I think we need some Que Waiting Class Numbers in Dungeon Finder.

ForsakenSin

Every time when i want to que in the specific dungeon its just waiting game, sometimes 30 min sometimes over 1 hr, get bored and do something else or log out, now i understand you can say , get some friends to run it with you OR ask the guilds which i do but most of them are doing something else and also that defeats the purpose of dungeon finder, so what i think we need is this.

WHAT we need is a que in numbers , so lets say you want to do a specific dungeon, on top of the icons for class rolls you can see how many people are qued for that specific dungeon and are waiting as Tank As healer As DPS, so this would give you idea if that specific dungeon is dead and nobody is quing in OR if they are waiting for DPS or Tank ect in which case you can switch your class and join it. I just don't like the fact in waiting.... and waiting.... and waiting.... there not knowing if the que in dungeon is empty , or im waiting in que Or if dungeon finder is broken and im just wasting my time

What do you thing? would you like to have this information available to you ?

xeha_arwen11

Yes having information to show how many classes are qued in for the specific dungeon would be helpful in making decisions.

ForsakenSin wrote: »

Every time when i want to que in the specific dungeon its just waiting game, sometimes 30 min sometimes over 1 hr, get bored and do something else or log out, now i understand you can say , get some friends to run it with you OR ask the guilds which i do but most of them are doing something else and also that defeats the purpose of dungeon finder, so what i think we need is this.

WHAT we need is a que in numbers , so lets say you want to do a specific dungeon, on top of the icons for class rolls you can see how many people are qued for that specific dungeon and are waiting as Tank As healer As DPS, so this would give you idea if that specific dungeon is dead and nobody is quing in OR if they are waiting for DPS or Tank ect in which case you can switch your class and join it. I just don't like the fact in waiting.... and waiting.... and waiting.... there not knowing if the que in dungeon is empty , or im waiting in que Or if dungeon finder is broken and im just wasting my time

What do you thing? would you like to have this information available to you ?

Yes. This would be a great idea. The game is dwindling down, and I have 5 near full guilds that never do anything, so I have to use the dungeon finder. It would be so helpful for me to see what roles are queued for what dungeons and how many people are queued, so I could see whether queuing for something would just be a waste of time or not.

While discussing the subject of QoL fixes and additions, there are several other QoL addons that are badly needed. Having something that lets you know the average, lowest, and highest price of items in a zone and in the game as well as other trading QoL additions are desperately needed. UI fixes and a host of other issues need to be addressed, too. The only reason I don't go to PC is because I'm not going to waste my time having to raise up another set of characters to the extremely grindy level of 810.

The fact that QoL addons aren't available for download on consoles is absolutely terrible. This type of fundamental stuff being absent from console versions of the game makes ZOS appear to not care one bit about us lowly "console peasants".

Regardless, I only want QoL addons. I don't want any cheating addons. No exploits.

I also don't want addons that make the game easier. The console version of ESO presents far more of a challenge than PC when the PC game is filled with combat-help addons. I like challenge. So just the desperately needed QoL addons would be good. Like what you have recommended.

I wish there was an easy way for ZOS to understand how much these types of fixes and QoL changes would benefit the game.

Glurin

I think we all know that the problem is simply that there aren't enough tanks and healers to go around. It's not that there aren't people lining up for these dungeons.

BigBragg

Update 24 arriving on October 21st wil have a whole new queue system that has been built from the ground up for both dungeons and battle grounds.

ShellaSunshine

If you're grinding a particular dungeon, it's best to wait until that dungeon is a pledge.

That way when you choose that specific dungeon, the queue times are way shorter and you can hit that dungeon multiple times in a single session.

That's what I do.

redspecter23

Yes having information to show how many classes are qued in for the specific dungeon would be helpful in making decisions.

