Performance PC EU vs PC NA

Shanan

So yesterday was one of the worst days in history i think. Bars greyed out for like 5 seconds. i wasnt even able to use a buttom to force a command.
Using ultimates put me into a loop for 40seconds.
I was really upset and left cyrodil (noncp). Afterwards i was watching Fengrush stream. They were playing noncp aswell. They had zero lag, could fight
50v50 with no impact in performace. How is that even possible? Are the na players priviliged?

greetings

Thevampirenight

As they have explained Pc Eu is their most populated Server. A lot of people play and now a lot more play possibly the most they have ever had so far. Factors including the coming of Greymoor not to mention the Covid 19 keeping people at home. What are they going to do well maybe play Video games and maybe play mmorpgs/mmos and maybe Eso is that game.
So the issue is there is so much more population of players now. That it likely is causing a big strain on the Eu server. Na I think is getting there at times. But not like the Eu. As both servers have seen an increase in player population.
It likely won't get better until a lot of those players move on or till things get back to normal.

Eu has always had problems and I think the server location is a factor or the isp or whatever it is down there. However I think the Covid is making it so much worse then before so hang in there. Once that New World Mmo comes out enough players might go to that and by doing so lesson the strain on the Eu server in the process.

zvavi

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Once that New World Mmo comes out enough players might go to that and by doing so lesson the strain on the Eu server in the process.

Wishful thinking. New world is very pvp focused and more appealing to a different crowd than the average eso crowd.

Bradyfjord

I feel for you guys on PC EU. NA has issues too. Hopefully ZOS can improve the server issues sooner rather than later.

Thevampirenight

zvavi wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Once that New World Mmo comes out enough players might go to that and by doing so lesson the strain on the Eu server in the process.

Wishful thinking. New world is very pvp focused and more appealing to a different crowd than the average eso crowd.

I don't really know anything about it other then seeing it mentioned.
It might be wishful thinking but at least maybe it could be something that could help.
Also I'm hoping the pet changes, and the animation caching they are putting in will at least help somewhat.

Jayroo

why don't people just stop playing so they will fix it faster perhaps.
I think if i am recalling correctly, the servers have had issues for upwards of almost two years, I think its time to stop supporting a game you can barely run

redgreensunset

Thevampirenight wrote: »

As they have explained Pc Eu is their most populated Server. A lot of people play and now a lot more play possibly the most they have ever had so far. Factors including the coming of Greymoor not to mention the Covid 19 keeping people at home. What are they going to do well maybe play Video games and maybe play mmorpgs/mmos and maybe Eso is that game.
So the issue is there is so much more population of players now. That it likely is causing a big strain on the Eu server. Na I think is getting there at times. But no like the Eu. As both servers have seen an increase in player population.
It likely won't get better until a lot of those players move on or till things get back to normal.

Eu has always had problems and I think the server location is a factor or the isp or whatever it is down there. However I think the Covid is making it so much worse then before so hang in there. Once that New World Mmo comes out enough players might go to that and by doing so lesson the strain on the Eu server in the process.

Lol, yeah. "Server population", nice excuse. How exactly does all that "server stress" come into play at 5am in the morning when no one is on and a campaign is barely ticking off one bar?

Sure it's "population".

But okay. If the servers can't handle the numbers they need to upgrade so it can. Just proves that NA is privileged because ZOS is willing to pay for enough server space to handle you all. All you've done by running that argument is prove OP right.

Thevampirenight

One thing that Fengrush was mentioning one time on the Greymoor pts stream he did, was cross healing/buff stacking with groups and the cross healing and buff stacking that causes issues when faction stacking. So Ball Groups and Faction stacking causes a lot of issues and its because of the cross healing and buffs stacking. It stacks so much the servers can't handle it and it lags out.
Now I'm not sure how that connects to the aoe. But they are doing changes to reduce the strain of aoe effects so hopefully those changes can help with the cross healing issues. The Aoe changes were going to come with Greymoor but they got held back to update 27. Either way they do need to address the stacking. It wouldn't hurt either for them to reduce group size to a max of twelve.

