How often do you die in PVP? (Cyrodiil not BG)

Ascarl

Once every 10 minutes

I die a lot. One reason is the campaign reward system. Foir a player like me the 50 Tramsmution crystal geodes are the most interesting. This results me to dust off some characters once I month to get enough AP for the reward. With zero routine you die a lot.

I do better on the chars I am more experienced with though.

hasi

Almost instantly repeatedly

Voted for this because any other option is highly unrealistic if you are actually involved in battles, which I am assuming with this Poll.

Edit: I am not counting the time I need to ride to the Battle on my 20 Speed Mount as survived.

newtinmpls

Almost instantly repeatedly

PvP anywhere, Cyrodill, Imperial City, Battlegrounds, I die quickly.

I'm not a PvP player, there are tons better than me out there.

TheFM

Once every 30 minutes

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

I know that there is no way to measure this on console, and it will vary greatly by play style, but I wanted to do an informal survey on how often you actually die in PVP.

It depends on the lag. If I'm lagging behind and have delay, quite often, if the game runs properly about once an hour or half n hour.

Paramedicus

where is option to vote "on every loading screen"?

Rake

Once every 30 minutes

Once every 30 minutes per minute

JanTanhide

Once every 10 minutes

Depends on how much I hide! LOL.

TheFM

Once every 30 minutes

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

I know that there is no way to measure this on console, and it will vary greatly by play style, but I wanted to do an informal survey on how often you actually die in PVP.

It depends on the lag. If I'm lagging behind and have delay, quite often, if the game runs properly about once an hour or half n hour.

Paramedicus wrote: »

where is option to vote "on every loading screen"?

The best is when you are fighting someone, you get a loading screen, come back dead and they teabag you.

Congratulations buddy, you won against a loading screen. Kudos.

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO

I dont die...I play pvp tank and that's the whole point of it...to kite around EP lil zergs and get them killed by some experienced small scale.

TheFM

Once every 30 minutes

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO wrote: »

I dont die...I play pvp tank and that's the whole point of it...to kite around EP lil zergs and get them killed by some experienced small scale.

" small scale " aka multiple small zergs aka a zerg. We make fun of this all the time in my groups " oh look its a very large small scale group cuz they never zerg apparently "

Michaelkeir

Once an hour or less

I play a bow ganker. So I hardly start a fight if I can't end it in under 10 secs. And if they survive that initial attack, then I back off and pick another target or attack when their distracted with someone else.

So I hardly die. Even if we about to lose a keep to an enemy zerg, I just stealth out and slip out the back.

AhPook_Is_Here

Once an hour or less

I mean technically you never die, you get KO'd and then if a buddy doesn't give you smelling salts, paramedics drop you off at a transit station.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Once every 30 minutes

hasi wrote: »

Voted for this because any other option is highly unrealistic if you are actually involved in battles, which I am assuming with this Poll.

Edit: I am not counting the time I need to ride to the Battle on my 20 Speed Mount as survived.

All due respect, it is very common for a player to be involved in heavy fighting in a major Zerg vs Zerg battle to survive for 30 plus minutes and have a K/D ratio of like 40-0.

I’m unsure how anyone could do this as a brawling type character - I sure as heck couldn’t - but a ranged character, absolutely. Especially if that person knows how to self heal and has some sort of stealth capability, even if just a 15 second invisibility potion.

In a 20 on 20 or 50 on 50 type battle I would not be surprised to see 90% of the kills by 10% of the players and those players often live the longest.

Edit to add - radiant oppression alone let’s me do this. I’m not 40-0 good. Not even close. But I’ve done it a bunch of times (fill up a kill 40 without dying in like 30 minutes) mostly just by standing 20 meters behind the front line and blindly spamming RO into the crowd. Also the game gives people outsized credit for kills. There really is no reason for a negative K/D ratio.

deepseamk20b14_ESO

Once an hour or less

Once and hour because thats how long it takes to ride from keep to keep.

