ClaSs IdEntify

usmguy1234

VixxVexx wrote: »

I swear there are several punching animations in the game, are there not?
Just make it a melee ability like Whip, give it a cool punching animation. Rename the morph to something like Poison Jab and make it do some burst Poison Damage every third cast. That way you can align the burst with Leap or something similar. The Poison Damage would also help proc Combustion.

Like this?

redlink1979

With standardization and the nerf/increasing cost of class abilities, identity was thrown thru the window.

Now every class tends to use the same abilities...

Balancing, they say...

red_emu

Well summarised but what for? ZOS does not and hardly ever did take player feedback into account, so what you see on PTS now is final. You will not change their mind.

usmguy1234

red_emu wrote: »

Well summarised but what for? ZOS does not and hardly ever did take player feedback into account, so what you see on PTS now is final. You will not change their mind.

The roll backs on multiple skills last pts after negative feedback from players gives me some hope.

LuxLunae

The fact that Dottz and Fengrush want stun/knockback back on dizzy swing tells me they don't give a *** about class identity..

Read this post..and see how I stripped my class identity for dizzy swing..
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/492936/for-all-crying-about-dizzying-swing/p1

usmguy1234

LuxLunae wrote: »

The fact that Dottz and Fengrush want stun/knockback back on dizzy swing tells me they don't give a *** about class identity..

Read this post..and see how I stripped my class identity for dizzy swing..
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/492936/for-all-crying-about-dizzying-swing/p1

Imagine playing a class in pvp that doesn't have a proper/practical class cc. Imagine losing one of the few options you had from weapon skill lines to be replaced with throwing a poop rock that costs 20k resources for a stun. At least dks got the poop rock. A few of the others didn't get so lucky.

Sahidom

LuxLunae wrote: »

The fact that Dottz and Fengrush want stun/knockback back on dizzy swing tells me they don't give a *** about class identity..

Read this post..and see how I stripped my class identity for dizzy swing..
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/492936/for-all-crying-about-dizzying-swing/p1

Maybe the video gives an insight on what really goes on in their meetings.

D-swing weapon skill is more important than class skill development. I get why they don't want it changed; but how will not changing the skill further the discussion on developing class identity - which is on the to-do list for ZOS?

usmguy1234

Sahidom wrote: »

LuxLunae wrote: »

The fact that Dottz and Fengrush want stun/knockback back on dizzy swing tells me they don't give a *** about class identity..

Read this post..and see how I stripped my class identity for dizzy swing..
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/492936/for-all-crying-about-dizzying-swing/p1

Maybe the video gives an insight on what really goes on in their meetings.

D-swing weapon skill is more important than class skill development. I get why they don't want it changed; but how will not changing the skill further the discussion on developing class identity - which is on the to-do list for ZOS?

It's nothing to do with dswing being more important than class identity... it's just that it was infinitely better in its live state than the proposed change for supposed "class identity." Seriously 20k resources for a stun? What about alternatives for the other specs that relied heavily on dswing for crowd control?

crazywolfpusher

I think the effect is debatable. The animation... not so much. Looks bad and it doesnt fit the current ways people play stam dk...
A big heavy armored warrior doing leaps and using claws while breathing poison.... and then you just... throw a ugly rock.. nah

What could make it more tolerable keeping the original theme of Earthen Heart line is change the animation, and why not use Obsidian Shield/Ash Cloud animation (the stomp part of it)
A strong stomp onto the ground craking the earth



And instead of throwing rocks like an earthbender... create a fissure.. and from the fissure... comes poison gas?
in the process change the animation for the healer morph because doesnt make any sense heal by throwing rocks tbh...

ZarkingFrued

Mu class identifies as every other class.

Kuramas9tails

That video made me cringe. Not in the sense you are thinking but more or less the content or lack thereof.

Not that I am trying to devalue the opinion of a change to a class but this forum post feels more like the equivalent of a facebook post that is nothing but song lyrics.

usmguy1234

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

That video made me cringe. Not in the sense you are thinking but more or less the content or lack thereof.

Not that I am trying to devalue the opinion of a change to a class but this forum post feels more like the equivalent of a facebook post that is nothing but song lyrics.

Your post ironically did the same for me.

ZOS_RogerJ

Remember, it’s okay and very normal to disagree with others, and even to debate, but provoking conflict, baiting, inciting, mocking, etc. is never acceptable in the official The Elder Scrolls Online community. If you do not have something constructive or meaningful to add to a discussion, we strongly recommend you refrain from posting in that thread.