Kadoin

Nah it has to do with the underlying host providers. I've long suspected the game's mega server nonsense is just marketing jargon for stacked cloud instances of scalable sizes. If that's true then it could be that the cloud provider in America (more than likely Amazon) is simply better than the one they use in the EU.

Also, I am not the only one that has come to this conclusion...but who would admit something like that?

VaranisArano

redgreensunset wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

As they have explained Pc Eu is their most populated Server. A lot of people play and now a lot more play possibly the most they have ever had so far. Factors including the coming of Greymoor not to mention the Covid 19 keeping people at home. What are they going to do well maybe play Video games and maybe play mmorpgs/mmos and maybe Eso is that game.
So the issue is there is so much more population of players now. That it likely is causing a big strain on the Eu server. Na I think is getting there at times. But no like the Eu. As both servers have seen an increase in player population.
It likely won't get better until a lot of those players move on or till things get back to normal.

Eu has always had problems and I think the server location is a factor or the isp or whatever it is down there. However I think the Covid is making it so much worse then before so hang in there. Once that New World Mmo comes out enough players might go to that and by doing so lesson the strain on the Eu server in the process.

Lol, yeah. "Server population", nice excuse. How exactly does all that "server stress" come into play at 5am in the morning when no one is on and a campaign is barely ticking off one bar?

Sure it's "population".

But okay. If the servers can't handle the numbers they need to upgrade so it can. Just proves that NA is privileged because ZOS is willing to pay for enough server space to handle you all. All you've done by running that argument is prove OP right.

Is this a bad time to mention that ZOS just upgraded the EU servers? It probably is.

Its almost like adding more server capacity isn't the silver bullet that's going to kill EU's performance problems.

I'd also caution against using streamers as representative gameplay when it comes to performance. If theirs wasn't on the good end of the playable spectrum, they wouldn't be streaming. Lots of players on NA experience terrible performance.

Thevampirenight

VaranisArano wrote: »

redgreensunset wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

As they have explained Pc Eu is their most populated Server. A lot of people play and now a lot more play possibly the most they have ever had so far. Factors including the coming of Greymoor not to mention the Covid 19 keeping people at home. What are they going to do well maybe play Video games and maybe play mmorpgs/mmos and maybe Eso is that game.
So the issue is there is so much more population of players now. That it likely is causing a big strain on the Eu server. Na I think is getting there at times. But no like the Eu. As both servers have seen an increase in player population.
It likely won't get better until a lot of those players move on or till things get back to normal.

Eu has always had problems and I think the server location is a factor or the isp or whatever it is down there. However I think the Covid is making it so much worse then before so hang in there. Once that New World Mmo comes out enough players might go to that and by doing so lesson the strain on the Eu server in the process.

Lol, yeah. "Server population", nice excuse. How exactly does all that "server stress" come into play at 5am in the morning when no one is on and a campaign is barely ticking off one bar?

Sure it's "population".

But okay. If the servers can't handle the numbers they need to upgrade so it can. Just proves that NA is privileged because ZOS is willing to pay for enough server space to handle you all. All you've done by running that argument is prove OP right.

Is this a bad time to mention that ZOS just upgraded the EU servers? It probably is.

Its almost like adding more server capacity isn't the silver bullet that's going to kill EU's performance problems.

I'd also caution against using streamers as representative gameplay when it comes to performance. If theirs wasn't on the good end of the playable spectrum, they wouldn't be streaming. Lots of players on NA experience terrible performance.

Well the population thing was also mentioned by the Devs at one point on the forums as being a big issue when there is so many logged in at one time. As Eu has many more players compared to Na and the time zones are not spread out like the Na which causes a lot of issues that is according to what they posted on the forums one time. They had to put a queue to log into the game for the Eu Player Base at one point until they could upgrade it or something. So yes the Population is a big issue and they had to do such upgrades before.
If Zenimax says its an issue then its an issue. They would know because they own the servers and know what they could handle a lot better then us. So some people might think its an excuse but this is what Zenimax themselves have told us. Its somewhere on the forums if someone wants to dig up that post.

