ESO Needs Better Motif.

phermitgb

madeeh91rwb17_ESO wrote: »

DLC after DLC, including motif after motif.(that's not my complain btw)...
And yet feels like its been an eternity, since I last saw a proper awesome looking motif.(plenty of meh ones tough)

I am TIRED of skirt-looking leg motifs, and "final fantasy/grim reaper" looking impractical GreatSwords.
It's been years, and most of my chars are still rocking the darkbrotherhood legs and ebony GreatSword motifs.

ZOS need to come up with some proper new designs that fit in the universe and don't look outright ridiculous.

Instead we have [snip] legion zero type stuff.
Even friggin Skyrim had better looking options
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this is the fundamental problem with assigning your personal preference as an imperative to the entire community. I *like* the skirt/armor design style - I've been looking for it for a long time, and I finally have at least a couple of options in that direction. I've also been waiting for years for a few "scale-mail" style armors, of which there are a couple now, but for some bizarre reason, never carry over equally between the upper-half and the lower-half. And so on...

Now, if you don't enjoy a particular armor style (I hate armor with fur on it), that's fine. But don't start demanding on behalf of the entire community to get rid of a particular armor style or complain because particular armor styles exist. Trust me - as someone looking long and hard for skirt-style armored lower halves, there aren't nearly enough - for you, there may be too many, but for me, there are far too many hip-flaps and mismatched tops-vs-bottoms and not nearly enough scale-mail and similar - and so on. Now, I quietly (for the most part - occasionally, when someone in guild chat brings it up, I might vent a little) wait my turn for the visual styles I'm waiting for. Please, do us all the courtesy, and patiently wait your turn for the armor styles that you prefer. Like all the rest of us have to.

tplink3r1

Its funny because the art of the motifs is actually really good, but then they look like crap when they implement them into the game.

Donny_Vito

tplink3r1 wrote: »

Its funny because the art of the motifs is actually really good, but then they look like crap when they implement them into the game.

So that would beg the question....is it the motif designers that need to get better (paraphrasing from the OP) or do the graphic designers who implement these motifs need to get better? I think you just caused the OPs head to explode as there are multiple people to blame now!!!!

TelvanniWizard

Come on people, why should we focus on realism when we could get instead chainmail bininis and high heel boots?

FrancisCrawford

madeeh91rwb17_ESO wrote: »

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

Most of your OP was subjective. The big decision is the discussion about the practicality of the swords.

But if we're worried about authenticity -- well, I believe every single bow design involves a quiver on the back. Oops!

Most of the light armor in game being skirt-ish in appearance is not subjective.
Most of the swords designs in game being impractical is not subjective.(Ask anyone who has above average knowledge of actual swords)

The question then remains about the cool factor. The cool factor comes from being 'new and exquisite'.
Like the Ebony greatsword style, and the skyrim robe offered as examples in the original post.

I'm with you on the things you're saying make no practical sense. I went a little far with my quiver point, however, in that back quivers were used in lots of places -- just not Europe.

But then, this is a game in which one can swim just as easily in plate armor as one can naked. Although that reminds me of ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfTecI1_OE0

madeeh91rwb17_ESO

phermitgb wrote: »

don't start demanding on behalf of the entire community to get rid of a particular armor style or complain because particular armor styles exist. Trust me - as someone looking long and hard for skirt-style armored lower halves, there aren't nearly enough

There are still far more of skirtlike styles than the ones I listen in OP, BY FAR.
So whats so hard to understand here?

madeeh91rwb17_ESO

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

Then I'II guess no one has ever stated something objective?

Read the thread please.

Now you assume that I did not read the thread. My statement still stands that your OP is not objective but subjective.

I did not indicate that it was wrong. Nor is anyone else's opinion incorrect. I merely indicated that it can't be considered objective since it is mostly opinion. The same goes for your statement about lore and history. It is not provable and thus subjective.

My personal opinion is in favor of variety and options for all. But I disagree with your approach to the topic. [/quote]

Cool.

Reread post#17 then.

whitecrow

I think Anequina and Pellitine are the best motifs to come by in a long time. I even like the helmets, which I almost always hide.

Chaos2088

Yeah some of them are very questionable, also we have loads of reachmen kinda style ones....want more nord, elf and shining armour. and if going to do a daedric one....make it very demon like! spikes and more spikes

Also about about some Aedra ones.....not everyone wants to look like one of the four horsemen...hehe

kargen27

madeeh91rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

If something doesn't suit your personal taste, it doesn't mean that game needs "better designers"

Given the fact that my knowledge of history and weaponry and elder scrolls lore is far above the average, I believe it kinda sorta does.

History and weaponry knowledge of the real world doesn't mean much when trying to apply it to a fantasy world. Even if you are an expert on Elder Scrolls lore what you are commenting on is aesthetics and personal taste plays a huge role in what individuals find aesthetically pleasing.

madeeh91rwb17_ESO

kargen27 wrote: »

History and weaponry knowledge of the real world doesn't mean much when trying to apply it to a fantasy world. Even if you are an expert on Elder Scrolls lore what you are commenting on is aesthetics and personal taste plays a huge role in what individuals find aesthetically pleasing.

Nothing in lore says people of Tamriel have different physical abilities and ergonomics than people of Earth.

max_only

I just want more asymmetrical designs. Also, they could stand to go a little fantastical without breaking theme.

StormeReigns

Dang. Was so hoping to make a Nord wearing a kilt with only greatsword. Can't now because it is terrible design to make skirts and something, something Final Fantasy and 2 handed swords are for weebs.

Ri_Khan

This is why all of my characters are rocking costumes. Gave up trying to piece together motif outfits for any of them because you just can't win when it comes to the shoulders, crotch flaps, tassets, all the rest of the floaty parts and of course, the funky dying system. Despite the amount of feedback and complaints I've seen over the years about this stuff, they just keep pumping em out like this.

