Shocking, repeated cheating by a guild PC NA Kaal

TheFM

Cavedog wrote: »

Three days in a row now the same guild, and the same cheater have take Chim scroll then ported from Chim temple to a blue keep far from Chim temple with the scroll. Of course we are all reporting this cheater and their guild, and of course ZOS has done nothing. What are we supposed to do then?

Tickets I've reported are:
200211-003423
200211-003423
200212-010589

[snip] This is really shocking cheating. It's repeated, they brag about it, and ZOS does nothing. They haven't even taken action against the primary offender, let alone given the guild a warning of any kind.

[Edit for bait.]

Video cap it. And send it to the website. Theyll get banned very quickly. Happened to ppl doing grav hax in bahl before.

TheFM

max_only wrote: »

It’s a bug. If you die while picking it up you can rez and not know it. It’s confirmed it’s a bug because that person a) cannot see the scroll, b) cannot place the scroll down c) has to die or log off for anyone else to see the scroll.

It happens in battlegrounds too. People rez with the chaos ball in their spawn point.

It’s happened to me before.

It’s not like coordinating with AD to double team, public discord spying, and stream sniping Fengrush and others like EP brags about doing. Unintentional bugs aren’t the same as EP intentional underhanded tactics.

Using a bug on purpose to do that is exploiting no matter how you paint it.

DUTCH_REAPER

We do have video of the bug.

ZOS needs to fix it so people can calm down.
fast forward to like minute 1:30

https://youtu.be/8vFsUAsqtQU

jad11mumbler

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

After removing a few posts due to baiting, we must remind everyone that all posts should be kept civil, constructive, and within the guidelines of the rules we have in place. If there may be any questions in regards to the rules, please feel free to review them here.

As for those members may feel are cheating, we ask that they use the in-game report feature. Once a report has been submit, they will be reviewed on a case by case basis.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

The only action we'll see ZoS take: "Don't offend the cheaters. Just deal with it."

max_only wrote: »

Cavedog wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I remember an old bug like this where there was some odd gap in some rocks near one of the AD gates and you could just take the scroll and run to the rocks and if you hit the right spot you'd be transported to your base automatically. Maybe it's back?

Supposedly they are bragging about it; claiming it's a bug.....but they keep doing it knowingly on purpose. So at the very least, they are exploiting and bragging about it.

There’s no bragging happening. That is a patent falsehood.

How on earth do you know that? Are you part of the group of the accused?

.

They are. As am I.
Although while part of the guild I wasn't there in the groups at the time.

Heimpai

Lmao they purposely do it yet that's not exploiting? Then nothing is an exploit since it's all on zos right?

I saw EP do it once and they just let the timer run out so it reset

Also if you actually paid attention then you'd know console players have complained about it since like 6-8 months ago and yes it is repeatable 😂

max_only

JamieAubrey wrote: »

I wonder if he's abusing potions that kill you, as if you die to a potion while letting an NPC hit you ( so you can port to any keep ) you don't drop the scroll and can port to any keep, maybe this is what they do

Imagine being able to use consumables/skills on command in cp cyro.

Heimpai wrote: »

Lmao they purposely do it yet that's not exploiting? Then nothing is an exploit since it's all on zos right?

I saw EP do it once and they just let the timer run out so it reset

Also if you actually paid attention then you'd know console players have complained about it since like 6-8 months ago and yes it is repeatable 😂

TheFM wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

It’s a bug. If you die while picking it up you can rez and not know it. It’s confirmed it’s a bug because that person a) cannot see the scroll, b) cannot place the scroll down c) has to die or log off for anyone else to see the scroll.

It happens in battlegrounds too. People rez with the chaos ball in their spawn point.

It’s happened to me before.

It’s not like coordinating with AD to double team, public discord spying, and stream sniping Fengrush and others like EP brags about doing. Unintentional bugs aren’t the same as EP intentional underhanded tactics.

Using a bug on purpose to do that is exploiting no matter how you paint it.

You can’t time when someone kills you, how is it “on purpose”?

Forum warriors don’t have to believe, I know for a fact it’s an unintentional bug and there’s no way to guarantee it or else everyone would be doing it every single time. It’s a fluke from lag. The only thing that will fix it is Zos cleaning up lag. Believe what you like, I know the truth and accusing an entire guild or calling people names or impugning their character on the forums is toothless.

max_only

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

We do have video of the bug.

