IC DLC becoming Free this September

Red_Feather

That person's suggestion for Golden Vendor type NPC in imperial city that accepts tel var is really so simple and great an idea!

MasterSpatula

Just gonna say it: I'm nostalgic for the days when IC was unpopular and super-niche. Giving players PVE objectives that other players can interfere with was not a great idea. But the way it used to be, the rare encounter with an enemy NPC kept things interesting, creating a constant sense of danger but without making things too frustrating.

A really hopping IC is a completely different experience. It's probably greater enjoyment for a greater number of people, so it's totally selfish of me to be against it. But it's less fun for me, so there we are.

Darkmage1337

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Just gonna say it: I'm nostalgic for the days when IC was unpopular and super-niche. Giving players PVE objectives that other players can interfere with was not a great idea. But the way it used to be, the rare encounter with an enemy NPC kept things interesting, creating a constant sense of danger but without making things too frustrating.

A really hopping IC is a completely different experience. It's probably greater enjoyment for a greater number of people, so it's totally selfish of me to be against it. But it's less fun for me, so there we are.

So what you're saying is you wish IC had 4+ campaigns, like it used to, instead of 2.
That doesn't have anything to do with it becoming free, though.
ZOS can always add more campaigns/instances, and they usually do during IC Anniversary and Midyear Mayhem PvP events.

Darkmage1337

Red_Feather wrote: »

That person's suggestion for Golden Vendor type NPC in imperial city that accepts tel var is really so simple and great an idea!

Thanks. I have read dozens of threads in the past about IC and the Tel Var Stone system, many active/popular IC players and Tel Var farmers always call for more things to use Tel Var Stones on. As it stands, currently, there are very few options, and not many good choices, to use Tel Var with (compared to gold and Alliance Points).
I think the implementation of an Imperial City weekend Golden Vendor would greatly increase regular player activity in the Imperial City. Players need a reason to go to IC and farm TV. Tel Var in and of itself is not enough of a compelling reason, regardless if one loses Tel Var Stones or not, when there are not that many useful things to purchase with Tel Var Stones.
Tel Var Stones are not a very good currency compared to Alliance Points and Gold. There is not enough that one can do with Tel Var Stones for it to be as useful and sought after as Alliance Points and Gold.
Want Imperial City to be more active, permanently? Then Tel Var Stones need to be made more valuable by increasing their purchasing power. That's my game-designer's eye input, anyways.
What would be the harm in allowing players to purchase monster helms and overland/dungeon sets with Tel Var Stones, anyway? It's just another option. Players can already use AP and gold, which are both far easier to get.

Mr_Walker

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Just gonna say it: I'm nostalgic for the days when IC was unpopular and super-niche.

Be notsalgic no more, it's still unpopular!

MasterSpatula

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

So what you're saying is you wish IC had 4+ campaigns, like it used to, instead of 2.
That doesn't have anything to do with it becoming free, though.

Making it free means more people have access means potentially more people in there.

Reistr_the_Unbroken

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

So what you're saying is you wish IC had 4+ campaigns, like it used to, instead of 2.
That doesn't have anything to do with it becoming free, though.

Making it free means more people have access means potentially more people in there.

Until they get ganked, then they avoid it like the plague.

Red_Feather

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

So what you're saying is you wish IC had 4+ campaigns, like it used to, instead of 2.
That doesn't have anything to do with it becoming free, though.

Making it free means more people have access means potentially more people in there.

Until they get ganked, then they avoid it like the plague.

Especially if the game's bugs and lag and all that are involved. It's frustrating to lose everything.

oddbasket

Game needs to be more accessible. Even if they don't go free, dungeon or zone dlcs over 2 years old need to go into the reduced price category permanently,or split them into cheaper bundled packages.

Mayrael

O_LYKOS wrote: »

Nice i guess for newer players and those who do not sub.

But just another dlc people have paid for in the past and now they're giving it for free. Never a good move imo.

Let's say you paid for early access to fresh brand new shiny thing, now when it got old others may play with it a bit to.

Awesome change!

DaveMoeDee

ShellaSunshine wrote: »

Great... after I just bought it too.

What a waste of money.

They really need to announce things like this more than a month ahead of time.

