Why vampire drain is so OP

Karmanorway

When i ask they fix the skill so many players dont get why i have a problem with the skill, so here goes:

*U cant dodge it
*It goes through your block
*Drain follow u through walls
*U can interrupt the skill, but it has cooldown for next interrupt.

*It is a high dot skill pluss it heals your enemy (wait, i thought dots in itself was a problem few patches ago?)

*It is an abused zerging tool, this skill is the reason why u are hit with 50 ultis at the same time when u are busy breaking free.

*The trash can be animation canceled

*Well timed with colossus/shalks/zaan use your imagination, this quickly becomes a oneshot skill

*It is extremely clunky to break free from, NBs old fear was a problem, why isnt drain a problem too considering it damage your enemy AND heal u at the same time????

*Why not burst down the enemy when he is draining u say? Because majority thats use it are necros and magdens, If u have so much damage u can burst them down solo then well idk what to say..

My friends are leaving because of the abuse of this skill and im considering about joining them, just because of this ONE skill.

Now to the fun part, i would love if ppl tell me why this skill is useless, and what the ppl that spams it all the time have to say to defend it 🙂

Revokus

Karmanorway wrote: »

When i ask they fix the skill so many players dont get why i have a problem with the skill, so here goes:

*U cant dodge it
*It goes through your block
*Drain follow u through walls
*U can interrupt the skill, but it has cooldown for next interrupt.

*It is a high dot skill pluss it heals your enemy (wait, i thought dots in itself was a problem few patches ago?)

*It is an abused zerging tool, this skill is the reason why u are hit with 50 ultis at the same time when u are busy breaking free.

*The trash can be animation canceled

*Well timed with colossus/shalks/zaan use your imagination, this quickly becomes a oneshot skill

*It is extremely clunky to break free from, NBs old fear was a problem, why isnt drain a problem too considering it damage your enemy AND heal u at the same time????

*Why not burst down the enemy when he is draining u say? Because majority thats use it are necros and magdens, If u have so much damage u can burst them down solo then well idk what to say..

My friends are leaving because of the abuse of this skill and im considering about joining them, just because of this ONE skill.

Now to the fun part, i would love if ppl tell me why this skill is useless, and what the ppl that spams it all the time have to say to defend it 🙂

It does not go trough Block. Vamp Drain is 100 % blockable.

Karmanorway

Revokus wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

When i ask they fix the skill so many players dont get why i have a problem with the skill, so here goes:

*U cant dodge it
*It goes through your block
*Drain follow u through walls
*U can interrupt the skill, but it has cooldown for next interrupt.

*It is a high dot skill pluss it heals your enemy (wait, i thought dots in itself was a problem few patches ago?)

*It is an abused zerging tool, this skill is the reason why u are hit with 50 ultis at the same time when u are busy breaking free.

*The trash can be animation canceled

*Well timed with colossus/shalks/zaan use your imagination, this quickly becomes a oneshot skill

*It is extremely clunky to break free from, NBs old fear was a problem, why isnt drain a problem too considering it damage your enemy AND heal u at the same time????

*Why not burst down the enemy when he is draining u say? Because majority thats use it are necros and magdens, If u have so much damage u can burst them down solo then well idk what to say..

My friends are leaving because of the abuse of this skill and im considering about joining them, just because of this ONE skill.

Now to the fun part, i would love if ppl tell me why this skill is useless, and what the ppl that spams it all the time have to say to defend it 🙂

It does not go trough Block. Vamp Drain is 100 % blockable.

It is not, it still drains through your block

Edziu

Revokus wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

When i ask they fix the skill so many players dont get why i have a problem with the skill, so here goes:

*U cant dodge it
*It goes through your block
*Drain follow u through walls
*U can interrupt the skill, but it has cooldown for next interrupt.

*It is a high dot skill pluss it heals your enemy (wait, i thought dots in itself was a problem few patches ago?)