Kidding aside, if you really aren't dying more than once an hour you’re probably RPing in place far away from keeps or sitting in BG starting area taking up a spot while everyone is doing the business.

PrimusNephilim

Almost instantly repeatedly

I die all the time but I don't care, PvP is fun

Cavedog

geonsocal wrote: »

good to have you back @THEDKEXPERIENCE

i actually bought a t-shirt that describes this very situation:

I had to log in and comment just to say thanks for that.

To address the OP's question, it depends. Sometimes things are really hot, and as a primarily solo player, I get rolled repeatedly by ball groups. If I get a series of 1v1's it's a different story.

BUT.....the motto is:

"If you ain't dyin', you ain't tryin'!"

Iskiab

Once an hour or less

Depends on the night. Thing about kill counter, it counts how many players you’ve tagged so assists right? Not killing blows?

If you’re in a pug group of 24, then to break even you’d need to be 100-4 or so.

I don’t think not dying is the best measure of success though. I care more about whether I accomplish my objective or not, if I’m attacking a keep do I take it? If I’m defending a keep do we keep it? Not dying is easy, just hide behind other people and be the first to run away, but that doesn’t mean you’re contributing much or being successful.

Ye_Olde_Crowe

Almost instantly repeatedly

Almost always... If I meet someone. But usually I try not to meet others in Cyrodiil (did I mention I love scouting missions?).

hasi

Almost instantly repeatedly

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

hasi wrote: »

Voted for this because any other option is highly unrealistic if you are actually involved in battles, which I am assuming with this Poll.

Edit: I am not counting the time I need to ride to the Battle on my 20 Speed Mount as survived.

All due respect, it is very common for a player to be involved in heavy fighting in a major Zerg vs Zerg battle to survive for 30 plus minutes and have a K/D ratio of like 40-0.

I’m unsure how anyone could do this as a brawling type character - I sure as heck couldn’t - but a ranged character, absolutely. Especially if that person knows how to self heal and has some sort of stealth capability, even if just a 15 second invisibility potion.

In a 20 on 20 or 50 on 50 type battle I would not be surprised to see 90% of the kills by 10% of the players and those players often live the longest.

Edit to add - radiant oppression alone let’s me do this. I’m not 40-0 good. Not even close. But I’ve done it a bunch of times (fill up a kill 40 without dying in like 30 minutes) mostly just by standing 20 meters behind the front line and blindly spamming RO into the crowd. Also the game gives people outsized credit for kills. There really is no reason for a negative K/D ratio.

Yes, but that is one Battle out of how many? Over the time of playing several hours, it's highly unrealistic to only end up in such fights and thus survive over an hour or more without dying as many state here.

Lots of people here count in riding time etc., so times like 10 minutes or even 30 are okay. But 1 hour? You have to be a Snipe-Run-Hide Player to manage that on a daily and average basis.

butterrum222

Almost instantly repeatedly

This is the most balanced poll I’ve seen

JumpmanLane

Once an hour or less

hasi wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

hasi wrote: »

Voted for this because any other option is highly unrealistic if you are actually involved in battles, which I am assuming with this Poll.

Edit: I am not counting the time I need to ride to the Battle on my 20 Speed Mount as survived.

All due respect, it is very common for a player to be involved in heavy fighting in a major Zerg vs Zerg battle to survive for 30 plus minutes and have a K/D ratio of like 40-0.

I’m unsure how anyone could do this as a brawling type character - I sure as heck couldn’t - but a ranged character, absolutely. Especially if that person knows how to self heal and has some sort of stealth capability, even if just a 15 second invisibility potion.

In a 20 on 20 or 50 on 50 type battle I would not be surprised to see 90% of the kills by 10% of the players and those players often live the longest.

Edit to add - radiant oppression alone let’s me do this. I’m not 40-0 good. Not even close. But I’ve done it a bunch of times (fill up a kill 40 without dying in like 30 minutes) mostly just by standing 20 meters behind the front line and blindly spamming RO into the crowd. Also the game gives people outsized credit for kills. There really is no reason for a negative K/D ratio.

