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Shocking, repeated cheating by a guild PC NA Kaal
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Cavedog✭✭✭✭✭
✭JamieAubrey wrote: »I wonder if he's abusing potions that kill you, as if you die to a potion while letting an NPC hit you ( so you can port to any keep ) you don't drop the scroll and can port to any keep, maybe this is what they do
Imagine being able to use consumables/skills on command in cp cyro.Lmao they purposely do it yet that's not exploiting? Then nothing is an exploit since it's all on zos right?
I saw EP do it once and they just let the timer run out so it reset
Also if you actually paid attention then you'd know console players have complained about it since like 6-8 months ago and yes it is repeatable 😂It’s a bug. If you die while picking it up you can rez and not know it. It’s confirmed it’s a bug because that person a) cannot see the scroll, b) cannot place the scroll down c) has to die or log off for anyone else to see the scroll.
It happens in battlegrounds too. People rez with the chaos ball in their spawn point.
It’s happened to me before.
It’s not like coordinating with AD to double team, public discord spying, and stream sniping Fengrush and others like EP brags about doing. Unintentional bugs aren’t the same as EP intentional underhanded tactics.
Using a bug on purpose to do that is exploiting no matter how you paint it.
You can’t time when someone kills you, how is it “on purpose”?
Forum warriors don’t have to believe, I know for a fact it’s an unintentional bug and there’s no way to guarantee it or else everyone would be doing it every single time. It’s a fluke from lag. The only thing that will fix it is Zos cleaning up lag. Believe what you like, I know the truth and accusing an entire guild or calling people names or impugning their character on the forums is toothless.
It's intentional. What is your motivation for covering for the exploiters?2 -
xxthir13enxx✭✭✭✭✭
✭Long story short
Zos needs to Fix the Issue where players die carrying the Scroll respawn with the Scroll instead of it Dropping where they were killed.4 -
Cavedog✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, it is a bug where the scroll persists after the carrier is rezed. This is a "BUG" in the game.
The correct action to take is to try and record a clip of it and or type up a report (all factions can help with this) and forward it to the correct section under support.
It is not something anyone meant to happen either. Please stop making false claims on particular guilds or players. I've been friends with this guild for a few years and knowing them I know they do NOT tolerate cheating. No one can convince me otherwise. Their stance on cheating... the player would be removed from the guild immediately and likely reported.
It has happened before where EP did get the advantage over DC. It is possible that all factions have been affected by this bug. If it happens again, hopefully, someone will have a video clip of it to share with the proper support team. I am hopeful that ALL FACTIONS do not have to deal with this again because it does really stink for the faction(s) doing their best to save the scroll.
Except they ARE tolerating cheating; by the same guy, wearing their tabbord, day in and day out. That makes the entire guild accessories if not first hand participants. Sorry, that's how it works. If you don't police your own, you get accused of doing the same.10 -
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✭✭✭✭✭xxthir13enxx wrote: »Long story short
Zos needs to Fix the Issue where players die carrying the Scroll respawn with the Scroll instead of it Dropping where they were killed.
Pretty much.
I'm not surprised its taken them forever since it appears to be an underlying problem that also effects Chaosball and Volundrung. Unfortunately, ZOS is not good at fixing underlying problems that result in breaking multiple things.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »What you continue to miss is that it doesn't actually matter where the player rezzes up with the scroll. That's the glitch happening, not the exploit itself. The player can't intentionally make the glitch happen. Nor can the enemy players determine when the glitch is going to happen if they kill a scroll runner. So that whole argument of "If they knew about it, why rez at Arrius?" doesn't really matter. That's just one particular instance of the glitch happening.
Actually, no. What I continue to miss is that, if the glitch is unpredictable and can't be produced at will, then why do people say it was a deliberate exploit and cheating?
And saying that, well okay then, it's true that there was no way the DC player could have deliberately made the glitch happen, and no way for them to know they still had the scroll when they rezzed at a nearby keep, so that explains why they didn't rez at a much more convenient place deep within their own territory, but really and truly the exploit and cheat was that they didn't immediately run back to the Gate of Chim and dutifully hand over the scroll to EP is just... kind of daft, really.
I mean, I get that the honorable and gentlemanly thing would be to do that, but it's completely unrealistic.
