Ban mods and add-ons on computer to make better gameplay and fairness across the board!

p4l4mu7

Unfair advantage? Since when consoles and pc are in competition, you are clearly looking for attention

Somber97866

Well if you don't use add-ons than it's obvious I'm not referring to you but all you other ppl..........cheaters! Why are the scores higher on leaderboards? Why are the parses higher. Why are ppl I know ( who couldn't complete the vet content on console ) going to computer and doing higher DPS ( with there mods ) and completing the same content they couldn't on console?

Alienoutlaw

Somber97866 wrote: »

Well if you don't use add-ons than it's obvious I'm not referring to you but all you other ppl..........cheaters! Why are the scores higher on leaderboards? Why are the parses higher. Why are ppl I know ( who couldn't complete the vet content on console ) going to computer and doing higher DPS ( with there mods ) and completing the same content they couldn't on console?

higher performance, smoother rotations with less delay, higher (much much higher) Fps, specialised gaming equipment (mouse keyboard ect) should i go on?

Avrael

Somber97866 wrote: »

Well if you don't use add-ons than it's obvious I'm not referring to you but all you other ppl..........cheaters! Why are the scores higher on leaderboards? Why are the parses higher. Why are ppl I know ( who couldn't complete the vet content on console ) going to computer and doing higher DPS ( with there mods ) and completing the same content they couldn't on console?

Because theyre using mouse and keyboard which is much easier to play this game with.

I cant even take you serious right now.

Jeremy

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

If it's a combat related add-on or mod ( excluding combat metrics ) it needs to banned as cheating bc it gives other platforms and unfair advantage.

We found something to semi agree on.

This is not going to be a popular position. But yeah - I would support banning addons. Not just the combat-related ones though. But all of them - and especially your combat metrics. I would also make it a permanent ban no questions asked if you were caught using macros (that's cheating and you won't convince me otherwise).

In my opinion: addons do more harm than good. Aside from the obvious advantages they give over other players - they also contribute to designer dependency. Developers are slow to enact needed features when an addon does it for them. The Guild Trader situation is a great example of that - where you are reliant on addons for what should be basic functions like an in-game price history. Then there is all the added bugs, performance issues etc. that go along with them. It's just a mess and I would prefer games not allow them.

could not disagree more, consoles got multi crafting and guild store searching as a direct result of it being available on pc and the fact it worked well, as for combat addons there are NONE that give ANY advantage to the player other than cues for mechanics in dungeons or enhanced UI info.
time for a change of meds i think

"Change my meds" Really? You're actually going to suggest I'm under the influence of medication simply because I disagree with you about addons?

I would tell you what I think about you in return. But I better just keep that to myself in the interest of abiding by this forum's rather strict guide lines. ^^

not at all just a figure of speech

Well if you didn't really mean it then ok. Because I hope we can agree that two people can disagree about addons without one of them having to be doped up.

idk

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

If it's a combat related add-on or mod ( excluding combat metrics ) it needs to banned as cheating bc it gives other platforms and unfair advantage.

We found something to semi agree on.

This is not going to be a popular position. But yeah - I would support banning addons. Not just the combat-related ones though. But all of them - and especially your combat metrics. I would also make it a permanent ban no questions asked if you were caught using macros (that's cheating and you won't convince me otherwise).

In my opinion: addons do more harm than good. Aside from the obvious advantages they give over other players - they also contribute to designer dependency. Developers are slow to enact needed features when an addon does it for them. The Guild Trader situation is a great example of that - where you are reliant on addons for what should be basic functions like an in-game price history. Then there is all the added bugs, performance issues etc. that go along with them. It's just a mess and I would prefer games not allow them.

could not disagree more, consoles got multi crafting and guild store searching as a direct result of it being available on pc and the fact it worked well, as for combat addons there are NONE that give ANY advantage to the player other than cues for mechanics in dungeons or enhanced UI info.
time for a change of meds i think

"Change my meds" Really? You're actually going to suggest I'm under the influence of medication simply because I disagree with you about addons?

I would tell you what I think about you in return. But I better just keep that to myself in the interest of abiding by this forum's rather strict guide lines. ^^

not at all just a figure of speech

It would seem to be a figure of speech that is clearly an attack on the person, suggesting their meds are impacting their central capacity and is why they do not their way to agree with your amazing intellect.

Personal attacks to minimize the other person is a sign of a weak argument on the person casting the disparaging remark.