*It is an abused zerging tool, this skill is the reason why u are hit with 50 ultis at the same time when u are busy breaking free.

*The trash can be animation canceled

*Well timed with colossus/shalks/zaan use your imagination, this quickly becomes a oneshot skill

*It is extremely clunky to break free from, NBs old fear was a problem, why isnt drain a problem too considering it damage your enemy AND heal u at the same time????

*Why not burst down the enemy when he is draining u say? Because majority thats use it are necros and magdens, If u have so much damage u can burst them down solo then well idk what to say..

My friends are leaving because of the abuse of this skill and im considering about joining them, just because of this ONE skill.

Now to the fun part, i would love if ppl tell me why this skill is useless, and what the ppl that spams it all the time have to say to defend it 🙂

It does not go trough Block. Vamp Drain is 100 % blockable.

not cc wich also make you instantly drop your block ccing you so

Revokus

Karmanorway wrote: »

Revokus wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

When i ask they fix the skill so many players dont get why i have a problem with the skill, so here goes:

*U cant dodge it
*It goes through your block
*Drain follow u through walls
*U can interrupt the skill, but it has cooldown for next interrupt.

*It is a high dot skill pluss it heals your enemy (wait, i thought dots in itself was a problem few patches ago?)

*It is an abused zerging tool, this skill is the reason why u are hit with 50 ultis at the same time when u are busy breaking free.

*The trash can be animation canceled

*Well timed with colossus/shalks/zaan use your imagination, this quickly becomes a oneshot skill

*It is extremely clunky to break free from, NBs old fear was a problem, why isnt drain a problem too considering it damage your enemy AND heal u at the same time????

*Why not burst down the enemy when he is draining u say? Because majority thats use it are necros and magdens, If u have so much damage u can burst them down solo then well idk what to say..

My friends are leaving because of the abuse of this skill and im considering about joining them, just because of this ONE skill.

Now to the fun part, i would love if ppl tell me why this skill is useless, and what the ppl that spams it all the time have to say to defend it 🙂

It does not go trough Block. Vamp Drain is 100 % blockable.

It is not, it still drains through your block

Wrong you won't get cc'd if you block and while blocking the damage is reduced. And BTW if they cancel the drain it will not continue to do damage.

Revokus

Edziu wrote: »

Revokus wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

When i ask they fix the skill so many players dont get why i have a problem with the skill, so here goes:

*U cant dodge it
*It goes through your block
*Drain follow u through walls
*U can interrupt the skill, but it has cooldown for next interrupt.

*It is a high dot skill pluss it heals your enemy (wait, i thought dots in itself was a problem few patches ago?)

*It is an abused zerging tool, this skill is the reason why u are hit with 50 ultis at the same time when u are busy breaking free.

*The trash can be animation canceled

*Well timed with colossus/shalks/zaan use your imagination, this quickly becomes a oneshot skill

*It is extremely clunky to break free from, NBs old fear was a problem, why isnt drain a problem too considering it damage your enemy AND heal u at the same time????

*Why not burst down the enemy when he is draining u say? Because majority thats use it are necros and magdens, If u have so much damage u can burst them down solo then well idk what to say..

My friends are leaving because of the abuse of this skill and im considering about joining them, just because of this ONE skill.

Now to the fun part, i would love if ppl tell me why this skill is useless, and what the ppl that spams it all the time have to say to defend it 🙂

It does not go trough Block. Vamp Drain is 100 % blockable.

not cc wich also make you instantly drop your block ccing you so

??? Some of you need to learn the game mechanics me thinks.

Unit117

There are way more powerful and more effective moves for killing people without self stunning yourself. It’s far from op and I can’t possibly see how it’s a problem

Pauls

Karmanorway wrote: »

My friends are leaving because of the abuse of this skill and im considering about joining them, just because of this ONE skill.

