Elfbane+Zaan - increased the duration bonus of this set to 5 seconds, up from 2

ryh · January 2020

So how much damage will Zaan do with additional 3s?

wookikiller95 · January 2020

A lot

ryh · January 2020

Would that be the best nonulti utli in the game?

Jeirno · January 2020

Just when I posted about the same topic you had done the same XD but ye it will hit like truck in PvE

Jeirno · January 2020

ryh wrote: »

Would that be the best nonulti utli in the game?

Probably better than most ultis themselves 😂

jaws343 · January 2020

Elfbane + Eye of the Storm + Zaan + Silks of the Sun.

MellowMagic · January 2020

Elf Bane + Zaan + Elemental succession

jaws343 · January 2020

I'm not sure what they can do with Elf Bane to make it worth using without blowing up Zaan's tooltip, outside of a complete Elf Bane rework. And they can't change Zaan to accommodate the change to this set without making Zaan useless without the set pairing. Weird situation here.

macsmooth · January 2020

Prediction, golden vendor is going to stock Zaan, following week Zaan damage reduced to 10% of what it was per tick

MellowMagic · January 2020

jaws343 wrote: »

I'm not sure what they can do with Elf Bane to make it worth using without blowing up Zaan's tooltip, outside of a complete Elf Bane rework. And they can't change Zaan to accommodate the change to this set without making Zaan useless without the set pairing. Weird situation here.

Honestly if they made the 5 pc bonus something like : adds 200~ spell damage and kept the 2 second duration it would be better without directly making it all about zaan. Or they could make it more interesting and have it add 50 spell damage for every active fire ability.

jaws343 · January 2020

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MartiniDaniels · January 2020

That is just crazy. Imagine gap closer spam+cc-immunity pot etc. Last ticks will do crazy damage. Either they revert this change, or Zaan will be nerfed hard.
Also imagine what you can do with this on magDK in PVE... of course you'll go sacrificing something... but 5 seconds is not a joke in terms of sustain.

NinchiTV · January 2020

Hey you better have a mobility skill on your bar somewhere then. Anything stam will shuffle / out run zaan. Mag even with mist form ... ehh better hope there is a tree somewhere? If it breaks on LoS then it isnt so bad. But if it sticks on ya when your grinding rocks or trees... OOF.

jaws343 · January 2020

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

That is just crazy. Imagine gap closer spam+cc-immunity pot etc. Last ticks will do crazy damage. Either they revert this change, or Zaan will be nerfed hard.
Also imagine what you can do with this on magDK in PVE... of course you'll go sacrificing something... but 5 seconds is not a joke in terms of sustain.

You could run this set up and Elemental succession and just spam light attacks and hit 50K plus. Even more if you use engulfing flames...

Savos_Saren · January 2020

I'm trying to remember the last time that I was killed by Zaan in PVP...

Maybe in no-CP and BGs?

jaws343 · January 2020

Savos_Saren wrote: »

I'm trying to remember the last time that I was killed by Zaan in PVP...

Maybe in no-CP and BGs?

I don't think this will hurt PVP too much really. You still have to stick to a target for enough time to actually ramp up the damage. It's the PVE implications that are the most interesting.

MartiniDaniels · January 2020

jaws343 wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

That is just crazy. Imagine gap closer spam+cc-immunity pot etc. Last ticks will do crazy damage. Either they revert this change, or Zaan will be nerfed hard.
Also imagine what you can do with this on magDK in PVE... of course you'll go sacrificing something... but 5 seconds is not a joke in terms of sustain.

You could run this set up and Elemental succession and just spam light attacks and hit 50K plus. Even more if you use engulfing flames...

Yeah, pick altmer/dunmer to compensate for loss of damage from 5th piece... this will be dumbest rotation ever. Apply 15 seconds length dots and spam whip.. eh, and it will turn destro ult to 12 seconds length?

too bad, I am on limited internet now to re-download 60 Gb, otherwise testing this set can bring a lot of laugh.

NBrookus · January 2020

jaws343 wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

That is just crazy. Imagine gap closer spam+cc-immunity pot etc. Last ticks will do crazy damage. Either they revert this change, or Zaan will be nerfed hard.
Also imagine what you can do with this on magDK in PVE... of course you'll go sacrificing something... but 5 seconds is not a joke in terms of sustain.

You could run this set up and Elemental succession and just spam light attacks and hit 50K plus. Even more if you use engulfing flames...

And have off balance up

MartiniDaniels · January 2020

jaws343 wrote: »

Savos_Saren wrote: »

I'm trying to remember the last time that I was killed by Zaan in PVP...

Maybe in no-CP and BGs?

I don't think this will hurt PVP too much really. You still have to stick to a target for enough time to actually ramp up the damage. It's the PVE implications that are the most interesting.

Imagine build with no damage, only huge speed and resistances + onslaught. Let's say magDK with swift and steed, pariah, elf bane, zaan, undodgeable chains, undodgeable stun... drink cc-pot at zaan proc, land fossilize->onslaught somewhere at 5-6 ticks.

Vildebill · January 2020

Please test this as soon as the server is online, this sounds hilarious.