Thevampirenight

I went ahead and dug it up.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/467936/pc-eu-server-update-april-11/p1
This post came from the President of Zenimax Online last April.

redgreensunset

VaranisArano wrote: »

redgreensunset wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

As they have explained Pc Eu is their most populated Server. A lot of people play and now a lot more play possibly the most they have ever had so far. Factors including the coming of Greymoor not to mention the Covid 19 keeping people at home. What are they going to do well maybe play Video games and maybe play mmorpgs/mmos and maybe Eso is that game.
So the issue is there is so much more population of players now. That it likely is causing a big strain on the Eu server. Na I think is getting there at times. But no like the Eu. As both servers have seen an increase in player population.
It likely won't get better until a lot of those players move on or till things get back to normal.

Eu has always had problems and I think the server location is a factor or the isp or whatever it is down there. However I think the Covid is making it so much worse then before so hang in there. Once that New World Mmo comes out enough players might go to that and by doing so lesson the strain on the Eu server in the process.

Lol, yeah. "Server population", nice excuse. How exactly does all that "server stress" come into play at 5am in the morning when no one is on and a campaign is barely ticking off one bar?

Sure it's "population".

But okay. If the servers can't handle the numbers they need to upgrade so it can. Just proves that NA is privileged because ZOS is willing to pay for enough server space to handle you all. All you've done by running that argument is prove OP right.

Is this a bad time to mention that ZOS just upgraded the EU servers? It probably is.

Its almost like adding more server capacity isn't the silver bullet that's going to kill EU's performance problems.

I'd also caution against using streamers as representative gameplay when it comes to performance. If theirs wasn't on the good end of the playable spectrum, they wouldn't be streaming. Lots of players on NA experience terrible performance.

They didn't "upgrade", they've prepared for one. God knows when or even if that upgrade will ever arrive and am almost certain to be offset by the influx coming with Greymoor. And if server capacity have nothing to do with it then please explain why NA has so much better performance than EU on the whole not to mention why they (and you) keep bringing up that EU has sooooo many more players as a way of explaining that we have *** poor performance?
Like make it make sense my dude.

Thevampirenight

redgreensunset wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

redgreensunset wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

As they have explained Pc Eu is their most populated Server. A lot of people play and now a lot more play possibly the most they have ever had so far. Factors including the coming of Greymoor not to mention the Covid 19 keeping people at home. What are they going to do well maybe play Video games and maybe play mmorpgs/mmos and maybe Eso is that game.
So the issue is there is so much more population of players now. That it likely is causing a big strain on the Eu server. Na I think is getting there at times. But no like the Eu. As both servers have seen an increase in player population.
It likely won't get better until a lot of those players move on or till things get back to normal.

Eu has always had problems and I think the server location is a factor or the isp or whatever it is down there. However I think the Covid is making it so much worse then before so hang in there. Once that New World Mmo comes out enough players might go to that and by doing so lesson the strain on the Eu server in the process.

Lol, yeah. "Server population", nice excuse. How exactly does all that "server stress" come into play at 5am in the morning when no one is on and a campaign is barely ticking off one bar?

Sure it's "population".

But okay. If the servers can't handle the numbers they need to upgrade so it can. Just proves that NA is privileged because ZOS is willing to pay for enough server space to handle you all. All you've done by running that argument is prove OP right.

Is this a bad time to mention that ZOS just upgraded the EU servers? It probably is.

Its almost like adding more server capacity isn't the silver bullet that's going to kill EU's performance problems.

I'd also caution against using streamers as representative gameplay when it comes to performance. If theirs wasn't on the good end of the playable spectrum, they wouldn't be streaming. Lots of players on NA experience terrible performance.

They didn't "upgrade", they've prepared for one. God knows when or even if that upgrade will ever arrive and am almost certain to be offset by the influx coming with Greymoor. And if server capacity have nothing to do with it then please explain why NA has so much better performance than EU on the whole not to mention why they (and you) keep bringing up that EU has sooooo many more players as a way of explaining that we have *** poor performance?
Like make it make sense my dude.

