Elfbane+Zaan - increased the duration bonus of this set to 5 seconds, up from 2

MellowMagic

The_Saint wrote: »

liko parse with elfbane + zaan




https://youtu.be/AeD4w6jR9wc

Damn hes even using burning talons and staying with unstable. Now I gotta go and see if I can atleast hit 80k with siroria.

MyPrist

jaws343 wrote: »

So a 5K Zaan tooltip gets you:

0 Sec: 5K
1 Sec: 7.5K
2 Sec: 11.25K
3 Sec: 16.88K
4 Sec: 25.31K
5 Sec: 37.97K
6 Sec: 56.95K
7 Sec: 85.43K
8 Sec: 128.14K
9 Sec: 192.22K
10 Sec: 288.32K

Lol 78K DPS AVG for the whole proc duration.

Wrong calculation.

It gives 50% from 5 k each time, not 50% from last.

MyPrist

The same damage as relequin gives for this combo.

Not really big problem. May be 4 seconds will be good too. If 5 is too much.

Do not see problem to panick here.

Kolzki

Zos have commented on this a number of times on these forums stating that it is their intention for elf bane to buff zaan and grothdaar. Whether it is still balanced or not is another question but it is working as intended.

MellowMagic

Adding burning talons to your rotation will give you like 4-5k extra dps. It's easily the magdks best dot with elf bane.

xylena

This is a non-issue, like the 100k Soul Trap tooltips with that terrible 5pc set that got nerfed to be even more terrible. Nobody with a brain is going to stand in Zaan range in PvP for 10 seconds. Nothing needs to be balanced around potatoes refusing to learn the game. The more mechanics that punish brainless face tanking, the better.

Xvorg

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

That is just crazy. Imagine gap closer spam+cc-immunity pot etc. Last ticks will do crazy damage. Either they revert this change, or Zaan will be nerfed hard.
Also imagine what you can do with this on magDK in PVE... of course you'll go sacrificing something... but 5 seconds is not a joke in terms of sustain.

5 secs = 2 ticks...

next

on Zaan it seems OP, but let's face it, EB has never been a good set... not even decent

On the other hand, addinng 1k extra flame dmg on DoTs seems OK and it turns the set into something useful for Pigeon knight

MartiniDaniels

Of course everybody can easily get out of Zaan and there are no ways to stick to target. That's why Zaan is banned for duels. Because it is so easy to counter.

Joosef_Kivikilpi

jaws343 wrote: »

So a 5K Zaan tooltip gets you:

0 Sec: 5K
1 Sec: 7.5K
2 Sec: 11.25K
3 Sec: 16.88K
4 Sec: 25.31K
5 Sec: 37.97K
6 Sec: 56.95K
7 Sec: 85.43K
8 Sec: 128.14K
9 Sec: 192.22K
10 Sec: 288.32K

Lol 78K DPS AVG for the whole proc duration.

The damage does not increase like that. I did the math and tested it in game once before because the numbers were crazy when I thought it did as you mention above. The tick damage only initially increases by 50% damage from the first base number.

Example:

0 Sec: 5k
1 Sec: 7.5k
2 Sec: 10k
3 Sec: 12.5
4 Sec: 15k
5 Sec: 17.5k
6 Sec: 20k
7 Sec: 22.5k
8 Sec: 25k
9 Sec: 27.5k
10 Sec: 30k

Total: 192.5k

Definitely not as much, but still beefy as heck.

It would be wise for this to be tested again though to ensure it stacks as mentioned above.

And glad I'm not the only one who noticed the Elf Bane change IMMEDIATELY.

But how about that 100% uptime on Grothdarr? lolz

kaithuzar

MellowMagic wrote: »

Elf Bane + Zaan + Elemental succession

I would go around onslaughting people to try for the full pen version lol

kaithuzar

xylena wrote: »

This is a non-issue, like the 100k Soul Trap tooltips with that terrible 5pc set that got nerfed to be even more terrible. Nobody with a brain is going to stand in Zaan range in PvP for 10 seconds. Nothing needs to be balanced around potatoes refusing to learn the game. The more mechanics that punish brainless face tanking, the better.

It’s not about “standing in it”, it’s about “getting spam-bushed with it LOL

MartiniDaniels

kaithuzar wrote: »

MellowMagic wrote: »

Elf Bane + Zaan + Elemental succession

I would go around onslaughting people to try for the full pen version lol

Here we go. I was monitoring TTC for greatsword today, well, it's first one I see. Price is hilarious ofc, but it shows that people are clearly understanding potential of elf bane zaan->fossilize->onslaught->molten whip.

jaws343

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

MellowMagic wrote: »

Elf Bane + Zaan + Elemental succession

I would go around onslaughting people to try for the full pen version lol

Here we go. I was monitoring TTC for greatsword today, well, it's first one I see. Price is hilarious ofc, but it shows that people are clearly understanding potential of elf bane zaan->fossilize->onslaught->molten whip.

Doesn't onslaught only work with direct damage now? So onslaught would do nothing to help out Zaan.

Reverb

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

MellowMagic wrote: »

Elf Bane + Zaan + Elemental succession

I would go around onslaughting people to try for the full pen version lol

Here we go. I was monitoring TTC for greatsword today, well, it's first one I see. Price is hilarious ofc, but it shows that people are clearly understanding potential of elf bane zaan->fossilize->onslaught->molten whip.