Haquor · January 2020

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

That is just crazy. Imagine gap closer spam+cc-immunity pot etc. Last ticks will do crazy damage. Either they revert this change, or Zaan will be nerfed hard.
Also imagine what you can do with this on magDK in PVE... of course you'll go sacrificing something... but 5 seconds is not a joke in terms of sustain.

How the *** could they nerf zaan. Cause they want to buff a single disused pvp set thier solution would be nerf zaan.

Just settle down on the elfbane buff please

Daemonai · January 2020

My eyes bulged out when I saw the change. Then I ran here to post it but you all beat me to it.

MartiniDaniels · January 2020

Haquor wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

That is just crazy. Imagine gap closer spam+cc-immunity pot etc. Last ticks will do crazy damage. Either they revert this change, or Zaan will be nerfed hard.
Also imagine what you can do with this on magDK in PVE... of course you'll go sacrificing something... but 5 seconds is not a joke in terms of sustain.

How the *** could they nerf zaan. Cause they want to buff a single disused pvp set thier solution would be nerf zaan.

Just settle down on the elfbane buff please

Easiest solution will be to exclude zaan from elfbane...

MellowMagic · January 2020

jaws343 wrote: »

So a 5K Zaan tooltip gets you:

0 Sec: 5K
1 Sec: 7.5K
2 Sec: 11.25K
3 Sec: 16.88K
4 Sec: 25.31K
5 Sec: 37.97K
6 Sec: 56.95K
7 Sec: 85.43K
8 Sec: 128.14K
9 Sec: 192.22K
10 Sec: 288.32K

Lol 78K DPS AVG for the whole proc duration.

Theyre just going to make zaan not work with elf bane. No way theyre keeping this and i doubt theyll gut zaan cause of one pairing. Itll still be neat with grothdar

jaws343 · January 2020

MellowMagic wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

So a 5K Zaan tooltip gets you:

0 Sec: 5K
1 Sec: 7.5K
2 Sec: 11.25K
3 Sec: 16.88K
4 Sec: 25.31K
5 Sec: 37.97K
6 Sec: 56.95K
7 Sec: 85.43K
8 Sec: 128.14K
9 Sec: 192.22K
10 Sec: 288.32K

Lol 78K DPS AVG for the whole proc duration.

Theyre just going to make zaan not work with elf bane. No way theyre keeping this and i doubt theyll gut zaan cause of one pairing. Itll still be neat with grothdar

I could see them doing that or just reworking elf bane entirely.

Outside of Zaan, this does make running Elf Bane very interesting with a number of skills and sets. But Zaan definitely gains the most from this change.

Berenhir · January 2020

jaws343 wrote: »

So a 5K Zaan tooltip gets you:

0 Sec: 5K
1 Sec: 7.5K
2 Sec: 11.25K
3 Sec: 16.88K
4 Sec: 25.31K
5 Sec: 37.97K
6 Sec: 56.95K
7 Sec: 85.43K
8 Sec: 128.14K
9 Sec: 192.22K
10 Sec: 288.32K

Lol 78K DPS AVG for the whole proc duration.

Wrong math. Zaan is additive. So 10 seconds is +500% = 30k last tick

MashmalloMan · January 2020

This has got to be mostly for Mag DKs. Claw and Breath currently last 14s, the 5s puts them at 19s but they only do damage every 2s, so doesn't that mean they're simply 18s anyway?

I don't know, sounds really cool though. I've always loved Elfbane as a set idea for Mag DK.

You can make Grothdar have next to 100% uptime now since the duration and cooldown will match at 10s. Zaan will be insane single target damage.

Claw, Breath, and Ele Wall 19s. Ashcloud 23s. FoO 20s.

My worry is because of Zaan, they will make the set bonus not effect set items

jaws343 · January 2020

Berenhir wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

So a 5K Zaan tooltip gets you:

0 Sec: 5K
1 Sec: 7.5K
2 Sec: 11.25K
3 Sec: 16.88K
4 Sec: 25.31K
5 Sec: 37.97K
6 Sec: 56.95K
7 Sec: 85.43K
8 Sec: 128.14K
9 Sec: 192.22K
10 Sec: 288.32K

Lol 78K DPS AVG for the whole proc duration.

Wrong math. Zaan is additive. So 10 seconds is +500% = 30k last tick

Zaan adds 50% of each previous tick to the next tick. You can already get 30K+ ticks at 5 seconds on live.

MartiniDaniels · January 2020

jaws343 wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

So a 5K Zaan tooltip gets you:

0 Sec: 5K
1 Sec: 7.5K
2 Sec: 11.25K
3 Sec: 16.88K
4 Sec: 25.31K
5 Sec: 37.97K
6 Sec: 56.95K
7 Sec: 85.43K
8 Sec: 128.14K
9 Sec: 192.22K
10 Sec: 288.32K

Lol 78K DPS AVG for the whole proc duration.

Wrong math. Zaan is additive. So 10 seconds is +500% = 30k last tick

Zaan adds 50% of each previous tick to the next tick. You can already get 30K+ ticks at 5 seconds on live.

You can have ~30k tick with minor+major vulnerability+full penetration. But not 30k self-buffed.

vgabor · January 2020

Simple solution, efbane only should do what it said in the tooltip: "Increases the duration of your Flame Damage abilities" - your abilities not procs from you gear.

TBois · January 2020

They could also just cap zaan at a certain value per tick. There are many options for smart measured fixes.