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Master Destro is WAY TOO STRONG
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I mean 600 SPD (750 buffed) - this is WAY MORE than every other 5 piece set and it is on demand,
Let's compare this to Master Bow - 300 wpd and it cannot be buffed by multipliers.
400 spd (500 buffed) will be more suitable value, keep in mind that this is magicka weapon and will be used by ranged players, where Master Bow in PvP is serving only to buff your front Melee bar.
Let's compare this to Master Bow - 300 wpd and it cannot be buffed by multipliers.
400 spd (500 buffed) will be more suitable value, keep in mind that this is magicka weapon and will be used by ranged players, where Master Bow in PvP is serving only to buff your front Melee bar.
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OlumoGarbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭No one uses Master Destro in Range
Also Magicka got nerfed so freaking hard its completly useless compared to stamina now.class representative for the working class, non-cp, bwb and Trolling20 -
Ruder✭✭✭✭OlumoGarbag wrote: »No one uses Master Destro in Range
Also Magicka got nerfed so freaking hard its completly useless compared to stamina now.
Can you explain where magicka was nerfed? All I see is stamina nerf (battlespirit healing)2 -
OlumoGarbag✭✭✭✭✭
✭OlumoGarbag wrote: »No one uses Master Destro in Range
Also Magicka got nerfed so freaking hard its completly useless compared to stamina now.
Can you explain where magicka was nerfed? All I see is stamina nerf (battlespirit healing)
you realize that magickas only defensive option is healing atm, as well as dmg mitigation. Both things got nerfed hard, it effects stamina as well bot is not hitting it nearly as hard as magicka.
With base Crit resist, stamina players can run wellfitted/sturdy or other traits to mitigate damage. Whilest magicka players will just sit there with useless heals trying to get any offensive window they can find. The only magicka builds viable will be petsorcs....class representative for the working class, non-cp, bwb and Trolling18 -
Blynjubitr✭✭✭I mean 600 SPD (750 buffed) - this is WAY MORE than every other 5 piece set and it is on demand,
Let's compare this to Master Bow - 300 wpd and it cannot be buffed by multipliers.
400 spd (500 buffed) will be more suitable value, keep in mind that this is magicka weapon and will be used by ranged players, where Master Bow in PvP is serving only to buff your front Melee bar.
In PvP maybe, speaking for PvE it is not gonna overperform anything and Destructive Reach is a weak dot.1 -
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✭Blynjubitr wrote: »I mean 600 SPD (750 buffed) - this is WAY MORE than every other 5 piece set and it is on demand,
Let's compare this to Master Bow - 300 wpd and it cannot be buffed by multipliers.
400 spd (500 buffed) will be more suitable value, keep in mind that this is magicka weapon and will be used by ranged players, where Master Bow in PvP is serving only to buff your front Melee bar.
In PvP maybe, speaking for PvE it is not gonna overperform anything and Destructive Reach is a weak dot.
its a viable backbar option compared to maelstrom for some niche builds, but maelstrom will always outperform it.
And yeah the dot is utterly useless in pvp as well.
Vampire feels terrible as well.
This will be a very bad patch for magick buildsclass representative for the working class, non-cp, bwb and Trolling2 -
Sordidfairytale✭✭✭✭✭I tested out Masters on the front bar with Maelstrom on the back bar. I was impressed. But I'm easily impressed.The Vegemite Knight
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Uh, do you think Magicka healing isn't affected by Battle Spirit or something?OlumoGarbag wrote: »No one uses Master Destro in Range
Also Magicka got nerfed so freaking hard its completly useless compared to stamina now.
Can you explain where magicka was nerfed? All I see is stamina nerf (battlespirit healing)
On the current live servers, I've seen Magicka Warden running Master Lightning Staves with their Shock Clench spammable doing more damage than their Shalks...but still less than Dizzying Swing, of course. It's really quite silly how much better of a spammable it is when compared to what else is available to Magicka builds, especially since one needs some dumb PvE weapon in order for it to work.
Sure, the spell damage on the PTS version is quite strong, but it'll also require a bar slot for an ability that no one is actually going to want to use. Without the built-in bonus damage from the live version of the staff (plus a lot less cost reduction), it probably won't be a particularly potent spammable anymore, and after the DOT nerf the other morph is basically worthless.2 -
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✭✭✭✭Suppose (in PvE) you use the Reach version of the skill, on cooldown. That's probably reasonably competitive with an extra cast of your spammable -- more raw damage but no secondary benefit -- so basically you're spending a bar slot to get an average extra Spell Power of 240, before multipliers. That's not a terrible use of a skill slot alone ... but it's nothing special, so it's surely not worth spending the equipment slot(s) for the weapon as well.