Matt Firror the President of Zenimax explained it in that post I linked above and here is some of it quoted down below. .

Starting in January we've had an influx of new players - we've have had some of our highest weekly average user, daily active user, and peak concurrent user numbers in the last six weeks since we launched on console back in 2015. So, it was in January when EU players started noticing degraded server performance. We made tweaks and updates to the service to free up extra database resources and other boosts to performance, which is why you have been seeing more and longer maintenance outages than normal in the last couple of months.

However, in late March, we really saw a huge spike in the number of users logging in, which led to too many concurrent users for the platform to effectively support. As a result, players on PC EU have seen a severe degradation in service. This degradation started in January, but has greatly accelerated in the last week - lag spikes, disconnects, inability to zone from instance to instance, weird interactions with LFG, etc. These problems are greatly exacerbated by having serious load on the servers, as there are too many users for the hardware to handle.

A quick aside: these problems affect the PC EU more than the other megaservers because it has our highest peak concurrency of any of our six megaservers. The reason: the EU is a highly PC-centric gaming market - and also because almost all of our EU players are located in two time zones. Compared to the North American servers, where there are four time zones to spread out the "peak playing time", the EU has almost all its users logged in at the same time, which leads to very high peak usage

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zvavi

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Matt Firror the President of Zenimax explained it in that post I linked above and here is some of it quoted down below. .

Starting in January we've had an influx of new players - we've have had some of our highest weekly average user, daily active user, and peak concurrent user numbers in the last six weeks since we launched on console back in 2015. So, it was in January when EU players started noticing degraded server performance. We made tweaks and updates to the service to free up extra database resources and other boosts to performance, which is why you have been seeing more and longer maintenance outages than normal in the last couple of months.

However, in late March, we really saw a huge spike in the number of users logging in, which led to too many concurrent users for the platform to effectively support. As a result, players on PC EU have seen a severe degradation in service. This degradation started in January, but has greatly accelerated in the last week - lag spikes, disconnects, inability to zone from instance to instance, weird interactions with LFG, etc. These problems are greatly exacerbated by having serious load on the servers, as there are too many users for the hardware to handle.

A quick aside: these problems affect the PC EU more than the other megaservers because it has our highest peak concurrency of any of our six megaservers. The reason: the EU is a highly PC-centric gaming market - and also because almost all of our EU players are located in two time zones. Compared to the North American servers, where there are four time zones to spread out the "peak playing time", the EU has almost all its users logged in at the same time, which leads to very high peak usage

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Ye I would buy it if game worked perfectly fine during non peak hours. And heck, this post is 1 year old. 1 year old of waiting for improvement in performance. While there was a slight jump from utter crap to the regular crap back then, it is half way back to uter crap again.

VaranisArano

redgreensunset wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

redgreensunset wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

As they have explained Pc Eu is their most populated Server. A lot of people play and now a lot more play possibly the most they have ever had so far. Factors including the coming of Greymoor not to mention the Covid 19 keeping people at home. What are they going to do well maybe play Video games and maybe play mmorpgs/mmos and maybe Eso is that game.
So the issue is there is so much more population of players now. That it likely is causing a big strain on the Eu server. Na I think is getting there at times. But no like the Eu. As both servers have seen an increase in player population.
It likely won't get better until a lot of those players move on or till things get back to normal.

Eu has always had problems and I think the server location is a factor or the isp or whatever it is down there. However I think the Covid is making it so much worse then before so hang in there. Once that New World Mmo comes out enough players might go to that and by doing so lesson the strain on the Eu server in the process.

Lol, yeah. "Server population", nice excuse. How exactly does all that "server stress" come into play at 5am in the morning when no one is on and a campaign is barely ticking off one bar?

Sure it's "population".

But okay. If the servers can't handle the numbers they need to upgrade so it can. Just proves that NA is privileged because ZOS is willing to pay for enough server space to handle you all. All you've done by running that argument is prove OP right.

Is this a bad time to mention that ZOS just upgraded the EU servers? It probably is.

Its almost like adding more server capacity isn't the silver bullet that's going to kill EU's performance problems.