ZOS needs to fix it so people can calm down.
fast forward to like minute 1:30

https://youtu.be/8vFsUAsqtQU

I don’t see anything happening at 1:30. Then again that person is running so many addons I couldn’t see anything useful at all. For all I know someone will now accuse the one taking the video for running cheat addons like Miats.
I see someone trying to take the scroll at 1:56 and die.
A notification pops up at 2:15.
The gate closes at 2:30.
At 3:18 someone in your zone chat admits to it happening in your favor before multiple times.

Thanks for posting evidence that Zos has major lag issues and that it’s a known bug on all sides.

Alendrin

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

As for those members may feel are cheating, we ask that they use the in-game report feature. Once a report has been submit, they will be reviewed on a case by case basis.

-Greg-

I think the whole reason for this thread is that players do use the reporting function, and nothing ever happens, nor does that player have any confirmation or confidence that the report is even read.

max_only

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

After removing a few posts due to baiting, we must remind everyone that all posts should be kept civil, constructive, and within the guidelines of the rules we have in place. If there may be any questions in regards to the rules, please feel free to review them here.

As for those members may feel are cheating, we ask that they use the in-game report feature. Once a report has been submit, they will be reviewed on a case by case basis.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

The only action we'll see ZoS take: "Don't offend the cheaters. Just deal with it."

max_only wrote: »

Cavedog wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I remember an old bug like this where there was some odd gap in some rocks near one of the AD gates and you could just take the scroll and run to the rocks and if you hit the right spot you'd be transported to your base automatically. Maybe it's back?

Supposedly they are bragging about it; claiming it's a bug.....but they keep doing it knowingly on purpose. So at the very least, they are exploiting and bragging about it.

There’s no bragging happening. That is a patent falsehood.

How on earth do you know that? Are you part of the group of the accused?



All seriousness though, ZoS should take a strong stance against cheaters and exploiters and let it be known. Fallout 76 was crashing but started burning because of Zenimax is incapable of defending their game, which led to very real crimes being committed. For all we know ZoS condones cheaters because they'll make the biggest stink if action is taken against them (entitlement issues, as seen in this thread of saying "bug exist, therefore I'm entitled to exploit it" by some of the users). Better to cater to those who abuse than those who do things legitimately.

You just automatically believe Op because what? He’s a canonical saint? Nobody in this thread knows anybody. If you weren’t there you don’t know.
Rezzing and not knowing you have a bugged scroll, tell me what that player should do? Sit in a corner and flagellate themselves? If it’s your opinion that they should run it back once they realize, than that’s your opinion, it’s neither good nor bad, right nor wrong.
There is a fact here. The fact is it is a known bug from lag that has happened to every faction multiple times.

I know its not a pre-meditated cheat. Believe me or not the data will prove it.

DUTCH_REAPER

max_only wrote: »

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

We do have video of the bug.

ZOS needs to fix it so people can calm down.
fast forward to like minute 1:30

https://youtu.be/8vFsUAsqtQU

I don’t see anything happening at 1:30. Then again that person is running so many addons I couldn’t see anything useful at all. For all I know someone will now accuse the one taking the video for running cheat addons like Miats.
I see someone trying to take the scroll at 1:56 and die.
A notification pops up at 2:15.
The gate closes at 2:30.
At 3:18 someone in your zone chat admits to it happening in your favor before multiple times.

Thanks for posting evidence that Zos has major lag issues and that it’s a known bug on all sides.

Hmm. I actually thought I don’t run too many addons and I don’t have miats. Anyways. The video shows that the scroll was on the pedestal or very close to it and then was in Arrius.

People need to calm down. Breathe all. I remember a long time ago back in the day leaping into a keep when it was supposedly fixed to not do that and I got reported for cheating even though I immediately jumped back off the wall to go to my raid. The lag is so bad at times. Everyone just be calm. *** happens. Zos is looking into it to prevent it hopefully.

SeaGtGruff

Heimpai wrote: »

Lmao they purposely do it yet that's not exploiting?

