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Lopsided Victories (Gray Host) PC NA

  • Heimpai
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    Wing wrote: »
    I think ZOS devs should be forced to play PvP as AD and DC from morning till noon.

    every day.

    until they fix Cyro.

    They only have EP toons tho
  • Carespanker
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    Heimpai wrote: »
    Wing wrote: »
    I think ZOS devs should be forced to play PvP as AD and DC from morning till noon.

    every day.

    until they fix Cyro.

    They only have EP toons tho

    Funny, last year in EP's 6 month losing streak in all campaigns we said "Zos devs only play dc!" (which they have played dc since launch btw..)

    However, If I found out they changed factions after that im pretty sure the entirety of EP would die laughing.
  • Wing
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    Heimpai wrote: »
    Wing wrote: »
    I think ZOS devs should be forced to play PvP as AD and DC from morning till noon.

    every day.

    until they fix Cyro.

    They only have EP toons tho

    honestly I was thinking that same thing XD

    Rich out here zerging down no pop factions going "yeah PvP seems fine, whats the fuss about?"
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  • Icarus42
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    Thank you for all of your feedback everyone. It seems that opinions vary as to the cause of these "lopsided" victories.

    A lot of good insight and information in there that I was not aware of. Like many others I will continue to pvp just because it is so damn fun, despite the score.

    Everyone has their own way of enjoying pvp in kaalgrondtiid be it a personal victory in a 1v1 or 2vx etc. Or zerg surfing to the gates.

    My curiosity was ignited by the last 3or 4 campaigns being total blowouts, and why that was. Some of that has been answered here. Anyway thank you again and look forward to this dialogue continuing.
    Edited by Icarus42 on February 22, 2020 8:39PM
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  • twitch_zero
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    As an example of AD focussing DC, take today as an example, Friday night NA prime time. EP has emp, they are down to 1-2 emp keeps. DC tries to push them but every time we do AD pushes DC's back keeps. It gets worse, EP then gets the hammer, so they have hammer and EMP. Hammer comes DC DC defends but do AD take the chance to dethrone the EMP? No, they again push DC back keeps. All this blather about Feng and Homicide is just making excuses.
  • killimandrosb16_ESO
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    Heimpai wrote: »
    As an example of AD focussing DC, take today as an example, Friday night NA prime time. EP has emp, they are down to 1-2 emp keeps. DC tries to push them but every time we do AD pushes DC's back keeps. It gets worse, EP then gets the hammer, so they have hammer and EMP. Hammer comes DC DC defends but do AD take the chance to dethrone the EMP? No, they again push DC back keeps. All this blather about Feng and Homicide is just making excuses.

    Was this before or after dc tried taking roe instead of going chal?

    EP had one keep left for their emp. Brk. All the dc tried pushing brk. AD had keeps up to and including ash. Brk is tagged, emp is in danger. Theres a stalemate between ep with emp and dc at brk. What does ad do? They hit glademist and warden/rayles. Dc withdraws to defend their scrolls. They try to push Ep again, who now are trying to take chal. Dc stops ep at chal and push again for Brk. What happens? Ad hits Glademist again. This went on for a good 2 hours, then dc realized if they were to secure scrolls, ash must be secured. Ep takes chal and sej, and push alessia. GG. Then the momentum was gone.

    Edit; I ask a friend on AD what tf is happening? He replies, ad is hitting glademist because they have an agreement with ep they will secure second place if ad help ep stop dc, because of fengrush. I just want to inform all ad; second place is first loser in a line. Third place is second. in same line. Both are still losers.
    Edited by killimandrosb16_ESO on February 22, 2020 12:40PM
  • Heimpai
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    Heimpai wrote: »
    As an example of AD focussing DC, take today as an example, Friday night NA prime time. EP has emp, they are down to 1-2 emp keeps. DC tries to push them but every time we do AD pushes DC's back keeps. It gets worse, EP then gets the hammer, so they have hammer and EMP. Hammer comes DC DC defends but do AD take the chance to dethrone the EMP? No, they again push DC back keeps. All this blather about Feng and Homicide is just making excuses.

    Was this before or after dc tried taking roe instead of going chal?