A simple set of numbers for how many are in the current queue would help. Might be a bit convoluted when it has to track each individual dungeon queue as well as the wild card random, and group sizes from 1 to 3 but some indicator would be nice. Yes, tanks and healers are going to pop faster, but knowing how much faster would be very valuable information.

FierceSam

Is having that information actually going to be helpful?

If the numbers are ‘good’, then your queue will pop quickly. And knowing the numbers was unnecessary.

If the numbers are ‘bad’, will knowing them enable you to do a particular dungeon any faster? Or modify your decision to queue? I can’t see this encouraging more people to queue, so it’s only going to have a negative effect.

Right now, you queue and go off and do something else until your queue pops. Would knowing that the current ETA for a DD is, say, 15 minutes or more do anything other than encourage yet more fake tank/healer behaviour?

There seems no genuine benefit in doing this.

As always, the single best way to avoid Group Finder/dungeon issues is to form your own group, either with friends, guildies or in zone. Queuing doesn’t prevent you from doing any of this. The Group Finder is really just a last ditch way to help you do this if everything else fails.

Grianasteri

Just que up and shut up Or find some friends while your at it.

BigBragg wrote: »

Update 24 arriving on October 21st wil have a whole new queue system that has been built from the ground up for both dungeons and battle grounds.

Oh that is interesting! Any link to the infoloids?

I wonder how it will be improved/changed...

mocap

Yes having information to show how many classes are qued in for the specific dungeon would be helpful in making decisions.

some stuff to do while waiting que:
- craft dailies (run finder first ofcuz)
- craft writs
- harvest resources
- steal stuff
- kill worldboss
- and imo the best one: do some non dlc dungeon solo on normal, it's not that challenging, but harder so as more enjoyable than regular overland for sure

sad we have no global chat for LFG, though most of dungeons LFG is in Gartwood, Deshaan and Stormhaven.

Huyen

Other: an average waitingtime for dps based on the laat 10 groups or so would be nice. At least then you can decide wheter or not the wait is worth it.

Royaji

Nope its fine as it is.

Do you really need to see that there are 0/3/over9000 tanks/healers/DDs in the queue?

You want a quick queue? Go in on a tank. This always works. Except after that you are at the mercy of your average 10k DPS groupfinder DD. And people ask why tanks don't want to touch the GF?

virtus753

Grianasteri wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

Update 24 arriving on October 21st wil have a whole new queue system that has been built from the ground up for both dungeons and battle grounds.

Oh that is interesting! Any link to the infoloids?

I wonder how it will be improved/changed...

Per the PTS, the front end UI will be exactly the same. They’ve rewritten the backend in order to fail less often under load.

It still had some issues when they tried to do a stress test on the PTS, but they’ve had time to work on it since then.

The fact that they didn’t make any UI changes suggests that they’re happy with its current look and feel, so as much as I would love to see numbers, we shouldn’t expect that for next patch. Hopefully in the future, though.

zaria

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

If you're grinding a particular dungeon, it's best to wait until that dungeon is a pledge.

That way when you choose that specific dungeon, the queue times are way shorter and you can hit that dungeon multiple times in a single session.

That's what I do.

This, you get better groups this way too.

Now an estimate of queue length makes some sense.
In my experience dd queue for vet dungeons is 12-15 minutes.
Grouping up two DD also makes the queue shorter.

peacenote

Nope its fine as it is.

My first reaction was that this would be helpful but honestly I do this already, and I think adding numbers to this will only make the experience more negative.

For the dungeons where it is already difficult to find people, having it up on a billboard that no one is queuing will discourage those of us that still do. But queuing for pledges or as a tank is always the fastest way to find a group, so if those choices are negotiable for you, this can be decided without a dashboard.

At times I'll queue for ten minutes as a DPS, expecting it NOT to pop, and if it does, great, but if it doesn't, I'll switch roles.

If the Dungeon Finder is broken the community should be told and you can usually tell from the zone chat chatter.

Araneae6537

Nope its fine as it is.