How did they purposely do it? Did you see that video, with all those EP players killing all those DC players? So a DC player takes the scroll, one or more EP players kill the DC player, and the DC player apparently rezzes at Fort Arrius with the scroll. May I point out that Fort Arrius is about as far from DC home base as they could get and still be at a DC-controlled keep? I mean, if they were purposely taking advantage of some known bug, then why didn't they rez at one of the two DC gates instead, or better yet at one of the DC forts that are closest to home and don't have a scroll yet? Rezzing at Fort Arrius means they would then need to run the scroll all across northern Cyrodiil to get to a much better DC fort. If that was all on purpose, then how dumb was that?

Dusk_Coven

Alendrin wrote: »

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

As for those members may feel are cheating, we ask that they use the in-game report feature. Once a report has been submit, they will be reviewed on a case by case basis.

-Greg-

I think the whole reason for this thread is that players do use the reporting function, and nothing ever happens, nor does that player have any confirmation or confidence that the report is even read.

Exactly.
And whether it's a bug or a cheat or whatever, letting a thread like this go on and on just creating acrimony in the community is not how an issue is handled. If it's a bug and it looks like a cheat, it's even more important for ZOS to say something to clear it up. And if accounts are true they apparently have had 6 months or so to work on it. Long enough?

Heimpai wrote: »

Also if you actually paid attention then you'd know console players have complained about it since like 6-8 months ago and yes it is repeatable 😂

Is the real answer maybe that ZOS can't fix it so they best they can do is keep quiet about random-normal-port-to-pledge infinite-mount-speed this issue, "neither confirm nor deny" so as to save themselves embarrassment, until one day years from now they just quietly fix it?

ZOS keeps rushing ahead creating new content but all the issues they don't fix, across all aspects of the game and running the game, steadily add up. Ignoring them doesn't them go away.

Stridig

Shocking...... I wouldnt be so quick to just call folks cheaters. I got stuck in a wall one time ( lol @ 1 time) but didn't appear to be stuck in a wall to those attacking me. I didn't take any damage at all while stuck. Apparently I was a CE using hack after that. I know it's hard to believe with such a fine tuned game like this, but it happens.

x48rph

max_only wrote: »

stream sniping Fengrush and others

If your going to stream the game then you take the bad with the good. Streaming also gives your side a big advantage as it allows everyone to know where your at, what your doing, what enemies are near, lets you communicate with all of them at once, ect, ect which is why DC flocks to his location most of the time wether he wished it or not.

So if others use it to their advantage as well to track you guys down , whelp, that's the price you pay for the advantages it gives you. Seems fair to me. (Not to mention they still count as viewers for him )

WhitePawPrints

max_only wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

After removing a few posts due to baiting, we must remind everyone that all posts should be kept civil, constructive, and within the guidelines of the rules we have in place. If there may be any questions in regards to the rules, please feel free to review them here.

As for those members may feel are cheating, we ask that they use the in-game report feature. Once a report has been submit, they will be reviewed on a case by case basis.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

The only action we'll see ZoS take: "Don't offend the cheaters. Just deal with it."

max_only wrote: »

Cavedog wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I remember an old bug like this where there was some odd gap in some rocks near one of the AD gates and you could just take the scroll and run to the rocks and if you hit the right spot you'd be transported to your base automatically. Maybe it's back?

Supposedly they are bragging about it; claiming it's a bug.....but they keep doing it knowingly on purpose. So at the very least, they are exploiting and bragging about it.

There’s no bragging happening. That is a patent falsehood.

How on earth do you know that? Are you part of the group of the accused?



All seriousness though, ZoS should take a strong stance against cheaters and exploiters and let it be known. Fallout 76 was crashing but started burning because of Zenimax is incapable of defending their game, which led to very real crimes being committed. For all we know ZoS condones cheaters because they'll make the biggest stink if action is taken against them (entitlement issues, as seen in this thread of saying "bug exist, therefore I'm entitled to exploit it" by some of the users). Better to cater to those who abuse than those who do things legitimately.

You just automatically believe Op because what? He’s a canonical saint? Nobody in this thread knows anybody. If you weren’t there you don’t know.
Rezzing and not knowing you have a bugged scroll, tell me what that player should do? Sit in a corner and flagellate themselves? If it’s your opinion that they should run it back once they realize, than that’s your opinion, it’s neither good nor bad, right nor wrong.
There is a fact here. The fact is it is a known bug from lag that has happened to every faction multiple times.

I know its not a pre-meditated cheat. Believe me or not the data will prove it.