It's a war zone, and the whole point of all the intense fighting that was going on in that video was for the attacking players (be they DC, EP, or AD) to get their hands on the enemy's scroll and then try to run it back to one of their own forts without getting killed by the enemy-- or, for that matter, by the third alliance. To actually run the scroll back to the enemy and politely hand it over so everybody could try it all again from the top and, gee people, let's all hope that this time the glitch doesn't recur-- okay, is everybody back in their places and ready to try again, okay, wait for it, wait for it, no, get back in line and wait for it, wait for it, okay, ACTION-- that would have been totally contrary to everything that was going on in the first place, not to mention that it would never in a million years actually happen and thus it's completely unrealistic to suggest that it should have happened.
Don't get me wrong; I absolutely think it would be nice if it could happen like that. And sometimes I've seen unexpectedly nice things happen in Cyrodiil between players of opposing alliances. Last night I got weary of being repeatedly wiped by a zerg of EP players while trying to help my fellow DC players defend a keep, so I took a short break to go race down south, deep into AD territory, to capture a mine and scout a farm that I had missions for. I captured the mine first, and as I'm sitting there on my horse waiting for the flag to finish changing to the DC standard, up rides a lone AD player and stops beside the flag. They didn't attack me, just let me sit there unmolested for another 2 seconds while the flag finished flipping. They they let me ride away without attacking me. They knew, and I knew, that they were just going to retake the mine as soon as I left, but they let me finish capturing the mine and then ride away. Were they some friend who recognized me? Were they waiting for 12 more of their fellow AD players to come back them up? Did they figure they'd get more AP by letting the mine go to DC so they could recapture it for AD as opposed to killing me? (I don't know how much AP you get for killing enemies when you don't have a mission to kill enemy players, but whenever I've managed to kill an enemy player I didn't get squat for it.) I have no idea, and I wasn't about to stick around and find out. But it was pretty cool.
Just as in actual warfare, that sort of unexpected nice thing can happen between two random people on opposing sides. But there's no chance in Oblivion that it could ever happen during intense fighting when everyone is blood-crazed and battle-mad.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!2 -
Vicinia✭✭✭✭It’s a bug. If you die while picking it up you can rez and not know it. It’s confirmed it’s a bug because that person a) cannot see the scroll, b) cannot place the scroll down c) has to die or log off for anyone else to see the scroll.
It happens in battlegrounds too. People rez with the chaos ball in their spawn point.
It’s happened to me before.
It’s not like coordinating with AD to double team, public discord spying, and stream sniping Fengrush and others like EP brags about doing. Unintentional bugs aren’t the same as EP intentional underhanded tactics.
EP are all so evil. Its amazing how ALL the decietful trash players all just gather in one alliance while all the virtuous and superior individuals are in DC. How dare they snipe fengrush. Disgusting.
Some type of conspiracy.
DC ? Virtuous? Oh boy. That's hilarious.
Any side with elves lacks virtue
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✭✭✭✭✭This bug has gone from happening very rarely, to happening 3 days in a row. But I'm sure no one is actually exploiting this bug.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭You know, I always thought it was kind of funny-- and also a bit sad-- how people of different alliances can harbor so much animosity toward each other. I mean, I have characters in all three alliances (even if the only characters I spend any amount of time playing happen to be a Breton and two Redguards), and I know that many other players do, too. So one might expect that people would have a little more sportsmanship toward each other in Cyrodiil, the Imperial City, and the Imperial Sewers.
But now that I've started spending more time in Cyrodiil, and have been repeatedly wiped by zergs of AD and EP, I get where all the intense emotions and outright animosity come from. I mean, so far I'm still managing to keep it all in perspective-- it's just a game, and maybe next week I'll decide to play one of my AD or EP characters, etc.-- but the sense of frustration at getting repeatedly wiped is definitely there, and I can see how players who spend most, if not all, of their time in Cyrodiil, the Imperial City, or the Imperial Sewers can get so hostile toward players of the other alliances.I've fought mudcrabs more fearsome than me!2 -
Would be funny if a Dev could catch them in action and when they try to cheat -port have them all port to a room with no way out and just the Dev sitting in the room with an executioners outfit on and a giant mace. He could say hi fellas you have managed to cheat your way to my BAN HAMMER !