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✭✭✭✭✭Destructive(morph) skill is pretty weak, i dont see this being that strong
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Kuratius✭✭✭I mean 600 SPD (750 buffed) - this is WAY MORE than every other 5 piece set and it is on demand,
Let's compare this to Master Bow - 300 wpd and it cannot be buffed by multipliers.
400 spd (500 buffed) will be more suitable value, keep in mind that this is magicka weapon and will be used by ranged players, where Master Bow in PvP is serving only to buff your front Melee bar.
Where's your source on that? Pretty sure it gets buffed just like all other weapon damage bonuses in the game.0 -
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✭OlumoGarbag wrote: »No one uses Master Destro in Range
Also Magicka got nerfed so freaking hard its completly useless compared to stamina now.
nuance is not something the ESO PTS forum community has ever been good at.
Besides everyone was so damn adamant yesterday that monster sets and arena weapons had been nuked, when I read the patch notes all I saw where a few tweeks, yes, some nerfs to major outliers, and then a few sizeable buffs. I was excited for arena wep nerfs, I think its stupid that content that can be farmed with a 1-bar zoosorc but with massive RNG on the final loot is somehow "BIS" in the entire game.EU: Magden, Magknight, Stamsorc(*2), Magsorc
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✭✭✭✭✭OlumoGarbag wrote: »OlumoGarbag wrote: »No one uses Master Destro in Range
Also Magicka got nerfed so freaking hard its completly useless compared to stamina now.
Can you explain where magicka was nerfed? All I see is stamina nerf (battlespirit healing)
you realize that magickas only defensive option is healing atm, as well as dmg mitigation. Both things got nerfed hard, it effects stamina as well bot is not hitting it nearly as hard as magicka.
With base Crit resist, stamina players can run wellfitted/sturdy or other traits to mitigate damage. Whilest magicka players will just sit there with useless heals trying to get any offensive window they can find. The only magicka builds viable will be petsorcs....
Magicka has way more heals, shields and can block just fine like stamina?
The crit change is gonna let magicka spec more sturdy as well so they can block cast their 15k burst heals even easier.PS4 EU DC
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I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The staff is extremely strong. The spell itself may have lost damage, but it boosts all your dots and stuff by alot.
This will be every Necromancer's and Warden's best toy. Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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✭✭Haven't tried it for myself, but if you weave in reach every 4 seconds, like blastbones or sub assault, you get 600 unbuffed spell damage? Sounds pretty strong to me.EU PC0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Destructive(morph) skill is pretty weak, i dont see this being that strong
You wouldn't spam it. You'd just cast it every 4 seconds for a free +700 spell damage, which is pretty crazy on paper (that's roughly equivalent to the 5-piece set bonus for Spell Strategist, and that only affects a single target).
I'm happy to see a potential new BiS weapon replace vMA staff, but this definitely looks like it might be overtuned (testing will show us a clearer picture).Edited by MLGProPlayer on April 21, 2020 9:06AM2 -
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Shields? In PvP? What is this, 2018?leepalmer95 wrote: »OlumoGarbag wrote: »OlumoGarbag wrote: »No one uses Master Destro in Range
Also Magicka got nerfed so freaking hard its completly useless compared to stamina now.
Can you explain where magicka was nerfed? All I see is stamina nerf (battlespirit healing)
you realize that magickas only defensive option is healing atm, as well as dmg mitigation. Both things got nerfed hard, it effects stamina as well bot is not hitting it nearly as hard as magicka.
With base Crit resist, stamina players can run wellfitted/sturdy or other traits to mitigate damage. Whilest magicka players will just sit there with useless heals trying to get any offensive window they can find. The only magicka builds viable will be petsorcs....
Magicka has way more heals, shields and can block just fine like stamina?
The crit change is gonna let magicka spec more sturdy as well so they can block cast their 15k burst heals even easier.
There's also no patch-note about baseline crit resistance, but there is one regarding a nerf to the Impenetrable trait. Plus lots of defensive set nerfs, and plenty of new sources of armor penetration. It's also completely untrue that Magicka builds can "block just fine like stamina," at least in no-CP. Blocking with a staff on a Magicka build will destroy your Stamina pool in record time, and using 1h/shield comes with much more significant opportunity costs than it does for Stam builds.6 -
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✭✭Indeed. This is supposed to be Elder Scrolls Stamina Online. Everything Magicka is too strong and everything Stamina is too weak.