It’s irrelevant if I believe the OP as the OP mentions suspected cheating occurring. No details about offending parties except two who freely admitted to be associated with cheaters on this thread. So the OPs testimony is not condemning anyone but is a generic mention of cheating and that is what I’m responding to.

In addition I’ve dealt with cheaters, saboteurs, liars and entitled people for years. They downplay their offenses, pass blame/responsibility, selective listening, and lie. It’s behavior that I am witnessing on this thread.

Bugs happen. An attempt to repeat a bug for personal gain is an exploit. This is the accusation that the attempts to repeat the bug to success. And if the requirement is dying in one of the most contended areas of the game, that is very plausible and easy to repeat.

Besides all that, my post more specifically addresses how cheaters in general should be addressed imo. You’re offense to my post is taking offense to my dislike of cheaters. That’s very telling.

Hip_Uncle_Z

I never PvP because of the level of cheaters. I'm sure I'd have fun, but I've seen too many clips of people cheating to invest time into it.

max_only

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

After removing a few posts due to baiting, we must remind everyone that all posts should be kept civil, constructive, and within the guidelines of the rules we have in place. If there may be any questions in regards to the rules, please feel free to review them here.

As for those members may feel are cheating, we ask that they use the in-game report feature. Once a report has been submit, they will be reviewed on a case by case basis.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

The only action we'll see ZoS take: "Don't offend the cheaters. Just deal with it."

max_only wrote: »

Cavedog wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I remember an old bug like this where there was some odd gap in some rocks near one of the AD gates and you could just take the scroll and run to the rocks and if you hit the right spot you'd be transported to your base automatically. Maybe it's back?

Supposedly they are bragging about it; claiming it's a bug.....but they keep doing it knowingly on purpose. So at the very least, they are exploiting and bragging about it.

There’s no bragging happening. That is a patent falsehood.

How on earth do you know that? Are you part of the group of the accused?



All seriousness though, ZoS should take a strong stance against cheaters and exploiters and let it be known. Fallout 76 was crashing but started burning because of Zenimax is incapable of defending their game, which led to very real crimes being committed. For all we know ZoS condones cheaters because they'll make the biggest stink if action is taken against them (entitlement issues, as seen in this thread of saying "bug exist, therefore I'm entitled to exploit it" by some of the users). Better to cater to those who abuse than those who do things legitimately.

You just automatically believe Op because what? He’s a canonical saint? Nobody in this thread knows anybody. If you weren’t there you don’t know.
Rezzing and not knowing you have a bugged scroll, tell me what that player should do? Sit in a corner and flagellate themselves? If it’s your opinion that they should run it back once they realize, than that’s your opinion, it’s neither good nor bad, right nor wrong.
There is a fact here. The fact is it is a known bug from lag that has happened to every faction multiple times.

I know its not a pre-meditated cheat. Believe me or not the data will prove it.

It’s irrelevant if I believe the OP as the OP mentions suspected cheating occurring. No details about offending parties except two who freely admitted to be associated with cheaters on this thread. So the OPs testimony is not condemning anyone but is a generic mention of cheating and that is what I’m responding to.

In addition I’ve dealt with cheaters, saboteurs, liars and entitled people for years. They downplay their offenses, pass blame/responsibility, selective listening, and lie. It’s behavior that I am witnessing on this thread.

Besides all that, my post more specifically addresses how cheaters in general should be addressed imo. You’re offense to my post is taking offense to my dislike of cheaters. That’s very telling.

Who has freely admitted to being associated with cheaters? That’s sounds like bait.
OP’s “testimony” is condemning someone specifically and everyone they play with of premeditated gamesmanship.

Don’t quit your psychology class early: When someone includes me in a deceit, to defend myself is only natural.
Using the Passive voice doesn’t excuse you from slander. You have no experience in the subject matter, you may rule from your judges bench at your residence as you like. The data will show the hard facts.
Also your thinly veiled critique of Zos not caring about (or catering to) cheaters is very telling too. It tells me you are already decided. Zos does take cheating seriously. There was a report of an EP locked player in a DC discord and Gina was figuring it out immediately. Turned out to be a misunderstanding but they still took action.

jad11mumbler

max_only wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

Who has freely admitted to being associated with cheaters? That’s sounds like bait.
OP’s “testimony” is condemning someone specifically and everyone they play with of premeditated gamesmanship.

