Strongest PVP StamClass Feb 2020

joseayalac

State your opinion on the best class. Feel free to comment on your pick.

BaiterOfZergs

Overall it’s going to come down to stamcro, stamplar and stamden. If it was pure solo then the top is very debatable, think stam sorc the only iffy one.

MartiniDaniels

BaiterOfZergs wrote: »

Overall it’s going to come down to stamcro, stamplar and stamden. If it was pure solo then the top is very debatable, think stam sorc the only iffy one.

I have no idea why people and even well-known youtubers place stamDK as top spec. Kristofer placed stamDK higher then stamden and stamplar. Why??? I really don't understand. I played stamDK and stamplar a lot in U24, there is chasm between them. Stamplar has it all - delayed burst, "best purge", best spammable, gap closer+stun (easily blocked but still better then shield charge). While stamDK... no delayed burst, no spammable, leap is lol against those who knows how to block... basically only fossilize and battle roar look like advantages. Stamplar has minor mending+minor protection with virtually 100% uptime vs major mending <50% uptime.

BaiterOfZergs

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

BaiterOfZergs wrote: »

Overall it’s going to come down to stamcro, stamplar and stamden. If it was pure solo then the top is very debatable, think stam sorc the only iffy one.

I have no idea why people and even well-known youtubers place stamDK as top spec. Kristofer placed stamDK higher then stamden and stamplar. Why??? I really don't understand. I played stamDK and stamplar a lot in U24, there is chasm between them. Stamplar has it all - delayed burst, "best purge", best spammable, gap closer+stun (easily blocked but still better then shield charge). While stamDK... no delayed burst, no spammable, leap is lol against those who knows how to block... basically only fossilize and battle roar look like advantages. Stamplar has minor mending+minor protection with virtually 100% uptime vs major mending <50% uptime.

It’s because for solo play stam dk is good, especially good in a tanky meta that favors their playstyle. High heals, natural tanky build, sustain and leap is the perfect potato killer that can get high numbers.

Note: While stamplar has a high uptime on minor mending you also have to factor in the multitude of healing dks get from passives. Stam dk the only class I know that can legit tank with 700-800 regen and then turn around and burst someone.

I prefer stamplar out of all of them but I’ve played them all except necro, really comes down to your playstyle and for me I prefer a high paced stamplar for solo play, followed by stam sorc and stamden. Think with stamplar you have to be really precise and on point, and you’re only as good as your ability to be offensive. While the other classes can taunt/bait people by going defensive. Stamden, stamdk and stamcro really favor the tank & spank playstyle.

So choosing is really answering if you want to be a tanky brawler or a up paced warrior? And right now many people prefer the tanky brawler. But again I don’t think you can go wrong with any of them for SOLO play, I just really hate the dawnbreaker change for stam sorc. Feels disgusting.

MartiniDaniels

BaiterOfZergs wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

BaiterOfZergs wrote: »

Overall it’s going to come down to stamcro, stamplar and stamden. If it was pure solo then the top is very debatable, think stam sorc the only iffy one.

I have no idea why people and even well-known youtubers place stamDK as top spec. Kristofer placed stamDK higher then stamden and stamplar. Why??? I really don't understand. I played stamDK and stamplar a lot in U24, there is chasm between them. Stamplar has it all - delayed burst, "best purge", best spammable, gap closer+stun (easily blocked but still better then shield charge). While stamDK... no delayed burst, no spammable, leap is lol against those who knows how to block... basically only fossilize and battle roar look like advantages. Stamplar has minor mending+minor protection with virtually 100% uptime vs major mending <50% uptime.

It’s because for solo play stam dk is good, especially good in a tanky meta that favors their playstyle. High heals, natural tanky build, sustain and leap is the perfect potato killer that can get high numbers.

Note: While stamplar has a high uptime on minor mending you also have to factor in the multitude of healing dks get from passives. Stam dk the only class I know that can legit tank with 700-800 regen and then turn around and burst someone.

