Magsorcs are OP in BG deathmatch?

MurderMostFoul

EpicPwnBacon

Yes

Iv resorted to only playing in flag and land grab game modes due to the influx of magsorcs in death matches. Their tool kit feels far more superior than most other classes for it.

BaiterOfZergs

No

Op ? No. Too good at stealing kills regardless of skill level? Yes. And because of that now every match is filled with them again.

Personally I’ll go out my way to kill them.

Thogard

No

Just shorten the range of the execute imo

Hotdog_23

Yes and no both. Really depends on the individual person. Played some BG match today and come across a socr a few times who was getting alot of kills but at the same time they generally were in the top 3 damages totals for a group of 12. Obliviously they knew how to play and play very well. Other times you see socrs with a lot of kills but not very much damage. I Admit I see more of the second socr who get more kills considering the amount of damage they do overall.

HEBREWHAMMERRR

No

No, eventually when MMR balances out they’ll fall right back in line. Good to have and when played right are game changers but if you focus them and keep pressure they won’t do much.

Also have always agreed with @Thogard that reducing fury range would go a long way and has minimal effect on pvp and PvE.

MurderMostFoul

Yes

Thogard wrote: »

Just shorten the range of the execute imo

I like this, make therm get into the fray a bit if they want to steal those kills

MurderMostFoul

Yes

BaiterOfZergs wrote: »

Op ? No. Too good at stealing kills regardless of skill level? Yes. And because of that now every match is filled with them again.

Personally I’ll go out my way to kill them.

But specifically in Team Deathmatch, this often means stealing kills from your opponents. This can hugely swing the outcome.

Dakkx

No

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Relax.
I can probably count on one hand the number of good mag sorcs who play bgs on our server. Making fury melee is a stupid idea for the class that’s literally been a ranged caster since the inception of the class. All the good stuns are already melee like why not just make the whole game melee only. Make fury proc only when the caster brings the target to 20%.

MurderMostFoul

Yes

Dakkx wrote: »

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Relax.
I can probably count on one hand the number of good mag sorcs who play bgs on our server. Making fury melee is a stupid idea for the class that’s literally been a ranged caster since the inception of the class. All the good stuns are already melee like why not just make the whole game melee only. Make fury proc only when the caster brings the target to 20%.

There's going to be good and bad players on every class, but when mag sorc is played well, it becomes an obvious outlier in deathmatch bgs, consistently getting top kills and near zero deaths.

MurderMostFoul

Yes

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

No, eventually when MMR balances out they’ll fall right back in line. Good to have and when played right are game changers but if you focus them and keep pressure they won’t do much.

This may be true, once some of the clueless squish balls are separated from high mmr players.

But there's speculation that mmr matching is now occurring by matching teams with similar total mmrs, rather than having all 12 players have the similar mmrs. If that is the case, squish balls will be appearing in every match, and mag sorcs will continue to enjoy their shooting gallery.

Tommy_The_Gun

Yes

Tried BGs as a NB (mag and stam).
^ Compared to this, everything is OP lol.

Dakkx

No

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Dakkx wrote: »

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Relax.
I can probably count on one hand the number of good mag sorcs who play bgs on our server. Making fury melee is a stupid idea for the class that’s literally been a ranged caster since the inception of the class. All the good stuns are already melee like why not just make the whole game melee only. Make fury proc only when the caster brings the target to 20%.

There's going to be good and bad players on every class, but when mag sorc is played well, it becomes an obvious outlier in deathmatch bgs, consistently getting top kills and near zero deaths.

Exactly when it’s well played which isn’t often. Sure the not so great players will snake kills here and there but they’re practically made of 1 ply tissue paper. Try farming the fury spamming masses and you might change your mind and get more kills in the process. Maybe then you won’t feel the need to make nerf sorc threads in the future.

MurderMostFoul

Yes

Dakkx wrote: »

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

Dakkx wrote: »

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Relax.
I can probably count on one hand the number of good mag sorcs who play bgs on our server. Making fury melee is a stupid idea for the class that’s literally been a ranged caster since the inception of the class. All the good stuns are already melee like why not just make the whole game melee only. Make fury proc only when the caster brings the target to 20%.

