Sustain , how are you managing it this patch?

Heatnix90

Haven't had sustain issues.

It's easy once you swap to a different game

Rexy18

Khajiit stam DK, sustain just as infinite as last patch (blue food with regular orbs)

Aznarb

I've build my heal to help DPS so they don't have to do it.

I run Hollowfang + Ele Drain for Magika and Protection Circle + Symphony of Blade for Stamina.
Yes, since Magicka are easily plenty of magicka thanks to Hollo+Drain, the Sympho proc almost always on stamina dps.

Until now it work fine and my DPS are happy to not have to worry about sustain.

D0PAMINE

Atro Mundus stone on my Sorc

Nova Sky

DR4GONFL1 wrote: »

Welp...

1) Changed some skills
2) Changed champion points around
3) Lost 22k damage from before patch

Repeat

1) Found out I can't run BARBED TRAP and ELEMENTAL WEAPON on the same character because after 4 ELEMENTAL WEAPONS I have NO stamina left to hit BARBED TRAP or use ELEMENTAL WEAPON for 2 rotations because they increased the cost of Barbed Trap to 3240 Stamina and Elemental Weapon to 3122 Stamina

2) Will now switch trap back to Channeled Acceleration and keep trying.
3) Will look into Stamina glyphs but at the cost of what.

So very frustrating when you work full time and have to try to rework your characters for the 3rd or so time this year. Now instead of playing and progressing I'm trying to change skills, champion points, gear, improve new gear, farm new weapons, farm materials for spell potions just to keep trying parsing all the new stuff. Maybe a month or so trying to hit requirement for guild trials. It's almost too much work instead of fun.

That is too much work. It's no longer a game for you — it's a second job. One you're NOT being paid for.

p00tx

I managed it pretty effectively by shelving my dps toons and focusing on healing. I don't have the interest or time to relearn a new rotation every time the bipolar dev team "fixes" something, so I'm not going to bother anymore.

kathandira

Aznarb wrote: »

I've build my heal to help DPS so they don't have to do it.

I run Hollowfang + Ele Drain for Magika and Protection Circle + Symphony of Blade for Stamina.
Yes, since Magicka are easily plenty of magicka thanks to Hollo+Drain, the Sympho proc almost always on stamina dps.

Until now it work fine and my DPS are happy to not have to worry about sustain.

Hollowfang, Wormcult, Symphony of Blades, Elemental Drain, Shards, Orbs.

My Mag DPS friends love me.

Optimally, I want to get the Hollowfang set in Lightning Staff and Jewelry, and Wormcult as Armor. Then Front Masters Resto Staff for even more regen for the group. Resource Battery!!

Aznarb

kathandira wrote: »

Aznarb wrote: »

I've build my heal to help DPS so they don't have to do it.

I run Hollowfang + Ele Drain for Magika and Protection Circle + Symphony of Blade for Stamina.
Yes, since Magicka are easily plenty of magicka thanks to Hollo+Drain, the Sympho proc almost always on stamina dps.

Until now it work fine and my DPS are happy to not have to worry about sustain.

Hollowfang, Wormcult, Symphony of Blades, Elemental Drain, Shards, Orbs.

My Mag DPS friends love me.

Optimally, I want to get the Hollowfang set in Lightning Staff and Jewelry, and Wormcult as Armor. Then Front Masters Resto Staff for even more regen for the group. Resource Battery!!

TBH Wormcult is way over-rated. An Olorime to help them with DPS too would be better, just my though that said.
Also shard and Orb share the same CD on synergy, so for 4man shard are enough imho.

kathandira

Aznarb wrote: »

kathandira wrote: »

Aznarb wrote: »

I've build my heal to help DPS so they don't have to do it.

I run Hollowfang + Ele Drain for Magika and Protection Circle + Symphony of Blade for Stamina.
Yes, since Magicka are easily plenty of magicka thanks to Hollo+Drain, the Sympho proc almost always on stamina dps.

Until now it work fine and my DPS are happy to not have to worry about sustain.

Hollowfang, Wormcult, Symphony of Blades, Elemental Drain, Shards, Orbs.