I prefer stamplar out of all of them but I’ve played them all except necro, really comes down to your playstyle and for me I prefer a high paced stamplar for solo play, followed by stam sorc and stamden. Think with stamplar you have to be really precise and on point, and you’re only as good as your ability to be offensive. While the other classes can taunt/bait people by going defensive. Stamden, stamdk and stamcro really favor the tank & spank playstyle.

So choosing is really answering if you want to be a tanky brawler or a up paced warrior? And right now many people prefer the tanky brawler. But again I don’t think you can go wrong with any of them for SOLO play, I just really hate the dawnbreaker change for stam sorc. Feels disgusting.

Yep, leap is perfect against somebody w/o crit resists, low HP etc, so with assault passive and BS and nord DK can leap and leap and leap, but Leap is powerless against majority of meta PVP builds. What leap can do to typical 30k resistances+, 6k WD+, S&B, 3000 crit resistance+ build? 10k on unblocked crit max. So it requires some miracle like opponent will do nothing and just look on dizzy - dizzy into heavy attack -> leap -> execute. Majority of current builds can safely block heal from 20% HP if they won't be caught by unbreakable cc.
So it's all about hoping that game will lag or glitch or de-sync... under normal conditions that leap can be shrugged off.

Rahar

It was really just a choice between sDk and sDen, and I chose the latter because they have a generally better kit and far scarier burst.

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

BaiterOfZergs wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

BaiterOfZergs wrote: »

Overall it’s going to come down to stamcro, stamplar and stamden. If it was pure solo then the top is very debatable, think stam sorc the only iffy one.

I have no idea why people and even well-known youtubers place stamDK as top spec. Kristofer placed stamDK higher then stamden and stamplar. Why??? I really don't understand. I played stamDK and stamplar a lot in U24, there is chasm between them. Stamplar has it all - delayed burst, "best purge", best spammable, gap closer+stun (easily blocked but still better then shield charge). While stamDK... no delayed burst, no spammable, leap is lol against those who knows how to block... basically only fossilize and battle roar look like advantages. Stamplar has minor mending+minor protection with virtually 100% uptime vs major mending <50% uptime.

It’s because for solo play stam dk is good, especially good in a tanky meta that favors their playstyle. High heals, natural tanky build, sustain and leap is the perfect potato killer that can get high numbers.

Note: While stamplar has a high uptime on minor mending you also have to factor in the multitude of healing dks get from passives. Stam dk the only class I know that can legit tank with 700-800 regen and then turn around and burst someone.

I prefer stamplar out of all of them but I’ve played them all except necro, really comes down to your playstyle and for me I prefer a high paced stamplar for solo play, followed by stam sorc and stamden. Think with stamplar you have to be really precise and on point, and you’re only as good as your ability to be offensive. While the other classes can taunt/bait people by going defensive. Stamden, stamdk and stamcro really favor the tank & spank playstyle.

So choosing is really answering if you want to be a tanky brawler or a up paced warrior? And right now many people prefer the tanky brawler. But again I don’t think you can go wrong with any of them for SOLO play, I just really hate the dawnbreaker change for stam sorc. Feels disgusting.

Yep, leap is perfect against somebody w/o crit resists, low HP etc, so with assault passive and BS and nord DK can leap and leap and leap, but Leap is powerless against majority of meta PVP builds. What leap can do to typical 30k resistances+, 6k WD+, S&B, 3000 crit resistance+ build? 10k on unblocked crit max. So it requires some miracle like opponent will do nothing and just look on dizzy - dizzy into heavy attack -> leap -> execute. Majority of current builds can safely block heal from 20% HP if they won't be caught by unbreakable cc.
So it's all about hoping that game will lag or glitch or de-sync... under normal conditions that leap can be shrugged off.

No one can really do anything about those high resist stam builds unless you're in a group or running one yourself. I don't even get frags to do 5k to them most of the time.