There's going to be good and bad players on every class, but when mag sorc is played well, it becomes an obvious outlier in deathmatch bgs, consistently getting top kills and near zero deaths.

Exactly when it’s well played which isn’t often. Sure the not so great players will snake kills here and there but they’re practically made of 1 ply tissue paper. Try farming the fury spamming masses and you might change your mind and get more kills in the process. Maybe then you won’t feel the need to make nerf sorc threads in the future.

I already get plenty of kills, but I prefer to farm the players who can't just streak away.

Bashev

In groups filled with good players they are not OP. But if there are 2-3 bad players they can be easily killed by the sorcs as their execute has priority.

HEBREWHAMMERRR

No

Dakkx wrote: »

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Relax.
I can probably count on one hand the number of good mag sorcs who play bgs on our server. Making fury melee is a stupid idea for the class that’s literally been a ranged caster since the inception of the class. All the good stuns are already melee like why not just make the whole game melee only. Make fury proc only when the caster brings the target to 20%.

Do you accept me as a magsorc main? It’s just so much easier than my mnb (:

Good games last night man, had some awesome sorc showdowns with me you and pyper

HEBREWHAMMERRR

No

Dakkx wrote: »

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Relax.
I can probably count on one hand the number of good mag sorcs who play bgs on our server. Making fury melee is a stupid idea for the class that’s literally been a ranged caster since the inception of the class. All the good stuns are already melee like why not just make the whole game melee only. Make fury proc only when the caster brings the target to 20%.

Not melee range I always thought it’d be fair to give it the range of current clench - think it’s like 15-17m?

HEBREWHAMMERRR

No

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Tried BGs as a NB (mag and stam).
^ Compared to this, everything is OP lol.

Lol yeah. Day 1 mnb and I can dominate on him, but, I have to play my ass off. I can get triple the kills, 2-300k more damage and usually more group support with heals on msorc and minimal effort lol.

MurderMostFoul

Yes

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Tried BGs as a NB (mag and stam).
^ Compared to this, everything is OP lol.

Lol yeah. Day 1 mnb and I can dominate on him, but, I have to play my ass off. I can get triple the kills, 2-300k more damage and usually more group support with heals on msorc and minimal effort lol.

Not OP at all, lol!

oxygen_thief

No

you can steal a lot in melee if you know how. you mean fury spam under the op isnt it? i dont use fury on my sorc because its pretty useless most of the time when fighting tanky decent players.

HEBREWHAMMERRR

No

MurderMostFoul wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Tried BGs as a NB (mag and stam).
^ Compared to this, everything is OP lol.

Lol yeah. Day 1 mnb and I can dominate on him, but, I have to play my ass off. I can get triple the kills, 2-300k more damage and usually more group support with heals on msorc and minimal effort lol.

Not OP at all, lol!

I’m not your average BG player, it’s all I do though.

xWarbrain

No

Dakkx wrote: »

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Relax.
I can probably count on one hand the number of good mag sorcs who play bgs on our server. Making fury melee is a stupid idea for the class that’s literally been a ranged caster since the inception of the class. All the good stuns are already melee like why not just make the whole game melee only. Make fury proc only when the caster brings the target to 20%.

^This guy might be too OP in Deathmatch, but not Magsorcs in general.

And he's running no pet / no resto. Respect. I was inspired to try it. They definitely aren't OP if you don't know how to use it lmao

Wtb sorc lessons.

Dakkx

No

xWarbrain wrote: »

Dakkx wrote: »

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Relax.
I can probably count on one hand the number of good mag sorcs who play bgs on our server. Making fury melee is a stupid idea for the class that’s literally been a ranged caster since the inception of the class. All the good stuns are already melee like why not just make the whole game melee only. Make fury proc only when the caster brings the target to 20%.

^This guy might be too OP in Deathmatch, but not Magsorcs in general.