Canned_Apples

LuxLunae wrote: »

The fact that Dottz and Fengrush want stun/knockback back on dizzy swing tells me they don't give a *** about class identity..

Read this post..and see how I stripped my class identity for dizzy swing..
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/492936/for-all-crying-about-dizzying-swing/p1

they want the stun back because it's ez-mode against most builds/classes. Nothing new.
Aside from snipeblades- no stam build that anyone has posted uses anything other than D-swing... that speaks volumes, no?

barney2525

Wow

All this vitriol over one single skill?

I'm so confused

usmguy1234

barney2525 wrote: »

Wow

All this vitriol over one single skill?

I'm so confused

Well, whether it was intended or not that skill is a slap to the face. I never really intended this conversation to be completely about dks either. A lot of other specs relied on weapon cc's to be relevant that have slowly been gutted over time. I don't think I have to explain why not having access to a decent cc in pvp is game breaking, especially for solo/small scale players.

Kel

usmguy1234 wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

Wow

All this vitriol over one single skill?

I'm so confused

Well, whether it was intended or not that skill is a slap to the face. I never really intended this conversation to be completely about dks either. A lot of other specs relied on weapon cc's to be relevant that have slowly been gutted over time. I don't think I have to explain why not having access to a decent cc in pvp is game breaking, especially for solo/small scale players.

Exactly this.

Well said and worth quoting.

karekiz

Active Earthern Mastery

When active whenever you Light attack you bring the core of earth around you. Once this reaches 5 stacks when you activate again each rock explodes sending shards doing "X" damage to your target. Duration <15?> Seconds.

Good enough for sorcs.

yRaven

Seeing Dotzz talking about DK on PTS makes me feels bad, i don't even play with DK, but i know how Dotzz likes it... just sad bro

usmguy1234

Kel wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

Wow

All this vitriol over one single skill?

I'm so confused

Well, whether it was intended or not that skill is a slap to the face. I never really intended this conversation to be completely about dks either. A lot of other specs relied on weapon cc's to be relevant that have slowly been gutted over time. I don't think I have to explain why not having access to a decent cc in pvp is game breaking, especially for solo/small scale players.

Exactly this.

Well said and worth quoting.

Thank you!

Austinseph1

MEMEFIST ACTIVATE

KillsAllElves

usmguy1234 wrote: »

KillsAllElves wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

KillsAllElves wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

KillsAllElves wrote: »

The stonefist rework has to be on of the dumbest things zo$ implemented. That is just beyond stupid.

As far as this notion that classes are lacking identity is ridiculous and shows how truly ignorant players are.

With the exception of necromancer and warden, they both seem confused on what theyre supposed to be.

Not apples to apples. It's one thing to play a class that never really had an identity to begin with versus one who was truly unique and has been nerfed to utter mediocrity.

The Dk has class identity. The problem is stupid nerfs and reworks. Still the word identity is misused and misunderstood, players really should come up with a better argument.

Like I said before, gaining and losing identity are two different things. There are definitely more than a few specs trying to hold onto what little they have left of their former identities.

Trying to have every class able to fill any role is beyond stupid..

each class should have a specific role and should stick to their roles. Thats class identity.

See you've moved onto a different subject entirely. Anyways having a unique class identity =/= homogenized goo that zos is trying to make every class. It means well defined roles that it can do better than any other class. That doesn't mean the other classes can't do that role, they just aren't as optimal/ efficient at it.

You clearly missed the point.

Juhasow

usmguy1234 wrote: »

LuxLunae wrote: »

The fact that Dottz and Fengrush want stun/knockback back on dizzy swing tells me they don't give a *** about class identity..

Read this post..and see how I stripped my class identity for dizzy swing..
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/492936/for-all-crying-about-dizzying-swing/p1

Imagine playing a class in pvp that doesn't have a proper/practical class cc. Imagine losing one of the few options you had from weapon skill lines to be replaced with throwing a poop rock that costs 20k resources for a stun. At least dks got the poop rock. A few of the others didn't get so lucky.

Umm fossilize ?

GeorgeBlack

Juhasow wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

LuxLunae wrote: »

The fact that Dottz and Fengrush want stun/knockback back on dizzy swing tells me they don't give a *** about class identity..

Read this post..and see how I stripped my class identity for dizzy swing..
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/492936/for-all-crying-about-dizzying-swing/p1

Imagine playing a class in pvp that doesn't have a proper/practical class cc. Imagine losing one of the few options you had from weapon skill lines to be replaced with throwing a poop rock that costs 20k resources for a stun. At least dks got the poop rock. A few of the others didn't get so lucky.