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✭✭✭Since ZOS hasn't even bothered to address this there's no point arguing back and forth.
This time next year it'll be a feature just like random-normal-port-to-pledge was, like infinite-mount-sprint was, like animation cancellation still is. We just need enough people to keep doing it intentionally or otherwise.
The game can't detect if you make an action legitimately or if you make an action with the intention to animation cancel.
The game can't detect if you died legitimately and rezzed with the scroll, or if you died with the intention to rez with the scroll somewhere.
The main difference between the two scenarios is that in the first, enough people do it and insist it's good for the game.
What both need are to be removed from the game.Edited by Dusk_Coven on February 14, 2020 5:18PM0 -
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✭I think I forgot to mention, the primary offender is in the top 10 of their respective leaderboard too. It makes a person wonder what all else they are up to.2 -
TheFM✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It’s a bug. If you die while picking it up you can rez and not know it. It’s confirmed it’s a bug because that person a) cannot see the scroll, b) cannot place the scroll down c) has to die or log off for anyone else to see the scroll.
It happens in battlegrounds too. People rez with the chaos ball in their spawn point.
It’s happened to me before.
It’s not like coordinating with AD to double team, public discord spying, and stream sniping Fengrush and others like EP brags about doing. Unintentional bugs aren’t the same as EP intentional underhanded tactics.
EP are all so evil. Its amazing how ALL the decietful trash players all just gather in one alliance while all the virtuous and superior individuals are in DC. How dare they snipe fengrush. Disgusting.
Some type of conspiracy.
DC ? Virtuous? Oh boy. That's hilarious.
Any side with elves lacks virtue
Orcs are elves smart guy. And Breton are half elf. So half of your alliance is elf based. GG.Edited by TheFM on February 14, 2020 1:41PM3 -
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✭✭If you want zos to do something you must trick an enemy to insult your race, sexual orientation, disabilities, religious beliefs or to send you death threats.1 -
max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don’t know how the exploit works, but there are ways of killing your self without an enemy player.
Overflowing alter: will stop you from killing yourself, but if you combine it with jumping off something you could easily die
Healthy Offering: Self dot oblivion damage
Mage Guild Ability: Costs health and could be combined with jumping off something
Sounds to me like people are intentionally reducing their health and then dying with fall damage. For it to happen outside a fight it would obviously be an exploit, everything else is noise and excuses.JamieAubrey wrote: »I wonder if he's abusing potions that kill you, as if you die to a potion while letting an NPC hit you ( so you can port to any keep ) you don't drop the scroll and can port to any keep, maybe this is what they do
Imagine being able to use consumables/skills on command in cp cyro.Lmao they purposely do it yet that's not exploiting? Then nothing is an exploit since it's all on zos right?
I saw EP do it once and they just let the timer run out so it reset
Also if you actually paid attention then you'd know console players have complained about it since like 6-8 months ago and yes it is repeatable 😂It’s a bug. If you die while picking it up you can rez and not know it. It’s confirmed it’s a bug because that person a) cannot see the scroll, b) cannot place the scroll down c) has to die or log off for anyone else to see the scroll.
It happens in battlegrounds too. People rez with the chaos ball in their spawn point.
It’s happened to me before.
It’s not like coordinating with AD to double team, public discord spying, and stream sniping Fengrush and others like EP brags about doing. Unintentional bugs aren’t the same as EP intentional underhanded tactics.
Using a bug on purpose to do that is exploiting no matter how you paint it.
You can’t time when someone kills you, how is it “on purpose”?
Forum warriors don’t have to believe, I know for a fact it’s an unintentional bug and there’s no way to guarantee it or else everyone would be doing it every single time. It’s a fluke from lag. The only thing that will fix it is Zos cleaning up lag. Believe what you like, I know the truth and accusing an entire guild or calling people names or impugning their character on the forums is toothless.
Easy. Get attacked by a guard, use poison for controlled suicide. Believing people don't exploit this kinda thing is ignoring what lengths ppl will go to to win.Fightin_Irish_Johnny wrote: »Would be funny if a Dev could catch them in action and when they try to cheat -port have them all port to a room with no way out and just the Dev sitting in the room with an executioners outfit on and a giant mace. He could say hi fellas you have managed to cheat your way to my BAN HAMMER !
