yes. I have never used rapids, never even used a horse on any of my characters, even though I bought one, on one, but never used it.
I also have never used Vigor, but I have to voice my opinion here and will raise hell if they change the 2 skills back because there is a slight chance I might feel like trying out the other skill.
And anyway, why even run when you can slowly stroll through nature?
Glad ZOS shows all them rushing elitists what's what!
/s

Ratinira

SilverBride wrote: »

Ratinira wrote: »

.Why rushing? Have you taken part in Dragon Rise event? Or any event where you must run quickly unless you want to kiss the dust after players who finished it just the moment before you arrived and moved to the next. Or spending time in Cyrodiil chasing groups.

Group runs, group events, world events, shard/books/time rifts gathering. Not everyone playing 20 hours a day to spend time snailing here and there or like kissing dust two times out of three.

Also, if you even never heard of rapids you don't use vigor, so, what's the point?

I've played several characters and experienced a wide range of content, and I did it all without rapids.

And who said I don't use Vigor? I have it on one character and am trying it out.

You said "I had never even heard of" Rapid. You never ever read what skills are *below* the skill you are using? You just come to that skill line with guide, click in the picture with vigor and didnt seen anything around?
Or, by hear you really mean physically hear? Well, then I never heard of 99% of game skills😆

I experienced content with 1 character without rapid and with 9 characters that *were* using rapid. Second is much more interresting.

Daemons_Bane

There is nothing to fix with mount training.. it works as intended.. and come on, it takes 1-2 hours tops to get rapid