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Strongest PVP StamClass Feb 2020
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No. Simply by virtue of being a Stamina build, Stam Sorc is well above F-tier.universal_wrath wrote: »8 -
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No. Simply by virtue of being a Stamina build, Stam Sorc is well above F-tier.universal_wrath wrote: »
Exactly anyone saying Stamsorc isn't good are just bad at the game. Stamsorc is one of the best classes to solo on in Cyrodiil way above than some mag specs.
They have the best speed, good damage, awesome sustain and tankiness. They can easily escape a zerg chasing them if they want to.
They may lack a bit of class skills or identity as they call it but they are in no way a bad class.Edited by Revokus on February 22, 2020 6:39PMPlaying since January 23, 20166 -
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No. Simply by virtue of being a Stamina build, Stam Sorc is well above F-tier.universal_wrath wrote: »
Exactly anyone saying Stamsorc isn't good are just bad at the game. Stamsorc is one of the best classes to solo on in Cyrodiil way above than some mag specs.
They have the best speed, good damage, awesome sustain and tankiness. They can easily escape a zerg chasing them if they want to.
They may lack a bit of class skills or identity as they call it but they are in no way a bad class.
Exactly. I also don't get why people think a class spammable is a class identity. Stamsorc has an excelent identity: Speed and versitality in combat. Hurricane and Streak are definitly unique skills from sorc that you can't find in any other class.
No one will be as strong as sorc with the same mobility. Speed is actually the most OP/important part of PvP, which is one of the reasons Stamina is superior to magicka in a lot of instances.
Addiotionally, Stamsorc is not only excelent for solo, but also works wonders in groups: AoE damage, access to negate, Streak to engage/disengage, Dark Deal helps recovering while LoSing, really good burst, and so on.Edited by Nevasca on February 22, 2020 7:04PM3 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭Littlebluelizard wrote: »
No. Simply by virtue of being a Stamina build, Stam Sorc is well above F-tier.universal_wrath wrote: »
Exactly anyone saying Stamsorc isn't good are just bad at the game. Stamsorc is one of the best classes to solo on in Cyrodiil way above than some mag specs.
They have the best speed, good damage, awesome sustain and tankiness. They can easily escape a zerg chasing them if they want to.
They may lack a bit of class skills or identity as they call it but they are in no way a bad class.
Exactly. I also don't get why people think a class spammable is a class identity. Stamsorc has an excelent identity: Speed and versitality in combat. Hurricane and Streak are definitly unique skills from sorc that you can't find in any other class.
No one will be as strong as sorc with the same mobility. Speed is actually the most OP/important part of PvP, which is one of the reasons Stamina is superior to magicka in a lot of instances.
Addiotionally, Stamsorc is not only excelent for solo, but also works wonders in groups: AoE damage, access to negate, Streak to engage/disengage, Dark Deal helps recovering while LoSing, really good burst, and so on.
I think mag sorc is faster and more verstile and even better in both group and solo play than stam sorc.
My opinion on stam sorc being as bad as magcro or maybe worse is based purely on BGs and lots of really good top players in EU servers agree that stamina sorcerer is one of the worst classes to play with in BG. Mind that if you play against nowbies and decent players you will be like Zeus to them, but once you player against top players you are just a free kill. Most stamina sorcerer mains in BGs have switched to other stamina classes and that is not because they stopped liking the classes, it is just the class was not good enough to kill or survive burst combos as other classes even if it was fast enough to run away.Edited by universal_wrath on February 22, 2020 8:20PM1 -
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Exactly anyone saying Stamsorc isn't good are just bad at the game. Stamsorc is one of the best classes to solo on in Cyrodiil way above than some mag specs.
They have the best speed, good damage, awesome sustain and tankiness. They can easily escape a zerg chasing them if they want to.
They may lack a bit of class skills or identity as they call it but they are in no way a bad class.
No, stamsorc only has good speed and sustain. It is the squishiest stamclass in the game since it get's nothing to boost mitigation.
And stamsorc has bottom tier damage, it doesn't have any class damage skills or ults like other stamclasses do, all it has is 2 damage passives but other classes get that anyway.
Stamsorcs speed and sustain is good, it allows it to kite and pick targets but the class suffers because of it's low damage, it's the reason why most stamsorc players say the class isn't in the best spot, and this is getting far worse next patch with dizzy/2h nerfs.
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✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »Littlebluelizard wrote: »
No. Simply by virtue of being a Stamina build, Stam Sorc is well above F-tier.universal_wrath wrote: »
Exactly anyone saying Stamsorc isn't good are just bad at the game. Stamsorc is one of the best classes to solo on in Cyrodiil way above than some mag specs.