Don’t quit your psychology class early: When someone includes me in a deceit, to defend myself is only natural.
Using the Passive voice doesn’t excuse you from slander. You have no experience in the subject matter, you may rule from your judges bench at your residence as you like. The data will show the hard facts.
Also your thinly veiled critique of Zos not caring about (or catering to) cheaters is very telling too. It tells me you are already decided. Zos does take cheating seriously. There was a report of an EP locked player in a DC discord and Gina was figuring it out immediately. Turned out to be a misunderstanding but they still took action.

I did
At least I said I'm part of the guild that's being called out for something they aren't actively doing on purpose.

max_only

Stridig wrote: »

Shocking...... I wouldnt be so quick to just call folks cheaters. I got stuck in a wall one time ( lol @ 1 time) but didn't appear to be stuck in a wall to those attacking me. I didn't take any damage at all while stuck. Apparently I was a CE using hack after that. I know it's hard to believe with such a fine tuned game like this, but it happens.

Nah, armchair prosecutors and strangers on the internet know for a fact you are downplaying responsibility, passing blame, and outright lying. Now that you’ve admitted to being bugged and didn’t immediately do whatever it is they think you should have done in that situation. You should of maybe unplugged your rig as soon as you realized.

— —
I see I’ve been baited. Why do I let myself get pulled in by people like this. You are ready to hop into the lap of any conspiracy theory that confirms how you already feel.

— —
The accused is in the same guild as I am. I don’t know them personally. For all I know they could be the next Neo and have direct control of the matrix.

I know these facts:
It happens because of lag.
It happens to every faction.
It happens unintentionally.

We are as surprised as you are. Everyone has an opinion on how to proceed once you figure out you’re bugged. Every opinion is valid to themselves only.

That’s it. Beyond that is conjecture and prejudicial thinking.

Zos can see the data, Zos can request the logs. Data is impartial. I have faith the data will prove that nothing untoward happened. Report as you like, it’s your prerogative. Posting it on the forum is opening it up for refutation and discussion which is what you got.

f047ys3v3n

I've seen it done before, red doing it to yellow in PCNA. I don't believe for a minute that it's unintentional.

WhitePawPrints

max_only wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

WhitePawPrints wrote: »

ZOS_GregoryV wrote: »

Greetings all,

After removing a few posts due to baiting, we must remind everyone that all posts should be kept civil, constructive, and within the guidelines of the rules we have in place. If there may be any questions in regards to the rules, please feel free to review them here.

As for those members may feel are cheating, we ask that they use the in-game report feature. Once a report has been submit, they will be reviewed on a case by case basis.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

The only action we'll see ZoS take: "Don't offend the cheaters. Just deal with it."

max_only wrote: »

Cavedog wrote: »

OtarTheMad wrote: »

I remember an old bug like this where there was some odd gap in some rocks near one of the AD gates and you could just take the scroll and run to the rocks and if you hit the right spot you'd be transported to your base automatically. Maybe it's back?

Supposedly they are bragging about it; claiming it's a bug.....but they keep doing it knowingly on purpose. So at the very least, they are exploiting and bragging about it.

There’s no bragging happening. That is a patent falsehood.

How on earth do you know that? Are you part of the group of the accused?



All seriousness though, ZoS should take a strong stance against cheaters and exploiters and let it be known. Fallout 76 was crashing but started burning because of Zenimax is incapable of defending their game, which led to very real crimes being committed. For all we know ZoS condones cheaters because they'll make the biggest stink if action is taken against them (entitlement issues, as seen in this thread of saying "bug exist, therefore I'm entitled to exploit it" by some of the users). Better to cater to those who abuse than those who do things legitimately.

You just automatically believe Op because what? He’s a canonical saint? Nobody in this thread knows anybody. If you weren’t there you don’t know.
Rezzing and not knowing you have a bugged scroll, tell me what that player should do? Sit in a corner and flagellate themselves? If it’s your opinion that they should run it back once they realize, than that’s your opinion, it’s neither good nor bad, right nor wrong.
There is a fact here. The fact is it is a known bug from lag that has happened to every faction multiple times.

I know its not a pre-meditated cheat. Believe me or not the data will prove it.

It’s irrelevant if I believe the OP as the OP mentions suspected cheating occurring. No details about offending parties except two who freely admitted to be associated with cheaters on this thread. So the OPs testimony is not condemning anyone but is a generic mention of cheating and that is what I’m responding to.