Alienoutlaw

Somber97866 wrote: »

So you computer ppl have mods that do your dps for you and mods that show mechanics before they happen ( cheating)

could you by any chance tell us the addon that "does dps for me" because to my knowledge (and its quite extensive) there is not one currently nor would it EVER be allowed by ZOS (whom by the way control ALL access to servers) that addons have

Alienoutlaw

Jeremy wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

If it's a combat related add-on or mod ( excluding combat metrics ) it needs to banned as cheating bc it gives other platforms and unfair advantage.

We found something to semi agree on.

This is not going to be a popular position. But yeah - I would support banning addons. Not just the combat-related ones though. But all of them - and especially your combat metrics. I would also make it a permanent ban no questions asked if you were caught using macros (that's cheating and you won't convince me otherwise).

In my opinion: addons do more harm than good. Aside from the obvious advantages they give over other players - they also contribute to designer dependency. Developers are slow to enact needed features when an addon does it for them. The Guild Trader situation is a great example of that - where you are reliant on addons for what should be basic functions like an in-game price history. Then there is all the added bugs, performance issues etc. that go along with them. It's just a mess and I would prefer games not allow them.

could not disagree more, consoles got multi crafting and guild store searching as a direct result of it being available on pc and the fact it worked well, as for combat addons there are NONE that give ANY advantage to the player other than cues for mechanics in dungeons or enhanced UI info.
time for a change of meds i think

"Change my meds" Really? You're actually going to suggest I'm under the influence of medication simply because I disagree with you about addons?

I would tell you what I think about you in return. But I better just keep that to myself in the interest of abiding by this forum's rather strict guide lines. ^^

not at all just a figure of speech

Well if you didn't really mean it then ok. Because I hope we can agree that two people can disagree about addons without one of them having to be doped up.

i have removed that part of my post and yes ppl can disagree

Alienoutlaw

idk wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

If it's a combat related add-on or mod ( excluding combat metrics ) it needs to banned as cheating bc it gives other platforms and unfair advantage.

We found something to semi agree on.

This is not going to be a popular position. But yeah - I would support banning addons. Not just the combat-related ones though. But all of them - and especially your combat metrics. I would also make it a permanent ban no questions asked if you were caught using macros (that's cheating and you won't convince me otherwise).

In my opinion: addons do more harm than good. Aside from the obvious advantages they give over other players - they also contribute to designer dependency. Developers are slow to enact needed features when an addon does it for them. The Guild Trader situation is a great example of that - where you are reliant on addons for what should be basic functions like an in-game price history. Then there is all the added bugs, performance issues etc. that go along with them. It's just a mess and I would prefer games not allow them.

could not disagree more, consoles got multi crafting and guild store searching as a direct result of it being available on pc and the fact it worked well, as for combat addons there are NONE that give ANY advantage to the player other than cues for mechanics in dungeons or enhanced UI info.
time for a change of meds i think

"Change my meds" Really? You're actually going to suggest I'm under the influence of medication simply because I disagree with you about addons?

I would tell you what I think about you in return. But I better just keep that to myself in the interest of abiding by this forum's rather strict guide lines. ^^

not at all just a figure of speech

It would seem to be a figure of speech that is clearly an attack on the person, suggesting their meds are impacting their central capacity and is why they do not their way to agree with your amazing intellect.

Personal attacks to minimize the other person is a sign of a weak argument on the person casting the disparaging remark.

i understand how it came across was not intended and has been removed and everyone is friends again

The_Lex

To anyone in this debate: if you're exclusively on console, then add-ons don't apply to you. It's a non issue and you should have no say in what PC players use. If you want a say, get a PC and play with and without add-ons. Then meaningfully contribute.

I played on PC, left the game, came back on console launch, and then switched to PC.

p00tx

Eh, if people need crutches to play, let 'em. We still complete the same content and get nearly the same leaderboard scores and hit almost the same dps without them on console, so they're not giving them THAT big of an advantage. I think it's just more for convenience or the luxury of being a little more lazy (and this is supposed to be a fun game, so laziness isn't necessarily a bad thing in this case). I have to admit that I'd use some of them if they were ever released on console (I have a PC account and have had the chance to play with them, and they are rather nice).

Casterial

Somber97866 wrote: »

If it's a combat related add-on or mod ( excluding combat metrics ) it needs to banned as cheating bc it gives other platforms and unfair advantage.

LOL /thread

starkerealm

Jeremy wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

I would also make it a permanent ban no questions asked if you were caught using macros (that's cheating and you won't convince me otherwise).

Macros are prohibited, and a violation of ToS. You can get banned for macroing or botting.

Jeremy wrote: »

In my opinion: addons do more harm than good.