Good riddance leaving game just because of single skill? Btw this skill makes magnecro viable in pvp because it let them do strong combos with coloss ult and graveyard

BohnT2

Revokus wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

Revokus wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

When i ask they fix the skill so many players dont get why i have a problem with the skill, so here goes:

*U cant dodge it
*It goes through your block
*Drain follow u through walls
*U can interrupt the skill, but it has cooldown for next interrupt.

*It is a high dot skill pluss it heals your enemy (wait, i thought dots in itself was a problem few patches ago?)

*It is an abused zerging tool, this skill is the reason why u are hit with 50 ultis at the same time when u are busy breaking free.

*The trash can be animation canceled

*Well timed with colossus/shalks/zaan use your imagination, this quickly becomes a oneshot skill

*It is extremely clunky to break free from, NBs old fear was a problem, why isnt drain a problem too considering it damage your enemy AND heal u at the same time????

*Why not burst down the enemy when he is draining u say? Because majority thats use it are necros and magdens, If u have so much damage u can burst them down solo then well idk what to say..

My friends are leaving because of the abuse of this skill and im considering about joining them, just because of this ONE skill.

Now to the fun part, i would love if ppl tell me why this skill is useless, and what the ppl that spams it all the time have to say to defend it 🙂

It does not go trough Block. Vamp Drain is 100 % blockable.

It is not, it still drains through your block

Wrong you won't get cc'd if you block and while blocking the damage is reduced. And BTW if they cancel the drain it will not continue to do damage.

The damage of vamp drain is 100% unblockable please refrain from posting false information on the forums

Karmanorway

Revokus wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Revokus wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

When i ask they fix the skill so many players dont get why i have a problem with the skill, so here goes:

*U cant dodge it
*It goes through your block
*Drain follow u through walls
*U can interrupt the skill, but it has cooldown for next interrupt.

*It is a high dot skill pluss it heals your enemy (wait, i thought dots in itself was a problem few patches ago?)

*It is an abused zerging tool, this skill is the reason why u are hit with 50 ultis at the same time when u are busy breaking free.

*The trash can be animation canceled

*Well timed with colossus/shalks/zaan use your imagination, this quickly becomes a oneshot skill

*It is extremely clunky to break free from, NBs old fear was a problem, why isnt drain a problem too considering it damage your enemy AND heal u at the same time????

*Why not burst down the enemy when he is draining u say? Because majority thats use it are necros and magdens, If u have so much damage u can burst them down solo then well idk what to say..

My friends are leaving because of the abuse of this skill and im considering about joining them, just because of this ONE skill.

Now to the fun part, i would love if ppl tell me why this skill is useless, and what the ppl that spams it all the time have to say to defend it 🙂

It does not go trough Block. Vamp Drain is 100 % blockable.

not cc wich also make you instantly drop your block ccing you so

??? Some of you need to learn the game mechanics me thinks.

First 0,7 secs is instant dmg when u block it, many use primarily for the cc which is the the biggest problem. I admit i dont use it myself. I GoT dignity annd a grain of honor to other players

Revokus

BohnT2 wrote: »

Revokus wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

Revokus wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

When i ask they fix the skill so many players dont get why i have a problem with the skill, so here goes:

*U cant dodge it
*It goes through your block
*Drain follow u through walls
*U can interrupt the skill, but it has cooldown for next interrupt.

*It is a high dot skill pluss it heals your enemy (wait, i thought dots in itself was a problem few patches ago?)

*It is an abused zerging tool, this skill is the reason why u are hit with 50 ultis at the same time when u are busy breaking free.

*The trash can be animation canceled

*Well timed with colossus/shalks/zaan use your imagination, this quickly becomes a oneshot skill

*It is extremely clunky to break free from, NBs old fear was a problem, why isnt drain a problem too considering it damage your enemy AND heal u at the same time????

*Why not burst down the enemy when he is draining u say? Because majority thats use it are necros and magdens, If u have so much damage u can burst them down solo then well idk what to say..