They have the best speed, good damage, awesome sustain and tankiness. They can easily escape a zerg chasing them if they want to.
They may lack a bit of class skills or identity as they call it but they are in no way a bad class.
Exactly. I also don't get why people think a class spammable is a class identity. Stamsorc has an excelent identity: Speed and versitality in combat. Hurricane and Streak are definitly unique skills from sorc that you can't find in any other class.
No one will be as strong as sorc with the same mobility. Speed is actually the most OP/important part of PvP, which is one of the reasons Stamina is superior to magicka in a lot of instances.
Addiotionally, Stamsorc is not only excelent for solo, but also works wonders in groups: AoE damage, access to negate, Streak to engage/disengage, Dark Deal helps recovering while LoSing, really good burst, and so on.
I think mag sorc is faster and more verstile and even better in both group and solo play than stam sorc.
My opinion on stam sorc being as bad as magcro or maybe worse is based purely on BGs and lots of really good top players in EU servers agree that stamina sorcerer is one of the worst classes to play with in BG. Mind that if you play against nowbies and decent players you will be like Zeus to them, but once you player against top players you are just a free kill. Most stamina sorcerer mains in BGs have switched to other stamina classes and that is not because they stopped liking the classes, it is just the class was not good enough to kill or survive burst combos as other classes even if it was fast enough to run away.
So there are no good stamsorcs on PC-EU? Weird. It’s not the class, it’s PC-EU then. There are some good stamsorcs on PC-NA.
Edit - but I was just thinking, I wonder if lag plays a big part of it. Speed is one of the best defenses, but if it’s laggy it can be unreliable.Edited by Iskiab on February 22, 2020 8:47PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
Tolino✭✭✭✭✭Exactly anyone saying Stamsorc isn't good are just bad at the game. Stamsorc is one of the best classes to solo on in Cyrodiil way above than some mag specs.
They have the best speed, good damage, awesome sustain and tankiness. They can easily escape a zerg chasing them if they want to.
They may lack a bit of class skills or identity as they call it but they are in no way a bad class.
The only thing Stamsorc has is speed and sustain. Speed is fun but only only really effective with high burst-dmg. That's exactly where the problem is with the Stamsorc.
Stamsorc has great dmg-Passives, but was doas more dmg? Dizzy +Onslought (+10%) or Dizzy+Onslaught+ Subterranean Assult/Power of the light/Blastbones? Not the stronger Dizzy+Onslought on Stamsorc!!!! Stamdk has its dots and Stamblade has similar trouble.
And the only offensiv threat Stamsorc has is Dizzy+Onslought (Bound Armarments is trash). And that's because 2h/Onslaught is OP. Not because of Stamsorc...
Awsome tankiness???? They have only Major Resolve. All other classes has a lot more.
If I had to rank the stamclasses it would look like this:
S Stamnecro / Stamden / Stamplar
A Stamdk
B Stamsorc / Stamblade
Magsorc: Tôlino (Wardless)
Magden: Wa-Uller
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BaiterOfZergs✭✭✭✭✭Speaking on stam sorc, I would hardly say speed is unique to them. Maybe from a base build perspective but from a complete build perspective just about every stam class can move at the same speed if you choose to add speed to your build. Which I feel like you should since speed/mobility makes a huge difference.
The problem with stam sorc right now for me is the change to dawnbreaker ruined their in and out burst gameplay. Changes to dw didn’t help either but the dawnbreaker change was terrible for the class. Now most are just the generic d swing onslaught stam sorc.
Dw+ dawnbreaker stam sorc > D swing + onslaught stam sorc.Zerg of House Smallscale, First of his name, wielder of Volendrung, battleground hero, Cyrodiil butcher, the swifft footed, OG of the Templars and first pvpers, defender of scrolls and baiter of zergs.2 -
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✭✭✭Speaking of stamsorcs, I did a BG today with one of the best ones on PC-NA. He said he was in a support build using DW, he still cleaned up but I have no idea what his spec is.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
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✭✭✭✭Speaking of stamsorcs, I did a BG today with one of the best ones on PC-NA. He said he was in a support build using DW, he still cleaned up but I have no idea what his spec is.
I played with them once against you yesterday night. I think that player always says "I'm playing a support build" when they enter BG. We were both using Echoing Vigor, but the only support I can think of is what I like doing, using Troll King + Echoing Vigor to spread the proc to team mates. He and I both had around 250k healing so I'm guessing thats what they meant by "Support"?
