Ban mods and add-ons on computer to make better gameplay and fairness across the board!

Dusk_Coven

They should keep TTC. The data collected on the TTC website seems a good way to find gold sellers posting sales of garbage items priced in the millions.

SFDB

The fact other people take the bus does not convince me it's unfair I have a car to take me straight to my house after work.

VaranisArano

Somber97866 wrote: »

So auto light attack casting, auto casting abilities when the timer runs out and pre mechanic warnings are ok?

A. Anything that does light attacks for you is a macro and not allowed. That's been stated numerous times this thread.

B. Anything that casts abilities for you is also a macro and still not allowed.

C. ZOS allows pre-mechanic warnings and, despite knowing those addons exist, hasn't changed the API for PVE. They did change it in PVP to prevent prior knowledge of stealth attacks, so its certainly something they could alter if they wanted to. Apparently, they don't. Maybe you should take a hint.

Dusk_Coven

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

consoles got multi crafting and guild store searching as a direct result of it being available on pc

Maybe but it was also silly of ZOS not to have implemented these.
I mean, you give someone a Crafting Bag that holds tens of thousands of a mat. And you seriously expect them to refine 10 units at a time? Seriously?

Available on PC or not, it was way overdue.

blnchk

Elder Scrolls without mods? Blasphemy!

OP, if you want to advocate for the removal of all addons, at least be thorough and don't in the same breath ask to keep the ones you yourself find useful.

mairwen85

VaranisArano wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

So auto light attack casting, auto casting abilities when the timer runs out and pre mechanic warnings are ok?

A. Anything that does light attacks for you is a macro and not allowed. That's been stated numerous times this thread.

B. Anything that casts abilities for you is also a macro and still not allowed.

C. ZOS allows pre-mechanic warnings and, despite knowing those addons exist, hasn't changed the API for PVE. They did change it in PVP to prevent prior knowledge of stealth attacks, so its certainly something they could alter if they wanted to. Apparently, they don't. Maybe you should take a hint.

Beat me to it. This was discussed and clearly stated to OP on previous pages -- guess they'd rather ignore that to drive forward their agenda.

Stebarnz

Dusk_Coven wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

consoles got multi crafting and guild store searching as a direct result of it being available on pc

Maybe but it was also silly of ZOS not to have implemented these.
I mean, you give someone a Crafting Bag that holds tens of thousands of a mat. And you seriously expect them to refine 10 units at a time? Seriously?

Available on PC or not, it was way overdue.

So... you agree, could have just said that!

Add ons make the game better for everyone, they can bring a positive change, the odd negative one slips through but higher percentage positive.

Royaji

Somber97866 wrote: »

So auto light attack casting, auto casting abilities when the timer runs out

Except no addon can do this.

Somber97866 wrote: »

pre mechanic warnings are ok?

Those are indeed allowed, so yes.

ZOS_RogerJ

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Agenericname

mairwen85 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

So auto light attack casting, auto casting abilities when the timer runs out and pre mechanic warnings are ok?

A. Anything that does light attacks for you is a macro and not allowed. That's been stated numerous times this thread.

B. Anything that casts abilities for you is also a macro and still not allowed.

C. ZOS allows pre-mechanic warnings and, despite knowing those addons exist, hasn't changed the API for PVE. They did change it in PVP to prevent prior knowledge of stealth attacks, so its certainly something they could alter if they wanted to. Apparently, they don't. Maybe you should take a hint.

Beat me to it. This was discussed and clearly stated to OP on previous pages -- guess they'd rather ignore that to drive forward their agenda.

I feel like "Brawndo" is the answer

mairwen85

Agenericname wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

So auto light attack casting, auto casting abilities when the timer runs out and pre mechanic warnings are ok?

A. Anything that does light attacks for you is a macro and not allowed. That's been stated numerous times this thread.

B. Anything that casts abilities for you is also a macro and still not allowed.

C. ZOS allows pre-mechanic warnings and, despite knowing those addons exist, hasn't changed the API for PVE. They did change it in PVP to prevent prior knowledge of stealth attacks, so its certainly something they could alter if they wanted to. Apparently, they don't. Maybe you should take a hint.

Beat me to it. This was discussed and clearly stated to OP on previous pages -- guess they'd rather ignore that to drive forward their agenda.

I feel like "Brawndo" is the answer

It's got what plants need

idk

Somber97866 wrote: »

Well if you don't use add-ons than it's obvious I'm not referring to you but all you other ppl..........cheaters! Why are the scores higher on leaderboards? Why are the parses higher. Why are ppl I know ( who couldn't complete the vet content on console ) going to computer and doing higher DPS ( with there mods ) and completing the same content they couldn't on console?

LOL. calling out those on the leaderboard cheaters. Wow, that is essentially calling out entire guilds as cheaters since top raid groups are part of top guilds.

BTW, those players that top the leaderboard do so because they because they put the time and effort into improving their game play as individuals and as a group. Even without addons they would still top the leaderboard because they are just that good.

I am not suggesting everyone else is bad and should feel bad. We all have different interests in the game and most of us just do not want to spend the time honing our rotations and trying to figure out how to get just a little more damage out of our characters and that is perfectly fine.

But I am saying that calling them cheaters because they put some serious effort into becoming a better player is patently absurd.

mairwen85

This is still my favorite bit of the whole thread so far:

Somber97866 wrote: »

If it's a combat related add-on or mod ( excluding combat metrics ) it needs to banned as cheating bc it gives other platforms and unfair advantage.

