Quite a few threats of ending subs and pvp/pve going to hell. Think we just need to relax and monitor the changes as there is was really no way to do worse than the current pvp meta for example.
This change, which actually introduced magicka damage over time stacking as a viable strategy (where it didnt exist before), where it may actually reduce the ability for every dps class to rock massive sustainability (on all resource pools), where it finally introduces a solid mathematical base to START tuning abilities (why did this take years?!) - is a very good change.
Yes - we may not be able to play the exact same way, but that doesnt matter. I"m looking forward to the upcoming changes, including CP changes, which I hope will introduce more variety and counter meta options, rather than the utterly boring state that has been the meta since release. Who knows, we may even get to a stage where DPS can't keep themselves sustained forever, and attrition dps class/specc/gear setups exist..
Anyways. Not the end of the world, a change in meta is good. I believe ZOS you have a a lot of support but as always, we dont necessarily feel like it's a good idea to engage in forum wars so I hope that is clear. I may not like/support some specific changes, but the general direction I do like. Thanks,
Quite a few threats of ending subs and pvp/pve going to hell.
Priyasekarssk wrote: »Logical fallacies, rage, and personal attacks.
Priyasekarssk wrote: »People always rage when they see something unfair.
Really, cause never in the history of patches has ZoS ever made horrible changes...
WuffyCerulei wrote: »
There's been bad changes, but most of the people who complain are refusing to adjust their builds to the new. It's called change, everyone. I do hate the dot builds the "bigwigs" have made. Screw that, I'm playing the classes the way I want.
Zos tends to pass over threads like this as they usually fail to provide any worthy feedback and are just crying out the sky is falling because there is change. They are just screaming for the sake of screaming.
So we should really just do the same as those threads are probably not worth our time either.
In their defense constructive comments and bug reports are usually ignored as well
Even during PTS phase...
They may have - but not this time.
....rather than the utterly boring state that has been the meta since release...
They may have - but not this time.
Zos tends to pass over threads like this as they usually fail to provide any worthy feedback and are just crying out the sky is falling because there is change. They are just screaming for the sake of screaming.
So we should really just do the same as those threads are probably not worth our time either.
It's my party and I'll cry if I want to~~~
To answer the OP seriously though: there's always issues reported during the PTS cycles: sets over-performing, class imbalances, fight-breaking bugs, which don't get addressed, and then in many cases we have to endure a whole patch with these problems, and just hope the next update will fix things. I think it's come to a point where players got tired of this viscious cycle: they are taking time out of their gaming to test stuff (for free!) for the developers, and see their conclusions being brushed over. It's disappointing to say the least.
Unfortunately that is your subjective opinion.
And I'm right there with you guys on that. Things that are ridiculously over performing (like the early dot stacking issues with certain items or soul-magic dot with oblivion's foe) - That I would agree we should be really vocal about.
What I think many of us are being sensational about it, is the purported change in meta and so-called homogenization. This game has some of the most blatantly homogeneous PvP despite it reigning supreme when it comes to available gear sets, skills and so on. The change is actually decreasing that homogeneity by increasing end-game pvp and pve options, without those options being absolute trash that you couldn't afford to even think about it (like if you played Dot magicka dot specc prior to this patch with anything except maybe 1 or 2 classes).
But I'm 100% with you on the blatant things that need to be addressed in a timely manner.
MashmalloMan wrote: »
I will stand by my point that CP introduces unnecessary normality among all builds with diminishing returns and so much CP that all builds have tiny differences, if the CP power was placed back in classes, 20% stats given to all builds and more Universal Skills were introduced that complimented each class (Spell Crafting) as well as working on in class synergy of passives/skills we wouldn't see anyone complain.
MashmalloMan wrote: »The issue is there are 3 new mag dots that practically replace class skills. If there were more options like 10 to choose from and only 2 worked really well with your class and the class passives only worked well with class abilities (akin to Templar Burning Light Passive) you could fix this issue entirely. There just isn't enough abilities or passive synergy's to direct people in to specific way's of playing that compliment their class identity.
Quite a few threats of ending subs and pvp/pve going to hell. Think we just need to relax and monitor the changes as there is was really no way to do worse than the current pvp meta for example.
This change, which actually introduced magicka damage over time stacking as a viable strategy (where it didnt exist before), where it may actually reduce the ability for every dps class to rock massive sustainability (on all resource pools), where it finally introduces a solid mathematical base to START tuning abilities (why did this take years?!) - is a very good change.
Yes - we may not be able to play the exact same way, but that doesnt matter. I"m looking forward to the upcoming changes, including CP changes, which I hope will introduce more variety and counter meta options, rather than the utterly boring state that has been the meta since release. Who knows, we may even get to a stage where DPS can't keep themselves sustained forever, and attrition dps class/specc/gear setups exist..
Anyways. Not the end of the world, a change in meta is good. I believe ZOS you have a a lot of support but as always, we dont necessarily feel like it's a good idea to engage in forum wars so I hope that is clear. I may not like/support some specific changes, but the general direction I do like. Thanks,