What makes sDK so strong right now (in my opinion) is battle roar enabling solo play with ~1k regen + full damage sets and infused jewelry, no travel time on leap at a close range (and it still has the knockback CC, allowing followup damage since break free is delayed), extremely good mitigation while blocking, high major mending uptime, and 2h covering for all the weaknesses the class might otherwise have.

BaiterOfZergs

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

BaiterOfZergs wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

BaiterOfZergs wrote: »

Overall it’s going to come down to stamcro, stamplar and stamden. If it was pure solo then the top is very debatable, think stam sorc the only iffy one.

I have no idea why people and even well-known youtubers place stamDK as top spec. Kristofer placed stamDK higher then stamden and stamplar. Why??? I really don't understand. I played stamDK and stamplar a lot in U24, there is chasm between them. Stamplar has it all - delayed burst, "best purge", best spammable, gap closer+stun (easily blocked but still better then shield charge). While stamDK... no delayed burst, no spammable, leap is lol against those who knows how to block... basically only fossilize and battle roar look like advantages. Stamplar has minor mending+minor protection with virtually 100% uptime vs major mending <50% uptime.

It’s because for solo play stam dk is good, especially good in a tanky meta that favors their playstyle. High heals, natural tanky build, sustain and leap is the perfect potato killer that can get high numbers.

Note: While stamplar has a high uptime on minor mending you also have to factor in the multitude of healing dks get from passives. Stam dk the only class I know that can legit tank with 700-800 regen and then turn around and burst someone.

I prefer stamplar out of all of them but I’ve played them all except necro, really comes down to your playstyle and for me I prefer a high paced stamplar for solo play, followed by stam sorc and stamden. Think with stamplar you have to be really precise and on point, and you’re only as good as your ability to be offensive. While the other classes can taunt/bait people by going defensive. Stamden, stamdk and stamcro really favor the tank & spank playstyle.

So choosing is really answering if you want to be a tanky brawler or a up paced warrior? And right now many people prefer the tanky brawler. But again I don’t think you can go wrong with any of them for SOLO play, I just really hate the dawnbreaker change for stam sorc. Feels disgusting.

Yep, leap is perfect against somebody w/o crit resists, low HP etc, so with assault passive and BS and nord DK can leap and leap and leap, but Leap is powerless against majority of meta PVP builds. What leap can do to typical 30k resistances+, 6k WD+, S&B, 3000 crit resistance+ build? 10k on unblocked crit max. So it requires some miracle like opponent will do nothing and just look on dizzy - dizzy into heavy attack -> leap -> execute. Majority of current builds can safely block heal from 20% HP if they won't be caught by unbreakable cc.
So it's all about hoping that game will lag or glitch or de-sync... under normal conditions that leap can be shrugged off.

As it was already mentioned you really can’t do anything against that, just a stall fest. However, playing solo you’re unlikely to be fighting those type of builds regularly. The average player isn’t built like that, meta chasers are.

EdoKeledus

Stamcro combo is very powerful I started this class two weeks ago and I'm impressed, and stamcro will be stronger with the blastbones fix.

About survivability Stamcro has a lot of damage mitigation and healing power this is just insane. Sustain is pretty good too thanks to undead confederate.

Urzigurumash

It might be a better question to ask which is the best Bow backbar class, which is the best S&B backbar class. In years past I would say this correlates well with best medium armor class, best heavy armor class, but the proliferation of unnamed resistance buffs and percentile damage reduction obscures the line between the armor weights.

Udrath

They're all strong but I choose warden cause of shimmering shield, great burst damage, mobility, awesome sustain and on top of it all they can wear a lot of different sets.

Stamblade bow builds otherwise since they have the easiest rotation!

technohic

Went Stamden but what I find interesting is when I look at it, NB really does feel like its the weakest link on stam. Its not awful but it feels like the meta just doesnt fit along with being on the wrong end of the nerf hammer.