Sergykid

even people with access there already are avoiding it. It's no fun to lose half of one hour worth of farming in three seconds. Maybe if they reduce the losing to 15%, that'd be better

idk

Blacknight841 wrote: »

Title should read... ESO Plus getting devalued in September.

IC does not add much value to ESO+.

Mayrael

Sergykid wrote: »

even people with access there already are avoiding it. It's no fun to lose half of one hour worth of farming in three seconds. Maybe if they reduce the losing to 15%, that'd be better

It's just more challenging than usual PvE but its also more rewarding. Yesterday by playing there for a 2,5h I have brought to base 40-50k tel vars and these are rookie numbers cause I was PvPing a lot and died twice with 7k on my inv (being lazy is not very good approach there).

The "problem" with IC is that it's not casual friendly, dying there hurts and you can die there very easy though its not as easy as it used to be. I remember my first days there when trash mobs could anihilate you in seconds.

When you get used to IC it becames really addicting

jainiadral

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dagrdagaz_5912 wrote: »

This is going to be 'great', new players getting (repeatedly) ganked, t-bagged, and rage quitting.

Still not going to IC, even they pay me Crowns for it.

LOL, this gift is getting filed in that hidden pile in the corner of the closet filled with Aunt Bertha's scratchy wool Christmas socks

Runkorko

BrianLovesLisa wrote: »

shezof wrote: »

yeah can they give my crowns back that i paid for the DLC,that would be great

fetito666 wrote: »

If I already own that DLC through the Crown Store, will I get crowns back?

You got what you paid for so No.

Then what i`l get for free ?
Because obv won be IC ...

FatFred

Make IC Free Again

Runkorko

Nairinhe wrote: »

O_LYKOS wrote: »

Nice i guess for newer players and those who do not sub.

But just another dlc people have paid for in the past and now they're giving it for free. Never a good move imo.

fetito666 wrote: »

If I already own that DLC through the Crown Store, will I get crowns back?

People, this DLC is four years old, come on

WoW is 15y old. Go play it "for free"

Major_Lag

Sergykid wrote: »

It's no fun to lose half of one hour worth of farming in three seconds. Maybe if they reduce the losing to 15%, that'd be better

Yeah, it either needs to be reduced - but 15% is too low IMO, maybe 25% or so - and/or there needs to be a mechanic that caps telvar gains from player kills depending on how much telvar the attacker is carrying.

It could (should???) be tied to telvar multiplier. For example:

• 1x telvar multiplier - you get 10% of what the victim was carrying,
• 2x multiplier - you get 20%,
• 3x - you get 30%,
• 4x - 40%

aLi3nZ

A lot of hate for IC but its the only reason I sitll play this game. The guild I am part of has IC runs every weekend and its the only reason I am in that guild. Its the only place I make gold. It provides the best lag free PVP experience. Occasionally zerg vs zerg but more often small scale groups or ganking. The dungeons are good and the sewers has center event which I still go and solo from time to time for the challenge and telvar has provided a lot of fun. Also a couple great spots for making gold/telvar and leveling up in the sewers but people like me will occasionally roll through there and take half your stones.

Darkmage1337

PSA: Official Imperial City Anniversary Event news article released.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/56931

"The Imperial Celebration Event begins on Thursday, September 5, at 10:00AM EDT and runs until Monday, September 16, at 10:00AM EDT."

"Lucky for you, beginning in tandem with the event, this DLC game pack will be completely free! That’s right, from now on (and for the foreseeable future), you can acquire the Imperial City DLC game pack for zero crowns from the DLC section of the Crown Store. This includes access to the Imperial City zone and story, including the sewers, city districts, and both the White-Gold Tower and Imperial City Prison dungeons."

Sergykid

Darkmage1337 wrote: »

PSA: Official Imperial City Anniversary Event news article released.

https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/56931

"The Imperial Celebration Event begins on Thursday, September 5, at 10:00AM EDT and runs until Monday, September 16, at 10:00AM EDT."