I’m fine with it as is. I usually queue with a fellow guildie but I have also queued solo, even as DPS for a specific dungeon. It did take longer, yes, but not egregious and I wasn’t expecting it to take less than 10 minutes. But if you are queuing for a specific dungeon that isn’t part of the latest DLC or a pledge, then I wouldn’t expect many people to be queuing for it specifically and don’t need the LFG to tell me this. I know you don’t want to hear it again, but I’ve queued with guildies for dungeons one of us needed armor from and then it usually comes up fairly quickly. If no one in your guild(s) is ever doing dungeons when you are, perhaps run a few randoms and you’ll find some people to add as friends for dungeon runs.

ivanakamarkus

Yes having information to show how many classes are qued in for the specific dungeon would be helpful in making decisions.

yes please

ForzaRammer

Nope its fine as it is.

Royaji wrote: »

Do you really need to see that there are 0/3/over9000 tanks/healers/DDs in the queue?

You want a quick queue? Go in on a tank. This always works. Except after that you are at the mercy of your average 10k DPS group finder DD. And people ask why tanks don't want to touch the GF?

Indeed, what need to done is give tanks and healers more incentive, like double xp double drop.
At the same time, give low output DD less incentive, display message like:
'to ensure other players have a decent experience, plz que vet only if you have a respectable dps'

mairwen85

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Do you really need to see that there are 0/3/over9000 tanks/healers/DDs in the queue?

You want a quick queue? Go in on a tank. This always works. Except after that you are at the mercy of your average 10k DPS group finder DD. And people ask why tanks don't want to touch the GF?

Indeed, what need to done is give tanks and healers more incentive, like double xp double drop.
At the same time, give low output DD less incentive, display message like:
'to ensure other players have a decent experience, plz que vet only if you have a respectable dps'

'respectable dps' lol, can you imagine that popping up?

Xeroxed

Yes having information to show how many classes are qued in for the specific dungeon would be helpful in making decisions.

It's certainly useful for solo DPS methinks to have such information given the state of things, though the root of the queue wait time issues is too few tanks and healers so I think ultimately everyone would be better served if more people sucked it up and played in those roles (which I know are thankless and often get crapped on by more oblivious players). On the same day, same time, even when queueing for something popular like the day's pledges, DPS queue time is like 30 min +, but when I queue my tank I practically insta-queue into a party. I pretty much never queue as a DPS anymore unless my bae is with me as a tank or healer.

Canned_Apples

Nope its fine as it is.

I booted a "healer" yesterday because he was running a SnB, DW and, most importantly, not healing. I could've tanked, healed, and dpsed, but that's not the role I singed up for.
I rather three-man a dungeon than be with some that tries to bypass the queue.

ThePlayer

Yes having information to show how many classes are qued in for the specific dungeon would be helpful in making decisions.

Yes, coz in this way ZOS can understand that they have to change the special reward for pull more players in the vet dugeons, especially the dlc dungeons.

Delta1038

Yes having information to show how many classes are qued in for the specific dungeon would be helpful in making decisions.

Until reading this I admit I really never thought about the wait times for some players, that would really suck. Considering I almost exclusively play as a healer/support build, even solo PvE, my wait times have usually been very short. But having never done dps or even tanking, I can see why it would get tiresome as I suspect most people play as dps. I do think OP is right, some more details to give players about wait times and numbers would make it easier to determine if it is even staying slotted in the waiting list.

Delta1038

Yes having information to show how many classes are qued in for the specific dungeon would be helpful in making decisions.

Canned_Apples wrote: »

I booted a "healer" yesterday because he was running a SnB, DW and, most importantly, not healing. I could've tanked, healed, and dpsed, but that's not the role I singed up for.
I rather three-man a dungeon than be with some that tries to bypass the queue.

I do so hate when people refuse to play the role they have slotted to do, I have seen that mostly with tanks as I am a dedicated support player but it is still infuriating all the same.

redlink1979

You need to group up with someone (friend/guild mate/random player in zone chat): tool finder prioritizes groups instead of individuals...

