oscarovegren wrote: »StamDK has awesome DPS both with maelstrom DW/deadly/relequen in PvE (top stamtier with stamcro) and veno claw/noxious breath (major fracture)/take flight/minor brut + 2H skilline in PvP
sounds goodoscarovegren wrote: »For warden they could make winters revenge scale of the highest offensive stat. That way they will receive a very strong AoE DoT and the chilled crit bonus. That would be a good improvement
Playboy_Shrek wrote: »stamblade is what needs buffs. its pretty bad unless your so good you could parse just as wel with stamdk or warden.
it literally gets nothing from siphoning tree. very little from the shadow tree and even worse in the main tree. a worse spammable. as its melee and it does the same damage, and less damage from grim focus morph
at least for dk and warden, both are classes that use "magical" skills. meanwhile nightblade is just using knives. and somehow magblade is better.
brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »Playboy_Shrek wrote: »stamblade is what needs buffs. its pretty bad unless your so good you could parse just as wel with stamdk or warden.
it literally gets nothing from siphoning tree. very little from the shadow tree and even worse in the main tree. a worse spammable. as its melee and it does the same damage, and less damage from grim focus morph
at least for dk and warden, both are classes that use "magical" skills. meanwhile nightblade is just using knives. and somehow magblade is better.
Stamblade and Stamplar without necro ult are parsing the highest, they are the only class that got buffed this patch ( PvE perspective, the damage taken reduct. in pvp versus crit damage is a nerf ) and they easily outparse magblade.
Stamblade also does use magical skills in their rotation, they have shade for example.
ThePianist wrote: »brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »Playboy_Shrek wrote: »stamblade is what needs buffs. its pretty bad unless your so good you could parse just as wel with stamdk or warden.
it literally gets nothing from siphoning tree. very little from the shadow tree and even worse in the main tree. a worse spammable. as its melee and it does the same damage, and less damage from grim focus morph
at least for dk and warden, both are classes that use "magical" skills. meanwhile nightblade is just using knives. and somehow magblade is better.
Stamblade and Stamplar without necro ult are parsing the highest, they are the only class that got buffed this patch ( PvE perspective, the damage taken reduct. in pvp versus crit damage is a nerf ) and they easily outparse magblade.
Stamblade also does use magical skills in their rotation, they have shade for example.
Stamblade needs buff to pve and no cp bgs. Grothdarr is already a cancer monster set in stamdk, stamcro and stamwardens. I’m speaking from a pve and pvp perspective.
ZOS needs to look at no cp bgs statistics from the pre-50 cp, all the way up to the top ranking MMR’s. They will see that nightblades are at the bottom of the barrel.
ZOS also needs to look at the statistics of Vet dungeon pugs, and who is getting always kicked. I guarantee you it’s nightblades and bow/bow players. This class doesn’t have any kind of aoe damage to deal with trash mobs, except arrow barrage, caltrops. Again, look at this from a bigger picture ZOS. Not just catering to the elitists.
How can a NB weave 5 LA’s to proc relentless focus against a warden running 2 proc sets, and hits Northen storm? Then the same warden proceeds to 1vx the other enemy team?
The relentless focus buff is not a big deal. What should have been done, is give NB’s the pre 7th legion dark cloak. Our class needs a purge of some kind.
The only place Our Class is excelling at is at imperial city. Yes I love to gank people and steal their hard earned tel var. If they’re on my hit list then: “Remember me? You kicked me from Vet Bloodforge, I’ll take that 20k Tel var as compensation, thanks”.
But anyway. Stamden doesn’t need a buff.
Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »
Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »
Also would take advantage of the Ardent Flame passive, Warmth! Nothing like applying a Snare to your target when you hit them.
YandereGirlfriend wrote: »I like those ideas!
My only quibble is that stamDen seems like a better candidate to buff Bleed-type damage rather than Disease-type damage (that's NB territory thematically) since they are the only class with an in-class Bleed skill(s) available to them and it fits well with the beastmaster archetype.
I would also stick a Bleed on the Bear either as a % chance to proc on any of its attacks like the Axe effects or as a byproduct of casting the special maul attack.
Skjaldbjorn wrote: »YandereGirlfriend wrote: »I like those ideas!
My only quibble is that stamDen seems like a better candidate to buff Bleed-type damage rather than Disease-type damage (that's NB territory thematically) since they are the only class with an in-class Bleed skill(s) available to them and it fits well with the beastmaster archetype.
I would also stick a Bleed on the Bear either as a % chance to proc on any of its attacks like the Axe effects or as a byproduct of casting the special maul attack.
@YandereGirlfriend I can agree that Stamblade is a better candidate, but in that case, they'd probably need to lose the Minor Savagery passive. Stamblades already have very good group utility. It also doesn't benefit the meta at large to put the Disease damage buff on a top-2 DPS that can empower eachother. That's the central problem with Tong to start with.
What game are you playing? Stamblades only group utility is Minor Savagery, and barely anyone plays Stamina groups anymore. If they do you use a NB tank and Necro DD instead of NB. But it isn't for DDs to provide utility anyway.
OT: Stamden has lowest DPS yes, but only 1k lower than StamDK and StamBlade.
I'd love to see StamBlade get some damage back, the main single-target damage class has one of the lowest single-target damage? Makes sense.
brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »Playboy_Shrek wrote: »stamblade is what needs buffs. its pretty bad unless your so good you could parse just as wel with stamdk or warden.
it literally gets nothing from siphoning tree. very little from the shadow tree and even worse in the main tree. a worse spammable. as its melee and it does the same damage, and less damage from grim focus morph
at least for dk and warden, both are classes that use "magical" skills. meanwhile nightblade is just using knives. and somehow magblade is better.
Stamblade and Stamplar without necro ult are parsing the highest, they are the only class that got buffed this patch ( PvE perspective, the damage taken reduct. in pvp versus crit damage is a nerf ) and they easily outparse magblade.
Stamblade also does use magical skills in their rotation, they have shade for example.
Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »
Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »
If You're fighting in meele and You want to proc axe bleed that means You have acces to meele spammables already in weapon skill lines. Instead of asking for stamwhip You can ask for meele stone giant to get the same result but with less impact on the class. I could agree with poisoned status effect argument if stamwhip would be posion dmg based but even then I consider it a weak argument since it wouldn't be sustain of high magnitude same as flame whip is not giving that much sustain on a mag dk. So as I've said stamwhip brings nothing for a stam dk. Nothing very important atleast.
Stamplar didn't get anybuff this patch, it's the opposite. It's even one of the most StamDD nerfed
Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »
If You're fighting in meele and You want to proc axe bleed that means You have acces to meele spammables already in weapon skill lines. Instead of asking for stamwhip You can ask for meele stone giant to get the same result but with less impact on the class. I could agree with poisoned status effect argument if stamwhip would be posion dmg based but even then I consider it a weak argument since it wouldn't be sustain of high magnitude same as flame whip is not giving that much sustain on a mag dk. So as I've said stamwhip brings nothing for a stam dk. Nothing very important atleast.