And he's running no pet / no resto. Respect. I was inspired to try it. They definitely aren't OP if you don't know how to use it lmao

Wtb sorc lessons.

brandonv516

Yes

Sorc has a serious advantage at the moment on console because we don't have the patch fix yet.

When we can break free, switch bars, weave fluidly, etc. it will hopefully be more balanced. Take Magblade for example - a class that needs light attacks to work to properly sustain. Can't sustain? You dead.

Sorc will still be good ofc but not a given for the terrible ones like right now. Too many players I watch lagging and many Sorcs just zapping and getting tons of easy kills.

Some are good though - most are bad.

ImSoPro

No

Only thing they’re OP at is killstealing. Crack that shield and they’re soft as warm butter. I have ran into some strong sorcs but they’re far from OP.

MurderMostFoul

Yes

ImSoPro wrote: »

Only thing they’re OP at is killstealing. Crack that shield and they’re soft as warm butter. I have ran into some strong sorcs but they’re far from OP.

But killstealing can easily determine the outcome of a deathmatch BG. I limited the poll to that specific circumstance.

ku5h

No

Far from OP, but i'm all for changing up the skill, since it's trash anyway.
- Make it proc only off of casters dmg, but make it faster, since right now it's slow as *** and easily dodgable, so really not worth a slot
- Turn it into cool and unique class spammable, since frags can be effectively used as a finisher anyways. Then switch up Blood magic passive with Expert mage passive, so we can actually have use from Blood magic passive

Urzigurumash

No

I vote no because it's too early in the patch to say for me, but mostly because in my view any insight to this matter for non-MagSorcs is probably still clouded by the Infinite Sorc Pet Health Bug, which was remedied only within the last 6 months or so. I can't remember which patch.

I think many of us have flashbacks to this bugged PetSorc era whenever we see MagSorcs doing well early in a patch.

Also because so far I've been an absolute slug in DM, but still doing my thing in Objectives so I can't complain.

HEBREWHAMMERRR

No

Urzigurumash wrote: »

I vote no because it's too early in the patch to say for me, but mostly because in my view any insight to this matter for non-MagSorcs is probably still clouded by the Infinite Sorc Pet Health Bug, which was remedied only within the last 6 months or so. I can't remember which patch.

I think many of us have flashbacks to this bugged PetSorc era whenever we see MagSorcs doing well early in a patch.

Also because so far I've been an absolute slug in DM, but still doing my thing in Objectives so I can't complain.

Well said. I mained mnb for so long but leveled a sorc second and even I sat mine because of how broken rune prison magsorc was 😂 everyone despises magsorcs because they steal kills extremely effectively. They’re still tough to play and squishy if you drain their stam.

Urzigurumash

No

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Well said. I mained mnb for so long but leveled a sorc second and even I sat mine because of how broken rune prison magsorc was 😂 everyone despises magsorcs because they steal kills extremely effectively. They’re still tough to play and squishy if you drain their stam.

I've always thought it was reasonably equitable, and in line with RPG tradition, that MagSorcs were capable of the highest amount of sustained damage output, but had little chance of survival if caught low on stam and with their shields down. These days, it seems a good magsorc knows to evade us 2h Stam in 1v1, whereas during the PetSorc meta they were almost invincible in any setting. Sorc Pets are still an excellent counter to Leap and various Stam proc sets, but at least I can now effectively dispatch of them before engaging the Sorc.

As to that evasion, this stun on Streak is a little challenging for me, but in the short period of time after the Pet Health fix and before the addition of stun to Streak (or at least before its widespread use), I found MagSorc to be a bit weak. I guess now I should slot Chains over other gap closers to help against Streak, but it's often unreliable.

For the most part, I would rather face a MagSorc 1v1 than a MagNB. On top of that, I don't have a clear memory of ever losing a Chaosball / Relic game to a MagSorc-led team.

I always assume you are on MagNB when I see 5 stars, I recall we've had a match or two lately where we dominated together, but every time I've recently had the fortune to be on Dakkx's team I was stumbling and flopping all over the place.

Weesacs

No

The only class I'm feeling is OP at the moment is stamcro