Anyway, I agree, stam sorc lacks the delayed burst that other classes have, but this notion that they're bad hasn't been my experience 1 bit. I feel downright OP sometimes, 1v1 is can be difficult, but 1vX feels really good, working with your team is also essential. Setting up stuns with streak, like Necro's to ult has been very strong, being in peoples face with all the speed feels like Summerset launch with all the Swift traits. I love playing stam sorc and while I wish they would make Bound Armaments better to actually use like Shalks/BB/PoL. It's a start in the right direction.
Although you can add minor expedition or swift jewelry to other classes, you sacrifice quite a bit to do so where the buff is included on our armor buff that does aoe damage. That is very unique imo. Try using Steed + Stam Sorc + Quick Cloak and you move, not sprint, but move at +150% movement speed along with Streak is nasty.
I'd just like Bound Armaments to work better, some type of new damage ability like a Stam Curse and a class Ultimate that does Physical Damage, but overall I love the playstyle and it's hard to play any other class in pvp, so the "identity" is there, but it needs fine tuning. Also, no passives do anything for healing or tanking, this is a big pain point of the class.Edited by MashmalloMan on February 23, 2020 3:06AMPC Beta - 2200+ CP
Stam Sorc Khajiit PvE/PVP Main || Stam Sorc Dark Elf PvP ||
Stam Templar Dark Elf || Stam Warden Wood Elf || Stam DK Nord || Stam Necro Orc || Stam Blade Khajiit
Mag Sorc High Elf || Mag Templar High Elf || Mag Warden Breton || Mag Necro Khajiit || Mag Blade Khajiit1 -
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✭MashmalloMan wrote: »I played with them once against you yesterday night. I think that player always says "I'm playing a support build" when they enter BG. We were both using Echoing Vigor, but the only support I can think of is what I like doing, using Troll King + Echoing Vigor to spread the proc to team mates. He and I both had around 250k healing so I'm guessing thats what they meant by "Support"?
Anyway, I agree, stam sorc lacks the delayed burst that other classes have, but this notion that they're bad hasn't been my experience 1 bit. I feel downright OP sometimes, 1v1 is can be difficult, but 1vX feels really good, working with your team is also essential. Setting up stuns with streak, like Necro's to ult has been very strong, being in peoples face with all the speed feels like Summerset launch with all the Swift traits. I love playing stam sorc and while I wish they would make Bound Armaments better to actually use like Shalks/BB/PoL. It's a start in the right direction.
Although you can add minor expedition or swift jewelry to other classes, you sacrifice quite a bit to do so where the buff is included on our armor buff that does aoe damage. That is very unique imo. Try using Steed + Stam Sorc + Quick Cloak and you move, not sprint, but move at +150% movement speed along with Streak is nasty.
I'd just like Bound Armaments to work better, some type of new damage ability like a Stam Curse and a class Ultimate that does Physical Damage, but overall I love the playstyle and it's hard to play any other class in pvp, so the "identity" is there, but it needs fine tuning. Also, no passives do anything for healing or tanking, this is a big pain point of the class.
Stamsorcs kit isn't bad, what it has is good. It's just like you say though, it lacks damage and that's why many consider it bad. It's damage is pretty low and this drags the class down.
Just making bound armaments a worthwile skill to add to our burst combo like shalk or potl ect would make stamsorc a solid class imo.
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✭✭✭MashmalloMan wrote: »Speaking of stamsorcs, I did a BG today with one of the best ones on PC-NA. He said he was in a support build using DW, he still cleaned up but I have no idea what his spec is.
I played with them once against you yesterday night. I think that player always says "I'm playing a support build" when they enter BG. We were both using Echoing Vigor, but the only support I can think of is what I like doing, using Troll King + Echoing Vigor to spread the proc to team mates. He and I both had around 250k healing so I'm guessing thats what they meant by "Support"?
Anyway, I agree, stam sorc lacks the delayed burst that other classes have, but this notion that they're bad hasn't been my experience 1 bit. I feel downright OP sometimes, 1v1 is can be difficult, but 1vX feels really good, working with your team is also essential. Setting up stuns with streak, like Necro's to ult has been very strong, being in peoples face with all the speed feels like Summerset launch with all the Swift traits. I love playing stam sorc and while I wish they would make Bound Armaments better to actually use like Shalks/BB/PoL. It's a start in the right direction.