And that's where you're completely, and irrevocably, wrong.

I'm shocked there are people who think I'm wrong about this. I never saw it coming.

But I said my peace and stand by it. Feel free to think I'm wrong if you like. But there is no point in debating it because I'm not going to convince you and you aren't going to convince me.

If there is no point in debating it, then why post it on the forums? A place specifically intended for, you know, debate.

zaria

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

If it's a combat related add-on or mod ( excluding combat metrics ) it needs to banned as cheating bc it gives other platforms and unfair advantage.

We found something to semi agree on.

This is not going to be a popular position. But yeah - I would support banning addons. Not just the combat-related ones though. But all of them - and especially your combat metrics. I would also make it a permanent ban no questions asked if you were caught using macros (that's cheating and you won't convince me otherwise).

In my opinion: addons do more harm than good. Aside from the obvious advantages they give over other players - they also contribute to designer dependency. Developers are slow to enact needed features when an addon does it for them. The Guild Trader situation is a great example of that - where you are reliant on addons for what should be basic functions like an in-game price history. Then there is all the added bugs, performance issues etc. that go along with them. It's just a mess and I would prefer games not allow them.

The game is barely playable without add-ons. Many players would quit if they removed them.

Having to wait years on the devs to fix basic QOL issues is how you get players to leave a game.

This. Now They could selected for not allowing addons from the start.

This would have forced some more focus on QoL and UI and would benefit console users.
So yes we would get the multi craft feature earlier.
Perhaps some other popular addons like dressing room.

No lazy writ crafter, mini map or combat metric. However we would never had them.
Removing them at this time would be devastating far more damaging to player count and bottom line than the upcoming nerfs as it would hit the causal majority to.

starkerealm

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

Well if you don't use add-ons than it's obvious I'm not referring to you but all you other ppl..........cheaters! Why are the scores higher on leaderboards? Why are the parses higher. Why are ppl I know ( who couldn't complete the vet content on console ) going to computer and doing higher DPS ( with there mods ) and completing the same content they couldn't on console?

higher performance, smoother rotations with less delay, higher (much much higher) Fps, specialised gaming equipment (mouse keyboard ect) should i go on?

So clearly, we should ask for all PC users to be banned, because of mouse and keyboard... Also because we have PTS access, and that clearly gives an unfair advantage. Oh and don't forget we get content drops two weeks before consoles, that must be cheating!

Alienoutlaw

starkerealm wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

Well if you don't use add-ons than it's obvious I'm not referring to you but all you other ppl..........cheaters! Why are the scores higher on leaderboards? Why are the parses higher. Why are ppl I know ( who couldn't complete the vet content on console ) going to computer and doing higher DPS ( with there mods ) and completing the same content they couldn't on console?

higher performance, smoother rotations with less delay, higher (much much higher) Fps, specialised gaming equipment (mouse keyboard ect) should i go on?

So clearly, we should ask for all PC users to be banned, because of mouse and keyboard... Also because we have PTS access, and that clearly gives an unfair advantage. Oh and don't forget we get content drops two weeks before consoles, that must be cheating!

my post was in answer to a question, maybe you should have read that to get the context before assuming a standpoint i have not taken

mairwen85

Grow up

starkerealm

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

Well if you don't use add-ons than it's obvious I'm not referring to you but all you other ppl..........cheaters! Why are the scores higher on leaderboards? Why are the parses higher. Why are ppl I know ( who couldn't complete the vet content on console ) going to computer and doing higher DPS ( with there mods ) and completing the same content they couldn't on console?

higher performance, smoother rotations with less delay, higher (much much higher) Fps, specialised gaming equipment (mouse keyboard ect) should i go on?

So clearly, we should ask for all PC users to be banned, because of mouse and keyboard... Also because we have PTS access, and that clearly gives an unfair advantage. Oh and don't forget we get content drops two weeks before consoles, that must be cheating!

my post was in answer to a question, maybe you should have read that to get the context before assuming a standpoint i have not taken

@Alienoutlaw I was directing the sarcasm at @Jeremy, sorry if it seemed like I was mocking you.

Alienoutlaw

starkerealm wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

Well if you don't use add-ons than it's obvious I'm not referring to you but all you other ppl..........cheaters! Why are the scores higher on leaderboards? Why are the parses higher. Why are ppl I know ( who couldn't complete the vet content on console ) going to computer and doing higher DPS ( with there mods ) and completing the same content they couldn't on console?

higher performance, smoother rotations with less delay, higher (much much higher) Fps, specialised gaming equipment (mouse keyboard ect) should i go on?

