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Should pvp character alliance restriction be removed, since there is faction lock now?
Lyserus
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I don't see the reason to keep restricting characters to their starting alliance, since we got faction lock now
Characters should be allowed to choose which side to fight for before they join in a campaign
The benefits for removing the alliance restriction is plain and simple, but a great one: You can play any character of yours (with different builds) with your friends in any alliance, as long as you all pick the same alliance during the duration of that campaign.
With any race any alliance we can already use all race in all alliance anyway, so say playing a khajiit for DC campaign is not something new
Players with a strong sense of alliance pride would still be supporting their own alliance anyway
And with faction lock for campaigns, players cannot switch to another side for the duration of campaign, and their other alliance characters would be useless during that campaign in that pvp server anyway
Edited by Lyserus on September 27, 2019 7:04AM Characters should be allowed to choose which side to fight for before they join in a campaign
The benefits for removing the alliance restriction is plain and simple, but a great one: You can play any character of yours (with different builds) with your friends in any alliance, as long as you all pick the same alliance during the duration of that campaign.
With any race any alliance we can already use all race in all alliance anyway, so say playing a khajiit for DC campaign is not something new
Players with a strong sense of alliance pride would still be supporting their own alliance anyway
And with faction lock for campaigns, players cannot switch to another side for the duration of campaign, and their other alliance characters would be useless during that campaign in that pvp server anyway
Should pvp character alliance restriction be removed, since there is faction lock now? 79 votes
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NayNews alert. Faction lock has been only for specific campaigns and with the new update there will be 2 30 day CP campaigns, one locked and one unlocked.
So your premise is false.8 -
BigBragg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭NayThere is still a nonlocked Cyrodiil and two Imperial City instances. Therefore, it still has a place in the game.5 -
Lyserus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭AyeThere is still a nonlocked Cyrodiil and two Imperial City instances. Therefore, it still has a place in the game.
Still I don't see how allowing player to play any build they have in any alliance is a bad thing
Not to mention with upcoming mount stamina nerf it would be more difficult to level a new character's mount for pvp..so make a new character with same build just to play with friend is troublesome1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nay
Wow, you agree your premise is false yet you fail to see how without a foundation the idea crumbles. Starting and closing your argument with false statements seems to be the caption of a bad idea that was not thought through very well.3 -
Lyserus✭✭✭✭✭
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Wow, you agree your premise is false yet you fail to see how without a foundation the idea crumbles. Starting and closing your argument with false statements seems to be the caption of a bad idea that was not thought through very well.
I see you are the kind of people who loves word plays
Even if faction lock is not applied for all pvp servers, removal of alliance restriction can still be a good thing, for servers with no faction lock, you only need to add a restriction that a character cannot switch faction mid campaign to make it work1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
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Wow, you agree your premise is false yet you fail to see how without a foundation the idea crumbles. Starting and closing your argument with false statements seems to be the caption of a bad idea that was not thought through very well.
I see you are the kind of people who loves word plays
Even if faction lock is not applied for all pvp servers, removal of alliance restriction can still be a good thing, for servers with no faction lock, you only need to add a restriction that a character cannot switch faction mid campaign to make it work
You saying it is a good thing does not make it a good thing. Talk about word play. If that is your most compelling reason the idea should be supported then it still seems to lack a foundation.
Besides, it is nothing more than an attempt to get around that Zos does not want a faction change so the idea is probably DOA from the start.3 -
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✭✭NayThe only kind of faction change that I would agree to would be one time only, and as an optional reward for completing cadwell's gold. It's the only way I see to avoid all the technical difficulties involved in a switch like that (harbourage locations, potentially incomplete alliance questlines etc.)
But in no way should you be able to swap a particular toon multiple times, even for campaign duration. This isn't some fps title. Your choices are supposed to mean something in an MMORPG. I hate using lore as a reason, but this would be lore shattering.
We will have equal CP locked and unlocked campaigns now, which is wonderful. No need for anything else."It is a lovely language, but it takes a very long time saying anything in it, because we do not say anything in it, unless it is worth taking a long time to say, and to listen to." - Treebeard0 -
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✭NayI don't see the reason to keep restricting characters to their starting alliance, since we got faction lock now
Characters should be allowed to choose which side to fight for before they join in a campaign
Any alliance is a DLC mate for creating characters from different races to an alliance.
Is not for creating characters on different alliances which you can do even without the DLC.
And even if I have it, none of my 14 characters is a turncoat.
FOR THE DOMINION!!!!!!Edited by p_tsakirisb16_ESO on September 27, 2019 8:44AM3 -
leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭AyeGreat idea, i have some characters on other factions just sitting there useless because most of my characters are on DC.
Also great becase my current faction has turned into the super zergy, taking empty map at 4am kind of faction full of pugs so it would be nice to take all of my characters in another faction so I can actually find fights.PS4 EU DC
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I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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leepalmer95✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭AyeSiohwenoeht wrote: »The only kind of faction change that I would agree to would be one time only, and as an optional reward for completing cadwell's gold. It's the only way I see to avoid all the technical difficulties involved in a switch like that (harbourage locations, potentially incomplete alliance questlines etc.)
But in no way should you be able to swap a particular toon multiple times, even for campaign duration. This isn't some fps title. Your choices are supposed to mean something in an MMORPG. I hate using lore as a reason, but this would be lore shattering.
We will have equal CP locked and unlocked campaigns now, which is wonderful. No need for anything else.
Lore became irrelvant with One tamriel so it's pointless bringing it up for that.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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BigBragg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Nay
You only brought up faction lock as the counter to the issue, and as I previously pointed out, that doesn't exist everywhere. This whole you didn't read when people don't agree with you is such a lazy way to forum.3 -
Agenericname✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭AyeSiohwenoeht wrote: »The only kind of faction change that I would agree to would be one time only, and as an optional reward for completing cadwell's gold. It's the only way I see to avoid all the technical difficulties involved in a switch like that (harbourage locations, potentially incomplete alliance questlines etc.)