That’s fun. I wonder if it’s a good time to unload the Elf Bane inferno staff and jewels I’ve been holding onto, or wait until the hype reaches a feverish pitch. Hmm...

Dreyloch

jaws343 wrote: »

So a 5K Zaan tooltip gets you:

0 Sec: 5K
1 Sec: 7.5K
2 Sec: 11.25K
3 Sec: 16.88K
4 Sec: 25.31K
5 Sec: 37.97K
6 Sec: 56.95K
7 Sec: 85.43K
8 Sec: 128.14K
9 Sec: 192.22K
10 Sec: 288.32K

Lol 78K DPS AVG for the whole proc duration.

Trying to understand where your getting 10 seconds from? Elfbane buffed to 5 second duration, Zaan's is a 5 sec duration with an 18 second cooldown. Please forgive any hidden mechanics I'm missing here? Add to that, it's pretty easy to dodgeroll the beam and break it in PvP.

I was more concerned with the drop to 8% cost reduction on Molag Kena TBH lol. Pair that up with New Moon Acolyte and your still under the 20% Kena used to have. Maybe toss Cleaver alchemist in there too...

ArchMikem

MellowMagic wrote: »

This is what i get with elf bane + zaan + Elemental succession
Keep in mind i havnt played my magdk in over a year so my rotation was pretty rusty.

"My rotation is pretty rusty."

Does a 73k parse.

Runefang

ArchMikem wrote: »

MellowMagic wrote: »

This is what i get with elf bane + zaan + Elemental succession
Keep in mind i havnt played my magdk in over a year so my rotation was pretty rusty.

"My rotation is pretty rusty."

Does a 73k parse.

Agreed, he understated how rusty.

FrankonPC

jaws343 wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

I'm trying to remember the last time that I was killed by Zaan in PVP...

Maybe in no-CP and BGs?

I don't think this will hurt PVP too much really. You still have to stick to a target for enough time to actually ramp up the damage. It's the PVE implications that are the most interesting.

This is pretty brutal in pvp, unless you have a purge or cloak. even then you better hope a bunch of other stuff isn't debuffing you so you can cleanse it immediately.

MartiniDaniels

jaws343 wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

MellowMagic wrote: »

Elf Bane + Zaan + Elemental succession

I would go around onslaughting people to try for the full pen version lol

Here we go. I was monitoring TTC for greatsword today, well, it's first one I see. Price is hilarious ofc, but it shows that people are clearly understanding potential of elf bane zaan->fossilize->onslaught->molten whip.

Doesn't onslaught only work with direct damage now? So onslaught would do nothing to help out Zaan.

Oh it works, on live server. I was surprised myself when I tried it...

Kaysha

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

MellowMagic wrote: »

Elf Bane + Zaan + Elemental succession

I would go around onslaughting people to try for the full pen version lol

Here we go. I was monitoring TTC for greatsword today, well, it's first one I see. Price is hilarious ofc, but it shows that people are clearly understanding potential of elf bane zaan->fossilize->onslaught->molten whip.

Thanks for advertising

jaws343

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

kaithuzar wrote: »

MellowMagic wrote: »

Elf Bane + Zaan + Elemental succession

I would go around onslaughting people to try for the full pen version lol

Here we go. I was monitoring TTC for greatsword today, well, it's first one I see. Price is hilarious ofc, but it shows that people are clearly understanding potential of elf bane zaan->fossilize->onslaught->molten whip.

Doesn't onslaught only work with direct damage now? So onslaught would do nothing to help out Zaan.

Oh it works, on live server. I was surprised myself when I tried it...

That's got to be a bug right?

Kaartinen

This isn't making it to live as is. Zaan and Destro Ulti are bonkers buffed.

Nerftheforums

jaws343 wrote: »

I'm not sure what they can do with Elf Bane to make it worth using without blowing up Zaan's tooltip, outside of a complete Elf Bane rework. And they can't change Zaan to accommodate the change to this set without making Zaan useless without the set pairing. Weird situation here.

"...this effect does not modify the duration of channeled abilities and beams". Done, easy.

MellowMagic

Runefang wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

MellowMagic wrote: »

This is what i get with elf bane + zaan + Elemental succession
Keep in mind i havnt played my magdk in over a year so my rotation was pretty rusty.

"My rotation is pretty rusty."

Does a 73k parse.

Agreed, he understated how rusty.

I'm confused , my rotation was pretty rusty cause the 5 seconds of elf bane doesnt apply to unstable blockade for some reason It must be bugged so I had to make the rotation very dynamic and I didnt practice it much. Just practicing my rotation and adding burning talons made it go from 73k to 78k and swapping in siroria for elemental sucession brings it over 80k.

Edit: the main reason I added that rusty bit was because this is naturally a really good set up now and alot of people will achieve similar dps.

MellowMagic

Runefang wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

MellowMagic wrote: »

This is what i get with elf bane + zaan + Elemental succession
Keep in mind i havnt played my magdk in over a year so my rotation was pretty rusty.

"My rotation is pretty rusty."

Does a 73k parse.

Agreed, he understated how rusty.

Edit: disregard