That’s not how it works.
There are people in this thread who think potions and fall damage have something to do with it. All that would be in the log. The data would show that.
If one is uninformed one should refrain from the discussion. Not to be cruel: if you don’t know what is being discussed, your input only confuses the matter
.OtarTheMad wrote: »I would record it if you can, that will help any report. Even if you just have the map open and record the scroll teleporting across the map.
It would only help if ZOS actually cared. This has been happening for many, many months ...
I haven't seen any reports about this until three days ago, ajad11mumbler wrote: »There's a video in another thread post. Also Hi Dusk!
It does show on the map.
But generally people don't know they have the scroll until others tell them.
The guild and its players aren't doing it on purpose, but once it does happen and they have the scroll away from the gate, of course they're going to try run it home. Every other alliance would do the same.
I've certainly seen EP bug the DC scrolls out of the temple.
Zos does need to fix this bug though. But until they do everyone is going to use it to their advantage when it does happen.
No.
The guild and the individual ARE doing it deliberately and on purpose. It's the same guys, same guild, multiple days in a row. They laugh and brag about it in DC zone chat. They know what they are doing. They are doing it deliberately. They are doing it repeatedly. They are exploiting a bug. They are doing it on purpose.Yes, it is a bug where the scroll persists after the carrier is rezed. This is a "BUG" in the game.
The correct action to take is to try and record a clip of it and or type up a report (all factions can help with this) and forward it to the correct section under support.
It is not something anyone meant to happen either. Please stop making false claims on particular guilds or players. I've been friends with this guild for a few years and knowing them I know they do NOT tolerate cheating. No one can convince me otherwise. Their stance on cheating... the player would be removed from the guild immediately and likely reported.
It has happened before where EP did get the advantage over DC. It is possible that all factions have been affected by this bug. If it happens again, hopefully, someone will have a video clip of it to share with the proper support team. I am hopeful that ALL FACTIONS do not have to deal with this again because it does really stink for the faction(s) doing their best to save the scroll.
Except they ARE tolerating cheating; by the same guy, wearing their tabbord, day in and day out. That makes the entire guild accessories if not first hand participants. Sorry, that's how it works. If you don't police your own, you get accused of doing the same.
You admit to being able to see DC zone chat on a locked campaign and then ask for people to police their own.JamieAubrey wrote: »I wonder if he's abusing potions that kill you, as if you die to a potion while letting an NPC hit you ( so you can port to any keep ) you don't drop the scroll and can port to any keep, maybe this is what they do
Imagine being able to use consumables/skills on command in cp cyro.Lmao they purposely do it yet that's not exploiting? Then nothing is an exploit since it's all on zos right?
I saw EP do it once and they just let the timer run out so it reset
Also if you actually paid attention then you'd know console players have complained about it since like 6-8 months ago and yes it is repeatable 😂It’s a bug. If you die while picking it up you can rez and not know it. It’s confirmed it’s a bug because that person a) cannot see the scroll, b) cannot place the scroll down c) has to die or log off for anyone else to see the scroll.
It happens in battlegrounds too. People rez with the chaos ball in their spawn point.
It’s happened to me before.
It’s not like coordinating with AD to double team, public discord spying, and stream sniping Fengrush and others like EP brags about doing. Unintentional bugs aren’t the same as EP intentional underhanded tactics.
Using a bug on purpose to do that is exploiting no matter how you paint it.
You can’t time when someone kills you, how is it “on purpose”?
Forum warriors don’t have to believe, I know for a fact it’s an unintentional bug and there’s no way to guarantee it or else everyone would be doing it every single time. It’s a fluke from lag. The only thing that will fix it is Zos cleaning up lag. Believe what you like, I know the truth and accusing an entire guild or calling people names or impugning their character on the forums is toothless.
It's intentional. What is your motivation for covering for the exploiters?
What’s your motivation for cheating by watching zone chat of the enemy alliance?Edited by max_only on February 14, 2020 6:52PM#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭This bug has gone from happening very rarely, to happening 3 days in a row. But I'm sure no one is actually exploiting this bug.