Although you can add minor expedition or swift jewelry to other classes, you sacrifice quite a bit to do so where the buff is included on our armor buff that does aoe damage. That is very unique imo. Try using Steed + Stam Sorc + Quick Cloak and you move, not sprint, but move at +150% movement speed along with Streak is nasty.
I'd just like Bound Armaments to work better, some type of new damage ability like a Stam Curse and a class Ultimate that does Physical Damage, but overall I love the playstyle and it's hard to play any other class in pvp, so the "identity" is there, but it needs fine tuning. Also, no passives do anything for healing or tanking, this is a big pain point of the class.
Maybe, I played my stamwarden as a full Cyro healer and used powerful assault. It’s the only decent support set that stamina get, but for BGs it’d be a heavy hit since it’s only 4 people per team and you can spread the buff on more than 4 people. I think you’re right, they meant troll king and echoing.Edited by Iskiab on February 23, 2020 4:17AMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »Littlebluelizard wrote: »
No. Simply by virtue of being a Stamina build, Stam Sorc is well above F-tier.universal_wrath wrote: »
Exactly anyone saying Stamsorc isn't good are just bad at the game. Stamsorc is one of the best classes to solo on in Cyrodiil way above than some mag specs.
They have the best speed, good damage, awesome sustain and tankiness. They can easily escape a zerg chasing them if they want to.
They may lack a bit of class skills or identity as they call it but they are in no way a bad class.
Exactly. I also don't get why people think a class spammable is a class identity. Stamsorc has an excelent identity: Speed and versitality in combat. Hurricane and Streak are definitly unique skills from sorc that you can't find in any other class.
No one will be as strong as sorc with the same mobility. Speed is actually the most OP/important part of PvP, which is one of the reasons Stamina is superior to magicka in a lot of instances.
Addiotionally, Stamsorc is not only excelent for solo, but also works wonders in groups: AoE damage, access to negate, Streak to engage/disengage, Dark Deal helps recovering while LoSing, really good burst, and so on.
I think mag sorc is faster and more verstile and even better in both group and solo play than stam sorc.
My opinion on stam sorc being as bad as magcro or maybe worse is based purely on BGs and lots of really good top players in EU servers agree that stamina sorcerer is one of the worst classes to play with in BG. Mind that if you play against nowbies and decent players you will be like Zeus to them, but once you player against top players you are just a free kill. Most stamina sorcerer mains in BGs have switched to other stamina classes and that is not because they stopped liking the classes, it is just the class was not good enough to kill or survive burst combos as other classes even if it was fast enough to run away.
So there are no good stamsorcs on PC-EU? Weird. It’s not the class, it’s PC-EU then. There are some good stamsorcs on PC-NA.
Edit - but I was just thinking, I wonder if lag plays a big part of it. Speed is one of the best defenses, but if it’s laggy it can be unreliable.
I never said there aren't good stam sorcs, I speak purely from BG perspective. Most of not all stamsorc main have switch to other classes because the class was bot good enough to kill or survive. Only remaining stam sorc I know have switch to bow snipe spammer, he says he is doing more dmg than what he did when playing 2H or daul weilding, also he is far enough to not get smacked nd die. Other class might be slower, but sure as hell deal more dmg abd have more dmg mitigation and healing than stam sorc by large margin. Playing BGs is quite different than open world which is why we might have a contradictory opinions on this matter.1 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭BaiterOfZergs wrote: »Speaking on stam sorc, I would hardly say speed is unique to them. Maybe from a base build perspective but from a complete build perspective just about every stam class can move at the same speed if you choose to add speed to your build. Which I feel like you should since speed/mobility makes a huge difference.
The problem with stam sorc right now for me is the change to dawnbreaker ruined their in and out burst gameplay. Changes to dw didn’t help either but the dawnbreaker change was terrible for the class. Now most are just the generic d swing onslaught stam sorc.
Dw+ dawnbreaker stam sorc > D swing + onslaught stam sorc.
Shhhh, you are telling obviuos stuff, but people still believe that stam sorc is faster because streak. You can barely streak 2 or 3 times withough exhausting your resource when streaking in BGs, but people still catch up to you so fast that you are left without resource. Also, most people still believe that stam sorc combo: DW+DBS/Ost is stronger than DW+flight with major fracture as DK or DK+Sub+Ost/DBS.