    EP had one keep left for their emp. Brk. All the dc tried pushing brk. AD had keeps up to and including ash. Brk is tagged, emp is in danger. Theres a stalemate between ep with emp and dc at brk. What does ad do? They hit glademist and warden/rayles. Dc withdraws to defend their scrolls. They try to push Ep again, who now are trying to take chal. Dc stops ep at chal and push again for Brk. What happens? Ad hits Glademist again. This went on for a good 2 hours, then dc realized if they were to secure scrolls, ash must be secured. Ep takes chal and sej, and push alessia. GG. Then the momentum was gone.

    Edit; I ask a friend on AD what tf is happening? He replies, ad is hitting glademist because they have an agreement with ep they will secure second place if ad help ep stop dc, because of fengrush. I just want to inform all ad; second place is first loser in a line. Third place is second. in same line. Both are still losers.

    Probably with the "EP" that just left AD..so much for faction lock being good
  • Akinos
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    Heimpai wrote: »
    As an example of AD focussing DC, take today as an example, Friday night NA prime time. EP has emp, they are down to 1-2 emp keeps. DC tries to push them but every time we do AD pushes DC's back keeps. It gets worse, EP then gets the hammer, so they have hammer and EMP. Hammer comes DC DC defends but do AD take the chance to dethrone the EMP? No, they again push DC back keeps. All this blather about Feng and Homicide is just making excuses.

    Was this before or after dc tried taking roe instead of going chal?

    EP had one keep left for their emp. Brk. All the dc tried pushing brk. AD had keeps up to and including ash. Brk is tagged, emp is in danger. Theres a stalemate between ep with emp and dc at brk. What does ad do? They hit glademist and warden/rayles. Dc withdraws to defend their scrolls. They try to push Ep again, who now are trying to take chal. Dc stops ep at chal and push again for Brk. What happens? Ad hits Glademist again. This went on for a good 2 hours, then dc realized if they were to secure scrolls, ash must be secured. Ep takes chal and sej, and push alessia. GG. Then the momentum was gone.

    Edit; I ask a friend on AD what tf is happening? He replies, ad is hitting glademist because they have an agreement with ep they will secure second place if ad help ep stop dc, because of fengrush. I just want to inform all ad; second place is first loser in a line. Third place is second. in same line. Both are still losers.

    lol, an agreement? If there really is a deal between ad and ep it's not with any of the better guilds like Vanguard, Tyr or Drac that actually make a difference on EP. It's gonna be the guilds that run 24 people and still wipe to smaller groups or stand under oils and wipe. If there is an some kind of actual agreement against him with his attitude and how he treats people on stream...well i can't say I'm suprised.
    Edited by Akinos on February 22, 2020 7:48PM
  • Ranger209
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    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/509005/the-official-north-america-pc-pvp-faction-discords#latest

    Let me introduce you to "The Official PC North America Team Orange" discords.
    Edited by Ranger209 on February 22, 2020 4:31PM
  • Heimpai
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    Ranger209 wrote: »
    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/509005/the-official-north-america-pc-pvp-faction-discords#latest

    Let me introduce you to "The Official PC North America Team Orange" discords.

    Sorry team green got shutdown at Arrius, better luck next time
  • Carespanker
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    That agreement (if you can call it that because as afkinos said, barely anyone agree'd to it lol) ended 2 months ago (As stated in post #81) and both myself and ep/ad are not responsible for kaal player's current actions. Hell, I personally haven't even been in Kaal for the past month (other than to make campaign reports) since it literally hasn't changed since It was turned red. I asked around AD recently after reading these posts and the current majority opinion is that AD really doesn't really care about winning because they really don't have a chance when they are being gated for being the smallest faction. So sorry dc but ya made it personal and I don't see that changing till you end this vendetta. As for EP, they haven't changed their strategy since- well, whenever the gm's and I collectively came up with it and started winning...

    Regardless, what did you expect to happen when you base your strategy around overextending one way in a streamer stack? Its not rocket science on how to counter that...