MaxJrFTW

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

BaiterOfZergs wrote: »

Overall it’s going to come down to stamcro, stamplar and stamden. If it was pure solo then the top is very debatable, think stam sorc the only iffy one.

I have no idea why people and even well-known youtubers place stamDK as top spec.

Stamdk is the best 1v1 class, and the best or 2nd best for 1vX. I believe that is why.

Davadin

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

BaiterOfZergs wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

BaiterOfZergs wrote: »

Overall it’s going to come down to stamcro, stamplar and stamden. If it was pure solo then the top is very debatable, think stam sorc the only iffy one.

I have no idea why people and even well-known youtubers place stamDK as top spec. Kristofer placed stamDK higher then stamden and stamplar. Why??? I really don't understand. I played stamDK and stamplar a lot in U24, there is chasm between them. Stamplar has it all - delayed burst, "best purge", best spammable, gap closer+stun (easily blocked but still better then shield charge). While stamDK... no delayed burst, no spammable, leap is lol against those who knows how to block... basically only fossilize and battle roar look like advantages. Stamplar has minor mending+minor protection with virtually 100% uptime vs major mending <50% uptime.

It’s because for solo play stam dk is good, especially good in a tanky meta that favors their playstyle. High heals, natural tanky build, sustain and leap is the perfect potato killer that can get high numbers.

Note: While stamplar has a high uptime on minor mending you also have to factor in the multitude of healing dks get from passives. Stam dk the only class I know that can legit tank with 700-800 regen and then turn around and burst someone.

I prefer stamplar out of all of them but I’ve played them all except necro, really comes down to your playstyle and for me I prefer a high paced stamplar for solo play, followed by stam sorc and stamden. Think with stamplar you have to be really precise and on point, and you’re only as good as your ability to be offensive. While the other classes can taunt/bait people by going defensive. Stamden, stamdk and stamcro really favor the tank & spank playstyle.

So choosing is really answering if you want to be a tanky brawler or a up paced warrior? And right now many people prefer the tanky brawler. But again I don’t think you can go wrong with any of them for SOLO play, I just really hate the dawnbreaker change for stam sorc. Feels disgusting.

Yep, leap is perfect against somebody w/o crit resists, low HP etc, so with assault passive and BS and nord DK can leap and leap and leap, but Leap is powerless against majority of meta PVP builds. What leap can do to typical 30k resistances+, 6k WD+, S&B, 3000 crit resistance+ build? 10k on unblocked crit max. So it requires some miracle like opponent will do nothing and just look on dizzy - dizzy into heavy attack -> leap -> execute. Majority of current builds can safely block heal from 20% HP if they won't be caught by unbreakable cc.
So it's all about hoping that game will lag or glitch or de-sync... under normal conditions that leap can be shrugged off.

I'm a stamdk main and I'm all for buffing this poor class that's now lost its identity, k class spammable, med damage, jack of all but master of none....

.... but if you think leap can be shrugged off by majority of Cyro players... think again.

as part of a combo, it's a dangerous skill.

butterrum222

Stamblade will always be the strongest as long as I’m playing it

MartiniDaniels

Davadin wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

BaiterOfZergs wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

BaiterOfZergs wrote: »

Overall it’s going to come down to stamcro, stamplar and stamden. If it was pure solo then the top is very debatable, think stam sorc the only iffy one.

I have no idea why people and even well-known youtubers place stamDK as top spec. Kristofer placed stamDK higher then stamden and stamplar. Why??? I really don't understand. I played stamDK and stamplar a lot in U24, there is chasm between them. Stamplar has it all - delayed burst, "best purge", best spammable, gap closer+stun (easily blocked but still better then shield charge). While stamDK... no delayed burst, no spammable, leap is lol against those who knows how to block... basically only fossilize and battle roar look like advantages. Stamplar has minor mending+minor protection with virtually 100% uptime vs major mending <50% uptime.

It’s because for solo play stam dk is good, especially good in a tanky meta that favors their playstyle. High heals, natural tanky build, sustain and leap is the perfect potato killer that can get high numbers.