My friends are leaving because of the abuse of this skill and im considering about joining them, just because of this ONE skill.

Now to the fun part, i would love if ppl tell me why this skill is useless, and what the ppl that spams it all the time have to say to defend it 🙂

It does not go trough Block. Vamp Drain is 100 % blockable.

It is not, it still drains through your block

Wrong you won't get cc'd if you block and while blocking the damage is reduced. And BTW if they cancel the drain it will not continue to do damage.

The damage of vamp drain is 100% unblockable please refrain from posting false information on the forums

L2P issue. Damage is suppose to be reduced when blocking if it's not the case then it's simply a bug.

Karmanorway

Pauls wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

My friends are leaving because of the abuse of this skill and im considering about joining them, just because of this ONE skill.

Good riddance leaving game just because of single skill? Btw this skill makes magnecro viable in pvp because it let them do strong combos with coloss ult and graveyard

U mean "unavoidable" right? Thats not a good and skillfull combo, thats a broken combo. If mag users should haave such a high cc thats a direct counter to medium armor users, then maybe we should get oblivion damage buffs against your shield No? I think thats only fair

Revokus

Karmanorway wrote: »

Pauls wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

My friends are leaving because of the abuse of this skill and im considering about joining them, just because of this ONE skill.

Good riddance leaving game just because of single skill? Btw this skill makes magnecro viable in pvp because it let them do strong combos with coloss ult and graveyard

U mean "unavoidable" right? Thats not a good and skillfull combo, thats a broken combo. If mag users should haave such a high cc thats a direct counter to medium armor users, then maybe we should get oblivion damage buffs against your shield No? I think thats only fair

Wrong ! Many skills are truly undodgeable and unblockable like Fossilize/Streak not VAMP DRAIN. Vamp Drain is only Undodgeable.

Beside the skill will likely disappear completly with the Vampire rework in June. Save your energy.

Synaki

Karmanorway wrote: »

*It is a high dot skill pluss it heals your enemy (wait, i thought dots in itself was a problem few patches ago?)

It is not. The damage is pathetically low, considering it is a channel and you can't layer other damaging abilities over it like you can with proper dots. Because if you do another attack the channel ends. The only reason vamp drain is "op" is the wonky/buggy break free from the stun .

And dealing damage while self-healing? Sorc, magblade, and especially templar have class abilities that do that way better.

Karmanorway

Revokus wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

Pauls wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

My friends are leaving because of the abuse of this skill and im considering about joining them, just because of this ONE skill.

Good riddance leaving game just because of single skill? Btw this skill makes magnecro viable in pvp because it let them do strong combos with coloss ult and graveyard

U mean "unavoidable" right? Thats not a good and skillfull combo, thats a broken combo. If mag users should haave such a high cc thats a direct counter to medium armor users, then maybe we should get oblivion damage buffs against your shield No? I think thats only fair

Wrong ! Many skills are truly undodgeable and unblockable like Fossilize and Rune Cage/Streak not VAMP DRAIN.

Pls put on medium armor and go and do few BGs, then come back and tell me how that went.

Qbiken

Revokus wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

Pauls wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

My friends are leaving because of the abuse of this skill and im considering about joining them, just because of this ONE skill.

Good riddance leaving game just because of single skill? Btw this skill makes magnecro viable in pvp because it let them do strong combos with coloss ult and graveyard

U mean "unavoidable" right? Thats not a good and skillfull combo, thats a broken combo. If mag users should haave such a high cc thats a direct counter to medium armor users, then maybe we should get oblivion damage buffs against your shield No? I think thats only fair

Wrong ! Many skills are truly undodgeable and unblockable like Fossilize and Rune Cage/Streak not VAMP DRAIN.

The stun and the damage from vamp drain is un-dodgeable. The stun from drain doesn't go through block but the damage does.