    If DC players, guild masters, or raid leaders want to learn how to play to win again then ya know where to find me and you'll get the same support as any other faction regardless of what the streamer sheep will tell ya. <3



    Edited by Carespanker on February 22, 2020 6:02PM
  • killimandrosb16_ESO
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    you really need to channel your energy into something positive for your life, instead of nagging all on the 3-4 hours feng spends in cyrodiil. And most DC KNOW how to win, you dont have to tell anyone, Ep or Ad too. Its all about stacking the largest population at the weird hours and take everything. thats how Ep wins. Its no master tacticians plan behind it. Every evening at the exact same hour, Ep stacks 70+ players at bleaks and rolls the mat up to warden/rayles. thats how you win. DC or AD doesnt have these numbers. Its a legit tactic, mind you. But, just like the poplocked ep in the very early morning gate 1 bar DC, its the same tactic all again. And watching the pop numbers, nothing indicates that will change in the future either.
    Edited by killimandrosb16_ESO on February 22, 2020 7:48PM
  • twitch_zero
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    Akinos wrote: »
    lol, an agreement? If there really is a deal between ad and ep it's not with any of the better guilds like Vanguard, Tyr or Drac that actually make a difference on EP. It's gonna be the guilds that run 24 people and still wipe to smaller groups or stand under oils and wipe. If there is an some kind of actual agreement against him with his attitude and how he treats people on stream...well i can't say I'm suprised.

    Trying to remember the last time Tyr hit AD and I can't, not saying they haven't it just seems rare. As for an agreement it seems there was one but just because there may not be anything official now doesn't stop AD playing as if there still is.
    Edited by twitch_zero on February 22, 2020 11:44PM
  • twitch_zero
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    That agreement (if you can call it that because as afkinos said, barely anyone agree'd to it lol) ended 2 months ago (As stated in post #81) and both myself and ep/ad are not responsible for kaal player's current actions. Hell, I personally haven't even been in Kaal for the past month (other than to make campaign reports) since it literally hasn't changed since It was turned red. I asked around AD recently after reading these posts and the current majority opinion is that AD really doesn't really care about winning because they really don't have a chance when they are being gated for being the smallest faction. So sorry dc but ya made it personal and I don't see that changing till you end this vendetta. As for EP, they haven't changed their strategy since- well, whenever the gm's and I collectively came up with it and started winning...

    DC doesn't have a vendetta against AD, 1 guild does, thats all.
  • Satiar
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    Heimpai wrote: »
    As an example of AD focussing DC, take today as an example, Friday night NA prime time. EP has emp, they are down to 1-2 emp keeps. DC tries to push them but every time we do AD pushes DC's back keeps. It gets worse, EP then gets the hammer, so they have hammer and EMP. Hammer comes DC DC defends but do AD take the chance to dethrone the EMP? No, they again push DC back keeps. All this blather about Feng and Homicide is just making excuses.

    Was this before or after dc tried taking roe instead of going chal?

    EP had one keep left for their emp. Brk. All the dc tried pushing brk. AD had keeps up to and including ash. Brk is tagged, emp is in danger. Theres a stalemate between ep with emp and dc at brk. What does ad do? They hit glademist and warden/rayles. Dc withdraws to defend their scrolls. They try to push Ep again, who now are trying to take chal. Dc stops ep at chal and push again for Brk. What happens? Ad hits Glademist again. This went on for a good 2 hours, then dc realized if they were to secure scrolls, ash must be secured. Ep takes chal and sej, and push alessia. GG. Then the momentum was gone.

    Edit; I ask a friend on AD what tf is happening? He replies, ad is hitting glademist because they have an agreement with ep they will secure second place if ad help ep stop dc, because of fengrush. I just want to inform all ad; second place is first loser in a line. Third place is second. in same line. Both are still losers.

    Our group with Emp and Hammer were pretty confused. DC pushes Arrius instead of pushing for BRK. AD gave up after pushing BRK 2x. What can ya do.
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  • killimandrosb16_ESO
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    Satiar wrote: »
    Heimpai wrote: »
    As an example of AD focussing DC, take today as an example, Friday night NA prime time. EP has emp, they are down to 1-2 emp keeps. DC tries to push them but every time we do AD pushes DC's back keeps. It gets worse, EP then gets the hammer, so they have hammer and EMP. Hammer comes DC DC defends but do AD take the chance to dethrone the EMP? No, they again push DC back keeps. All this blather about Feng and Homicide is just making excuses.