So clearly, we should ask for all PC users to be banned, because of mouse and keyboard... Also because we have PTS access, and that clearly gives an unfair advantage. Oh and don't forget we get content drops two weeks before consoles, that must be cheating!

my post was in answer to a question, maybe you should have read that to get the context before assuming a standpoint i have not taken

@Alienoutlaw I was directing the sarcasm at @Jeremy, sorry if it seemed like I was mocking you.

ah no problem

Somber97866

On top of the gamer keyboards, mouses and fps you have ...........wait for it .........ADD-ONS !

Somber97866

So how can my fellow core teammate ( on console ) hit 85k on the iron atronach but hit ( on computer bc of the add-on that auto casts light attacks after each ability) hits 96k?
RIDDLE ME THAT!

Alienoutlaw

Somber97866 wrote: »

On top of the gamer keyboards, mouses and fps you have ...........wait for it .........ADD-ONS !

you still have not answered as to which addon are you referring to specifically?

mairwen85

Somber97866 wrote: »

So how can my fellow core teammate ( on console ) hit 85k on the iron atronach but hit ( on computer bc of the add-on that auto casts light attacks after each ability) hits 96k?
RIDDLE ME THAT!

Sounds like a macro (such an add on would be immediately called out and certainly taken down on esoui). You can macro console controllers too with a little know how

We had a conversation similar to this a few weeks back where someone linked a few urls and a vid showing where to buy controller adapters to do just this.

Alienoutlaw

mairwen85 wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

So how can my fellow core teammate ( on console ) hit 85k on the iron atronach but hit ( on computer bc of the add-on that auto casts light attacks after each ability) hits 96k?
RIDDLE ME THAT!

Sounds like a macro. You can macro console controllers too with a little know how

We had a conversation similar to this a few weeks back where someone linked a few urls and a vid showing where to buy controller adapters to do just this.

i have to agree, this is an exploit and ALL macros are against ToS this is NOT an addon

Agenericname

Somber97866 wrote: »

So how can my fellow core teammate ( on console ) hit 85k on the iron atronach but hit ( on computer bc of the add-on that auto casts light attacks after each ability) hits 96k?
RIDDLE ME THAT!

Wait, so your teammate is running an illegal macro and you want to ban writ crafter?

mairwen85

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

So how can my fellow core teammate ( on console ) hit 85k on the iron atronach but hit ( on computer bc of the add-on that auto casts light attacks after each ability) hits 96k?
RIDDLE ME THAT!

Sounds like a macro. You can macro console controllers too with a little know how

We had a conversation similar to this a few weeks back where someone linked a few urls and a vid showing where to buy controller adapters to do just this.

i have to agree, this is an exploit and ALL macros are against ToS this is NOT an addon

I’m sure the ‘friend’ wouldn’t be using macros /s

starkerealm

Somber97866 wrote: »

So how can my fellow core teammate ( on console ) hit 85k on the iron atronach but hit ( on computer bc of the add-on that auto casts light attacks after each ability) hits 96k?
RIDDLE ME THAT!

That is a macro, it's a violation of ToS, and can get you banned.

An addon that counts your light attacks, and can help you get a rhythm down is fine, but one that does it for you is verboten.

rotaugen454

I use an add-on (Waze) in real life to get directions on my phone instead of memorizing my route. I’m cheating at life!

Alienoutlaw

mairwen85 wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

So how can my fellow core teammate ( on console ) hit 85k on the iron atronach but hit ( on computer bc of the add-on that auto casts light attacks after each ability) hits 96k?
RIDDLE ME THAT!

Sounds like a macro. You can macro console controllers too with a little know how

We had a conversation similar to this a few weeks back where someone linked a few urls and a vid showing where to buy controller adapters to do just this.

i have to agree, this is an exploit and ALL macros are against ToS this is NOT an addon

I’m sure the ‘friend’ wouldn’t be using macros /s

lol i'm sure they are "not"

StormeReigns

Agenericname wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

So how can my fellow core teammate ( on console ) hit 85k on the iron atronach but hit ( on computer bc of the add-on that auto casts light attacks after each ability) hits 96k?
RIDDLE ME THAT!

Wait, so your teammate is running an illegal macro and you want to ban writ crafter?

The OP was trying to Ban subtitle add-ons bout 6months ago, and actually was one of the few to get Thurisaz Color Blind add-on discontinued despite ESO not actually having a proper color blind mode. So obviously their friend isn't the issue using macros - but clearly to the OP all add-ons are work of the daedric princes.