Yes, but that is one Battle out of how many? Over the time of playing several hours, it's highly unrealistic to only end up in such fights and thus survive over an hour or more without dying as many state here.

Lots of people here count in riding time etc., so times like 10 minutes or even 30 are okay. But 1 hour? You have to be a Snipe-Run-Hide Player to manage that on a daily and average basis.

Well I don’t count riding time. I ride as little as possible. There are tons of little fights in between. Like ganking fools happening by. Capping resources and waiting. I’m a MagDk. Flame Lash is my highest killing blow. Not counting powerlash which is respectable on its on. Followed by leap, then Degen, then light attack.

I got into an argument with a dummy I hate who tossed his Kill/Deaths out to prove a point. It was like 158 and 5. I’d just started. I was like 50 and 1.

For long time players I think stats like that are pretty common. Experienced players, with min maxed builds, knowledge of positioning aren’t going out and repeatedly dying. They just ain’t getting killed like that in Cyro.

As for killing, it goes both ways. You can merely tag a dummy and he dies and it counts as a kill. Or you could put 99% of the damage on someone and not get the killing blow. So, kills aren’t THAT important. It’s more a testament to being actively fighting.

Simply put, it’s quite common for experienced players to be actively fighting as evidenced by the players they killed (1v1, 1vX, 2vX XvX, etc). And not die that much.

Positioning, target selection, knowledge of classes, just knowing what to be doing at any given time can contribute to that.

If you subtract performance based deaths (skills not going off, lag, being stuck on a bar), being unaware of a Zerg, being AFK or something, or just yoloing just to see what would happen, experienced players would die even less.

Deathlord92

geonsocal wrote: »

good to have you back @THEDKEXPERIENCE

i actually bought a t-shirt that describes this very situation:

Exactly 😂😂😂😂

Iskiab

Once an hour or less

hasi wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

hasi wrote: »

Voted for this because any other option is highly unrealistic if you are actually involved in battles, which I am assuming with this Poll.

Edit: I am not counting the time I need to ride to the Battle on my 20 Speed Mount as survived.

All due respect, it is very common for a player to be involved in heavy fighting in a major Zerg vs Zerg battle to survive for 30 plus minutes and have a K/D ratio of like 40-0.

I’m unsure how anyone could do this as a brawling type character - I sure as heck couldn’t - but a ranged character, absolutely. Especially if that person knows how to self heal and has some sort of stealth capability, even if just a 15 second invisibility potion.

In a 20 on 20 or 50 on 50 type battle I would not be surprised to see 90% of the kills by 10% of the players and those players often live the longest.

Edit to add - radiant oppression alone let’s me do this. I’m not 40-0 good. Not even close. But I’ve done it a bunch of times (fill up a kill 40 without dying in like 30 minutes) mostly just by standing 20 meters behind the front line and blindly spamming RO into the crowd. Also the game gives people outsized credit for kills. There really is no reason for a negative K/D ratio.

Yes, but that is one Battle out of how many? Over the time of playing several hours, it's highly unrealistic to only end up in such fights and thus survive over an hour or more without dying as many state here.

Lots of people here count in riding time etc., so times like 10 minutes or even 30 are okay. But 1 hour? You have to be a Snipe-Run-Hide Player to manage that on a daily and average basis.

Well to be fair I play a tanky healer. When I go out solo I die a lot more often.

When I’m solo I spec more glassy to make sure I have the damage to kill people and always run into small scale groups.

Mr_Walker

estat time!

Joy_Division

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Once an hour or less?

Are you people RPing at the home gates?

