PSA about update 24 and the negative response

max_only · September 2019

Huyen wrote: »

Drako_Ei wrote: »

I tried a lot of rotations and setups, and the best that i could do on a magplar was 73k dps with a 100% dynamic rotation.

I hope liko or alcast come up with a better setup i can use because 73k sucks

This is what makes ZoS nerf the crap out of right now. People lime this wanting more dps, and complaining at the same time the game is to easy. This is why we cant have shiny new toys.

Agree.

I can’t even imagine being mad at 73k dps. What are you trying to kill with those numbers? God himself? I’m sure 8-10 people doing 73k dps is more than enough to kill the hardest things in the game.

LadyNalcarya · September 2019

max_only wrote: »

Huyen wrote: »

Drako_Ei wrote: »

I tried a lot of rotations and setups, and the best that i could do on a magplar was 73k dps with a 100% dynamic rotation.

I hope liko or alcast come up with a better setup i can use because 73k sucks

This is what makes ZoS nerf the crap out of right now. People lime this wanting more dps, and complaining at the same time the game is to easy. This is why we cant have shiny new toys.

Agree.

I can’t even imagine being mad at 73k dps. What are you trying to kill with those numbers? God himself? I’m sure 8-10 people doing 73k dps is more than enough to kill the hardest things in the game.

73k on a raid dummy. Said dummy provides you with all raid buffs, it inflates your dps by a lot. It's not like they're pulling 73k unbuffed.

Elwendryll · September 2019

I like how some people say to OP "Are you new? Is it your first patch?" Easy way to spot new/irregular forum users.

We discussed the DoT issue with my group while doing dungeons yesterday. In a game without cooldown, when you have a choice between ability A or ability B, as long as you can sustain, you take the ability that does more damage. So, either Dots do more damage than spammable and you use as many as you can fit on a rotation, or they do less damage than spammable, and you don't use any, except for their utility effect.

We need more combos, more debuffs, more actual synergies between abilities. Effects applied by ability A that will be consumed by and enhance ability B. Effects like Asylum Bow or Maelstrom DW should be more common in base abilities.

I personally had fun while testing unoptimal things on the PTS, like Asylum Bow/Blackrose Bow combo, for a 7K dps virulent shot DoT, or 2H front DW Back (I'll still work on this one, I'm pretty sure I can push it a bit above 70k). I have no issue with the dps being lower, mechanics not being skippable, burn strategies not being viable etc... In fact I'm looking forward to it, BUT, they have to review some achievements/specific fights, to make sure it is possible with a diverse composition. I'm thinking of godslayer obviously, it shouldn't be only possible by stacking necros in the first place. It's hard or just not possible to have an original build/rotation for endgame? fine, but at least let us play the class we want.

AbysmalGhul · September 2019

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Huyen wrote: »

Drako_Ei wrote: »

I tried a lot of rotations and setups, and the best that i could do on a magplar was 73k dps with a 100% dynamic rotation.

I hope liko or alcast come up with a better setup i can use because 73k sucks

This is what makes ZoS nerf the crap out of right now. People lime this wanting more dps, and complaining at the same time the game is to easy. This is why we cant have shiny new toys.

Agree.

I can’t even imagine being mad at 73k dps. What are you trying to kill with those numbers? God himself? I’m sure 8-10 people doing 73k dps is more than enough to kill the hardest things in the game.

73k on a raid dummy. Said dummy provides you with all raid buffs, it inflates your dps by a lot. It's not like they're pulling 73k unbuffed.

That raid dummy is the biggest joke to ever hit ESO

Mannix1958 · September 2019

Drako_Ei wrote: »

I tried a lot of rotations and setups, and the best that i could do on a magplar was 73k dps with a 100% dynamic rotation.

I hope liko or alcast come up with a better setup i can use because 73k sucks

No ...it really doesn't

LadyNalcarya · September 2019

Mannix1958 wrote: »

Drako_Ei wrote: »

I tried a lot of rotations and setups, and the best that i could do on a magplar was 73k dps with a 100% dynamic rotation.

I hope liko or alcast come up with a better setup i can use because 73k sucks

No ...it really doesn't

Well, if they were doing 90-100k before, it's a massive change.
Of course, it won't make their char useless. But imagine someone with 20-30k losing 30% of their damage (probably even more, cause dds with lower dps get more damage from dots than from weaving etc).
Edit: also, 70k on a raid dummy will probably be only around 40k on a 6 mil, especially if sustain is going to be more difficult.

LadyNalcarya · September 2019

AbysmalGhul wrote: »

LadyNalcarya wrote: »

max_only wrote: »

Huyen wrote: »

Drako_Ei wrote: »

I tried a lot of rotations and setups, and the best that i could do on a magplar was 73k dps with a 100% dynamic rotation.

I hope liko or alcast come up with a better setup i can use because 73k sucks

This is what makes ZoS nerf the crap out of right now. People lime this wanting more dps, and complaining at the same time the game is to easy. This is why we cant have shiny new toys.

Agree.

I can’t even imagine being mad at 73k dps. What are you trying to kill with those numbers? God himself? I’m sure 8-10 people doing 73k dps is more than enough to kill the hardest things in the game.

73k on a raid dummy. Said dummy provides you with all raid buffs, it inflates your dps by a lot. It's not like they're pulling 73k unbuffed.

That raid dummy is the biggest joke to ever hit ESO

It has its uses, but it seems like it skews everyone's perception of dps. People on these forums are more dedicated players than the most (considering that you have to contact support to make an account, lol), and still so many seem to believe that everyone's dps really jumped from 40-50k unbuffed to 80k+ when the dummy was introduced.
I mean, of course it increased, but in most cases people don't have 100% uptime of everything.

Dogzey · September 2019

max_only wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

but they may very well take hard data and well reasoned points into consideration.

I got 2 examples at hand that disprove this.

89 pages including copies from their own archives, game pamphlets, and screenshots right on page one They absolutely do not look at hard data and well reasoned points.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/459007/wood-elf-bosmer-losing-stealth-passive-an-open-letter
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/453572/bosmer-racial-change-that-is-illogical-and-unnecessary

And what about Siphoning Attacks, still illogical after all this time? They went ahead and hired this guy but did they change it? No, they are too proud and stubborn.

Relevant demonstration on how important Siphoning Attacks WAS starts at 34 min or 43 min.

https://youtu.be/fK5D32QGsy0

They are too proud. They will never admit mistakes. Artic blast has been returned but they write the dev comment as if they solved a problem. They created that problem.

I’m glad they are proud of their work, it’s not easy. But there’s accomplishment pride and blind pride right off a cliff.

Around 58-59 minutes, Gilliam is preaching about controls in place so you essentially don't go mad and change everything without fixing the problem. Seems a bit hypocritical the game has had the most drastic changes in a row and every patch doesn't fix the problem but adds more.