I don't know why. It is true that stam sorc has reverse eclxcute passive, but that only makes it harder for you to kill target as you will be doing less dmg the more you lower you targets HP. It might work on squishy or nowibe targets but it never work on good players. Also most other classes even stamDK are better than stam sorc because of debuffs. StamDK while is almost similar to stamsorc, it has facture/breach as well as dots in its tool kit making its relaince is not as bad as sorc and having flat 8% more dmg from fracture is far better than 10% scaling down with lower HP. Stamblade might fare better than stamsorc because of their class spaambale, excute, and burst abitily as it makes them pick their weapons of choice freely.0 -
fbours✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »Littlebluelizard wrote: »
No. Simply by virtue of being a Stamina build, Stam Sorc is well above F-tier.universal_wrath wrote: »
Exactly anyone saying Stamsorc isn't good are just bad at the game. Stamsorc is one of the best classes to solo on in Cyrodiil way above than some mag specs.
They have the best speed, good damage, awesome sustain and tankiness. They can easily escape a zerg chasing them if they want to.
They may lack a bit of class skills or identity as they call it but they are in no way a bad class.
Exactly. I also don't get why people think a class spammable is a class identity. Stamsorc has an excelent identity: Speed and versitality in combat. Hurricane and Streak are definitly unique skills from sorc that you can't find in any other class.
No one will be as strong as sorc with the same mobility. Speed is actually the most OP/important part of PvP, which is one of the reasons Stamina is superior to magicka in a lot of instances.
Addiotionally, Stamsorc is not only excelent for solo, but also works wonders in groups: AoE damage, access to negate, Streak to engage/disengage, Dark Deal helps recovering while LoSing, really good burst, and so on.
I think mag sorc is faster and more verstile and even better in both group and solo play than stam sorc.
My opinion on stam sorc being as bad as magcro or maybe worse is based purely on BGs and lots of really good top players in EU servers agree that stamina sorcerer is one of the worst classes to play with in BG. Mind that if you play against nowbies and decent players you will be like Zeus to them, but once you player against top players you are just a free kill. Most stamina sorcerer mains in BGs have switched to other stamina classes and that is not because they stopped liking the classes, it is just the class was not good enough to kill or survive burst combos as other classes even if it was fast enough to run away.
Completely disagree with your statement. I main a stamsorc and play in high mmr and I would say most of the time I top dmg and kills, deathmatch specifically - and please don't ask for proofs.
I've seen your responses in other posts, negative and pessimistic, I assume you don't like to learn and adapt? - meta/fotm player perhaps?. Nothing personal.
Also never assume what other people do and play with 0 facts.
Edit: I play PC/NA
CheersEdited by fbours on February 23, 2020 7:34AM0 -
fbours✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »BaiterOfZergs wrote: »Speaking on stam sorc, I would hardly say speed is unique to them. Maybe from a base build perspective but from a complete build perspective just about every stam class can move at the same speed if you choose to add speed to your build. Which I feel like you should since speed/mobility makes a huge difference.
The problem with stam sorc right now for me is the change to dawnbreaker ruined their in and out burst gameplay. Changes to dw didn’t help either but the dawnbreaker change was terrible for the class. Now most are just the generic d swing onslaught stam sorc.
Dw+ dawnbreaker stam sorc > D swing + onslaught stam sorc.
Shhhh, you are telling obviuos stuff, but people still believe that stam sorc is faster because streak. You can barely streak 2 or 3 times withough exhausting your resource when streaking in BGs, but people still catch up to you so fast that you are left without resource. Also, most people still believe that stam sorc combo: DW+DBS/Ost is stronger than DW+flight with major fracture as DK or DK+Sub+Ost/DBS.
I don't know why. It is true that stam sorc has reverse eclxcute passive, but that only makes it harder for you to kill target as you will be doing less dmg the more you lower you targets HP. It might work on squishy or nowibe targets but it never work on good players. Also most other classes even stamDK are better than stam sorc because of debuffs. StamDK while is almost similar to stamsorc, it has facture/breach as well as dots in its tool kit making its relaince is not as bad as sorc and having flat 8% more dmg from fracture is far better than 10% scaling down with lower HP. Stamblade might fare better than stamsorc because of their class spaambale, excute, and burst abitily as it makes them pick their weapons of choice freely.
Yep, you just proved my point. I assume you mained a stamsorc and your cookie cutter build got nerfed. I hope that you are having fun playing magplar, magsorc, stamwarden or stamdk or what ever the fotm class you think is the best right now.0 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »BaiterOfZergs wrote: »Speaking on stam sorc, I would hardly say speed is unique to them. Maybe from a base build perspective but from a complete build perspective just about every stam class can move at the same speed if you choose to add speed to your build. Which I feel like you should since speed/mobility makes a huge difference.
