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The problem with Alliance Locking...

raasdal
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Is that there is no real alternative to the Alliance Lock campaigns...!

On PC-EU, there are 2 options. CP or NO CP with alliance lock. IC and the Standard (No alliance lock) are COMPLETELY EMPTY. There is simply not playerbase enough to maintain more than 2 campaigns.

What does this mean? For me, it means that i am completely unable to play on all characters. I have one main EP, 3-4 AD secondarys. And some mules and what-nots. The problem is that BG's are broken as always. I can get a 20 min. wait. So this is not a reliable way to get PvP. I have to go to a main campaign and have the BG queue running in the background. Otherwise i can risk sitting in zone for 20 min. and waste my time.

So.. If i have my main connected to a campaign this effectively BLOCKS me from playing ANY of my AD Characters.

oo00oo

TL;DR: PLEASE for the love of god, remove Alliance Locking.
PC - EU
Gromag Gro-Molag - Sorcerer - EP
Dexion Velus - Dragonknight - AD
Chalaux Erissa - Nightblade - AD
Firiel Erissa - Templar - AD
  • Kartalin
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    Same on PC/NA. And we’re seeing a lot more off hours capping of the map when only one faction has significant population :/
    Karllotta, AD Magplar, AR 50
    Kartalin, AD Stamblade, AR 35
    Kharllotta, AD Stamden, AR 32
    Kharinnia, AD MagDK, AR 23
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  • Mr_Walker
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    Kartalin wrote: »
    Same on PC/NA. And we’re seeing a lot more off hours capping of the map when only one faction has significant population :/

    It was always prevalant, just not as noticeable as people used to switch characters to... do something. A unicolour map is boring.
    The root of the problem is the drop in playerbase, which can be laid squarely at ZOS' feet for their failure to fix persistent performance issues for years.

    A problem can have more than one cause.
  • Marcus684
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    *Insert beating dead horse gif here*
  • Karm1cOne
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    There exist no locked campaigns. The problem is getting population there. A lot of casuals like locked. That forces a lot of 1vX and small man to stay in locked. Unless there is a player coordinated mass eso dr us to nonlocked, locked will be the defacto "main" campaign.

    Convince a dozen people to swap to unlocked. Be the change you want to see in the game.
  • Royaji
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    Karm1cOne wrote: »
    There exist no locked campaigns. The problem is getting population there. A lot of casuals like locked. That forces a lot of 1vX and small man to stay in locked. Unless there is a player coordinated mass eso dr us to nonlocked, locked will be the defacto "main" campaign.

    Convince a dozen people to swap to unlocked. Be the change you want to see in the game.

    Incorrect. The casual majority does not care either way. They just click on the first campaign on the list. Which happens to be the locked one. Put the unlocked one at the top of the first page and see locked become a ghost town. There isn't enough players to fill two campaigns. Unless it's PC EU and look how well it is running...
  • ThePedge
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    Remove faction lock
    We may be down but we will never be out.
  • BaiterOfZergs
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    Ackwalan wrote: »
    Karm1cOne wrote: »
    There exist no locked campaigns. The problem is getting population there. A lot of casuals like locked. That forces a lot of 1vX and small man to stay in locked. Unless there is a player coordinated mass eso dr us to nonlocked, locked will be the defacto "main" campaign.

    Convince a dozen people to swap to unlocked. Be the change you want to see in the game.

    I thought those 1 v X folks were looking for good fights, I guess a good fight to them means, fighting those with a lot less experience.

    It simply means there’s a lot more players to fight in the main campaign. Casual doesn’t necessarily mean inexperienced either, I’m casual (I don’t play as much) at the moment but still a small scale player.

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  • ZarkingFrued
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    Alliance lock has ruined a lot of game time for me as well. 30 day lock out of your characters you dedicated time to create really nerfs your interest
  • ZarkingFrued
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    Gilvoth wrote: »
    if people wanted it, they would be there.
    only a few small group wanted it.
    the rest of us are enjoying the campaign locked.