    Was this before or after dc tried taking roe instead of going chal?

    EP had one keep left for their emp. Brk. All the dc tried pushing brk. AD had keeps up to and including ash. Brk is tagged, emp is in danger. Theres a stalemate between ep with emp and dc at brk. What does ad do? They hit glademist and warden/rayles. Dc withdraws to defend their scrolls. They try to push Ep again, who now are trying to take chal. Dc stops ep at chal and push again for Brk. What happens? Ad hits Glademist again. This went on for a good 2 hours, then dc realized if they were to secure scrolls, ash must be secured. Ep takes chal and sej, and push alessia. GG. Then the momentum was gone.

    Edit; I ask a friend on AD what tf is happening? He replies, ad is hitting glademist because they have an agreement with ep they will secure second place if ad help ep stop dc, because of fengrush. I just want to inform all ad; second place is first loser in a line. Third place is second. in same line. Both are still losers.

    Our group with Emp and Hammer were pretty confused. DC pushes Arrius instead of pushing for BRK. AD gave up after pushing BRK 2x. What can ya do.

    That does make sense. If that was yesterday. Ep has dc scroll, one keep left for emp defence. Ad at brk (last emp keep), dc push arrius. makes perfect sense.
  • killimandrosb16_ESO
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    Here we have poplocked ep vs 2 bar ad/dc. Ep has both ad scrolls, ad has hammer and hits dc keeps. Makes sense. Btw, nice zerg ep

    https://imgur.com/a/yhr2dXQ

    https://imgur.com/a/7ZxPMkY
  • Minnesinger
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    Here we have poplocked ep vs 2 bar ad/dc. Ep has both ad scrolls, ad has hammer and hits dc keeps. Makes sense. Btw, nice zerg ep

    https://imgur.com/a/yhr2dXQ

    https://imgur.com/a/7ZxPMkY

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  • Ranger209
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    Here we have poplocked ep vs 2 bar ad/dc. Ep has both ad scrolls, ad has hammer and hits dc keeps. Makes sense. Btw, nice zerg ep

    https://imgur.com/a/yhr2dXQ

    https://imgur.com/a/7ZxPMkY

    The hammer is at Roe, shich is an AD home keep.

    Yep AD got hammer and took Roe then went and took Ash. While at Ash EP took Roe back so they decided to double back. If they had went after their own home keeps and then to scrolls they never would have lost Roe back to EP to begin with. AD ended up losing hammer to EP while trying to take Roe back.
  • MajBludd
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    Blame guilds. They dont want good fights or they'd be on the lowest pop faction. It's all about farming easy AP.

    Vet is headed the way of U50, one faction with the majority of the pop and the other 2 factions throwing their hands up in the air.

    All the while a small minority of players getting told to stfu for trying to curb the inevitable.
  • vamp_emily
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    You can't blame faction lock for lopsided scores if players are at fault. Recently it seems as if AD thinks Allessia is an EP home keep and Ash is theirs.

    If majority of the AD players pushed towards EP then don't you think each keep they take/hold would effect the score? If AD concentrated on keeping Allessia then that would be less points for EP? If they take Drake that would be even less points for EP. Those points over time would make a huge difference.

    I'm not saying AD/DC should never fight because they are both there to win but if EP is winning it would be wise to try and keep the scores closer so that any faction has a chance.




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  • MajBludd
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    Maybe AD hits DC because it's easier? Idk, I dont play dc or ad in vet, but thats usually what happens.
    AD hits EP, wipes a few times. Then they try their luck in the other direction. Find some success and continue to push where they can win.

    I could be totally wrong and it could be some dumb ass video game grudge too.
  • Somnilux
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    Akinos wrote: »
    lol, an agreement? If there really is a deal between ad and ep it's not with any of the better guilds like Vanguard, Tyr or Drac that actually make a difference on EP. It's gonna be the guilds that run 24 people and still wipe to smaller groups or stand under oils and wipe. If there is an some kind of actual agreement against him with his attitude and how he treats people on stream...well i can't say I'm suprised.

    Trying to remember the last time Tyr hit AD and I can't, not saying they haven't it just seems rare. As for an agreement it seems there was one but just because there may not be anything official now doesn't stop AD playing as if there still is.