My Mag DPS friends love me.

Optimally, I want to get the Hollowfang set in Lightning Staff and Jewelry, and Wormcult as Armor. Then Front Masters Resto Staff for even more regen for the group. Resource Battery!!

TBH Wormcult is way over-rated. An Olorime to help them with DPS too would be better, just my though that said.
Also shard and Orb share the same CD on synergy, so for 4man shard are enough imho.

for the sake of Olo, in a Trial, I have the other Healer use it. If they don't have it, I put it in over Wormcult currently. As for Orbs and Shards together, I keep Shards on the DPS/Healer Stack, and throw Orbs to the Tank. In a 4 man, I just use Shards and Orbs just takes up space on my bar (lol).

If there was a set that gave me Magicka stats, but restored Stamina as the 5pc, I would use that over Wormcult all damn day..[Glares at the Devs]

Kel

I just find it weird that Zos in thier infinite wisdom said one of the reasons they were making all these changes was in the name of build diversity, and yet all they've done is push players into running sustain sets, like Bone Pirate or Lich.

😖

Siohwenoeht

I've only played two of my levelled toons in any real capacity this patch so far:

Mag sorc: was already a heavy attack build and theory crafted around this patch so no issues.

Magplar: haven't changed anything yet and was soloing some craglorn group content today without issue, still haven't been to PVP land with it, but I imagine I'll be on my resto backbar a bit more than before.

AndyMac

I went Breton on my mDK (didn’t want to, but whatever)and I run FG and ele drain ( with 100% uptime where possible). I also have spell sym in my front bar but with the other changes, I rarely need it. I’m considering swapping it for inner light for most fights.

I’ve been doing vMA, base vet trials and various DLC and base dungeons and I’m finding that sustain is really a non issue 90% of the time.

Casul

I had to throw in a heavy attack every 2 rotations instead of every 3. I dropped from 48k 6 mil self buff to 44k. I just ended up dropping rending slashes entirely and replaced it for whirling blade below 33% health for a quicker execute. Overall I'm ok with the reduction as I adapted alot better then some people have.

p00tx

BuildMan wrote: »

I had to throw in a heavy attack every 2 rotations instead of every 3. I dropped from 48k 6 mil self buff to 44k. I just ended up dropping rending slashes entirely and replaced it for whirling blade below 33% health for a quicker execute. Overall I'm ok with the reduction as I adapted alot better then some people have.

Stam was overall affected far less than mag this patch in terms of sustain. In some cases, mag skills were increased by as much as 66%, while the corresponding stam morph was untouched. It was pretty ridiculous and makes it appear as if the devs dislike mag (I know that can't possibly be the case, since that would be a ludicrous reason to make changes like that and highly unprofessional to let your personal opinion affect your work).

Drako_Ei

Raudgrani wrote: »

This patch: Working, reading books, drinking cognac, binge watching TV-series, catching up on leather and silver crafting, and spending time with my son instead of any old sets/rotation. Sustain feels amazing.

How do you sustain children? How many money recovery glyphs do you run?

Austinseph1

Not really bothering with harder content this patch, magdk hemorrhages resources and it’s just not as fun. I can still complete everything yes, but its really not satisfying gameplay while doing so.

Elsonso

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Heavy attack, heavy attack and more heavy attacks. Skills costing 4980 to 6000+, ha ha ha.. sigh..

Pretty much this. Heavy attacks with skills mixed in as available. It's the latest in ESO class gear...

ketsparrowhawk

Have changed literally nothing about any of my 13 builds and have no probs with sustain. I only do PVP tho so not sure what's up with the PVE situation.

red_emu

For a nonCP PvPer. Not too bad. Change of mundus stone, an extra infused glyph and I'm fine. Yes, damage is not what it used to be. It takes longer to burst somebody down but it wasn't as hard to adapt as I was expecting it.

The only case that butchered one of my characters is MagDK. With so much investment into sustain, the damage is laughable, so I guess this one is going back on the shelf until the next sweeping class changes (luckily enough, it's only gonna be another month or two before they treat the class balance with a sledgehammer again).

