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Calls for single target dots nerf already begun...smh

  • ProbablePaul
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    This whole finger pointing thing gets old :/

    The developers are changing the game and balancing for PvP, because it's a PvP game. Stop blaming people who participate in PvP for changes to the game you don't like. Why not instead formulate a reasonable argument as to why a skill's changes are bad in relation to an example you provide? That's what I see PvPers and PvEers doing, which is more productive than complaining about complaining.
    Tattooo wrote: »
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    pvpers ALWAYS complain and ruin pve fun in the process - why everyone snd their mom wants a seperation between the two groups...but zos keeps pushing it and pushing it until....

    What´re you even saying ruining the fun in PVE ? PVE is *** easy, there´s no challenge in it...

    And if they try to make it challenging, they´ll just add random ass oneshot mechanics or defiles, which aren´t fun : )

    This is a good point... what exactly is being ruined for PvEers by these changes? I noticed some PvE players have mentioned bringing 8 stamcros into trials; do y'all PvE DPS that don't have stamcro leveled have to go level it now? Is that what makes you mad? If so, that has nothing to do with PvP.
    "The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself." - George Bernard Shaw

    Retired until performance issues are addressed.
  • BRogueNZ
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    what was that skill.. ah that's right purge.. :trollface:
    "Having lost so much for the country alliance I love, I'll be damned if I'll ever love any other" possibly misquoted civil war dude
  • Sanctum74
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    BRogueNZ wrote: »
    what was that skill.. ah that's right purge.. :trollface:

    Yes, works so well when you have 15+ status effects on you.

  • MLGProPlayer
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    Why not just add a condition to Battle Spirit that reduces the damage of every additional DoT by 30% or something.

    You can't nerf DoTs in PvE since magicka characters already suck, and a nerf would push them to the point where they can't even complete content anymore.

    This is of course assuming that they are even overtuned and that it isn't just a L2P issue.
    Edited by MLGProPlayer on August 13, 2019 1:21AM
  • MLGProPlayer
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    Tattooo wrote: »
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    pvpers ALWAYS complain and ruin pve fun in the process - why everyone snd their mom wants a seperation between the two groups...but zos keeps pushing it and pushing it until....

    What´re you even saying ruining the fun in PVE ? PVE is *** easy, there´s no challenge in it...

    And if they try to make it challenging, they´ll just add random ass oneshot mechanics or defiles, which aren´t fun : )

    Please share a video of you clearing vSS HM.
  • ShadowProc
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    PVP players will always cry and whine if its not one things its another. Would be nice if ZOS would stop screwing the game for majority of us for the sake of minority.

    Lmao. Screwing up the game? You mean by making it take a little longer to kill mindless zombies? You can’t be serious. PVE literally gets more boring every patch.


  • ShadowProc
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    Tattooo wrote: »
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    pvpers ALWAYS complain and ruin pve fun in the process - why everyone snd their mom wants a seperation between the two groups...but zos keeps pushing it and pushing it until....

    What´re you even saying ruining the fun in PVE ? PVE is *** easy, there´s no challenge in it...

    And if they try to make it challenging, they´ll just add random ass oneshot mechanics or defiles, which aren´t fun : )

    Please share a video of you clearing vSS HM.

    Seriously? So now balance the game around something that probably 1% of the game can do?
  • BRogueNZ
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    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    BRogueNZ wrote: »
    what was that skill.. ah that's right purge.. :trollface:

    Yes, works so well when you have 15+ status effects on you.

    welcome to exaggerators anonymous
    "Having lost so much for the country alliance I love, I'll be damned if I'll ever love any other" possibly misquoted civil war dude
  • Sanctum74
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    BRogueNZ wrote: »
    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    BRogueNZ wrote: »
    what was that skill.. ah that's right purge.. :trollface:

    Yes, works so well when you have 15+ status effects on you.

    welcome to exaggerators anonymous

    New to pvp? It's very common to have your screen filled up with status effects and debuffs, but yeah that cute little purge will save you.