    Wait what?

    Tyr spends 90% of their time farming AD pugs, mostly by taking fare, roe or nikel and just fighting repeatedly over the flags and top of the keep.

    I don't think they ever farm DC keeps except occasionally ash when they get pushed to it from nikel.

    Or was this sarcasm?

    Most of the major AP farming guilds focus AD as a faction, whether it be cobra kai (that literally only farms fare), dracarys, tyr, now VE. And then you have the whole fengrush horde.

    AD is just the least organized faction overall outside of primetime. You can take AD resources and only get 1-2 people come to take it back at a time. You don't see a mass response like you do EP and DC.

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  • JobooAGS
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    Somnilux wrote: »
    Akinos wrote: »
    lol, an agreement? If there really is a deal between ad and ep it's not with any of the better guilds like Vanguard, Tyr or Drac that actually make a difference on EP. It's gonna be the guilds that run 24 people and still wipe to smaller groups or stand under oils and wipe. If there is an some kind of actual agreement against him with his attitude and how he treats people on stream...well i can't say I'm suprised.

    Trying to remember the last time Tyr hit AD and I can't, not saying they haven't it just seems rare. As for an agreement it seems there was one but just because there may not be anything official now doesn't stop AD playing as if there still is.

    Wait what?

    Tyr spends 90% of their time farming AD pugs, mostly by taking fare, roe or nikel and just fighting repeatedly over the flags and top of the keep.

    I don't think they ever farm DC keeps except occasionally ash when they get pushed to it from nikel.

    Or was this sarcasm?

    Most of the major AP farming guilds focus AD as a faction, whether it be cobra kai (that literally only farms fare), dracarys, tyr, now VE. And then you have the whole fengrush horde.

    AD is just the least organized faction overall outside of primetime. You can take AD resources and only get 1-2 people come to take it back at a time. You don't see a mass response like you do EP and DC.

    Hmm, is this true? Because whenever I'm on, there is always drac or tyr farming rayles, nikel or glade when they are farming a keep/outpost
  • killimandrosb16_ESO
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    JobooAGS wrote: »
    Somnilux wrote: »
    Akinos wrote: »
    lol, an agreement? If there really is a deal between ad and ep it's not with any of the better guilds like Vanguard, Tyr or Drac that actually make a difference on EP. It's gonna be the guilds that run 24 people and still wipe to smaller groups or stand under oils and wipe. If there is an some kind of actual agreement against him with his attitude and how he treats people on stream...well i can't say I'm suprised.

    Trying to remember the last time Tyr hit AD and I can't, not saying they haven't it just seems rare. As for an agreement it seems there was one but just because there may not be anything official now doesn't stop AD playing as if there still is.

    Wait what?

    Tyr spends 90% of their time farming AD pugs, mostly by taking fare, roe or nikel and just fighting repeatedly over the flags and top of the keep.

    I don't think they ever farm DC keeps except occasionally ash when they get pushed to it from nikel.

    Or was this sarcasm?

    Most of the major AP farming guilds focus AD as a faction, whether it be cobra kai (that literally only farms fare), dracarys, tyr, now VE. And then you have the whole fengrush horde.

    AD is just the least organized faction overall outside of primetime. You can take AD resources and only get 1-2 people come to take it back at a time. You don't see a mass response like you do EP and DC.

    Hmm, is this true? Because whenever I'm on, there is always drac or tyr farming rayles, nikel or glade when they are farming a keep/outpost

    Its not true. Even though in all honesty I did see Tyr south some days ago, but that was cause they were chased there. How many guild groups are there anyway in NA that arent just pugs under one banner? Tyr, Dracarys and some of the very small 5-8 man groups from all 3 factions. Dracarys I dont see often in the lakes anymore. Tyr, will go glademist to "punish" dc pugs cause fengs rip-squad farm them. They arent very dangerous and normally wipe to dc pugs. Not enough damage.
  • KBKB
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    As a solo DC player since the CP system came into play I feel EP and AD are saying some very hurtful things about our entire faction in this thread when it's like 40 dudes you seem to really have a problem with ;(
  • Destyran
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    On Xbox NA with the new campaign it feels like every player went to blue
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