    Cant believe players aren't allowed to play their characters in the only populated campaign to appease mass hysterical delusions about "spies!". Smh.
  • idk
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    The reality is players actually interested in PvP flock to the more populous campaign. CP/No-CP, Alliance lock or not, is all pretty much irrelevant.

    Zos made the change because some players asked for it. Zos will not just change it back all of a sudden because that would be tantamount to admitting they did not think the change through very well. So deal with it and ofc, create as many threads as you see fit.
    Really, idk
  • TheFM
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    idk wrote: »
    The reality is players actually interested in PvP flock to the more populous campaign. CP/No-CP, Alliance lock or not, is all pretty much irrelevant.

    Zos made the change because some players asked for it. Zos will not just change it back all of a sudden because that would be tantamount to admitting they did not think the change through very well. So deal with it and ofc, create as many threads as you see fit.

    Faction lock is working fine, for example PC EU no cp, we ( ad ) won by a margin of 800 pts and ep was only 1,5 k behind as third place. That looks pretty even steven to me.
    Edited by TheFM on December 16, 2019 5:38PM
    I'm that mudcrab those bandits always talk about.
  • Gatdangmayne
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    Here's my very simple suggestion, and i can't wait for it to be shot down by you guys.

    Remove emp, and the whole leaderboard completely, since we have volenlag and are getting more op weapons like it emp is unnecessary.

    Lower pop cap, not much, im not sure where its at now but everyone claims "ya can't do that it'll leave like 10 per faction!!!" Bs. 75 per faction would be plenty, and I'm fairly certain that is lower than the current cap.

    Faction score is now reset at the end of everyday - 2am est? Idk.

    So, why tf would you do this? So when you queue for cyrodil, you go to whichever camp isnt locked yet, so now we can have two campaigns with actual fights, instead of one laggy unplayable mess and one empty pvdoor map.

    Just a random idea. All i know is lock has definitely hurt population and competitiveness.




  • Rianai
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    TheFM wrote: »
    idk wrote: »
    The reality is players actually interested in PvP flock to the more populous campaign. CP/No-CP, Alliance lock or not, is all pretty much irrelevant.

    Zos made the change because some players asked for it. Zos will not just change it back all of a sudden because that would be tantamount to admitting they did not think the change through very well. So deal with it and ofc, create as many threads as you see fit.

    Faction lock is working fine, for example PC EU no cp, we ( ad ) ein by a margin of 800 ltd and ep was only 1,5 k behind.

    Has nothing to do with faction lock. The campaign has been relatively balanced scorewise even before the locks. It is also only the score that is balanced, and it is just because different factions are PvDooring at different times. Population outside of primetime is often imbalanced, resulting in a one-coloured map. And those that play mainly for the fights and prefer the underpopulated side get inevitably stuck on the overpopulated faction from time to time. Not being able to play all chars/with friends/getting punished for actually trying to balance the campaign - those issues are caused by faction locks and can't be denied.
  • Rianai
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    The unlocked campaign doesn't solve any of those issues i mentioned. Nobody wants to play on an unlocked campaign just for the sake of having no locks.
    Edited by Rianai on December 16, 2019 6:04PM
  • TheFM
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    Rianai wrote: »
    The unlocked campaign doesn't solve any of those issues i mentioned. Nobody wants to play on an unlocked campaign just for the sake of having no locks.

    I could agree with a one time change for the issue of people joining one side and then realizing everyone did.
    I'm that mudcrab those bandits always talk about.
  • Mr_Walker
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    TheFM wrote: »
    idk wrote: »
    The reality is players actually interested in PvP flock to the more populous campaign. CP/No-CP, Alliance lock or not, is all pretty much irrelevant.

    Zos made the change because some players asked for it. Zos will not just change it back all of a sudden because that would be tantamount to admitting they did not think the change through very well. So deal with it and ofc, create as many threads as you see fit.

    Faction lock is working fine, for example PC EU no cp, we ( ad ) won by a margin of 800 pts and ep was only 1,5 k behind as third place. That looks pretty even steven to me.