Correlation does not equal causation.JamieAubrey wrote: »I wonder if he's abusing potions that kill you, as if you die to a potion while letting an NPC hit you ( so you can port to any keep ) you don't drop the scroll and can port to any keep, maybe this is what they do
Imagine being able to use consumables/skills on command in cp cyro.Lmao they purposely do it yet that's not exploiting? Then nothing is an exploit since it's all on zos right?
I saw EP do it once and they just let the timer run out so it reset
Also if you actually paid attention then you'd know console players have complained about it since like 6-8 months ago and yes it is repeatable 😂It’s a bug. If you die while picking it up you can rez and not know it. It’s confirmed it’s a bug because that person a) cannot see the scroll, b) cannot place the scroll down c) has to die or log off for anyone else to see the scroll.
It happens in battlegrounds too. People rez with the chaos ball in their spawn point.
It’s happened to me before.
It’s not like coordinating with AD to double team, public discord spying, and stream sniping Fengrush and others like EP brags about doing. Unintentional bugs aren’t the same as EP intentional underhanded tactics.
Using a bug on purpose to do that is exploiting no matter how you paint it.
You can’t time when someone kills you, how is it “on purpose”?
Forum warriors don’t have to believe, I know for a fact it’s an unintentional bug and there’s no way to guarantee it or else everyone would be doing it every single time. It’s a fluke from lag. The only thing that will fix it is Zos cleaning up lag. Believe what you like, I know the truth and accusing an entire guild or calling people names or impugning their character on the forums is toothless.
It's intentional. What is your motivation for covering for the exploiters?
I’m not covering anything. Zos is free to see all the data. I’m transparent.OtarTheMad wrote: »I would record it if you can, that will help any report. Even if you just have the map open and record the scroll teleporting across the map.
It would only help if ZOS actually cared. This has been happening for many, many months ...
I haven't seen any reports about this until three days ago, ajad11mumbler wrote: »There's a video in another thread post. Also Hi Dusk!
It does show on the map.
But generally people don't know they have the scroll until others tell them.
The guild and its players aren't doing it on purpose, but once it does happen and they have the scroll away from the gate, of course they're going to try run it home. Every other alliance would do the same.
I've certainly seen EP bug the DC scrolls out of the temple.
Zos does need to fix this bug though. But until they do everyone is going to use it to their advantage when it does happen.
No.
The guild and the individual ARE doing it deliberately and on purpose. It's the same guys, same guild, multiple days in a row. They laugh and brag about it in DC zone chat. They know what they are doing. They are doing it deliberately. They are doing it repeatedly. They are exploiting a bug. They are doing it on purpose.
How are you in DC zone chat? Did you just admit to spying across a locked faction?
No one had bragged about cheating in zone chat. People saying “sucks to be them” or lol is perhaps mean spirited but is not bragging.
Bragging would be if they admitted they got away with a cheat. No one has, because no one can purposefully cause this to happen.#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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max_only✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If X dies while picking up the scroll, 15-30 seconds later, as shown in the video, they will be carrying a bugged scroll. No light, no object on their back, no server message, no indication. X will not be able to mount, unable to transit shrine, unable to interact with a scroll deposit, unable to do anything useful.
If X was honorable X would log out (good luck getting back in, so a waste of time as a punishment for terrible servers) or die.
Then the scroll is back on the ground. Anyone, friend, foe, stranger, pug, guild mates, slaughter fish trolls, ANYONE can pick it up where it drops. So now you are depending on Y to be honorable.
If Y starts running back to the original temple. Enemy from faction 1 could get it. Enemy from faction 2 could get it. Let’s say faction 2 gets it. It drops again.
If Z now tried to pick it up, they are from the original faction, then Z is obligated to take it back? Run it home after all? You all can armchair philosophize till the guar come home.Edited by max_only on February 14, 2020 11:14PM#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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Heimpai✭✭✭✭✭Actually I've seen a certain EP raid leader do this..He stayed in a keep till it reset and not a single person got upset with him for not abusing the glitch.. so yes, some people do the right thing while others have no issues abusing glitches2
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✭If X dies while picking up the scroll, 15-30 seconds later, as shown in the video, they will be carrying a bugged scroll. No light, no object on their back, no server message, no indication. X will not be able to mount, unable to transit shrine, unable to interact with a scroll deposit, unable to do anything useful.