I'd also caution against using streamers as representative gameplay when it comes to performance. If theirs wasn't on the good end of the playable spectrum, they wouldn't be streaming. Lots of players on NA experience terrible performance.

They didn't "upgrade", they've prepared for one. God knows when or even if that upgrade will ever arrive and am almost certain to be offset by the influx coming with Greymoor. And if server capacity have nothing to do with it then please explain why NA has so much better performance than EU on the whole not to mention why they (and you) keep bringing up that EU has sooooo many more players as a way of explaining that we have *** poor performance?
Like make it make sense my dude.

I said it wasn't a silver bullet, not that it has nothing to do with it. ESO's problems are many and consistently compounded by high population. EU has more players than NA period, not just more at peak times.

And no, they recently upgraded. You are mistaken on that point.
"So far our servers have been holding up under the strain of so much activity, but as the massive number of you playing does not seem to be subsiding, we have recently added more server capacity to PC EU to ensure that it stays that way."
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/58045

Whether or not it helped or will be offset by the coming influx for Greymoor, I leave it up to you to determine.

VaranisArano

Thevampirenight wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

redgreensunset wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

As they have explained Pc Eu is their most populated Server. A lot of people play and now a lot more play possibly the most they have ever had so far. Factors including the coming of Greymoor not to mention the Covid 19 keeping people at home. What are they going to do well maybe play Video games and maybe play mmorpgs/mmos and maybe Eso is that game.
So the issue is there is so much more population of players now. That it likely is causing a big strain on the Eu server. Na I think is getting there at times. But no like the Eu. As both servers have seen an increase in player population.
It likely won't get better until a lot of those players move on or till things get back to normal.

Eu has always had problems and I think the server location is a factor or the isp or whatever it is down there. However I think the Covid is making it so much worse then before so hang in there. Once that New World Mmo comes out enough players might go to that and by doing so lesson the strain on the Eu server in the process.

Lol, yeah. "Server population", nice excuse. How exactly does all that "server stress" come into play at 5am in the morning when no one is on and a campaign is barely ticking off one bar?

Sure it's "population".

But okay. If the servers can't handle the numbers they need to upgrade so it can. Just proves that NA is privileged because ZOS is willing to pay for enough server space to handle you all. All you've done by running that argument is prove OP right.

Is this a bad time to mention that ZOS just upgraded the EU servers? It probably is.

Its almost like adding more server capacity isn't the silver bullet that's going to kill EU's performance problems.

I'd also caution against using streamers as representative gameplay when it comes to performance. If theirs wasn't on the good end of the playable spectrum, they wouldn't be streaming. Lots of players on NA experience terrible performance.

Well the population thing was also mentioned by the Devs at one point on the forums as being a big issue when there is so many logged in at one time. As Eu has many more players compared to Na and the time zones are not spread out like the Na which causes a lot of issues that is according to what they posted on the forums one time. They had to put a queue to log into the game for the Eu Player Base at one point until they could upgrade it or something. So yes the Population is a big issue and they had to do such upgrades before.
If Zenimax says its an issue then its an issue. They would know because they own the servers and know what they could handle a lot better then us. So some people might think its an excuse but this is what Zenimax themselves have told us. Its somewhere on the forums if someone wants to dig up that post.

It's an issue.
Its hardly the ONLY issue.
Just look at how parts of their game code have issues with high population. The problems caused by the failed rework of Groupfinder and the guild history after the increased demand from Guildfinder come to mind.

I get that people want to reduce performance to a simple silver bullet: "ZOS could kill our performance issues once and for all if they'd only spend more money on the servers, those greedy folks!"

Its not that simple and they're setting themselves up for bitter disappointment if they think it is.

Shanan

Thevampirenight wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

redgreensunset wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

As they have explained Pc Eu is their most populated Server. A lot of people play and now a lot more play possibly the most they have ever had so far. Factors including the coming of Greymoor not to mention the Covid 19 keeping people at home. What are they going to do well maybe play Video games and maybe play mmorpgs/mmos and maybe Eso is that game.
So the issue is there is so much more population of players now. That it likely is causing a big strain on the Eu server. Na I think is getting there at times. But no like the Eu. As both servers have seen an increase in player population.
It likely won't get better until a lot of those players move on or till things get back to normal.