I went 77 and 1 playing three hours tonight. Started off 4 and 1. Killed 1 guy. Killed 2 more. all 1v1's. Rode to an X on the map. Thought I was entering something like a 3v3 and ended up in a 1 v FACTION (AD late night lmao). Dropped one before they got me. There was a LONG faction vs faction vs faction fight at Alessia. Hour and a half at least. Dropped a ton kiting, you know hopping behind rocks and trees. Most of the AD didnt know what they were doing, bunching up in the open. There was at least 1 ball group playing hero. All them fools got mopped. DC mostly just stood and watched. I saw a DC streamer bait some pugs into some rocks. Then i was like "F it!" I ran over there and made sure he died. Coming out to a 50v50 and trying to 1vx pugs. Ok, film this lmao.

Day before I went 61 and O. AD faction stacked Arrius. Them fools rode past a TON of red keeps just so they could fight as ONE ENTIRE FACTION at Arrius. I said "F it!" I set up by this one rock and some trees and ganked like 5 or 6 stragglers 1v1 just to keep them honest. Like you REALLY think you can just ride up to a red keep, join your ENTIRE faction and think it's all gravy. Nah, you gonna have to BRAWL round here. Mind ya I'm on a Magdk lol.

Day before that I went 80 something and 2. Started off with a legit 1vx. I versus four. Baited one killed him. Killed the next two together getting one of them low. Killed the other one. The last one tried to run . killed him. Two were 1100 cp or so. one was 900. the last one was level 22. Saved him for last.

Day before that I was testing some cheese. Put 37 into to Siphoner to see what was up. The results were inconclusive. folks ran or died. I went 58 or 59 and 0.

Cyrodill nowdays is filled with a bunch of newer players who just have no idea what they are doing. Build-wise or fighting. Using RAT provides a TON of mobility on a MagDk. It's STRONG. With the nerfs to bleeds, dots (except mine), oblivion damage , and defile, running Snb Ice Staff, BTB Succession,1 Domihaus, 1 whatever is is ALL RIGHT. Templars are tough. Sorcs can be a chore. I can get em 1v1 if I watch my resources and stay offensive. I aint saying I'm the greatest PvPer in the world. Any REALLY SKILLED player can get me in a 1v1 cause I dont duel as much as I should. Always seemed like gimp fests to me: "Can't run this. Can't run that. THAT'S Cheese!" But I can brawl a lil bit. I REALLY just dont die that much in Cyro. Choosing the right spots to fight I'd day was key. Positioning. Having mobility and a way out in a pinch. and DAMAGE for days.Great sustain and good mitigation and %damage reduction.

The thing is, if you're 77 and 1, are you really challenging yourself? Are you bailing on objectives when outnumbered?

Faulgor

Once every 30 minutes

Depends what's going on at the time, but key is not to engage if you don't think you can survive. Maybe every 20 mins is closer, overall.

BoraxFlux

On average somewhere between 10 -30 minutes (Argonian magplar healer PC noCP).

When sieging I use siege shields and heals and don't die as often.

Up in the frontal line with pugs is my bread and butter, various sorts of battles, fast paced, great risk, entertaining & hones the skills. Significantly more deaths.

Alone on the road I travel to objectives, often negating distractions, if countered, I prolong until either side dies, bores off or escape(s). Doesn't happen often.

Maxx7410

Never!!!! (i always come back!)

JumpmanLane

Once an hour or less

Joy_Division wrote: »

JumpmanLane wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Once an hour or less?

Are you people RPing at the home gates?

I went 77 and 1 playing three hours tonight. Started off 4 and 1. Killed 1 guy. Killed 2 more. all 1v1's. Rode to an X on the map. Thought I was entering something like a 3v3 and ended up in a 1 v FACTION (AD late night lmao). Dropped one before they got me. There was a LONG faction vs faction vs faction fight at Alessia. Hour and a half at least. Dropped a ton kiting, you know hopping behind rocks and trees. Most of the AD didnt know what they were doing, bunching up in the open. There was at least 1 ball group playing hero. All them fools got mopped. DC mostly just stood and watched. I saw a DC streamer bait some pugs into some rocks. Then i was like "F it!" I ran over there and made sure he died. Coming out to a 50v50 and trying to 1vx pugs. Ok, film this lmao.