Aznarb

kathandira wrote: »

Aznarb wrote: »

kathandira wrote: »

Aznarb wrote: »

I've build my heal to help DPS so they don't have to do it.

I run Hollowfang + Ele Drain for Magika and Protection Circle + Symphony of Blade for Stamina.
Yes, since Magicka are easily plenty of magicka thanks to Hollo+Drain, the Sympho proc almost always on stamina dps.

Until now it work fine and my DPS are happy to not have to worry about sustain.

Hollowfang, Wormcult, Symphony of Blades, Elemental Drain, Shards, Orbs.

My Mag DPS friends love me.

Optimally, I want to get the Hollowfang set in Lightning Staff and Jewelry, and Wormcult as Armor. Then Front Masters Resto Staff for even more regen for the group. Resource Battery!!

TBH Wormcult is way over-rated. An Olorime to help them with DPS too would be better, just my though that said.
Also shard and Orb share the same CD on synergy, so for 4man shard are enough imho.

for the sake of Olo, in a Trial, I have the other Healer use it. If they don't have it, I put it in over Wormcult currently. As for Orbs and Shards together, I keep Shards on the DPS/Healer Stack, and throw Orbs to the Tank. In a 4 man, I just use Shards and Orbs just takes up space on my bar (lol).

If there was a set that gave me Magicka stats, but restored Stamina as the 5pc, I would use that over Wormcult all damn day..[Glares at the Devs]

Agree we lack of option to help stamina sustain.

Wyrd88

Just gave up on all of my PVE characters, 9 different stam and mag toons. For me it's not really worth changing anything, all rotations are the same, like place one AoE dot to proc enchant and use spammable. And sure do heavy attacks, because it's fun, aye. Also all mag toons are literally forced to wear False God, because skill costs like 4980 magica wth. Builds diversity that we deserved. Also no new PVE content in this patch, so why do I bother.
Just do a few dungeons from time to time on heavy attack magsorc build and that's all. No raids, harder DLC content and whatsoever.

DarkShadowFax

What sustain?

In all seriousness, my pet sorcerer went from having fairly decent sustain (being able to run artaeum food with ease) to having to run parse food AND vampirism AND Spell Symmetry. So I suppose that's pretty bad. In raids I prefer to bring my breton magblade instead because her sustain is much more forgiving.
All of my stam seem to do decent'ish in a parse, but as for live trials I do not know yet.

All of my healers are now wearing either sentinel or symphony to help dps sustain, and I've gathered a set of hircine, worm cult and am working on hollowfang to further help with sustain.

PureEnvelope35

Forced my duo partner at knife point to slot Elemental Drain.
Normal crappy sustain nerf stuff.

Zacuel

Thinking I'll switch one of my weapon damage/bloodthirsty to stamregen/infused.

Or would robust be better?

Hapexamendios

FierceSam wrote: »

Adapt and overcome

That’s called progress.

It is adapting for sure, but progress 🤣😂😅😆

FearlessOne_2014

Rescue78 wrote: »

Very easily actually, by canceling my sub and switching to a game where the developers actually listen to the player base and respect them.

Please do tell, which game dev is that?

SirDopey

On my StamDK all I really had to do was change ignaious weapons to malten armaments and add it to my front bar and add a heavy attack to my rotation. The resource return from heavy attack and the earthern heart passive that restore stamina when activating molten armaments is enough to ensure I never run out of stam.

SirDopey

Rescue78 wrote: »

Very easily actually, by canceling my sub and switching to a game where the developers actually listen to the player base and respect them.

then why are you still here?

Tannus15

Breton, false god, crushing shock.

If the trial is particularly brutal on sustain like vAS then dark conversion.

Baconlad

Sustain?! Who needs sustain!

If ur not running 730 unbuffed main stat regent and three damage sets you are doing it wrong!

Seriously though. I'm in acolyte and spinner and skoria.

I swap between acolyte and seducers, and blood spawn and skoria depending on how much I'm being outnumbered.

The sustain isn't bad mainly due to only needing one honor the dead to get to full as opposed to two. Fun setup. Watch that mag though, can't go full ham for too long