"Lucky for you, beginning in tandem with the event, this DLC game pack will be completely free! That’s right, from now on (and for the foreseeable future), you can acquire the Imperial City DLC game pack for zero crowns from the DLC section of the Crown Store. This includes access to the Imperial City zone and story, including the sewers, city districts, and both the White-Gold Tower and Imperial City Prison dungeons."

in a way i don't want to get it even for free, because i won't be able to pug vet dungeons anymore (right now i don't have eso+). Getting IC will add those harder dungeons to my queue, which make my daily play harder when they chance to launch on my random dungeon join

SeaGtGruff

idk wrote: »

Blacknight841 wrote: »

Title should read... ESO Plus getting devalued in September.

IC does not add much value to ESO+.

Plus, they've kept increasing the benefits of ESO+. The monthly stipend of crowns has gone up. The number of DLCs you've gotten access to has gone up [with each new DLC that's been released]. You get special deals in the Crown Store. So now one of the oldest DLCs is going to be made available for free and you think it has tanked the value of ESO+?

Jeremy

aLi3nZ wrote: »

A lot of hate for IC but its the only reason I sitll play this game. The guild I am part of has IC runs every weekend and its the only reason I am in that guild. Its the only place I make gold. It provides the best lag free PVP experience. Occasionally zerg vs zerg but more often small scale groups or ganking. The dungeons are good and the sewers has center event which I still go and solo from time to time for the challenge and telvar has provided a lot of fun. Also a couple great spots for making gold/telvar and leveling up in the sewers but people like me will occasionally roll through there and take half your stones.

That's probably why you like it then. Because you run it with a guild. Most of the people in this thread I see praising the zone are part of PvP guilds who actively participate in the zone. So they have back up and aren't made into easy prey for every opportunistic ganker or zerg that wanders their way.

For soloers though - or even small groups - it can be a hellish experience where you're routinely and unfairly slaughtered with the combined pleasure of watching your stones vanish and line the pockets of some jerk who is currently tea bagging your dead face. In fairness to your post - you do allude to this.

I just think it's important newer players understand what they are getting themselves in for. I strongly urge those who have never gone to Imperial City before and who are looking forward to this event to consider looking for a group or a guild to do the event with. You'll have a better time if you do believe me.

turlisley

ESO is an MMORPG. Like PvP? Join a guild, socialize, and learn to play nicely with others.
Dislike PvP? Don't ever enter Cyrodiil, The Imperial City, or Battlegrounds.

This thread isn't about morals and ethics and values and opinions of what one thinks IC PvPvE is or should be.
Besides, everyone on each platform, megaserver, faction, and time zone / time of day will all have their own unique experience.

Reistr_the_Unbroken

turlisley wrote: »

Dislike PvP? Don't ever enter Cyrodiil, The Imperial City, or Battlegrounds.

Cool, so the people who dislike it will never go in those areas again because 1. We can buy tickets and 2. Free tv from daily

turlisley

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

turlisley wrote: »

Dislike PvP? Don't ever enter Cyrodiil, The Imperial City, or Battlegrounds.

Cool, so the people who dislike it will never go in those areas again because 1. We can buy tickets and 2. Free tv from daily

We don't need any more petty PvE'ers complaining and crying about The Imperial City's design.
If you don't like it, then don't participate.
It's that simple.

SeaGtGruff

Well, I don't buy anything in the Crown Store if I can earn it in-game, so I'll be heading to the IC every night.

Reistr_the_Unbroken

turlisley wrote: »

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

turlisley wrote: »

Dislike PvP? Don't ever enter Cyrodiil, The Imperial City, or Battlegrounds.

Cool, so the people who dislike it will never go in those areas again because 1. We can buy tickets and 2. Free tv from daily

We don't need any more petty PvE'ers complaining and crying about The Imperial City's design.
If you don't like it, then don't participate.
It's that simple.

And I gave you reasons why they won’t come, but good luck looking for baby seals to club!

Darkmage1337

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

turlisley wrote: »

Reistr_the_Unbroken wrote: »

turlisley wrote: »

Dislike PvP? Don't ever enter Cyrodiil, The Imperial City, or Battlegrounds.

Cool, so the people who dislike it will never go in those areas again because 1. We can buy tickets and 2. Free tv from daily

We don't need any more petty PvE'ers complaining and crying about The Imperial City's design.
If you don't like it, then don't participate.
It's that simple.

And I gave you reasons why they won’t come, but good luck looking for baby seals to club!

Lol, good luck trying to control others' behavior.