The problem with stam sorc right now for me is the change to dawnbreaker ruined their in and out burst gameplay. Changes to dw didn’t help either but the dawnbreaker change was terrible for the class. Now most are just the generic d swing onslaught stam sorc.
Dw+ dawnbreaker stam sorc > D swing + onslaught stam sorc.
Shhhh, you are telling obviuos stuff, but people still believe that stam sorc is faster because streak. You can barely streak 2 or 3 times withough exhausting your resource when streaking in BGs, but people still catch up to you so fast that you are left without resource. Also, most people still believe that stam sorc combo: DW+DBS/Ost is stronger than DW+flight with major fracture as DK or DK+Sub+Ost/DBS.
I don't know why. It is true that stam sorc has reverse eclxcute passive, but that only makes it harder for you to kill target as you will be doing less dmg the more you lower you targets HP. It might work on squishy or nowibe targets but it never work on good players. Also most other classes even stamDK are better than stam sorc because of debuffs. StamDK while is almost similar to stamsorc, it has facture/breach as well as dots in its tool kit making its relaince is not as bad as sorc and having flat 8% more dmg from fracture is far better than 10% scaling down with lower HP. Stamblade might fare better than stamsorc because of their class spaambale, excute, and burst abitily as it makes them pick their weapons of choice freely.
Yep, you just proved my point. I assume you mained a stamsorc and your cookie cutter build got nerfed. I hope that you are having fun playing magplar, magsorc, stamwarden or stamdk or what ever the fotm class you think is the best right now.
Wrong, i never played meta and I still main and play stamsorc
sir/miss, you just cantradicted youself by assuming what do do and don't do never that 
. All my builds are built to my liking and playstyle. Latest one of you would ask is Ancient dragongaurd, spriggon/bone pirate, bloodspawn, potato back bar bow. 5 medium.
As for my other comments you see about combat and class balance, they are purely from my exp as stam sorc for more than 4 years. Also, you might be a really good player in NA server, but I specifically mentioned EU server and its players. I excluded NA because I have no knowladge or exp about it. I don't need you to prove to me that you are a good high MMR player good sir/miss.Edited by universal_wrath on February 23, 2020 8:13AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »Littlebluelizard wrote: »
No. Simply by virtue of being a Stamina build, Stam Sorc is well above F-tier.universal_wrath wrote: »
Exactly anyone saying Stamsorc isn't good are just bad at the game. Stamsorc is one of the best classes to solo on in Cyrodiil way above than some mag specs.
They have the best speed, good damage, awesome sustain and tankiness. They can easily escape a zerg chasing them if they want to.
They may lack a bit of class skills or identity as they call it but they are in no way a bad class.
Exactly. I also don't get why people think a class spammable is a class identity. Stamsorc has an excelent identity: Speed and versitality in combat. Hurricane and Streak are definitly unique skills from sorc that you can't find in any other class.
No one will be as strong as sorc with the same mobility. Speed is actually the most OP/important part of PvP, which is one of the reasons Stamina is superior to magicka in a lot of instances.
Addiotionally, Stamsorc is not only excelent for solo, but also works wonders in groups: AoE damage, access to negate, Streak to engage/disengage, Dark Deal helps recovering while LoSing, really good burst, and so on.
I think mag sorc is faster and more verstile and even better in both group and solo play than stam sorc.
My opinion on stam sorc being as bad as magcro or maybe worse is based purely on BGs and lots of really good top players in EU servers agree that stamina sorcerer is one of the worst classes to play with in BG. Mind that if you play against nowbies and decent players you will be like Zeus to them, but once you player against top players you are just a free kill. Most stamina sorcerer mains in BGs have switched to other stamina classes and that is not because they stopped liking the classes, it is just the class was not good enough to kill or survive burst combos as other classes even if it was fast enough to run away.
So there are no good stamsorcs on PC-EU? Weird. It’s not the class, it’s PC-EU then. There are some good stamsorcs on PC-NA.
Edit - but I was just thinking, I wonder if lag plays a big part of it. Speed is one of the best defenses, but if it’s laggy it can be unreliable.
Are you high? Speed is the best defense BECAUSE if lag and server not being able to keep up with position on both sides.1 -
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✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »Littlebluelizard wrote: »
No. Simply by virtue of being a Stamina build, Stam Sorc is well above F-tier.universal_wrath wrote: »
Exactly anyone saying Stamsorc isn't good are just bad at the game. Stamsorc is one of the best classes to solo on in Cyrodiil way above than some mag specs.