Eu has always had problems and I think the server location is a factor or the isp or whatever it is down there. However I think the Covid is making it so much worse then before so hang in there. Once that New World Mmo comes out enough players might go to that and by doing so lesson the strain on the Eu server in the process.

Lol, yeah. "Server population", nice excuse. How exactly does all that "server stress" come into play at 5am in the morning when no one is on and a campaign is barely ticking off one bar?

Sure it's "population".

But okay. If the servers can't handle the numbers they need to upgrade so it can. Just proves that NA is privileged because ZOS is willing to pay for enough server space to handle you all. All you've done by running that argument is prove OP right.

Is this a bad time to mention that ZOS just upgraded the EU servers? It probably is.

Its almost like adding more server capacity isn't the silver bullet that's going to kill EU's performance problems.

I'd also caution against using streamers as representative gameplay when it comes to performance. If theirs wasn't on the good end of the playable spectrum, they wouldn't be streaming. Lots of players on NA experience terrible performance.

Well the population thing was also mentioned by the Devs at one point on the forums as being a big issue when there is so many logged in at one time. As Eu has many more players compared to Na and the time zones are not spread out like the Na which causes a lot of issues that is according to what they posted on the forums one time. They had to put a queue to log into the game for the Eu Player Base at one point until they could upgrade it or something. So yes the Population is a big issue and they had to do such upgrades before.
If Zenimax says its an issue then its an issue. They would know because they own the servers and know what they could handle a lot better then us. So some people might think its an excuse but this is what Zenimax themselves have told us. Its somewhere on the forums if someone wants to dig up that post.

How can population be an issue in Cyrodil? Cyrodil is locked to 110v110v110 Players. noncp on na server is smooth af compared to non cp eu server in cyrodil while both campaigns are full. explanation?

rpa

I understand part of it is because everyone playing on megaserver will cause database queries a lot. Database hamster must keep and deliver consistent up to date record of everything across whole megaserver and gets overloaded which slows down people even on empty areas.

Mumbles_the_Tank

Shanan wrote: »

Afterwards i was watching Fengrush stream. They were playing noncp aswell. They had zero lag, could fight
50v50 with no impact in performace. How is that even possible? Are the na players priviliged?
greetings

Not really representative of how it is for everyone. Considering the only reason I knew Feng had arrived in the keep we were taking was the fact I had lagged and crashed out

redgreensunset

VaranisArano wrote: »

redgreensunset wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

redgreensunset wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

As they have explained Pc Eu is their most populated Server. A lot of people play and now a lot more play possibly the most they have ever had so far. Factors including the coming of Greymoor not to mention the Covid 19 keeping people at home. What are they going to do well maybe play Video games and maybe play mmorpgs/mmos and maybe Eso is that game.
So the issue is there is so much more population of players now. That it likely is causing a big strain on the Eu server. Na I think is getting there at times. But no like the Eu. As both servers have seen an increase in player population.
It likely won't get better until a lot of those players move on or till things get back to normal.

Eu has always had problems and I think the server location is a factor or the isp or whatever it is down there. However I think the Covid is making it so much worse then before so hang in there. Once that New World Mmo comes out enough players might go to that and by doing so lesson the strain on the Eu server in the process.

Lol, yeah. "Server population", nice excuse. How exactly does all that "server stress" come into play at 5am in the morning when no one is on and a campaign is barely ticking off one bar?

Sure it's "population".

But okay. If the servers can't handle the numbers they need to upgrade so it can. Just proves that NA is privileged because ZOS is willing to pay for enough server space to handle you all. All you've done by running that argument is prove OP right.

Is this a bad time to mention that ZOS just upgraded the EU servers? It probably is.

Its almost like adding more server capacity isn't the silver bullet that's going to kill EU's performance problems.

I'd also caution against using streamers as representative gameplay when it comes to performance. If theirs wasn't on the good end of the playable spectrum, they wouldn't be streaming. Lots of players on NA experience terrible performance.

