Flame Lash is a completely useless skill now.

MaskedHuman

• Off Balance now lasts 7 seconds from player sourced abilities and sets.

• Off Balance is no longer reapplied to a target for 15 seconds once the original source of Off Balance ends. This cooldown is displayed as a debuff on targets once they are affected.

This completely kills Flame lash, A core Magicka Dragonknight ability that relies on having enemies Off balance consistently to get the heal and damage.
If you don't know what Flame lash does, here it is:

Lash an enemy with flame, dealing xxxx Flame Damage. If you strike an enemy that is immobile or stunned, you set them Off Balance. Targeting an Off Balance enemy changes this ability into Power Lash, allowing you to lash an enemy at half cost to deal xxxx Flame Damage and heal you for xxxx over 2 seconds. This effect can occur once every 3 seconds.

so now, as a Magicka Dragonknight, I won't be able to even use a core ability. This is the exact same thing that happened with Charged Ice blockade and they nerfed roots because of it, effecting MagDKs the most because of talons.

Here's my suggestion. Either make Flame lash have a rule break and be able to ignore the Off balance cooldown, or add a new condition for the ability that lets the second hit of power lash on a rooted/stunned target always do a power lash, keeping the original 3 second cooldown.

Jabbs_Giggity

The only way I see this being fixed for Flame Lash is to add it as an exception where the proc is not affected by the Flame Lash consuming the Off-Balance. Essentially this fix would make Flame Lash able to be spammed only twice per Off Balance with an 8 second cooldown...

Again, still not a great solution...

MaskedHuman

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

The only way I see this being fixed for Flame Lash is to add it as an exception where the proc is not affected by the Flame Lash consuming the Off-Balance. Essentially this fix would make Flame Lash able to be spammed only twice per Off Balance with an 8 second cooldown...

Again, still not a great solution...

It's not 8 seconds, The cooldown starts after off balance runs out, so it's a complete 15 seconds.

Ryanoxx

No matter how they change it, they have to change it or it is a dead ability. Molten Whip will be the only choice if it goes live like that.

MaskedHuman

Ryanoxx wrote: »

No matter how they change it, they have to change it or it is a dead ability. Molten Whip will be the only choice if it goes live like that.

The only thing that power lash has over molten whip is the heal, if they gutted off balance THAT hard, flame lash will be literally absolutely garbage

Ryanoxx

MaskedHuman wrote: »

Ryanoxx wrote: »

No matter how they change it, they have to change it or it is a dead ability. Molten Whip will be the only choice if it goes live like that.

The only thing that power lash has over molten whip is the heal, if they gutted off balance THAT hard, flame lash will be literally absolutely garbage

I absolutely agree. I liked flame lash better. The heal did help me to go offensive in outnumbered situations. I do not want to spam other ardened flame abilities to make use of my spammable.

Skysenzz

MaskedHuman wrote: »

Jabbs_Giggity wrote: »

The only way I see this being fixed for Flame Lash is to add it as an exception where the proc is not affected by the Flame Lash consuming the Off-Balance. Essentially this fix would make Flame Lash able to be spammed only twice per Off Balance with an 8 second cooldown...

Again, still not a great solution...

It's not 8 seconds, The cooldown starts after off balance runs out, so it's a complete 15 seconds.

which make 1 buffed leash every 22 seconds at best.
Change one of the two.

MartiniDaniels

And what about dizzy? This is very controversial change tbh...

MartiniDaniels

I mean so you used dizzy once applied off-balance... you used it second time, applied stun.. then you can go rest for 15 seconds lol?

MartiniDaniels

And what about Truth? Thanks god, I sticked to 7th legion and decide I'm lazy to farm Truth Maul and improve truth jewelry for 100 extra WD... but for those who had Truth maxed out...

MaskedHuman

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

I mean so you used dizzy once applied off-balance... you used it second time, applied stun.. then you can go rest for 15 seconds lol?

Dizzy is another subject, for me as a magdk main, this is what's troubling me the most.

MentalxHammer

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

And what about Truth? Thanks god, I sticked to 7th legion and decide I'm lazy to farm Truth Maul and improve truth jewelry for 100 extra WD... but for those who had Truth maxed out...

I just farmed Darkshade 220 times for my Maul of Truth. Enough with this ZOS, I thought you said this was going to be about performance!?

iCaliban

Molten whip has been better since the change

OrderoftheDarkness

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

And what about Truth? Thanks god, I sticked to 7th legion and decide I'm lazy to farm Truth Maul and improve truth jewelry for 100 extra WD... but for those who had Truth maxed out...