In addition I’ve dealt with cheaters, saboteurs, liars and entitled people for years. They downplay their offenses, pass blame/responsibility, selective listening, and lie. It’s behavior that I am witnessing on this thread.

Besides all that, my post more specifically addresses how cheaters in general should be addressed imo. You’re offense to my post is taking offense to my dislike of cheaters. That’s very telling.

Who has freely admitted to being associated with cheaters? That’s sounds like bait.
OP’s “testimony” is condemning someone specifically and everyone they play with of premeditated gamesmanship.

Don’t quit your psychology class early: When someone includes me in a deceit, to defend myself is only natural.
Using the Passive voice doesn’t excuse you from slander. You have no experience in the subject matter, you may rule from your judges bench at your residence as you like. The data will show the hard facts.
Also your thinly veiled critique of Zos not caring about (or catering to) cheaters is very telling too. It tells me you are already decided. Zos does take cheating seriously. There was a report of an EP locked player in a DC discord and Gina was figuring it out immediately. Turned out to be a misunderstanding but they still took action.

Lol a zos white knight alert!

The OP has had any identifying material removed from the post. No guild name is mentioned and no specific player is mentioned. So you jumped in to associate yourself with those he accuses of cheating. I don’t see anything that accuses the guild of cheating, just unnamed players from an unnamed guild. You were not included, you volunteered to defend cheaters (without any evidence of your claims while dismissing evidence shown, sounds real typical of cheaters, along with trying to twist my words. Lol. You’re all so similar.).


Gina is a community manager and has no authority over disciplinary actions of people abusing game mechanics. She deals with PR, not administrating discipline for violations.

Fact is I do not condone cheating in any form in this game. If cheating is suspected, then I’d expect it to be reported, investigated and proper punishment to be issued if found legitimate. Our little discussion here will have no baring on the results. I however can not condone players trying to downplay and making excuses for cheating, whether it occurred or not.

Zenimax and all associates studios have recently suffered a big hit to their reputation for good reasons. That’s where my opinion is formed from. Not because it benefits my narrative. And as someone who forms opinions based on facts, not just whatever supports my behavior, I look for evidence of Zenimax taking a stern stance against cheaters and hackers, like those that destroyed Fallout 76.

PS. Nice attempt to slide in accusations of “slander” and bias when that is exactly what you’re doing by saying those very words. It’s amusing how people can accuse others of the very things they are doing. Sad that it works sometimes.

mague

max_only wrote: »

I know these facts:
It happens because of lag.
It happens to every faction.
It happens unintentionally.

LOL, in a game that is full of x% chance to proc/drop/happen ? Did i loot that lightning staff unintentionally ?

The problem is just Zenimax cant patch peoples minds. It is just a GAME. If some operate "outside" the game they lost already.

JamuThatsWho

max_only wrote: »

It’s a bug. If you die while picking it up you can rez and not know it. It’s confirmed it’s a bug because that person a) cannot see the scroll, b) cannot place the scroll down c) has to die or log off for anyone else to see the scroll.

It happens in battlegrounds too. People rez with the chaos ball in their spawn point.

It’s happened to me before.

It’s not like coordinating with AD to double team, public discord spying, and stream sniping Fengrush and others like EP brags about doing. Unintentional bugs aren’t the same as EP intentional underhanded tactics.

This happened to me in my very first Chaosball match. I didn't even realise until someone on my team pointed it out.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO

This type of thing happens alot, zos should take the game server side completely to stop it, its like an ad guild (not naming names) seems completely immune to cc's etc and seems to do what they want on eu sever balakdan

courier

jad11mumbler wrote: »

There's a video in another thread post. Also Hi Dusk!
It does show on the map.
But generally people don't know they have the scroll until others tell them.

The guild and its players aren't doing it on purpose, but once it does happen and they have the scroll away from the gate, of course they're going to try run it home. Every other alliance would do the same.
I've certainly seen EP bug the DC scrolls out of the temple.

Zos does need to fix this bug though. But until they do everyone is going to use it to their advantage when it does happen.

People don't know they have the scroll until others tell them? Are you serious? Anyone who has run or even picked up a scroll, knows that's a very silly thing to say.

Qbiken

courier wrote: »

jad11mumbler wrote: »

There's a video in another thread post. Also Hi Dusk!
It does show on the map.
But generally people don't know they have the scroll until others tell them.