Why not combat metrics specifically? If anything, not being able to see your dps is the biggest disadvantage console players have. Not being able to measure and analyse your parse to tweak it and improve it.

yRaven

*Laughing in Raid Notifier*

Okay

mairwen85

yRaven wrote: »

*Laughing in Raid Notifier*

Okay

Nerf laughing!!

idk

Somber97866 wrote: »

So auto light attack casting, auto casting abilities when the timer runs out and pre mechanic warnings are ok?

@Somber97866

No addon can help with LA casting.

Also, pre-mechanic warnings are clearly acceptable since Zos has allowed access to them. Zos determines what is accessible and what is not. They make adjustments pretty much every update. That means Zos blesses that the addons that give a warning for a mechanic as legitimate. That also means calling them cheating is categorically false.

InvictusApollo

Somber97866 wrote: »

If it's a combat related add-on or mod ( excluding combat metrics ) it needs to banned as cheating bc it gives other platforms and unfair advantage.

Looks like someone posted before checking their facts. Shamefull.

Somber97866

Go to Asiangod parsing videos for the light attack mod and alcast used the ADR mod? And the pre mechanic warning mod is such a crutch! It's cheating in my book!

mairwen85

Somber97866 wrote: »

Go to Asiangod parsing videos for the light attack mod and alcast used the ADR mod? And the pre mechanic warning mod is such a crutch! It's cheating in my book!

It's @t3hasiangod, and I'm sure he'll love the accusations.

Please provide a link to the specific video you're referencing.

ADR mod:
https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1536-ActionDurationReminder.html

It doesn't auto cast or auto swap, it gives visual feedback to help you time and indicates when you've mis-timed your swap. It shows the remaining time per ability cast too. These help the player, they don't automate the player.

https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/1443/~/where-can-i-see-what-buffs/debuffs-are-active?

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Edit to add:

You still haven't answered why you don't include combat metrics in your list of morally repugnant addons.

idk

Somber97866 wrote: »

Go to Asiangod parsing videos for the light attack mod and alcast used the ADR mod? And the pre mechanic warning mod is such a crutch! It's cheating in my book!

@Somber97866 Action duration does not help with LAs. It just lets you know when a skill of extended duration is ending. It does nothing to cast an LA. You are grasping at straws without understanding the basics of what you are even trying to say.

It does not matter how many times you call these things cheating you are completely wrong. You do not make the definition of what is cheating no matter how much you think something is. So calling these things cheating is meaningless.

Katahdin

Somber97866 wrote: »

Go to Asiangod parsing videos for the light attack mod and alcast used the ADR mod? And the pre mechanic warning mod is such a crutch! It's cheating in my book!

ZOS wrote the only book that matters

danno8

If they outright banned addons, I would absolutely quit the game.

They could get rid of any combat related ones and I really would not care. Action Duration Reminder is the only one I find very useful, but I could do without it.

The UI, inventory, storage, writ, map, books, skyshards etc... ones though? If they were gone, so would I be.

VaranisArano

Somber97866 wrote: »

And the pre mechanic warning mod is such a crutch! It's cheating in my book!

I have an add-on that gives me a clear visual on the duration and target of my active taunts.

Is that a crutch? Sure. Its not vanilla tanking.
Does that matter? No. Any PC player can use it too, and I'm not competing directly with any console player. ZOS intended for PC players to be able to use allowed API functions to make add-ons.

Is it cheating? Not according to ZOS, who has the actual power to change the API and to ban me if they desire. When you get that power, then your definition of cheating will matter. Until then, it does not.

CMDR_Un1k0rn

OP, with respect, your opinion is meaningless.

Somber97866

Hey I think the Asiangod and Alcast are amazing btw. I just don't think that if ZOS isn't going to take into account that PC has an unfair advantage then the nerfs shouldn't be even across the board.
I don't think player's should be punished. I just think that these instruments that provide unfair gameplay should be outlawed unless we can all have them. Fair is fair.

Somber97866

# Console lives matter #

mairwen85

Somber97866 wrote: »

Hey I think the Asiangod and Alcast are amazing btw. I just don't think that if ZOS isn't going to take into account that PC has an unfair advantage then the nerfs shouldn't be even across the board.
I don't think player's should be punished. I just think that these instruments that provide unfair gameplay should be outlawed unless we can all have them. Fair is fair.

Translation:

bearbelly

Somber97866 wrote: »

Hey I think the Asiangod and Alcast are amazing btw. I just don't think that if ZOS isn't going to take into account that PC has an unfair advantage then the nerfs shouldn't be even across the board.
I don't think player's should be punished. I just think that these instruments that provide unfair gameplay should be outlawed unless we can all have them. Fair is fair.

omg
*headdesk*

The_Lex

mairwen85 wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

Go to Asiangod parsing videos for the light attack mod and alcast used the ADR mod? And the pre mechanic warning mod is such a crutch! It's cheating in my book!

It's @t3hasiangod, and I'm sure he'll love the accusations.

Please provide a link to the specific video you're referencing.

Somber97866 wrote: »

Hey I think the Asiangod and Alcast are amazing btw.

Still waiting for you to back up your accusation.

mairwen85

The_Lex wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

Somber97866 wrote: »

Go to Asiangod parsing videos for the light attack mod and alcast used the ADR mod? And the pre mechanic warning mod is such a crutch! It's cheating in my book!

It's @t3hasiangod, and I'm sure he'll love the accusations.

Please provide a link to the specific video you're referencing.

Somber97866 wrote: »

Hey I think the Asiangod and Alcast are amazing btw.

Still waiting for you to back up your accusation.

And tell us why combat metrics is the only add-on excluded.