They didn't "upgrade", they've prepared for one. God knows when or even if that upgrade will ever arrive and am almost certain to be offset by the influx coming with Greymoor. And if server capacity have nothing to do with it then please explain why NA has so much better performance than EU on the whole not to mention why they (and you) keep bringing up that EU has sooooo many more players as a way of explaining that we have *** poor performance?
Like make it make sense my dude.

I said it wasn't a silver bullet, not that it has nothing to do with it. ESO's problems are many and consistently compounded by high population. EU has more players than NA period, not just more at peak times.

And no, they recently upgraded. You are mistaken on that point.
"So far our servers have been holding up under the strain of so much activity, but as the massive number of you playing does not seem to be subsiding, we have recently added more server capacity to PC EU to ensure that it stays that way."
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/58045

Whether or not it helped or will be offset by the coming influx for Greymoor, I leave it up to you to determine.

In that case I dread to think what performance would be like without those supposed upgrades because it's atrocious outside of overland or normal dungeons and even there it can't qualify as more than passable at best. And EU burned down more than once in that interval so I take umbrage at the "servers have been holding up" part. I can only assume that when Greymoor comes out in two weeks we'll see another compete burn down of EU which ZOS will ignore and claim that the game is still hipding up. And so will the NA part of the forum (only to go whine the moment you are the least bit inconvenienced).

EU right now isn't working unless you just chill overland (and stay well away from any dragon fight) and the odd normal dungeon. Vet content of any sprt, Cyrodill and even BGs are pretty much unplayable unless one enjoys massive cases of frustration

redgreensunset

Honestly at this point I can only suggest that the population on the EU server migrate wholesale to NA. Maybe when their prime marked is hit by the same atrocious performance they'd e arsed to actually act in a timely manner.

YandereGirlfriend

Performance on non-CP PC-NA is literally a Powerpoint presentation right now.

eso_lags

Thevampirenight wrote: »

As they have explained Pc Eu is their most populated Server. A lot of people play and now a lot more play possibly the most they have ever had so far. Factors including the coming of Greymoor not to mention the Covid 19 keeping people at home. What are they going to do well maybe play Video games and maybe play mmorpgs/mmos and maybe Eso is that game.
So the issue is there is so much more population of players now. That it likely is causing a big strain on the Eu server. Na I think is getting there at times. But not like the Eu. As both servers have seen an increase in player population.
It likely won't get better until a lot of those players move on or till things get back to normal.

Eu has always had problems and I think the server location is a factor or the isp or whatever it is down there. However I think the Covid is making it so much worse then before so hang in there. Once that New World Mmo comes out enough players might go to that and by doing so lesson the strain on the Eu server in the process.

So then why is console just as bad? This is just another bad excuse for years of performance decline.

IF they wont fix performance they really need to let console players transfer to PC, if they want to, because console pvp is unplayable when its anything other than dead. Idk why they are hell bent on ruining a perfectly good game. Maybe if they didnt neglect performance for years then it wouldn't have gotten this bad.

Now they have finally acknowledged the problem, but their fixes have failed so far so its hard to have any faith it will improve. They were talking about this back when elsweyr was released. So pretty much a year later and things are worse. Fantastic. But they are still pushing out content. Instead of taking 1 update off to put their entire team on fixing performance. Things just dont look good and its sad tbh.

Universe

Bradyfjord wrote: »

I feel for you guys on PC EU. NA has issues too. Hopefully ZOS can improve the server issues sooner rather than later.

Sometimes it seems that they are just not spending enough on server resources or infrastructure, like stronger CPU/bandwidth/better server routing etc.
The coding is the same for both PC NA and PC EU.

I think it is mainly Server resources or bad networking.
The coding may have a part in it it too(server calculations per second).

precambria

PC NA plays like garbage from Canada for many people, I don't even bother playing in the evening any more and I'm not talking about epic zergs in Cyrodil I can't even do 4 mans or BGs comfortably anymore. If PC EU is worse than that why does it even exist, it might be similar to the situation I'm in where location is very important because I can also watch streamers in the same games as me with 0 lag while I wrestle to get any spells to work it might be the same for the UK vs Moldova or something

Aleinzzs

wish i could agree with you, but it's just as bad on na. personally i dont think im gonna continue playing until they do something to fix overall server lag, for pve and especially for pvp.


