grannas211 wrote: »I guess they dont want to make them good in fear of the "P2W" crowd.
CP is a crutch for people who can’t sustain and want to be "tanky" so they aren’t immediately punished for making mistakes.
IronWooshu wrote: »Where would you slot an Imperial over any of those other races?
With the buffs to Bash glyphs and Necroes existing, that ship has already sailed.
IronWooshu wrote: »Curious to those that rate Imperial over Nord for tanking, how? Even PVP for that matter how? Nearly 4k in resists makes light and medium armor feel like heavy armor. That passive alone in PVP is anything greater than Imperial brings even with 1k more health and 500 more stamina.
With tanking the Nord ultimate gain is greater than anything Imperial brings and is the defacto number 1 race for end game tanking. Argonian sustain is a huge return which can be used to permablock whereas Imperial cant permablock since they need to keep direct damage every 5 seconds in order to even reach Argonian level of sustain.
Many flaws in Imperial tanking to take them over Nord or Argonian.
Magicka Imperial for PVP is interesting but red diamond needs better return and if that makes losing the health return on red diamond to increase stam and mag return, I am all for it.
IronWooshu wrote: »Imperial compared to the other races..
Healers: Breton High Elf and Argonian
Tanks: Nord and Argonian
Magicka DPS: High Elf, Dark Elf, Breton
Stamina DPS: Orc, Redguard, Dark Elf, Khajiit
Where would you slot an Imperial over any of those other races?
Disclaimer that, despite the majority of my tanks being imperial, I don’t personally believe that they’re the best pve tank race, and again, am not in favor of them being the best tank race either. But just some thoughts based on experiences with different builds.
A: in the vast majority of endgame tanking, permablocking is unnecessary and wasteful. So while I grant that argonians can have an advantage over imperials in this regard, I think it’s more indicative of argonians perhaps being the best beginner tank race for those players who don’t know mechanics and want to permablock to be safe. Also, there are a number of other ways to regain stam while blocking including at least one from every class. Sure argonians have a great racial bonus to help with this, but other races can permablock well enough without it if that’s the strategy the player needs to use.
B: Nords have increased resistances and ulti gen but no sustain bonuses iirc. Thus, as a tank, they’re more likely to use a sustain monster set. For races with sustain bonuses that presumably don’t need such a monster set, let’s try out bloodspawn. It’s hard to say exactly what its worth is because its uptime can vary widely depending on the fight conditions. At a perfect, entirely theoretical 100% uptime, it’s far better to use bloodspawn + a sustain race than a Nord + a sustain set. With at least ~60% uptime, your average resistances surpass a nord’s. And with at least 20% uptime, your average ultigen also surpasses a nord’s. A Nord with enough sustain to not need a sustain set could also wear bloodspawn and get better ultigen and resists than either of the other races we’re discussing, although I wouldn’t be surprised if they’re surpassing the resist cap during procs and thus “wasting” set utility (*granted, it’s debatable how much utility the resists actually amount to for pve tanking given the low proc chance).
IronWooshu wrote: »Curious to those that rate Imperial over Nord for tanking, how?
Nord resistances are wasted if you want to use Lord Warden, since you go over the cap.
So red diamond worth a 5pc bonus, like every other 3rd racial.