Note: While stamplar has a high uptime on minor mending you also have to factor in the multitude of healing dks get from passives. Stam dk the only class I know that can legit tank with 700-800 regen and then turn around and burst someone.

I prefer stamplar out of all of them but I’ve played them all except necro, really comes down to your playstyle and for me I prefer a high paced stamplar for solo play, followed by stam sorc and stamden. Think with stamplar you have to be really precise and on point, and you’re only as good as your ability to be offensive. While the other classes can taunt/bait people by going defensive. Stamden, stamdk and stamcro really favor the tank & spank playstyle.

So choosing is really answering if you want to be a tanky brawler or a up paced warrior? And right now many people prefer the tanky brawler. But again I don’t think you can go wrong with any of them for SOLO play, I just really hate the dawnbreaker change for stam sorc. Feels disgusting.

Yep, leap is perfect against somebody w/o crit resists, low HP etc, so with assault passive and BS and nord DK can leap and leap and leap, but Leap is powerless against majority of meta PVP builds. What leap can do to typical 30k resistances+, 6k WD+, S&B, 3000 crit resistance+ build? 10k on unblocked crit max. So it requires some miracle like opponent will do nothing and just look on dizzy - dizzy into heavy attack -> leap -> execute. Majority of current builds can safely block heal from 20% HP if they won't be caught by unbreakable cc.
So it's all about hoping that game will lag or glitch or de-sync... under normal conditions that leap can be shrugged off.

I'm a stamdk main and I'm all for buffing this poor class that's now lost its identity, k class spammable, med damage, jack of all but master of none....

.... but if you think leap can be shrugged off by majority of Cyro players... think again.

as part of a combo, it's a dangerous skill.

I didn't said "majority of Cyro players", I mean more or less experienced PVP-ers with U24 meta build. In comparison to U22 and U23 where high dps stamDK will dot you up and then leap on top of that pressure and just evaporate you if you won't be actively counteracting this, U24 DK is just a bleak shadow. But this is mostly from point of stamplar and stamDK, which I played myself a lot. I agree that DK is awesome against magsorcs and given that other magclasses with exception of magplar are generally weak against stamina... there is plenty of targets on whom DK may rock. But any meeting with magplar/stamplar or stamden and you feel like class lacks that delayed burst, which warden and templar have. So when somebody who I know as not biased, like Kristofer, puts stamDK higher then stamplar and stamden, I really don't understand why.

Rhaegar75

I don't really get how stamcro is in second place. What are their strengths besides spamming Dizzy?

Any good stamcro build without overreliance on DS?

technohic

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

I don't really get how stamcro is in second place. What are their strengths besides spamming Dizzy?

Any good stamcro build without overreliance on DS?

I'm trying to figure out the build secret sauce but the ones I see survive a long time turtled up not spamming anything then turn and AOE burst huge swaths of PUGs. Probably not something I'd call best overall, but pretty powerful. if no adjustments are made on PTS you'll have a claim there but right now, it's that niche but I heard one actually won a dueling tournament so, I dont know

Rhaegar75

technohic wrote: »

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

I don't really get how stamcro is in second place. What are their strengths besides spamming Dizzy?

Any good stamcro build without overreliance on DS?

I'm trying to figure out the build secret sauce but the ones I see survive a long time turtled up not spamming anything then turn and AOE burst huge swaths of PUGs. Probably not something I'd call best overall, but pretty powerful. if no adjustments are made on PTS you'll have a claim there but right now, it's that niche but I heard one actually won a dueling tournament so, I dont know

yep that was exactly my take on StamCros

AMeanOne

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

I don't really get how stamcro is in second place. What are their strengths besides spamming Dizzy?

Any good stamcro build without overreliance on DS?

I think you're looking for a stamplar build.

Iskiab

technohic wrote: »

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

I don't really get how stamcro is in second place. What are their strengths besides spamming Dizzy?