They have the best speed, good damage, awesome sustain and tankiness. They can easily escape a zerg chasing them if they want to.
They may lack a bit of class skills or identity as they call it but they are in no way a bad class.
Exactly. I also don't get why people think a class spammable is a class identity. Stamsorc has an excelent identity: Speed and versitality in combat. Hurricane and Streak are definitly unique skills from sorc that you can't find in any other class.
No one will be as strong as sorc with the same mobility. Speed is actually the most OP/important part of PvP, which is one of the reasons Stamina is superior to magicka in a lot of instances.
Addiotionally, Stamsorc is not only excelent for solo, but also works wonders in groups: AoE damage, access to negate, Streak to engage/disengage, Dark Deal helps recovering while LoSing, really good burst, and so on.
I think mag sorc is faster and more verstile and even better in both group and solo play than stam sorc.
My opinion on stam sorc being as bad as magcro or maybe worse is based purely on BGs and lots of really good top players in EU servers agree that stamina sorcerer is one of the worst classes to play with in BG. Mind that if you play against nowbies and decent players you will be like Zeus to them, but once you player against top players you are just a free kill. Most stamina sorcerer mains in BGs have switched to other stamina classes and that is not because they stopped liking the classes, it is just the class was not good enough to kill or survive burst combos as other classes even if it was fast enough to run away.
So there are no good stamsorcs on PC-EU? Weird. It’s not the class, it’s PC-EU then. There are some good stamsorcs on PC-NA.
Edit - but I was just thinking, I wonder if lag plays a big part of it. Speed is one of the best defenses, but if it’s laggy it can be unreliable.
Are you high? Speed is the best defense BECAUSE if lag and server not being able to keep up with position on both sides.
I never looked at it that way, but if you sacrifice other defensive stats for speed you pay for it if someone gets a burst combo off on you.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
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StaticWave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Hi I’m a stamsorc main here. In fact I’m probably one of the very few stamsorc mains left on PC NA
While it is true that stamsorcs have unrivaled mobility and terrain traversing with streak, speed is no longer their unique advantage because most classes can easily achieve 200% sprint speed nowadays with quick cloak and medium armor. Damage on stamsorcs isn’t great because they lack a delayed burst, or a few extra class dots for pressure. The only combo that can actually pose a threat is dizzy onslaught, but that is getting a fat nerf too next patch, so offensively they’re just going further down the tier list.
The ACTUAL unique advantage that stamsorcs have right now is dark deal, and that is personally the only reason why I still play this class. The ability to instantly restore your main resources while LoSing is extremely valuable compared to heavy attacking or other passive resource sustain skills.
I think stamsorc is a great spec for solo PvP in Cyrodiil, but other than that you’re better off using another class like dk or warden.Edited by StaticWave on February 23, 2020 6:10PMPlatform:
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✭Stamden has class accessibility to:
Purge (free btw)
Reduced snares
Minor Berserk
Minor Protection
Minor Vulnerability
Major Brutality
Major Expedition
Major Fracture
Major Heroism + Absorb Range attacks
Major Mending
Major Resolve
You end up running a few Magicka skills but its worth it.
honestly the free purge is really dumb.
it's such a braindead ability that rewards a player way too much for just keeping a buff up they'd otherwise have up anyway. at least before you had to think about using the netch, now it's just keep your buffs up and rip dk dots or fracture or whatever. so, so dumb. having some classes with dots or other debuffs reduced to basically just dizzy is dumbing down combat way too much. at least templars with their OP purge+5 other things have to think about using it.Gryphon Heart
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Solace1981✭✭✭Stamden has class accessibility to:
Purge (free btw)
Reduced snares
Minor Berserk
Minor Protection
Minor Vulnerability
Major Brutality
Major Expedition
Major Fracture
Major Heroism + Absorb Range attacks
Major Mending
Major Resolve
You end up running a few Magicka skills but its worth it.
honestly the free purge is really dumb.
it's such a braindead ability that rewards a player way too much for just keeping a buff up they'd otherwise have up anyway. at least before you had to think about using the netch, now it's just keep your buffs up and rip dk dots or fracture or whatever. so, so dumb. having some classes with dots or other debuffs reduced to basically just dizzy is dumbing down combat way too much. at least templars with their OP purge+5 other things have to think about using it.