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Shields? In PvP? What is this, 2018?leepalmer95 wrote: »OlumoGarbag wrote: »OlumoGarbag wrote: »No one uses Master Destro in Range
Also Magicka got nerfed so freaking hard its completly useless compared to stamina now.
Can you explain where magicka was nerfed? All I see is stamina nerf (battlespirit healing)
you realize that magickas only defensive option is healing atm, as well as dmg mitigation. Both things got nerfed hard, it effects stamina as well bot is not hitting it nearly as hard as magicka.
With base Crit resist, stamina players can run wellfitted/sturdy or other traits to mitigate damage. Whilest magicka players will just sit there with useless heals trying to get any offensive window they can find. The only magicka builds viable will be petsorcs....
Magicka has way more heals, shields and can block just fine like stamina?
The crit change is gonna let magicka spec more sturdy as well so they can block cast their 15k burst heals even easier.
There's also no patch-note about baseline crit resistance, but there is one regarding a nerf to the Impenetrable trait. Plus lots of defensive set nerfs, and plenty of new sources of armor penetration. It's also completely untrue that Magicka builds can "block just fine like stamina," at least in no-CP. Blocking with a staff on a Magicka build will destroy your Stamina pool in record time, and using 1h/shield comes with much more significant opportunity costs than it does for Stam builds.
No its 2020 where shields are still strong af?
They mentioned a baseline crit before they posted notes, maybe it was forgotten it happens.
Also the games sadly isn't catered towards no cp, I wish it was. But either way with baseline crit res you could go like 4-5 sturdy if you wanted. Also don't block with a staff? Block with a ice staff or s&B like you are supposed too. If you use a resto staff then that is your choice to give up blocking for lots of healing and a defence *carry* ult.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
RIP my effort to get 5x v16 characters...1 -
Kolzki✭✭✭✭✭The staff has lost its 2000 flat damage buff and cost reduction. Does it work as a spammable now? I’m not sure without seeing it in tests.1 -
FirmamentOfStars✭✭✭✭✭The only class, which can use shields viably is magsorc. Most other classes dropped harness already and started to stack hots instead months ago. The current change to battle spirit is a nerf to all magclasses but magsorc and a nerf to stamblade and stamsorc, which have less healig power. Stamdks, stamdens and stamcros have strong healing and strong mitigation, which amkes them tanky enough to endure the healing reduction, meanwhile magclasses relying on bust heals as their main defense or stacking hots are going to feel that change the most (magplar, magdk, magcro, magden and magblade).6 -
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✭leepalmer95 wrote: »
Shields? In PvP? What is this, 2018?leepalmer95 wrote: »OlumoGarbag wrote: »OlumoGarbag wrote: »No one uses Master Destro in Range
Also Magicka got nerfed so freaking hard its completly useless compared to stamina now.
Can you explain where magicka was nerfed? All I see is stamina nerf (battlespirit healing)
you realize that magickas only defensive option is healing atm, as well as dmg mitigation. Both things got nerfed hard, it effects stamina as well bot is not hitting it nearly as hard as magicka.
With base Crit resist, stamina players can run wellfitted/sturdy or other traits to mitigate damage. Whilest magicka players will just sit there with useless heals trying to get any offensive window they can find. The only magicka builds viable will be petsorcs....
Magicka has way more heals, shields and can block just fine like stamina?
The crit change is gonna let magicka spec more sturdy as well so they can block cast their 15k burst heals even easier.
There's also no patch-note about baseline crit resistance, but there is one regarding a nerf to the Impenetrable trait. Plus lots of defensive set nerfs, and plenty of new sources of armor penetration. It's also completely untrue that Magicka builds can "block just fine like stamina," at least in no-CP. Blocking with a staff on a Magicka build will destroy your Stamina pool in record time, and using 1h/shield comes with much more significant opportunity costs than it does for Stam builds.
No its 2020 where shields are still strong af?
They mentioned a baseline crit before they posted notes, maybe it was forgotten it happens.
Also the games sadly isn't catered towards no cp, I wish it was. But either way with baseline crit res you could go like 4-5 sturdy if you wanted. Also don't block with a staff? Block with a ice staff or s&B like you are supposed too. If you use a resto staff then that is your choice to give up blocking for lots of healing and a defence *carry* ult.