    Last 3 Kaal campaigns on Xbox NA have been won by a minimum of 20,000 points, but as long as you've seen one close one, sure, it's a truly great decision. :neutral:
  • TheFM
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    Mr_Walker wrote: »
    TheFM wrote: »
    idk wrote: »
    The reality is players actually interested in PvP flock to the more populous campaign. CP/No-CP, Alliance lock or not, is all pretty much irrelevant.

    Zos made the change because some players asked for it. Zos will not just change it back all of a sudden because that would be tantamount to admitting they did not think the change through very well. So deal with it and ofc, create as many threads as you see fit.

    Faction lock is working fine, for example PC EU no cp, we ( ad ) won by a margin of 800 pts and ep was only 1,5 k behind as third place. That looks pretty even steven to me.

    Last 3 Kaal campaigns on Xbox NA have been won by a minimum of 20,000 points, but as long as you've seen one close one, sure, it's a truly great decision. :neutral:

    Same for cp i believe too, was also very close.
    I'm that mudcrab those bandits always talk about.
  • sharquez
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    My regular PVP group just changed alliances and with alliance lock I'm expected to pay over a million in gold or alliance points to be able to play with them. That's not okay. This isn't a high stakes e-sport. There is literally no defensible reason for alliance lock to exist or ever have. Play how you want my foot. I'm quite frustrated with this situation.
    EP Magsorc - Never-Blinks
    EP Magcro- Ebony Maw The Manipulator
    EP Magplar - Sweet-Like-Honey
    EP Stamblade- Pure-paws
    EP MagDK- Rhys Redoran
    EP Stamsorc- Garnag Crow-Father
    EP Magblade- Dandos Direnni
    EP Stamplar- Luzrah gra-Shar
    EP StamDK- Verana Venomtongue
    EP Magden- Frozen-Frog
    EP Stamden- Dro Ma'Thra Savage
    EP DKTank- Sharquez
    EP NB Tank- Dead's Kin
    EP Magcro- Pluto Pollux
    DC Stamplar- Balan At Bergama
    DC Magsorc- Lenendren
    AD Magsorc- Ancanita
  • ellahellabella
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    sharquez wrote: »
    My regular PVP group just changed alliances and with alliance lock I'm expected to pay over a million in gold or alliance points to be able to play with them. That's not okay. This isn't a high stakes e-sport. There is literally no defensible reason for alliance lock to exist or ever have. Play how you want my foot. I'm quite frustrated with this situation.

    You'll still be locked until next campaign. Don't pay anything.
    Try to read everything I write with an Australian accent

    PC NA
    ZOMBIE DEATH MACHINE
    Vanguard
    Outcasts
    Full faction locks are only further dividing an already dwindling pvp community

    Toons:
    Ebonheart Pact
    Sophis (M. Templar), Lilivah Rallenar (M. Sorcerer), Diakoptês (M. Dragonknight), Pins and Needles (M. Nightblade), Claws-your-Curtains (S. Sorcerer), Raan-Mir-Tah (M Warden), Hezik (S Warden)

    Aldmeri Dominion
    Sophis-ticated (M. Templar), Tis not easy being Green (S. Dragonknight)

    Daggerfall Covernant
    Sirius Delatora (M. Nightblade), Ellaberry (S. Templar), Ellabear (pve tank) Claìr De Lune (M. Sorc)
  • Sparr0w
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    Ackwalan wrote: »
    Karm1cOne wrote: »
    There exist no locked campaigns. The problem is getting population there. A lot of casuals like locked. That forces a lot of 1vX and small man to stay in locked. Unless there is a player coordinated mass eso dr us to nonlocked, locked will be the defacto "main" campaign.

    Convince a dozen people to swap to unlocked. Be the change you want to see in the game.

    I thought those 1 v X folks were looking for good fights, I guess a good fight to them means, fighting those with a lot less experience.

    I'd rather have 10 ok fights, 4 heavily out numbered fights & 1 good fight an hour vs 1 good fight a day.

    Just allow people to guest still on other alliances I guess, like on my server AD is usally 2 bar, EP 3 bar, DC 0-1 bar I'd love to hop on DC whenever possible, but I only have 1 DC character & 3 AD characters, the rest are EP & I'm not throwing away the transmutes :/
    @Sparr0w so I get the notification
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