You do realize it only removes 1 negative effect every 5 seconds right? Unless you spam it to remove 1 negative effect at a time. Good luck doing that fighting someone.2 -
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✭✭✭From a BG perspective:
Patch has changed more than I thought it would, I’m not sure why. All stamina seem to be doing well, and I’m seeing long time mag players on stam toons. Out of mag MagWarden and magsorcs seem to be the only competitive ones.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
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Solace1981✭✭✭From a BG perspective:
Patch has changed more than I thought it would, I’m not sure why. All stamina seem to be doing well, and I’m seeing long time mag players on stam toons. Out of mag MagWarden and magsorcs seem to be the only competitive ones.
Stam power creep is real. Get on ESO build editor and put together a mag setup and stam setup. Even a full glass cannon mag setup and you won't come close to the dmg stam can put out. It's honestly quite ridiculous. I can make 8k weapon dmg builds, even tho not realistic UNLESS you run it in a group. You can maybe reach 5.5k spell damage on a full glass mag setup. I don't get it. I play stam and mag and honestly enjoy mag more but my mag toons will be benched this patch for pvp.3 -
evoniee✭✭✭✭i dont really know, but the bottom are stamnb and stamsorc, especially in 1v1 no run / kite.Edited by evoniee on February 28, 2020 4:45AM1 -
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✭✭Necro > warden > dk > templar > sorc > nb
Templar counters dk 1v1, but overall i think dk is better.
Stamplar is also pretty weak in no cp. Day and night if you play stamplar in cp then go to no cp.Edited by MaxJrFTW on February 28, 2020 6:33AM"I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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Thraben✭✭✭✭✭Littlebluelizard wrote: »
Exactly. I also don't get why people think a class spammable is a class identity. Stamsorc has an excelent identity: Speed and versitality in combat. Hurricane and Streak are definitly unique skills from sorc that you can't find in any other class.
No one will be as strong as sorc with the same mobility. Speed is actually the most OP/important part of PvP, which is one of the reasons Stamina is superior to magicka in a lot of instances.
Addiotionally, Stamsorc is not only excelent for solo, but also works wonders in groups: AoE damage, access to negate, Streak to engage/disengage, Dark Deal helps recovering while LoSing, really good burst, and so on.
StamSorcs have replaced in groups by both Stamcros and Stamwardens for a reason (or 2 or 3). Whenever I play mine in groups, hardly 20 minutes pass before I'm starting to think "Damn, if I was on my Stamden I could have performed SO much better". Stamcros and Stamdens can carry, Stemplars can kill, and the other 3 Stamclasses can be used as harmonybots, if nothing else.
Solo they need to really work for the kill, but, true enough, their mobility makes them very survivable.
In duells they perform well, though.
Edited by Thraben on February 28, 2020 12:46PMHauptmann der Dolche des Königs
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BaiterOfZergs✭✭✭✭✭Necro > warden > dk > templar > sorc > nb
Templar counters dk 1v1, but overall i think dk is better.
Stamplar is also pretty weak in no cp. Day and night if you play stamplar in cp then go to no cp.
Stamplars are far from weak in no cp. Only case they would feel weak is if someone tries to build with low sustain.
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Nevasca✭✭✭✭✭Littlebluelizard wrote: »
Exactly. I also don't get why people think a class spammable is a class identity. Stamsorc has an excelent identity: Speed and versitality in combat. Hurricane and Streak are definitly unique skills from sorc that you can't find in any other class.
No one will be as strong as sorc with the same mobility. Speed is actually the most OP/important part of PvP, which is one of the reasons Stamina is superior to magicka in a lot of instances.
Addiotionally, Stamsorc is not only excelent for solo, but also works wonders in groups: AoE damage, access to negate, Streak to engage/disengage, Dark Deal helps recovering while LoSing, really good burst, and so on.
StamSorcs have replaced in groups by both Stamcros and Stamwardens for a reason (or 2 or 3). Whenever I play mine in groups, hardly 20 minutes pass before I'm starting to think "Damn, if I was on my Stamden I could have performed SO much better". Stamcros and Stamdens can carry, Stemplars can kill, and the other 3 Stamclasses can be used as harmonybots, if nothing else.
Solo they need to really work for the kill, but, true enough, their mobility makes them very survivable.
In duells they perform well, though.
Yeah I agree, I just don't think the gap is that huge on the high end. StamSorc has a huge skill ceiling, and I think the issue is that you need to be a much better player to perform as well on stamsorc while a decent/good player on stamden can be on equal level with an excelent stamsorc player.
I am comparing stamsorc to stamNB though, which is really really bad atm unless you're fighting bad players, so maybe that's why my perspective on it is more positive than it should be.
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