I think these changes are made because of Truth. Maybe this is an attempt by other spammable to be competitive Dizzy. Although not from this side came the developers.
P. S. It’s probably better for me to look at the patch notes in a year or two, maybe then I will see what I want for class spammable. ^^

ebix_

I don't get it tbh
no one was complaining about off balance and it was working fine... this is so unnecessary.
adding that 1 weapon damage to briarheart was much more reasonable than this .

Ryanoxx

iCaliban wrote: »

Molten whip has been better since the change

I don't agree with that. The heal from lash was still very useful, it was better for your sustain. Both were good and it was down to preference.

Urzigurumash

@OrderoftheDarkness

I think they would've just given Truth a cooldown, or changed to "once per 10 seconds" like how 7th works now, which at least prohibits true 100% uptime.

EtTuBrutus

This change is not about the armor of truth set.
It's more about it being the only thing needed for sustain and a stun.

MartiniDaniels

Since flame lash is useless now... maybe ZOS can convert it to stamwhip finally?

Somewhere

Honestly the fact that someone could dodge your Power Lash and that would put the ability on CD is what makes it bad. If someone dodges my fully powered Molten Whip it doesn't consume seething fury stacks, I just try again.

StShoot

Call me stupid but didnt we had this same problem last time when zos changed offballance ? And they didnt learn from it wow.... just wow

Casterial

It harms Dizzy as well.

MaskedHuman

Casterial wrote: »

It harms Dizzy as well.

This change harms flame lash more than it does Dizzy.

jcm2606

Can Zenimax stop *** touching *** that doesn't need to be touched?! Who was complaining about this?!

MaskedHuman

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Since flame lash is useless now... maybe ZOS can convert it to stamwhip finally?

I know you're joking, but no, StamDK is already x20 times better than MagDK.

jcm2606 wrote: »

Can Zenimax stop *** touching *** that doesn't need to be touched?! Who was complaining about this?!

Yes, and the fact that they nerf something because of an ability, and then it affects other abilities that needed to not be touched at all, AKA Flame Lash.

Somewhere wrote: »

Honestly the fact that someone could dodge your Power Lash and that would put the ability on CD is what makes it bad. If someone dodges my fully powered Molten Whip it doesn't consume seething fury stacks, I just try again.

Yes, Power Lash was way better and super strong when it was undodgeable, now they made burning embers and Power Lash dodgeable. And now you can't even USE Power Lash.

MyPrist

Just make it work like it works on of balance targets on stuned, or root enemy than ?

For example = set off balance + works like 2 part of skill on controlled enemys.

Will it be better? Or some cry about it again?

Dragonnord

Don't worry guys, ZOS has @ZOS_Gilliam on the team now and as soon as he sees that someone hacked his terminal and made this change to Flame Lash, he will fix it. Right Gilliam?
 

thadjarvis

Wait isn't it 5sec OB and 15sec cool-down currently. Isn't our window increasing from 5 to 7 seconds?

Xvorg

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Since flame lash is useless now... maybe ZOS can convert it to stamwhip finally?

Since Flame lash is garbage, ZoS could reduce the dmg of power lash, but make it execute enemies under 50% health, escalating like JB or reverse slash, instead of the heal.

Oh, and making the skill scale with the higher type of dmg, stam or magicka (like soul trap, but fire and poison instead of magical and physical dmg)

Xvorg

Ryanoxx wrote: »

iCaliban wrote: »

Molten whip has been better since the change

I don't agree with that. The heal from lash was still very useful, it was better for your sustain. Both were good and it was down to preference.

TBH, flame lash has been destroyed like 10 times now since Morrowind. Good old flame lash, with free undodgeable 8 mts range and stunning powerlash was OK

MaskedHuman

Xvorg wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Since flame lash is useless now... maybe ZOS can convert it to stamwhip finally?

Since Flame lash is garbage, ZoS could reduce the dmg of power lash, but make it execute enemies under 50% health, escalating like JB or reverse slash, instead of the heal.

Oh, and making the skill scale with the higher type of dmg, stam or magicka (like soul trap, but fire and poison instead of magical and physical dmg)

That sounds like a disaster tbh. StamDK doesn't need more buffs nor does it need whips and MagDK just needs to be able to power lash, same ability, same everything, just not a 15 second cooldown on it