It's absurd that pvp zones are full to the brim a large portion of the time, yet zos feels like pvp isn't worth their time to fix. At least that's how they've made it seem with the lack of overall responses.

Just tried hitting my nb's gap closer, jumped in place 4 times and didnt move, then was dead. With 100 down 50 up for my internet, this is absurd, and honestly just a waste of money at this point. It disappoints me that Zos doesn't seem to care. Really wish they did, cause if they put forth some effort it could be the best pvp out there on top of having some of the best pve.

Giljabrar

Thevampirenight wrote: »

One thing that Fengrush was mentioning one time on the Greymoor pts stream he did, was cross healing/buff stacking with groups and the cross healing and buff stacking that causes issues when faction stacking. So Ball Groups and Faction stacking causes a lot of issues and its because of the cross healing and buffs stacking. It stacks so much the servers can't handle it and it lags out.
Now I'm not sure how that connects to the aoe. But they are doing changes to reduce the strain of aoe effects so hopefully those changes can help with the cross healing issues. The Aoe changes were going to come with Greymoor but they got held back to update 27. Either way they do need to address the stacking. It wouldn't hurt either for them to reduce group size to a max of twelve.

Why do people keep quoting Fengrush on this? What makes him qualified to know what's causing the lag? Because he plays the game and streams?

Cross stacking heals and buffs have been in the game FOREVER.

Why is it all of the sudden causing all of these issues?

Laughable

Major_Lag

precambria wrote: »

PC NA plays like garbage from Canada for many people(...)

Well, PC-EU plays like garbage from the EU, it's so bad that it's much better to play on NA from EU instead.

Earlier this year, I abandoned my fully maxed PC-EU account with 10+ mil gold and AP on it, and I have no regrets. Don't care about getting frustrated and wasting my time playing on a broken server.

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VaranisArano wrote: »

Is this a bad time to mention that ZOS just upgraded the EU servers? It probably is.

Its almost like adding more server capacity isn't the silver bullet that's going to kill EU's performance problems.

I'd also caution against using streamers as representative gameplay when it comes to performance. If theirs wasn't on the good end of the playable spectrum, they wouldn't be streaming. Lots of players on NA experience terrible performance.

Is this a bad time to note that by zos' own admssion eu has higher server population and therefore quality/capacity of servers does matter as clearly na performs much better than eu?

While I get it that adding more capcity might not be best bang for buck from zos's perspective, it surely would make a massive difference from eu players' perspective if they could enjoy the same gaming experience as na.

Not that na is brilliant - but it is qualitatively better.

Elsonso

zvavi wrote: »

Ye I would buy it if game worked perfectly fine during non peak hours. And heck, this post is 1 year old. 1 year old of waiting for improvement in performance. While there was a slight jump from utter crap to the regular crap back then, it is half way back to uter crap again.

To be fair, there have been multiple improvements to performance over the course of this thread. You might disagree, and we can agree to disagree, but the game performance has improved, overall, from my perspective. Yes, there is still work to do. What I have seen from PTS is that it is even better there, but the final determination will have to wait to see if everything scales when put on Live. (Disclaimer: PC NA & EU only... I don't play XBox and stopped on PS4 years ago)

It will also be interesting, as things progress on the performance roadmap, how many things will shake out as not being related to ZOS or ESO, at all. ZOS isn't going to fix everything. Not every lag problem is because of ESO, but right now, those are getting dumped into the "ZOS needs to fix" box.

As an aside, I think a lot of people are misinterpreting what @VaranisArano said. Although they do not routinely share with us that they they plan add or upgrade hardware, we know this time that they are planning it, and so they have probably already done it. We also know that server hardware is not the whole problem. They have significant internal systems that are overloaded by the population. One thing to consider is that the additional hardware allows more people into the game, only to make the internal system problems more evident.