LukosCreyden wrote: »So... is this a bad time to try out Magblade for a PvP build? Always liked that "Blood Mage" aesthetic...
Czekoludek wrote: »I don't think they will ever give a stealth class a burst heal cause that could be pretty broken with the ability to already reset the fight and adding a spammable burst heal I'm guessing you guys are imagining like the templar breath of life or pet heal on magsorc, they definitely could increase the heals they have though on hots though with the new dmg mitigation
Solution for that is pretty easy, give NB reliable burst heal for other morph of cloak. So you can have burst heal OR invisibility. Easy peasy
The price nb pays for having cloak and shadow image in current forms.
Czekoludek wrote: »I don't think they will ever give a stealth class a burst heal cause that could be pretty broken with the ability to already reset the fight and adding a spammable burst heal I'm guessing you guys are imagining like the templar breath of life or pet heal on magsorc, they definitely could increase the heals they have though on hots though with the new dmg mitigation
Solution for that is pretty easy, give NB reliable burst heal for other morph of cloak. So you can have burst heal OR invisibility. Easy peasy
They stated when the changed dark cloak to its current state that it was changed to give less of a burst heal and create more of a hot with it so that would be going back on what they just did and said in doing so.
Czekoludek wrote: »Czekoludek wrote: »I don't think they will ever give a stealth class a burst heal cause that could be pretty broken with the ability to already reset the fight and adding a spammable burst heal I'm guessing you guys are imagining like the templar breath of life or pet heal on magsorc, they definitely could increase the heals they have though on hots though with the new dmg mitigation
Solution for that is pretty easy, give NB reliable burst heal for other morph of cloak. So you can have burst heal OR invisibility. Easy peasy
They stated when the changed dark cloak to its current state that it was changed to give less of a burst heal and create more of a hot with it so that would be going back on what they just did and said in doing so.
They also said that buffing dots by 60% is okay, just to nerf it to the ground next patch. Remember that competence of current combat team is... to put it nicely, mediocre.
killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »The price nb pays for having cloak and shadow image in current forms.
Cloak is and always will be a L2P issue,the game is full of counters for it,shadow image got some nerf aswell.
The only price NB pay is be a class that kill bad player easily,which every class can do aswell but "ClOaK!1!1!"
killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »The price nb pays for having cloak and shadow image in current forms.
Cloak is and always will be a L2P issue,the game is full of counters for it,shadow image got some nerf aswell.
The only price NB pay is be a class that kill bad player easily,which every class can do aswell but "ClOaK!1!1!"
This half baked argument again. I could use the same level of eloquence and counterargue that not knowing how to avoid those cloak counters is l2p issue because most of those counters is weak and easily avoidable with proper gameplay. We could continue that discussion endlessly because reality is that cloak and shade (plus dodge roll on stam) can create extremly strong synergy but can be also pretty lackluster based on multiple factors. Stealth playstyle in ESO is simply a bad design because ability to disengage from fight on demand is extremly strong feature in MMO games and ZoS always had issues to build a class properly around it without making it too strong or too weak. Currently when it works it works too good so it was obvious at some point ZoS will start to take away some tools from nightblades.
BalticBlues wrote: »NB still is the most powerful PvP class.
During the current Midyear Mayhem, Bomber Teams of only 2 NBs
are taking out any groups having to stand on flags to take camps and keeps.
There is no counter, even if you know what can happen.
due to the combination of "cloak", "vicious death", "distance detonation" [...] and "sap essence".
Especially if there is a guy in light armor, this means "game over" for all people in a group.
There needs to be a cost increase on Cloak, as there is one on Streak.
Moreover, Light Armor needs to get buffed to be on par with Heavy Armor again.
Even with 2 shields up, no Light Armor guy can survive a Two-NB-Bomber attack.
BalticBlues wrote: »NB still is the most powerful PvP class.
During the current Midyear Mayhem, Bomber Teams of only 2 NBs
are taking out any groups having to stand on flags to take camps and keeps.
There is no counter, even if you know what can happen.
due to the combination of "cloak", "vicious death", "distance detonation" [...] and "sap essence".
Especially if there is a guy in light armor, this means "game over" for all people in a group.
There needs to be a cost increase on Cloak, as there is one on Streak.
Moreover, Light Armor needs to get buffed to be on par with Heavy Armor again.
Even with 2 shields up, no Light Armor guy can survive a Two-NB-Bomber attack.