Did you test that out? Bc it seems like youve never played a blocking magicka char in no cp. You cant just put a trillion cp in reduce cost trees and sustain. Your damage and defensive options are extremly limited. If you want to make a semi viable blocking build for mag you would end up with low damage.class representative for the working class, non-cp, bwb and Trolling3 -
FirmamentOfStars✭✭✭✭✭OlumoGarbag wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »
Shields? In PvP? What is this, 2018?leepalmer95 wrote: »OlumoGarbag wrote: »OlumoGarbag wrote: »No one uses Master Destro in Range
Also Magicka got nerfed so freaking hard its completly useless compared to stamina now.
Can you explain where magicka was nerfed? All I see is stamina nerf (battlespirit healing)
you realize that magickas only defensive option is healing atm, as well as dmg mitigation. Both things got nerfed hard, it effects stamina as well bot is not hitting it nearly as hard as magicka.
With base Crit resist, stamina players can run wellfitted/sturdy or other traits to mitigate damage. Whilest magicka players will just sit there with useless heals trying to get any offensive window they can find. The only magicka builds viable will be petsorcs....
Magicka has way more heals, shields and can block just fine like stamina?
The crit change is gonna let magicka spec more sturdy as well so they can block cast their 15k burst heals even easier.
There's also no patch-note about baseline crit resistance, but there is one regarding a nerf to the Impenetrable trait. Plus lots of defensive set nerfs, and plenty of new sources of armor penetration. It's also completely untrue that Magicka builds can "block just fine like stamina," at least in no-CP. Blocking with a staff on a Magicka build will destroy your Stamina pool in record time, and using 1h/shield comes with much more significant opportunity costs than it does for Stam builds.
No its 2020 where shields are still strong af?
They mentioned a baseline crit before they posted notes, maybe it was forgotten it happens.
Also the games sadly isn't catered towards no cp, I wish it was. But either way with baseline crit res you could go like 4-5 sturdy if you wanted. Also don't block with a staff? Block with a ice staff or s&B like you are supposed too. If you use a resto staff then that is your choice to give up blocking for lots of healing and a defence *carry* ult.
Did you test that out? Bc it seems like youve never played a blocking magicka char in no cp. You cant just put a trillion cp in reduce cost trees and sustain. Your damage and defensive options are extremly limited. If you want to make a semi viable blocking build for mag you would end up with low damage.
For blocking reliably, you need 7 sturdy, snb or ice staff, altmer and a reliably stamina sustain source in no cp. Even then blocking for more like 20 secs will make you have lost pretty much all your stamina.1 -
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✭✭✭✭The staff has lost its 2000 flat damage buff and cost reduction. Does it work as a spammable now? I’m not sure without seeing it in tests.
it's not a spammable anymore. it acts more similarly to vdsa bow now as a buffing skill. it works against all enemies, but has a quite short duration. it's very nice, but it's not overpowered like OP thinks.PvE Frost Warden Main and teacher. Come Join the ESO Frost Discord to discuss everything frost!: https://discord.gg/5PT3rQX3 -
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✭✭OlumoGarbag wrote: »Blynjubitr wrote: »I mean 600 SPD (750 buffed) - this is WAY MORE than every other 5 piece set and it is on demand,
Let's compare this to Master Bow - 300 wpd and it cannot be buffed by multipliers.
400 spd (500 buffed) will be more suitable value, keep in mind that this is magicka weapon and will be used by ranged players, where Master Bow in PvP is serving only to buff your front Melee bar.
In PvP maybe, speaking for PvE it is not gonna overperform anything and Destructive Reach is a weak dot.
its a viable backbar option compared to maelstrom for some niche builds, but maelstrom will always outperform it.
And yeah the dot is utterly useless in pvp as well.
Vampire feels terrible as well.
This will be a very bad patch for magick builds
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✭✭✭✭How does the AoE on Shock Clench currently work? 100% splash damage? What kind of radius? Is it anything other than an inferior Elemental Ring?0 -
Kolzki✭✭✭✭✭FrancisCrawford wrote: »How does the AoE on Shock Clench currently work? 100% splash damage? What kind of radius? Is it anything other than an inferior Elemental Ring?