If X was honorable X would log out (good luck getting back in, so a waste of time as a punishment for terrible servers) or die.
Then the scroll is back on the ground. Anyone, friend, for, stranger, pug, guild mates, slaughter fish trolls, ANYONE can pick it up where it drops. So now you are depending on Y to be honorable.
If Y starts running back to the original temple. Enemy from faction 1 could get it. Enemy from faction 2 could get it. Let’s say faction 2 gets it. It drops again.
If Z now tried to pick it up, they are from the original faction, then Z is obligated to take it back? Run it home after all? You all can armchair philosophize till the guar come home.
Now we know you aren't just covering and distracting, you are in on the exploiting.8 -
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Ok.
We’ll see what happens. Whatever happens will confirm your bias (Zos = bad, Max = bad). I’m serene. Have a great day, your opinion is as valid and important as everyone else.If X dies while picking up the scroll, 15-30 seconds later, as shown in the video, they will be carrying a bugged scroll. No light, no object on their back, no server message, no indication. X will not be able to mount, unable to transit shrine, unable to interact with a scroll deposit, unable to do anything useful.
If X was honorable X would log out (good luck getting back in, so a waste of time as a punishment for terrible servers) or die.
Then the scroll is back on the ground. Anyone, friend, for, stranger, pug, guild mates, slaughter fish trolls, ANYONE can pick it up where it drops. So now you are depending on Y to be honorable.
If Y starts running back to the original temple. Enemy from faction 1 could get it. Enemy from faction 2 could get it. Let’s say faction 2 gets it. It drops again.
If Z now tried to pick it up, they are from the original faction, then Z is obligated to take it back? Run it home after all? You all can armchair philosophize till the guar come home.
Now we know you aren't just covering and distracting, you are in on the exploiting.
Zos knows what my account has done and not done. I’m not a scroll runner. I’ll only try to pick it up out of desperation. My conscience is clear. Have a great time in Cyrodiil, I’ll look for you in enemy alliance zone chat :>Edited by max_only on February 14, 2020 11:13PM#FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
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Ok.
We’ll see what happens. Whatever happens will confirm your bias (Zos = bad, Max = bad). I’m serene. Have a great day, your opinion is as valid and important as everyone else.If X dies while picking up the scroll, 15-30 seconds later, as shown in the video, they will be carrying a bugged scroll. No light, no object on their back, no server message, no indication. X will not be able to mount, unable to transit shrine, unable to interact with a scroll deposit, unable to do anything useful.
If X was honorable X would log out (good luck getting back in, so a waste of time as a punishment for terrible servers) or die.
Then the scroll is back on the ground. Anyone, friend, for, stranger, pug, guild mates, slaughter fish trolls, ANYONE can pick it up where it drops. So now you are depending on Y to be honorable.
If Y starts running back to the original temple. Enemy from faction 1 could get it. Enemy from faction 2 could get it. Let’s say faction 2 gets it. It drops again.
If Z now tried to pick it up, they are from the original faction, then Z is obligated to take it back? Run it home after all? You all can armchair philosophize till the guar come home.
Now we know you aren't just covering and distracting, you are in on the exploiting.
Zos knows what my account has done and not done. I’m not a scroll runner. I’ll only try to pick it up out of desperation. My conscience is clear. Have a great time in Cyrodiil, I’ll look for you in enemy alliance zone chat :>
You are as aware as everyone that ZOS very rarely takes any action for anything. That is different that you having a clear conscience. You've made it abundantly clear you do not have a clear conscience.
And we know ZOS has not taken any action regarding this cheating because the primary offender is back on the top 10 leaderboards of their faction. It really does make the rest of us wonder what all else you guys are up to in terms of exploiting, and at this point, that is a legitimate question to ask. Three days in a row, same guy, same guild did it. It was intentional, and they DID brag about it.Edited by Cavedog on February 15, 2020 9:24PM3 -
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Ok.