Been playing nb 4 years now since eso came to PS4 unfortunately nb all I care to play it’s what I enjoy.Strider__Roshin wrote: »Nightblades are just such a gutted class. Compare them to wardens and you'll see that they're weaker offensively, defensively, and when it comes to utility. Nightblades are a terrible class, and if that's your main I would suggest rerolling or play a different game.
BalticBlues wrote: »NB still is the most powerful PvP class.
During the current Midyear Mayhem, Bomber Teams of only 2 NBs
are taking out any groups having to stand on flags to take camps and keeps.
There is no counter, even if you know what can happen.
due to the combination of "cloak", "vicious death", "distance detonation" [...] and "sap essence".
Especially if there is a guy in light armor, this means "game over" for all people in a group.
There needs to be a cost increase on Cloak, as there is one on Streak.
Moreover, Light Armor needs to get buffed to be on par with Heavy Armor again.
Even with 2 shields up, no Light Armor guy can survive a Two-NB-Bomber attack.
killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »The price nb pays for having cloak and shadow image in current forms.
Cloak is and always will be a L2P issue,the game is full of counters for it,shadow image got some nerf aswell.
The only price NB pay is be a class that kill bad player easily,which every class can do aswell but "ClOaK!1!1!"
This half baked argument again. I could use the same level of eloquence and counterargue that not knowing how to avoid those cloak counters is l2p issue because most of those counters is weak and easily avoidable with proper gameplay. We could continue that discussion endlessly because reality is that cloak and shade (plus dodge roll on stam) can create extremly strong synergy but can be also pretty lackluster based on multiple factors. Stealth playstyle in ESO is simply a bad design because ability to disengage from fight on demand is extremly strong feature in MMO games and ZoS always had issues to build a class properly around it without making it too strong or too weak. Currently when it works it works too good so it was obvious at some point ZoS will start to take away some tools from nightblades.
BalticBlues wrote: »NB still is the most powerful PvP class.
During the current Midyear Mayhem, Bomber Teams of only 2 NBs
are taking out any groups having to stand on flags to take camps and keeps.
There is no counter, even if you know what can happen.
due to the combination of "cloak", "vicious death", "distance detonation" [...] and "sap essence".
Especially if there is a guy in light armor, this means "game over" for all people in a group.
There needs to be a cost increase on Cloak, as there is one on Streak.
Moreover, Light Armor needs to get buffed to be on par with Heavy Armor again.
Even with 2 shields up, no Light Armor guy can survive a Two-NB-Bomber attack.
brandonv516 wrote: »Strider__Roshin wrote: »There are builds that will make you powerful, but you'd be even more powerful if you were using a Warden.
Every build you make on a nb, will be more powerful on any other class. NB atm lacks everything except sustain.
I mean, throw Caluurion on a magblade and no class can match up with it. It sucks that you gotta cheese on a nb to make it work, but damn if one shotting 90% of the player base doesn't feel amazing.
This. It's literally the only reason I'm still doing so well.
Flame Clench procs Caluurions which I can follow with Spectral Bow. Both are nearly guaranteed to hit at a closer range because of the knockback.
The downside is I don't really have an effective ultimate to add to the mix. Meteor will get blocked, the knockback from Flame Clench makes Soul Tether and Soul Harvest redundant, and Soul Assault is silly and too expensive.
killingspreeb16_ESO wrote: »The price nb pays for having cloak and shadow image in current forms.
Cloak is and always will be a L2P issue,the game is full of counters for it,shadow image got some nerf aswell.
The only price NB pay is be a class that kill bad player easily,which every class can do aswell but "ClOaK!1!1!"
This half baked argument again. I could use the same level of eloquence and counterargue that not knowing how to avoid those cloak counters is l2p issue because most of those counters is weak and easily avoidable with proper gameplay. We could continue that discussion endlessly because reality is that cloak and shade (plus dodge roll on stam) can create extremly strong synergy but can be also pretty lackluster based on multiple factors. Stealth playstyle in ESO is simply a bad design because ability to disengage from fight on demand is extremly strong feature in MMO games and ZoS always had issues to build a class properly around it without making it too strong or too weak. Currently when it works it works too good so it was obvious at some point ZoS will start to take away some tools from nightblades.
BalticBlues wrote: »NB still is the most powerful PvP class.
During the current Midyear Mayhem, Bomber Teams of only 2 NBs
are taking out any groups having to stand on flags to take camps and keeps.
There is no counter, even if you know what can happen.
due to the combination of "cloak", "vicious death", "distance detonation" [...] and "sap essence".
Especially if there is a guy in light armor, this means "game over" for all people in a group.
There needs to be a cost increase on Cloak, as there is one on Streak.
Moreover, Light Armor needs to get buffed to be on par with Heavy Armor again.