I think it’s 5 m around the target. It’s stronger than elemental ring on live. As strong as a regular spammable for single target and aoe on my warden. It will be sad to lose that. Adding a 1 piece would have made it a really nice set. This new version is essentially a completely different weapon.2 -
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✭IxSTALKERxI wrote: »OlumoGarbag wrote: »Blynjubitr wrote: »I mean 600 SPD (750 buffed) - this is WAY MORE than every other 5 piece set and it is on demand,
Let's compare this to Master Bow - 300 wpd and it cannot be buffed by multipliers.
400 spd (500 buffed) will be more suitable value, keep in mind that this is magicka weapon and will be used by ranged players, where Master Bow in PvP is serving only to buff your front Melee bar.
In PvP maybe, speaking for PvE it is not gonna overperform anything and Destructive Reach is a weak dot.
its a viable backbar option compared to maelstrom for some niche builds, but maelstrom will always outperform it.
And yeah the dot is utterly useless in pvp as well.
Vampire feels terrible as well.
This will be a very bad patch for magick builds
I have over 10k spell power...
yeah but he said this will be a bad patch for mag builds. I reject your hard facts in place of this fine gentlemans feelings.EU: Magden, Magknight, Stamsorc(*2), Magsorc
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✭leepalmer95 wrote: »
Shields? In PvP? What is this, 2018?leepalmer95 wrote: »OlumoGarbag wrote: »OlumoGarbag wrote: »No one uses Master Destro in Range
Also Magicka got nerfed so freaking hard its completly useless compared to stamina now.
Can you explain where magicka was nerfed? All I see is stamina nerf (battlespirit healing)
you realize that magickas only defensive option is healing atm, as well as dmg mitigation. Both things got nerfed hard, it effects stamina as well bot is not hitting it nearly as hard as magicka.
With base Crit resist, stamina players can run wellfitted/sturdy or other traits to mitigate damage. Whilest magicka players will just sit there with useless heals trying to get any offensive window they can find. The only magicka builds viable will be petsorcs....
Magicka has way more heals, shields and can block just fine like stamina?
The crit change is gonna let magicka spec more sturdy as well so they can block cast their 15k burst heals even easier.
There's also no patch-note about baseline crit resistance, but there is one regarding a nerf to the Impenetrable trait. Plus lots of defensive set nerfs, and plenty of new sources of armor penetration. It's also completely untrue that Magicka builds can "block just fine like stamina," at least in no-CP. Blocking with a staff on a Magicka build will destroy your Stamina pool in record time, and using 1h/shield comes with much more significant opportunity costs than it does for Stam builds.
No its 2020 where shields are still strong af?
They mentioned a baseline crit before they posted notes, maybe it was forgotten it happens.
Also the games sadly isn't catered towards no cp, I wish it was. But either way with baseline crit res you could go like 4-5 sturdy if you wanted. Also don't block with a staff? Block with a ice staff or s&B like you are supposed too. If you use a resto staff then that is your choice to give up blocking for lots of healing and a defence *carry* ult.
Shields have been utter garbage for quite a while and won't become good out of a sudden - only class where shields are worth using (and kinda neccessary) is magsorc. And good luck trying to play magblade without resto staff.4 -
FirmamentOfStars✭✭✭✭✭validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »IxSTALKERxI wrote: »OlumoGarbag wrote: »Blynjubitr wrote: »I mean 600 SPD (750 buffed) - this is WAY MORE than every other 5 piece set and it is on demand,
Let's compare this to Master Bow - 300 wpd and it cannot be buffed by multipliers.
400 spd (500 buffed) will be more suitable value, keep in mind that this is magicka weapon and will be used by ranged players, where Master Bow in PvP is serving only to buff your front Melee bar.
In PvP maybe, speaking for PvE it is not gonna overperform anything and Destructive Reach is a weak dot.
its a viable backbar option compared to maelstrom for some niche builds, but maelstrom will always outperform it.
And yeah the dot is utterly useless in pvp as well.
Vampire feels terrible as well.
This will be a very bad patch for magick builds
I have over 10k spell power...
yeah but he said this will be a bad patch for mag builds. I reject your hard facts in place of this fine gentlemans feelings.
Magclasses will feel the healing reduction the most and they lost more monstersets than stamina...so magicka is kind of bad.0 -
kalunte✭✭✭✭✭i'll add that the buff only lasts 4sec, which is shorter than the DoT's duration, making it not this good. even if the spell power is a flat bonus while the weapon dmg on the masters bow is only "against a the target" (less healing, procs, whatever)0