But in no way should you be able to swap a particular toon multiple times, even for campaign duration. This isn't some fps title. Your choices are supposed to mean something in an MMORPG. I hate using lore as a reason, but this would be lore shattering.
We will have equal CP locked and unlocked campaigns now, which is wonderful. No need for anything else.
I believe that you can use any harborage now. As far as I know the alliance quest lines are the same whether or not you're part of that faction. I have a character that started questing in a different faction because I play with a friend from that faction. The story starts off a little strange because you have to go to the other area, it doesn't flow well, but the way we start in the latest chapter doesn't either.
Your choices should mean something, however, for many those choices were made when faction lock was not a thing. As it stands, I have characters on 3 different factions. If I wish to PvP in a faction locked campaign, which I'm fine with faction lock, I have 2 choices for 3 alliances.
I don't think that a one time swap is unreasonable. It's also not that big of a deal to me either, but given a choice I'd prefer it.
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✭AyeFactions on the character creation screen are near useless. I'm sure most don't pay attention to it, I only PVP and I know I don't at all.
Here's the thing.. why still have faction on character creation? Most won't spawn at the faction start when making a new character they'll start at the new dlc zone/chapter.
My thoughts, when you enter Cyrodiil it should say pick a faction for this toon for the next x days (of campaign) for faction lock once you pick, that's the faction you are for the time. Honestly faction pride died in one tamriel.Daggerfall Covenant:Casterial Stamplar || Casterial DK || Availed NB || Castyrial Sorc || Spooky Casterial Necro
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Naftal✭✭✭✭✭Aye
You only brought up faction lock as the counter to the issue, and as I previously pointed out, that doesn't exist everywhere. This whole you didn't read when people don't agree with you is such a lazy way to forum.
If you think that OP is saying to let people change their faction mid siege, it's obvious you didn't read.
When you join a campaign, you can choose your faction for the character in that campaign. Faction lock still exists. There is no possibility to change your faction mid siege.0 -
darkblue5✭✭✭✭✭ZOS already pretty much confirmed that they won't code that because it is too hard for the reward. They'd rather kill faction lock.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NayZOS already pretty much confirmed that they won't code that because it is too hard for the reward. They'd rather kill faction lock.
I agree that Zos has said they are not interested in providing means to change faction (OP's idea is merely trying to work around that).
However, they are not killing faction lock. It was not an absolute to begin with and their main reason for providing the choice is people asked for it which means it makes sense that we would have a real choice with the 2-30 day campaigns to choose from. Many of us against bringing back faction lock always felt offering the choice for those who wanted it was a good idea. Seems that would work both ways.1 -
peacenote✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »The only kind of faction change that I would agree to would be one time only, and as an optional reward for completing cadwell's gold.
Having this be a potential reward for Cadwell's gold (and/or silver) is a really cool idea imo.
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joseayalac✭✭✭✭✭Ayeyes please! those alliance logos on my character selection screen make my ocd go nuts0 -
BigBragg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Nay
You only brought up faction lock as the counter to the issue, and as I previously pointed out, that doesn't exist everywhere. This whole you didn't read when people don't agree with you is such a lazy way to forum.
If you think that OP is saying to let people change their faction mid siege, it's obvious you didn't read.
When you join a campaign, you can choose your faction for the character in that campaign. Faction lock still exists. There is no possibility to change your faction mid siege.
And when people pay to quit a campaign then join again?1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NayPlease dont attack the base Lore. Yes i play Khajiit in the Pact but i understand i would be a special case in the Lore since Elsweyr isnt in the Pact. I just dont want the story to just be removed to enable more player convenience.CP2,000 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - The Clan
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Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NayThey would need to adjust some of the PvE side quests to accommodate this as well. When you can remember to consider that point, I'll consider voting something different.0 -
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✭✭✭✭I see no harm in allowing any character to declare for any faction in the alliance war, provided there is a reasonable cooldown in time.*
However, this strikes me as an large developer time suck that's really doesn't solve a problem. The problems Cyro needs solving most are performance first, second and third, and fourth, fostering multiple playstyles beyond zerging from keep. Those four (two) things will help return players to Cyrodiil and support multiple healthy, populated campaigns and people can play the rulesets they prefer instead of choosing between empty and laggy.
* I haven't a shred of faction pride and even I don't want the circus of people trying to prove their leetness by emping on the same character on multiple factions in the same campaign.0 -
Blinkin8r✭✭✭✭✭AyeI don't think they're refusing to give characters an alliance swap option because they just don't want to. There are quite a few things that go behind a character being in a specific alliance.
1: Where you start the game/spawn in in PVE and PVP.
2: Alliance related dialogue.
3: Death walls: this is a big one. Enemy alliance gates have death walls everywhere (IC and Cyrodiil). Take it from someone who will hop along a wall for hours just for the thrill of getting somewhere they're not supposed to be.
3: Character's alliance rank symbol color.
4: Alliance specific furnishings unlocked by ranking up in Cyrodiil.
These are just the issues I could think of in 5 mins. I'm sure there are more. Your request is not a simple one.II Blinkin II
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Varana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭AyeNews alert. Faction lock has been only for specific campaigns and with the new update there will be 2 30 day CP campaigns, one locked and one unlocked.
So your premise is false.
That would be an argument if there were an unlocked no-CP campaign. There isn't, though, so the OP's argument stands.
IC doesn't count, IC sucks.Edited by Varana on September 27, 2019 11:08PM0