If it wasn't for the ridiculous amount of achievement points locked behind them, I probably wouldn't have sunk as much time and gold into collecting as many as I have. As of now I only go after individual pages to complete larger master writs.

Ohtimbar

I was a compulsive motif collector, but they get uglier and gaudier as the years go by. I scarcely bother looking at the latest motifs and wouldn't want them for free. I would say the same of mounts, especially the overpriced 'apex' variety.

CMDR_Un1k0rn

I think the problem with motif designs lately is that they are all elven/cat.

I'm hoping that Greymoor will be the chance to bring in some nice human-style, low fantasy motifs.

I mean we've already got the pre-order style and it looks great!

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

I think the motifs look fine. The problem (for me) is the Crown cost. ZOS still has not figured out that you make more money by selling items that everyone can afford instead of just the whales.

Amphithoe

I would really like to see more functional designs as well, so sick of strangely shaped swords and overly pointed armors with weird pants.

MartiniDaniels

I disagree, ESO outfit system is one of the best in the genre imo. And there are plenty options for immersive, "realistic" armors and weapons. There are problems with races though... for me it looks like everything is created for dunmer/imperial sized base body and so for bigger races like nords, altmers, bretons amount of options with natural proportions are limited.

kargen27

madeeh91rwb17_ESO wrote: »

kargen27 wrote: »

History and weaponry knowledge of the real world doesn't mean much when trying to apply it to a fantasy world. Even if you are an expert on Elder Scrolls lore what you are commenting on is aesthetics and personal taste plays a huge role in what individuals find aesthetically pleasing.

Nothing in lore says people of Tamriel have different physical abilities and ergonomics than people of Earth.

Something is different. If a person on Earth were to jump out a 2nd story window in full armor I'm doubting they would be able to then sprint away. Gravity must be lower allowing for people to sue bigger swords?
Doesn't really matter though for this conversation. The OP is claiming the design team in insufficient because they are putting out items he finds personally unappealing for whatever reason. Had the OP stated he would like the design team to concentrate on different types and styles of armor his aesthetics argument could fly. Saying the team is incompetent because they aren't designing to his tastes is wrong.

darthgummibear_ESO

Cactus_Back wrote: »

I just want them to release more existing styles that are currently unobtainable for Outfit Designer. Ebon, Lich, Original Ashlander, Reach Winter etc. I cannot stand unobtainable gear in RPGs.

Stolen clothes should also be made available for Outfit Designer btw.

100% agree with all of this.

xaraan

Sounds like a lot of people just asking for specific things that they themselves like and definitely not speaking for the community. In fact, myself and friends have been liking a lot of the designs they've come up with lately. More variety? Sure, nothing wrong with that.

My only concern as a player that plays all beast races, especially argonian, is that more care be given to the tail area. They just allow them to clip through, which usually is passable, but sometimes it ends up being right there the chest and leg armors meet and it creates a horrible mess of weird clipping. Being that we mostly watch our characters run around from the backside all the time, this makes some armors unusable if that sort of overlapped clipping bothers you.

Grandesdar

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Nairinhe wrote: »

If something doesn't suit your personal taste, it doesn't mean that game needs "better designers"
What's up with people recently using "this stuff is bad" instead of "I don't like this stuff"?

New to the internet?

More like new to the Gen Z

zaria

Cavedog wrote: »

I've thought the same thing as the OP many times...but, how many sets are there in this game now? 350? How many different designs can there be anyway?

86 motifs, also the outfit styles who mostly have one weight so 350 is a bit overshoot but not bad.
Add costumes,

Nerouyn

StormeReigns wrote: »

Purely subjective.

Worse than that. Objectively wrong.

madeeh91rwb17_ESO wrote: »

I am TIRED of skirt-looking leg motifs

Are there any motifs which are 100% skirt-leg?

Light armor typically gets 1 chest piece with attached skirt-leg but there's also always a plain chest piece option.

A very small number of motifs which have skirt-leg options outside of light, eg. psijic heavy.

Certainly not every motif suits my tastes. But enough do that I'm able to make all of my characters look great.

Vevvev

I still find it funny every single one hand sword in this game that I could see had a 2 handed handle on it. Drives me crazy every time I see it.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

Vevvev wrote: »

I still find it funny every single one hand sword in this game that I could see had a 2 handed handle on it. Drives me crazy every time I see it.

What I find funny is every single dagger in the game is so large they actually short swords.

MrGhosty

If you were to say that the texturing on some of the older armors (particularly those meant to have 3d objects on them like fure only being a flat texture) are dated, that would be an objective statement. If you say they're bad, then you're crossing over into opinion territory. From a technical standpoint, the armors are just getting better. Their models are properly rendered and they're actually making fur look like fur.

I would personally like to see them keep expanding out on the various themes as they have been doing. I'm hoping for some really nice nord armors in this new season. Additionally, I would like to see them start adding one-off pieces via style pages that can be used to modify/enhance other sets. Retexturing/remodeling some of the older racial styles would also be welcome but I would prefer they get added as an updated set of armors rather than replace the existing styles as I do know some people really enjoy those "flatter" armors.

FierceSam

I would like to see at least one motif a year that wasn’t overtly an armour rip off.

A set that was actually about looking good rather than just being another set of armour. Just something vaguely imaginative, in keeping with the ESO aesthetic, that would dye well and allow my characters to look even more fantastic. Oh, and put it into the game not the f-ing Crap Store. And that’s not a huge ask in my opinion.

Because, frankly, I’m not that excited about the 85th pseudo medieval armour set - This Time In Grey!!! - that’s coming over the next 12 months.

ArchMikem

But i want more actual skirts. No more robes.