  • therift
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    I thought all the PvErs unsubbed and deleted the game back when Morrowind dropped because the changes to sustain killed the game.

    Y'all had streamers publishing meltdowns and even a 'toon' funeral, lmao.

    Yet here y'all are still playing and still bellyaching, despite dps parses north of 100k and new PvE content to play every 90 days.

    Smdh.


  • BRogueNZ
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    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    BRogueNZ wrote: »
    Sanctum74 wrote: »
    BRogueNZ wrote: »
    what was that skill.. ah that's right purge.. :trollface:

    Yes, works so well when you have 15+ status effects on you.

    welcome to exaggerators anonymous

    New to pvp? It's very common to have your screen filled up with status effects and debuffs, but yeah that cute little purge will save you.

    nothing new about that, it was expected to save me before
    "Having lost so much for the country alliance I love, I'll be damned if I'll ever love any other" possibly misquoted civil war dude
  • Lord_Eomer
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    suuuuuuuuure dots are not OP.....

    only running 4 dots not execute no spammable.

    olumo.png

    U can use anything with low levels players and then end up showing high score run
  • technohic
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    suuuuuuuuure dots are not OP.....

    only running 4 dots not execute no spammable.

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    You clearly are mad you got killed by it sir. Has nothing to do with it being absolutely horrible gameplay.
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  • Alienoutlaw
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    chris211 wrote: »
    good luck adapting when you have 20k entropy's stacking on you totally balanced game play

    you called for the sorc nerf this is the response you cant have it both ways.
    also all classes get nerfed so the perceived OP of single target DoTs is a direct result of those nerfs
    moral of the story careful what you wish for and as i have been told many times in the last 12hrs git gud :)
  • Lord_Eomer
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    chris211 wrote: »
    good luck adapting when you have 20k entropy's stacking on you totally balanced game play

    Seems like L2P issue also OP is again theory crafting!
  • MLGProPlayer
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    ShadowProc wrote: »
    Tattooo wrote: »
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    pvpers ALWAYS complain and ruin pve fun in the process - why everyone snd their mom wants a seperation between the two groups...but zos keeps pushing it and pushing it until....

    What´re you even saying ruining the fun in PVE ? PVE is *** easy, there´s no challenge in it...

    And if they try to make it challenging, they´ll just add random ass oneshot mechanics or defiles, which aren´t fun : )

    Please share a video of you clearing vSS HM.

    Seriously? So now balance the game around something that probably 1% of the game can do?

    Read the quote chain before responding. Thanks.
    Edited by MLGProPlayer on August 13, 2019 3:51AM
  • ZarkingFrued
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    Dude dont you get it? IT WILL NOT STOP UNTIL THE SERVERS ARE SHUT DOWN, and even then someone will run a discussion thread for ppl to cry about nerfs that they think would have saved the game. This community is toxic to its core
  • Cinbri
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    Hard to believe that zos actually standardize things based on pure math when in release patch, which they always says contain no changes to prevent balance switches, they just suddenly give 40% healing buff to Vigor just coz forum warriors triggered. It like dropping in the trash bin 5 weeks of pts tests, ruin intended standardization of Regeneration=Vigor.
    That easily abandoned skill audit just to kite for people whine..
  • Mayrael
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    When nerfing DOTs don't forget to nerf rending slash and poison injection, both are at the same level as entropy/soul trap ;)

    mandricus wrote: »

    I know of more players who have left ESO precisely because every patch is a complete "rebuild your toon from the ground up" experience than any other reason.

    After a patch such as this you need to relearn your class almost entirely, that will most likely require a complete re-gear with new sets, new traits, new glyphs.

    A massive resource and often time investment to do what?
    Get back to being 90% as effective as we were before the patch.
    I'm sorry, that is NOT interesting - it is insulting.