ForzaRammer

Nope its fine as it is.

mairwen85 wrote: »

ForzaRammer wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

Do you really need to see that there are 0/3/over9000 tanks/healers/DDs in the queue?

You want a quick queue? Go in on a tank. This always works. Except after that you are at the mercy of your average 10k DPS group finder DD. And people ask why tanks don't want to touch the GF?

Indeed, what need to done is give tanks and healers more incentive, like double xp double drop.
At the same time, give low output DD less incentive, display message like:
'to ensure other players have a decent experience, plz que vet only if you have a respectable dps'

'respectable dps' lol, can you imagine that popping up?

yes

zaria

ErinM31 wrote: »

I’m fine with it as is. I usually queue with a fellow guildie but I have also queued solo, even as DPS for a specific dungeon. It did take longer, yes, but not egregious and I wasn’t expecting it to take less than 10 minutes. But if you are queuing for a specific dungeon that isn’t part of the latest DLC or a pledge, then I wouldn’t expect many people to be queuing for it specifically and don’t need the LFG to tell me this. I know you don’t want to hear it again, but I’ve queued with guildies for dungeons one of us needed armor from and then it usually comes up fairly quickly. If no one in your guild(s) is ever doing dungeons when you are, perhaps run a few randoms and you’ll find some people to add as friends for dungeon runs.

If you farm gear, especially bis level gear its much better to do this with guild as they are more willing to give away stuff to guild mates, again pledge dungeons are easier to get people for if you are willing to do all 2-3.

Donny_Vito

Yes having information to show how many classes are qued in for the specific dungeon would be helpful in making decisions.

zaria wrote: »

ErinM31 wrote: »

I’m fine with it as is. I usually queue with a fellow guildie but I have also queued solo, even as DPS for a specific dungeon. It did take longer, yes, but not egregious and I wasn’t expecting it to take less than 10 minutes. But if you are queuing for a specific dungeon that isn’t part of the latest DLC or a pledge, then I wouldn’t expect many people to be queuing for it specifically and don’t need the LFG to tell me this. I know you don’t want to hear it again, but I’ve queued with guildies for dungeons one of us needed armor from and then it usually comes up fairly quickly. If no one in your guild(s) is ever doing dungeons when you are, perhaps run a few randoms and you’ll find some people to add as friends for dungeon runs.

If you farm gear, especially bis level gear its much better to do this with guild as they are more willing to give away stuff to guild mates, again pledge dungeons are easier to get people for if you are willing to do all 2-3.

Yeah it seems there are some user-friendly tips for the DF: go with guildmates or premade groups, queue for the dungeons that are pledges, and try to stick with the same people from the first dungeon as it'll reduce the time to queue for the next one. And then there is the not-so-user-friendly tactic that we've all probably done at some point: queue as a fake tank/healer role. While I think releasing the data to the public would be interesting to look at, I don't think releasing the information will reduce the problem of people queuing for a fake role.

AhPook_Is_Here

Nope its fine as it is.

The answer is simple

There are 0 tanks waiting in queue.

There are very few healers waiting in queue, they are waiting for the first tank.

There are many DD's waiting for the queue. The only thing you need is DD in front of you, because the rest isn't relevant nor is the class break down.

idk

I would answer the poll but it really gives very limited responses of yea great or no and shut up so I will merely reply.

Considering we know it is tanks and healers we wait for yet we choose to not perform those roles I seriously doubt that knowing we are actually waiting for a tank or healer makes any difference at all. The idea sounds like it would be helpful but in the end it solves nothing.

The best solution is have an alt build for the support role. I have done this with every single character I have had in an MMORPG where it is easy to spec to a different role. Even when I run with friends it make things so much easier and this is even better for running dungeons. In ESO this is extremely easy and every class can perform all roles well enough for any dungeon.