Any good stamcro build without overreliance on DS?

I'm trying to figure out the build secret sauce but the ones I see survive a long time turtled up not spamming anything then turn and AOE burst huge swaths of PUGs. Probably not something I'd call best overall, but pretty powerful. if no adjustments are made on PTS you'll have a claim there but right now, it's that niche but I heard one actually won a dueling tournament so, I dont know

Why wouldn’t you use dizzy? It’s the 2nd best spammable in the game and cannot be reduced by a buff of any kind unlike frags, sweeps/jabs or snipe.

Basicly use the 10% damage reduction pet, keep defile up, play like any other stamina. You’re already a stamina + tankier then other classes plus easier major defile.

All stamina is basicly the same: dizzy + onslaught + rally + resolving vigor. S&B’s good too because NB’s in the crapper so you don’t need to worry about fears that much, almost never see turn evil from solo players or in BGs.

BaiterOfZergs

technohic wrote: »

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

I don't really get how stamcro is in second place. What are their strengths besides spamming Dizzy?

Any good stamcro build without overreliance on DS?

I'm trying to figure out the build secret sauce but the ones I see survive a long time turtled up not spamming anything then turn and AOE burst huge swaths of PUGs. Probably not something I'd call best overall, but pretty powerful. if no adjustments are made on PTS you'll have a claim there but right now, it's that niche but I heard one actually won a dueling tournament so, I dont know

Stamcros are pretty much in the same position stam warden was in months after Morrowind. While good not so many people knew how to play them outside of bgs.

technohic

BaiterOfZergs wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

I don't really get how stamcro is in second place. What are their strengths besides spamming Dizzy?

Any good stamcro build without overreliance on DS?

I'm trying to figure out the build secret sauce but the ones I see survive a long time turtled up not spamming anything then turn and AOE burst huge swaths of PUGs. Probably not something I'd call best overall, but pretty powerful. if no adjustments are made on PTS you'll have a claim there but right now, it's that niche but I heard one actually won a dueling tournament so, I dont know

Stamcros are pretty much in the same position stam warden was in months after Morrowind. While good not so many people knew how to play them outside of bgs.

Yeah I just know not to stand in any circles near them no matter what spec they are.

goldenarcher1

Stamcro?

SRASinister

I would put Stamplar and Stamcro at the top, and just below that Stamden. StamDK would be right below that one then. StamSorc would be below that a little further, and then at the bottom would be Stamblade.

Ragnaroek93

I remember when people said that Nb is in it's strongest spot since ever because they got some mitigation on Grim Focus to "compensate" all the nerfs. This didn't age well

Davekinn

What do stamdens excel at?

technohic

Davekinn wrote: »

What do stamdens excel at?

Buffs, best ranged defense, AOE burst, passive cleanse, burst stam heal, easy major mending.

I mean it gets really dishonest when people throw things around about classes. Templar lacks the burst heal, major mending, and ranged defense, but has the best spammable in game, 5 effect cleanse with a great HOT.

nublife01

stamcro actually is by far the best stam class and its getting buffed even further because plebs qq'd instead of learning how to use blastbones.

nublife01

accurate tier list:
s tier) stamcro
a tier) stamdk stamden
b tier) stamplar stamsorc
c tier) stamblade
d tier) none
f tier) none

Destyran

Stam Necro > Stam templar > Stam warden

Destyran

technohic wrote: »

Rhaegar75 wrote: »

I don't really get how stamcro is in second place. What are their strengths besides spamming Dizzy?

Any good stamcro build without overreliance on DS?

I'm trying to figure out the build secret sauce but the ones I see survive a long time turtled up not spamming anything then turn and AOE burst huge swaths of PUGs. Probably not something I'd call best overall, but pretty powerful. if no adjustments are made on PTS you'll have a claim there but right now, it's that niche but I heard one actually won a dueling tournament so, I dont know

It’s literally Fury/NMA Fury/Spriggans don’t forget BRP daggers