    So true.
    Speaking about myself: 8 fully leveled toon (all the skill points and skill lines needed, undaunted and Psijic included), all with golded gear. I do mostly PvP / battlegrounds.
    1 build (Mag Sorc) was nerfed some patch ago when the shields took the first huge hit. I let it rot because I have other 7 toons to play, so who cares? The others were fine.
    Now this patch, due to the builds / sets I was using, butchered my StamDK, my StamDen and my MagDk. My Magplar took a hit due to the pirate skeleton nerf but i guess it can be ok, I just need to find another monster set. My Stamplar took also a huge hit due to cleansing ritual increased cost. Only 2 are left almost untouched (because of the builds I was using) in a good functional state (Stamblade & Stamsorc). Just this can be enough to consider the idea of quitting the game. Moreover, the idea of having to rebuild from scratch at least 3 of my toons (this makes me so sad, boy I was having lot of fun with them), having to grind again for gear and for mats to gold out everything makes me seriously consider the idea of just quitting the game. I just can't bear such a grind anymore.
    I don't know if someone consider this "horizontal progression" fun. Not me for sure.

    When you run cheese builds what do you expect? My setup is just slightly adjusted every patch and is still ok since... well I can't even remember how long I am using it.

    Dots became suddenly meta especially for mag toons which were starved for this type of skills (stamina classes already had strong bleeds, poisons etc.), if these are going to be nerfed as I mentioned above, don't forget to nerf rending and poison injection to. Then I won't care, you can nerf dots into the ground or leave them as they are, most players will just adapt.
    I am doing my best, but I am not a native speaker, sorry.

  • Runefang
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    Or ZOS could get smart and not listen to the whining.

    I think this forum seriously overestimates how much emphasis is put on the feedback here. I doubt it provides more than a few ideas of what to look into. They'd have a huge array of data from which to identify skills, builds and gear that over perform.
  • MaxJrFTW
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    99% of PvP Nerf Calls could be solved if far more players did one of two things:
    1) Man up and accept sometimes the other guy is just better than you.
    2) L2P

    Then there'd be no need for the Nerf-Go-Round to continue, and maybe they could start fixing genuine bugs and performance issues.


    All The Best

    Took this screenshot from a discord. Does this look like a l2p issue to you?

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    ―Ulrich Leland, 3E 433
  • mandricus
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    suuuuuuuuure dots are not OP.....

    only running 4 dots not execute no spammable.

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    Can I have your build? :smiley:
  • CynicK
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    Is magica that scales different than stamina my stamina characters are fine 10k poison ingection got from the buf but also got the execute nerfed the other magica dots keep at 6k on stam characters more or less what it was and is the sorc the one that got 17k dots but he also hits hard with other things that are not dots.
    Oh and the dk has his dot at 9-10k dot but he has very low weapon damage.
    The thing is everyone will need a purge this patch.
  • Sergykid
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    Time for all cleanse sources to shine

    what is this forum and why i don't like it:
    - complainers that cry without reason and without solution
    - trolls that give cheap or useless answers
    - people giving advice with counters that are not viable
    - bloggers that talk about their day or what they use in game
    - roleplayers that talk about fashion
    - people with solutions or bug reports are ignored
    - people that write walls of text without reason
  • Uryel
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    You do realize that the Nerf-Go-Round would occur even if this were a 100% PVE game and no one complained ever, right?

    Maybe it would, but that would be a rather slow and somewhat sleep-inducing carroussel instead of a crazy-speed dizzying rollercoaster.
    Edited by Uryel on August 13, 2019 8:26AM
    max_only wrote: »
    Bosmers sneaking past all the dangers in the woods. Come upon a cultist doing a ritual? Sneak past. Come upon a brigand ambush? Sneak past. Come upon a mighty beast? Sneak past. The feeling of “yesssss” when you can squeeze by in tight spaces unnoticed. Sometimes I’m able to take what I need from right under their noses.
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