We’ll see what happens. Whatever happens will confirm your bias (Zos = bad, Max = bad). I’m serene. Have a great day, your opinion is as valid and important as everyone else.If X dies while picking up the scroll, 15-30 seconds later, as shown in the video, they will be carrying a bugged scroll. No light, no object on their back, no server message, no indication. X will not be able to mount, unable to transit shrine, unable to interact with a scroll deposit, unable to do anything useful.
If X was honorable X would log out (good luck getting back in, so a waste of time as a punishment for terrible servers) or die.
Then the scroll is back on the ground. Anyone, friend, for, stranger, pug, guild mates, slaughter fish trolls, ANYONE can pick it up where it drops. So now you are depending on Y to be honorable.
If Y starts running back to the original temple. Enemy from faction 1 could get it. Enemy from faction 2 could get it. Let’s say faction 2 gets it. It drops again.
If Z now tried to pick it up, they are from the original faction, then Z is obligated to take it back? Run it home after all? You all can armchair philosophize till the guar come home.
Now we know you aren't just covering and distracting, you are in on the exploiting.
Zos knows what my account has done and not done. I’m not a scroll runner. I’ll only try to pick it up out of desperation. My conscience is clear. Have a great time in Cyrodiil, I’ll look for you in enemy alliance zone chat :>
You are as aware as everyone that ZOS very rarely takes any action for anything. That is different that you having a clear conscience. You've made it abundantly clear you do not have a clear conscience.
And we know ZOS has not taken any action regarding this cheating because the primary offender is back on the top 10 leaderboards of their faction. It really does make the rest of us wonder what all else you guys are up to in terms of exploiting, and at this point, that is a legitimate question to ask. Three days in a row, same guy, same guild did it. It was intentional, and they DID brag about it.
This forum is not a witchhunt. You're not solving anything by attributing motive or making allegations about people you're not even sure were involved. I've seen ZOS take action regarding PvP exploits plenty of times. People were banned and the bug was fixed. It may not be on YOUR timeline, but it'll happen eventually.Tombstone Reads: "Forgot to get good"4 -
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Ok.
We’ll see what happens. Whatever happens will confirm your bias (Zos = bad, Max = bad). I’m serene. Have a great day, your opinion is as valid and important as everyone else.If X dies while picking up the scroll, 15-30 seconds later, as shown in the video, they will be carrying a bugged scroll. No light, no object on their back, no server message, no indication. X will not be able to mount, unable to transit shrine, unable to interact with a scroll deposit, unable to do anything useful.
If X was honorable X would log out (good luck getting back in, so a waste of time as a punishment for terrible servers) or die.
Then the scroll is back on the ground. Anyone, friend, for, stranger, pug, guild mates, slaughter fish trolls, ANYONE can pick it up where it drops. So now you are depending on Y to be honorable.
If Y starts running back to the original temple. Enemy from faction 1 could get it. Enemy from faction 2 could get it. Let’s say faction 2 gets it. It drops again.
If Z now tried to pick it up, they are from the original faction, then Z is obligated to take it back? Run it home after all? You all can armchair philosophize till the guar come home.
Now we know you aren't just covering and distracting, you are in on the exploiting.
Zos knows what my account has done and not done. I’m not a scroll runner. I’ll only try to pick it up out of desperation. My conscience is clear. Have a great time in Cyrodiil, I’ll look for you in enemy alliance zone chat :>
You are as aware as everyone that ZOS very rarely takes any action for anything. That is different that you having a clear conscience. You've made it abundantly clear you do not have a clear conscience.
And we know ZOS has not taken any action regarding this cheating because the primary offender is back on the top 10 leaderboards of their faction. It really does make the rest of us wonder what all else you guys are up to in terms of exploiting, and at this point, that is a legitimate question to ask. Three days in a row, same guy, same guild did it. It was intentional, and they DID brag about it.
This forum is not a witchhunt. You're not solving anything by attributing motive or making allegations about people you're not even sure were involved. I've seen ZOS take action regarding PvP exploits plenty of times. People were banned and the bug was fixed. It may not be on YOUR timeline, but it'll happen eventually.
This isn't a witch hunt. We know exactly who all is involved. I would have posted the @ names with the OP if it were allowed. Nobody is guessing who is and is not involved in the deliberate exploiting. The only thing left unresolved is whether or not ZOS takes any action.2 -
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