And accelerating drain is a better spammable in terms of damage than a big majority of other supposedly spammables. You can easily hit 2-3k ticks every 0,7 seconds (add that the first tick happens on application of the skill) even on tanky targets. It's an overloaded ability for sure. Reducing its damage significantly would go along way.

BohnT2

Synaki wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

*It is a high dot skill pluss it heals your enemy (wait, i thought dots in itself was a problem few patches ago?)

It is not. The damage is pathetically low, considering it is a channel and you can't layer other damaging abilities over it like you can with proper dots. Because if you do another attack the channel ends. The only reason vamp drain is "op" is the wonky/buggy break free from the stun .

And dealing damage while self-healing? Sorc, magblade, and especially templar have class abilities that do that way better.

Do you realize that vamp drain damages many skills in the first second of channel while the classes who use it actively all have ways of layering high damage abilities along with drain.

Warden has shalks and fetcher flies and permafrost.
Necro has bombers, colossus and can use grave robber the second before you drain them or cancel the drain and drop graverobber afterwards
Templar have crescent sweep dot+ the damage before along with purifying light.
Magnb has the option of applying major defile and 20% extra damage before hand


And every single spec can use caluurion and zaan along with it.

Revokus

BohnT2 wrote: »

Synaki wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

*It is a high dot skill pluss it heals your enemy (wait, i thought dots in itself was a problem few patches ago?)

It is not. The damage is pathetically low, considering it is a channel and you can't layer other damaging abilities over it like you can with proper dots. Because if you do another attack the channel ends. The only reason vamp drain is "op" is the wonky/buggy break free from the stun .

And dealing damage while self-healing? Sorc, magblade, and especially templar have class abilities that do that way better.

Do you realize that vamp drain damages many skills in the first second of channel while the classes who use it actively all have ways of layering high damage abilities along with drain.

Warden has shalks and fetcher flies and permafrost.
Necro has bombers, colossus and can use grave robber the second before you drain them or cancel the drain and drop graverobber afterwards
Templar have crescent sweep dot+ the damage before along with purifying light.
Magnb has the option of applying major defile and 20% extra damage before hand


And every single spec can use caluurion and zaan along with it.

What are you trying to get at ? That all classes shouldn't be able to use multiple skills at the same time on an enemy ? If you see a Warden applying his burst and his dots on you and you let him channel a 3 sec 12 meter drain without bashing him it's 100 % a L2P issue.

Accelerating Drain can do 2 Ticks while block cancelled after 1.4 sec and if you cancel the drain right away it's only 1 Tick.

Karmanorway

Revokus wrote: »

BohnT2 wrote: »

Synaki wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

*It is a high dot skill pluss it heals your enemy (wait, i thought dots in itself was a problem few patches ago?)

It is not. The damage is pathetically low, considering it is a channel and you can't layer other damaging abilities over it like you can with proper dots. Because if you do another attack the channel ends. The only reason vamp drain is "op" is the wonky/buggy break free from the stun .

And dealing damage while self-healing? Sorc, magblade, and especially templar have class abilities that do that way better.

Do you realize that vamp drain damages many skills in the first second of channel while the classes who use it actively all have ways of layering high damage abilities along with drain.

Warden has shalks and fetcher flies and permafrost.
Necro has bombers, colossus and can use grave robber the second before you drain them or cancel the drain and drop graverobber afterwards
Templar have crescent sweep dot+ the damage before along with purifying light.
Magnb has the option of applying major defile and 20% extra damage before hand


And every single spec can use caluurion and zaan along with it.

What are you trying to get at ? That all classes shouldn't be able to use multiple skills at the same time on an enemy ? If you see a Warden applying his burst and his dots on you and you let him channel a 3 sec 12 meter drain without bashing him it's 100 % a L2P issue.

Yes! Run towards the shalks and bash! PS. May be a bit slow inside that permafrost that just popped up, just saying

Skoomah

Stop complaining and learn to break free. Look up some videos online about basic game mechanics before you go on the forums and complain for nerfs.

Van_Winkle

L2P.