Day before I went 61 and O. AD faction stacked Arrius. Them fools rode past a TON of red keeps just so they could fight as ONE ENTIRE FACTION at Arrius. I said "F it!" I set up by this one rock and some trees and ganked like 5 or 6 stragglers 1v1 just to keep them honest. Like you REALLY think you can just ride up to a red keep, join your ENTIRE faction and think it's all gravy. Nah, you gonna have to BRAWL round here. Mind ya I'm on a Magdk lol.

Day before that I went 80 something and 2. Started off with a legit 1vx. I versus four. Baited one killed him. Killed the next two together getting one of them low. Killed the other one. The last one tried to run . killed him. Two were 1100 cp or so. one was 900. the last one was level 22. Saved him for last.

Day before that I was testing some cheese. Put 37 into to Siphoner to see what was up. The results were inconclusive. folks ran or died. I went 58 or 59 and 0.

Cyrodill nowdays is filled with a bunch of newer players who just have no idea what they are doing. Build-wise or fighting. Using RAT provides a TON of mobility on a MagDk. It's STRONG. With the nerfs to bleeds, dots (except mine), oblivion damage , and defile, running Snb Ice Staff, BTB Succession,1 Domihaus, 1 whatever is is ALL RIGHT. Templars are tough. Sorcs can be a chore. I can get em 1v1 if I watch my resources and stay offensive. I aint saying I'm the greatest PvPer in the world. Any REALLY SKILLED player can get me in a 1v1 cause I dont duel as much as I should. Always seemed like gimp fests to me: "Can't run this. Can't run that. THAT'S Cheese!" But I can brawl a lil bit. I REALLY just dont die that much in Cyro. Choosing the right spots to fight I'd day was key. Positioning. Having mobility and a way out in a pinch. and DAMAGE for days.Great sustain and good mitigation and %damage reduction.

The thing is, if you're 77 and 1, are you really challenging yourself? Are you bailing on objectives when outnumbered?

Well, it’s at a point now where I’ve been pvping for years. I started full cp PvP at level 10. As soon as I got the invite. I learned the class from one of the best MagDk’s PCNA. Period.

When, I’m in Cyro, it’s all about “doing it by the numbers.”- that is, doing what I’m supposed to be doing, when I’m supposed to be doing it, where I’m supposed to be doing it. It’s not about “challenging my self” it’s about “doing it right.”

I’m beyond the stage of smashing myself against Zergs and figuring out how to live. I never ran a tanky crutch build to survive long enough to learn how to kill. I’ve always run DAMAGE. I was taught to build around that. I was taught, “if you can add anything, add DAMAGE.”

I run MY builds now, suited to MY play style. I fight whatever shows up HOWEVER it shows up. 1v1, 1vX, XvX, Xv1. I took the time, to learn to kite and fight organized ball Zergs, when most people avoided them or logged. I cut my teeth on TKG!

I’ve fought behind the gates defending Skyshards on EP when the WHOLE MAP was painted yellow by nightcappers and EVERYBODY had logged. I spent hours with same 1vXer who taught me EVERYTHING, mapping out places to kite in and around SKYSHARDS.

I know when to engage and disengage. I’ve fought when a SKYSHARD was the ONLY objective left ON the map because MY objective in Cyro ain’t the campaign, it ain’t “looking for fights.” My objective is to frustrate my enemies goals, whatever they may be by FIGHTING him, HOWEVER he happens to show up, even if it’s just to get a skyshard after he’s captured everything else, and my FACTION has bailed by logging out of Cyro. lol.

xshatox

Once an hour or less

I play 2-3 hours before go to sleep and during that time I probably died 5-10 time depend on how much activity I do, I play solo and never in a group. But when I play magsorc I rarely died since when in trouble or expected to lose in fight i just strike away into sunset