Umm fossilize ?

Once upon a time?

usmguy1234

KillsAllElves wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

KillsAllElves wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

KillsAllElves wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

KillsAllElves wrote: »

The stonefist rework has to be on of the dumbest things zo$ implemented. That is just beyond stupid.

As far as this notion that classes are lacking identity is ridiculous and shows how truly ignorant players are.

With the exception of necromancer and warden, they both seem confused on what theyre supposed to be.

Not apples to apples. It's one thing to play a class that never really had an identity to begin with versus one who was truly unique and has been nerfed to utter mediocrity.

The Dk has class identity. The problem is stupid nerfs and reworks. Still the word identity is misused and misunderstood, players really should come up with a better argument.

Like I said before, gaining and losing identity are two different things. There are definitely more than a few specs trying to hold onto what little they have left of their former identities.

Trying to have every class able to fill any role is beyond stupid..

each class should have a specific role and should stick to their roles. Thats class identity.

See you've moved onto a different subject entirely. Anyways having a unique class identity =/= homogenized goo that zos is trying to make every class. It means well defined roles that it can do better than any other class. That doesn't mean the other classes can't do that role, they just aren't as optimal/ efficient at it.

You clearly missed the point.

The feeling is mutual.

Kalante

The new ult cast time delay is already a joke in itself.

usmguy1234

Juhasow wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

LuxLunae wrote: »

The fact that Dottz and Fengrush want stun/knockback back on dizzy swing tells me they don't give a *** about class identity..

Read this post..and see how I stripped my class identity for dizzy swing..
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/492936/for-all-crying-about-dizzying-swing/p1

Imagine playing a class in pvp that doesn't have a proper/practical class cc. Imagine losing one of the few options you had from weapon skill lines to be replaced with throwing a poop rock that costs 20k resources for a stun. At least dks got the poop rock. A few of the others didn't get so lucky.

Umm fossilize ?

Yeah good luck keeping that and volatile up on a stamdk.

daedalusAI

ZOS_RogerJ wrote: »

Remember, it’s okay and very normal to disagree with others, and even to debate, but provoking conflict, baiting, inciting, mocking, etc. is never acceptable in the official The Elder Scrolls Online community. If you do not have something constructive or meaningful to add to a discussion, we strongly recommend you refrain from posting in that thread.

Does ZOS even adhere to those enforced standards? The PTS forum is a barren wasteland in terms of ZOS feedback.

On topic: ESO is going the way of WoW BfA in terms of class identity = homogenization and simplification, that way ZOS has fewer values to tweak when attempting to balance the game.

Juhasow

usmguy1234 wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

LuxLunae wrote: »

The fact that Dottz and Fengrush want stun/knockback back on dizzy swing tells me they don't give a *** about class identity..

Read this post..and see how I stripped my class identity for dizzy swing..
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/492936/for-all-crying-about-dizzying-swing/p1

Imagine playing a class in pvp that doesn't have a proper/practical class cc. Imagine losing one of the few options you had from weapon skill lines to be replaced with throwing a poop rock that costs 20k resources for a stun. At least dks got the poop rock. A few of the others didn't get so lucky.

Umm fossilize ?

Yeah good luck keeping that and volatile up on a stamdk.

Oh no using magicka based abilities on stamina characters in PvP. How new and unconvetnional. By the same logic You can say to stamblade "yeah good luck keeping shade up while also using fear and cloak". Using magicka abilities on stam setups is nothing new many classes have ben doing it for years now and dk is actually one of the better classes for that since ultis restore him also magicka. Also when it comes to fossilize it's very decent stun since it can never fail to stun someone so You wont waste magicka.

usmguy1234

daedalusAI wrote: »

ZOS_RogerJ wrote: »

Remember, it’s okay and very normal to disagree with others, and even to debate, but provoking conflict, baiting, inciting, mocking, etc. is never acceptable in the official The Elder Scrolls Online community. If you do not have something constructive or meaningful to add to a discussion, we strongly recommend you refrain from posting in that thread.

Does ZOS even adhere to those enforced standards? The PTS forum is a barren wasteland in terms of ZOS feedback.

On topic: ESO is going the way of WoW BfA in terms of class identity = homogenization and simplification, that way ZOS has fewer values to tweak when attempting to balance the game.

Honestly, they are balancing the game backwards. Homogenization should be done during beta testing. Identity should be added through patches/dlc/etc. Also seeing skill potency adjustments greater than +/- 5 to 10% are just ludicrous.