Karmanorway

Skoomah wrote: »

Stop complaining and learn to break free. Look up some videos online about basic game mechanics before you go on the forums and complain for nerfs.

Its not a nerf thread, its a fix thread. Just like NBs old fear got fixed. This is no different. And yeah i pvped for 5 years, pretty sure i know how to break free...

Karmanorway

Van_Winkle wrote: »

L2P.

U l2p without being carried by broken skills ok

WoppaBoem

The fun part is going, this skill is absurd and out of wack, CC, low costs, Heal, Damage, undogdeable, 12m range, defending this skill still shows poor level quality players.

Karmanorway

WoppaBoem wrote: »

The fun part is going, this skill is absurd and out of wack, CC, low costs, Heal, Damage, undogdeable, 12m range, defending this skill still shows poor level quality players.

^Exactly, and they claim that everyone who has a problem with that is the ones with the l2p issue lmao 😂

WoppaBoem

Synaki wrote: »

Karmanorway wrote: »

*It is a high dot skill pluss it heals your enemy (wait, i thought dots in itself was a problem few patches ago?)

It is not. The damage is pathetically low, considering it is a channel and you can't layer other damaging abilities over it like you can with proper dots. Because if you do another attack the channel ends. The only reason vamp drain is "op" is the wonky/buggy break free from the stun .

And dealing damage while self-healing? Sorc, magblade, and especially templar have class abilities that do that way better.

To all defenders including above, all CC's have been taken apart, high cost, low damage, utility only aimed as CC, this skill is low in costs, deal damage, heals, this skill needs to be toned down.

At OP above lol, if you can tell me the sorc, magblade, templar skills that CC, heal, deal damage and only cost 1800 magica, please shown me and win the argument....

Revokus

WoppaBoem wrote: »

The fun part is going, this skill is absurd and out of wack, CC, low costs, Heal, Damage, undogdeable, 12m range, defending this skill still shows poor level quality players.

The heal on this is laughable they could remove it and no one would notice. People use this for the CC Magnecro in particular because Totem is easily avoidable against players that know how to play.

We will likely loose this Skill with Vampire Rework anyway or it will be completly different. And then Magnecro will be worst than it is now in solo pvp to kill someone. This is also without considering if they nerf Harmony Grave Robber and never fix Blastbones.

bearbelly

The PvP crowd gets along so well.

RefLiberty

You are really arguing over the skill and the skill line in general that is already confirmed to be completely changed in the upcoming chapter?

yodased

The problem with this skill is the problem in all previous CC skills that have been looked at.

Remember when lightning staff clench was stunning you before it hit you and knocking you to the floor? How many people started using it?

Nightblade Fear for years you couldn't break from and the majority of nightblades used it.

Fossilize Talons would perm cc you, you couldn't break or move until 8 seconds basically giving you a kill with a modicum of damage.

Take flight will CC you .8 - 1.1 seconds after the DK lands on the ground, also not being able to break free.

Volcanic run will knock you in the air and sometimes you will not be able to counter it until you hit the ground and THEN break free.

Vamp drain seems to take 2 or 3 break frees just like the old nightblade fear and it was never like that before.

When you start to see a skill go from 0 use to a high number being used without that skill being changed you have to look objectively at the situation.

People want to win and especially in this game truly exploit every weakness in it, which there are many.

It will pass just like all the others have passed and a new over performing broken skill will emerge -> that will pass and a new over performing broken skill will emerge -> that will pass and a new over performing broken skill will emerge

This is the way.

Karmanorway

RefLiberty wrote: »

You are really arguing over the skill and the skill line in general that is already confirmed to be completely changed in the upcoming chapter?

Yeah in june, thats a long time and we dont even know If this skill is "fixed" by then. Until then i have to see vampire drain everywhere, every death recap, every magicka toon i meet, in my dreams after i go to sleep, there is no escape. I see this skill more in death recap then mages wrath