Even with 2 shields up, no Light Armor guy can survive a Two-NB-Bomber attack.
I play MagBlade for years, and the ability to start and end fights at willThis post is full of L2P. Do yourself a favour, if you think magblade is OP stop being a hypocrite and start playing one.
It was god mode until people learnt how to pay attention to the cues and starting using cloak counters. In other words, the skill was good against unskilled enemies.BalticBlues wrote: »BalticBlues wrote: »NB still is the most powerful PvP class.
During the current Midyear Mayhem, Bomber Teams of only 2 NBs
are taking out any groups having to stand on flags to take camps and keeps.
There is no counter, even if you know what can happen.
due to the combination of "cloak", "vicious death", "distance detonation" [...] and "sap essence".
Especially if there is a guy in light armor, this means "game over" for all people in a group.
There needs to be a cost increase on Cloak, as there is one on Streak.
Moreover, Light Armor needs to get buffed to be on par with Heavy Armor again.
Even with 2 shields up, no Light Armor guy can survive a Two-NB-Bomber attack.I play MagBlade for years, and the ability to start and end fights at willThis post is full of L2P. Do yourself a favour, if you think magblade is OP stop being a hypocrite and start playing one.
makes Cloak better than any other skill in PvP.
Combining Cloak with the former Burst was GOD MODE in PvP, and you know it.
However, MagBlades lost their god mode indeed.
The new GOD MODE is HeavyTanks with OP Vigor... Go figure what the devs like to play...
Littlebluelizard wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »Strider__Roshin wrote: »There are builds that will make you powerful, but you'd be even more powerful if you were using a Warden.
Every build you make on a nb, will be more powerful on any other class. NB atm lacks everything except sustain.
I mean, throw Caluurion on a magblade and no class can match up with it. It sucks that you gotta cheese on a nb to make it work, but damn if one shotting 90% of the player base doesn't feel amazing.
This. It's literally the only reason I'm still doing so well.
Flame Clench procs Caluurions which I can follow with Spectral Bow. Both are nearly guaranteed to hit at a closer range because of the knockback.
The downside is I don't really have an effective ultimate to add to the mix. Meteor will get blocked, the knockback from Flame Clench makes Soul Tether and Soul Harvest redundant, and Soul Assault is silly and too expensive.
Soul Harvest from stealth to proc caluureon, then fear. They will get feared as the calureoon proc is hitting them so they will take full damage.
BalticBlues wrote: »BalticBlues wrote: »NB still is the most powerful PvP class.
During the current Midyear Mayhem, Bomber Teams of only 2 NBs
are taking out any groups having to stand on flags to take camps and keeps.
There is no counter, even if you know what can happen.
due to the combination of "cloak", "vicious death", "distance detonation" [...] and "sap essence".
Especially if there is a guy in light armor, this means "game over" for all people in a group.
There needs to be a cost increase on Cloak, as there is one on Streak.
Moreover, Light Armor needs to get buffed to be on par with Heavy Armor again.
Even with 2 shields up, no Light Armor guy can survive a Two-NB-Bomber attack.I play MagBlade for years, and the ability to start and end fights at willThis post is full of L2P. Do yourself a favour, if you think magblade is OP stop being a hypocrite and start playing one.
makes Cloak better than any other skill in PvP.
Combining Cloak with the former Burst was GOD MODE in PvP, and you know it.
However, MagBlades lost their god mode indeed.
The new GOD MODE is HeavyTanks with OP Vigor... Go figure what the devs like to play...
I don't think they will ever give a stealth class a burst heal cause that could be pretty broken with the ability to already reset the fight and adding a spammable burst heal I'm guessing you guys are imagining like the templar breath of life or pet heal on magsorc, they definitely could increase the heals they have though on hots though with the new dmg mitigation
NOT TO MENTION THAT CLOAK IS SUCH AN ANNOYING ABILITY TO BOTH USE OR PLAY AGAINST, BECAUSE IT RARELY SEEMS TO WORK WHENEVER YOU NEED IT THE MOST
I think that maybe server lag I have had this to what I normally do is use camo hunter and run up to to nb while using it.
NOT TO MENTION THAT CLOAK IS SUCH AN ANNOYING ABILITY TO BOTH USE OR PLAY AGAINST, BECAUSE IT RARELY SEEMS TO WORK WHENEVER YOU NEED IT THE MOST
^^^ This , what i dont understand is when my Inner Light is up and i am litteraly walking on a NB why does the guy can still vanish when using cloak, he just vanish 1 second bu it s enough to lose him if he goes the opposite way of you ..