The guild and its players aren't doing it on purpose, but once it does happen and they have the scroll away from the gate, of course they're going to try run it home. Every other alliance would do the same.
I've certainly seen EP bug the DC scrolls out of the temple.

Zos does need to fix this bug though. But until they do everyone is going to use it to their advantage when it does happen.

People don't know they have the scroll until others tell them? Are you serious? Anyone who has run or even picked up a scroll, knows that's a very silly thing to say.

If you get the scroll (or chaos ball, or the relic) through the bug where it gets attached to you if you die while picking it up, there won't be any notifications or animations that shows you that you're carrying the item (your character looks like it usually do), and other players can't see the item until it's been dropped. Only way to determine it is by open up the map and watch where the icon is.

I've experienced the bug in battlegrounds several times (but with chaosball and relics instead of scrolls) and it's an almost impossible task to reproduce it reliable imo. Should it be fixed? Ofc, but I doubt there is an intended bug abuse going on.

johnjetau

Well, there is one way to solve this, until ZOS finds a solution to this issue.

Lock the gates and prevent any scrolls - AD, EP or DC - being taken.

Haquor

max_only wrote: »

It’s a bug. If you die while picking it up you can rez and not know it. It’s confirmed it’s a bug because that person a) cannot see the scroll, b) cannot place the scroll down c) has to die or log off for anyone else to see the scroll.

It happens in battlegrounds too. People rez with the chaos ball in their spawn point.

It’s happened to me before.

It’s not like coordinating with AD to double team, public discord spying, and stream sniping Fengrush and others like EP brags about doing. Unintentional bugs aren’t the same as EP intentional underhanded tactics.

EP are all so evil. Its amazing how ALL the decietful trash players all just gather in one alliance while all the virtuous and superior individuals are in DC. How dare they snipe fengrush. Disgusting.

Some type of conspiracy.

TheFM

max_only wrote: »

JamieAubrey wrote: »

I wonder if he's abusing potions that kill you, as if you die to a potion while letting an NPC hit you ( so you can port to any keep ) you don't drop the scroll and can port to any keep, maybe this is what they do

Imagine being able to use consumables/skills on command in cp cyro.

Heimpai wrote: »

Lmao they purposely do it yet that's not exploiting? Then nothing is an exploit since it's all on zos right?

I saw EP do it once and they just let the timer run out so it reset

Also if you actually paid attention then you'd know console players have complained about it since like 6-8 months ago and yes it is repeatable 😂

TheFM wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

It’s a bug. If you die while picking it up you can rez and not know it. It’s confirmed it’s a bug because that person a) cannot see the scroll, b) cannot place the scroll down c) has to die or log off for anyone else to see the scroll.

It happens in battlegrounds too. People rez with the chaos ball in their spawn point.

It’s happened to me before.

It’s not like coordinating with AD to double team, public discord spying, and stream sniping Fengrush and others like EP brags about doing. Unintentional bugs aren’t the same as EP intentional underhanded tactics.

Using a bug on purpose to do that is exploiting no matter how you paint it.

You can’t time when someone kills you, how is it “on purpose”?

Forum warriors don’t have to believe, I know for a fact it’s an unintentional bug and there’s no way to guarantee it or else everyone would be doing it every single time. It’s a fluke from lag. The only thing that will fix it is Zos cleaning up lag. Believe what you like, I know the truth and accusing an entire guild or calling people names or impugning their character on the forums is toothless.

Easy. Get attacked by a guard, use poison for controlled suicide. Believing people don't exploit this kinda thing is ignoring what lengths ppl will go to to win.

TheFM

Haquor wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

It’s a bug. If you die while picking it up you can rez and not know it. It’s confirmed it’s a bug because that person a) cannot see the scroll, b) cannot place the scroll down c) has to die or log off for anyone else to see the scroll.

It happens in battlegrounds too. People rez with the chaos ball in their spawn point.

It’s happened to me before.

It’s not like coordinating with AD to double team, public discord spying, and stream sniping Fengrush and others like EP brags about doing. Unintentional bugs aren’t the same as EP intentional underhanded tactics.

EP are all so evil. Its amazing how ALL the decietful trash players all just gather in one alliance while all the virtuous and superior individuals are in DC. How dare they snipe fengrush. Disgusting.

Some type of conspiracy.

DC ? Virtuous? Oh boy. That's hilarious.