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7th Legion 5.1.1
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Ajax_22✭✭✭✭✭"Seventh Legion is both proccing and not proccing in areas it shouldn’t be. These will be fixed in a future PTS patch. Note that passives that proc are not considered “Ability casts”."
RIP for stambaldes and stamsorcs. Still a good set for the other classes.
Stamblades: can not proc this set off of the Shadow Barrier passive.
Stamsorcs: Hurricane is a 15 second buff with ramping damage, hitting the hardest the last 5 seconds. This does not synergize with this class as they have to give up Hurrican's highest damage window as well as cast the ability 33% more often resulting in more stamina drain.
What backbar damage set's are left for these classes?
Armor Master/Seventh - Shuffle. Works on all. You're welcome.
I need to try this out. Hadn't thought about that set. Thanks!That doesn't work. Armor Master works like a passive. Checked
Doh! NM. Fantastic coding logic.
Tested this on the PTS. It in fact procs seventh legion.
That's because it hasn't been fixed yet. It's under the known issues section.2 -
MrTtheDK✭✭✭
Image above is from the PTS with Shuffle procing Seventh.Main:
DC- Diablo Azul , Mr T
Alts: Nerf Something or Another
Guild: - Imperial City Police
RIP Guilds: Purple, WKB, Eight Divines, Rage, What Mechanics, Entropy Rising
Game: @TalosSeptim1 -
MrTtheDK✭✭✭I think that is more for how hurricane is procing it. Shuffle increasing armor via armor master seems in line with how seventh's new tool tip reads:
When you cast an ability that increases your Physical or Spell Resistance, you gain 350 Weapon Damage and 350 Health Recovery for 10 seconds. This effect can occur every 10 seconds.
While you have an Armor ability slotted, your Max Health is increased by 5%. When you use an Armor ability, your Physical Resistance and Spell Resistance is increased by 5332 for 10 seconds.Main:
DC- Diablo Azul , Mr T
Alts: Nerf Something or Another
Guild: - Imperial City Police
RIP Guilds: Purple, WKB, Eight Divines, Rage, What Mechanics, Entropy Rising
Game: @TalosSeptim1 -
SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Why does every class needs a way to proc this single set easily and reliably on 100% uptime with no sacrifices out of countless others. What makes 7th legion so special that its put to bigger standard than other sets?2 -
Royalthought✭✭✭✭✭According to the setsWhy does every class needs a way to proc this single set easily and reliably on 100% uptime with no sacrifices out of countless others. What makes 7th legion so special that its put to bigger standard than other sets?
Why is it important to exlude a class is the real question.
All classes having access is called balance.
Its a good thing.2 -
Ajax_22✭✭✭✭✭I think that is more for how hurricane is procing it. Shuffle increasing armor via armor master seems in line with how seventh's new tool tip reads:
When you cast an ability that increases your Physical or Spell Resistance, you gain 350 Weapon Damage and 350 Health Recovery for 10 seconds. This effect can occur every 10 seconds.
While you have an Armor ability slotted, your Max Health is increased by 5%. When you use an Armor ability, your Physical Resistance and Spell Resistance is increased by 5332 for 10 seconds.
It depends on how they code it. Shuffle is not giving you the resistances. Casting Shuffle procs Armor Master which then gives you the resistances.1 -
akray21✭✭✭✭✭Why does every class needs a way to proc this single set easily and reliably on 100% uptime with no sacrifices out of countless others. What makes 7th legion so special that its put to bigger standard than other sets?
They nerfed an overperfoming set, justifiably so. But people spent time, mats, and gold acquiring and upgrading these sets that are now useless for their class. Nerf the set, but make it usable for everyone who was using it before the nerf.Edited by akray21 on July 15, 2019 5:32PM3 -
SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Royalthought wrote: »According to the setsWhy does every class needs a way to proc this single set easily and reliably on 100% uptime with no sacrifices out of countless others. What makes 7th legion so special that its put to bigger standard than other sets?
Why is it important to exlude a class is the real question.
All classes having access is called balance.
Its a good thing.
Because classes arent (yet) different colors of same stuff. Say they let passive proc it. You get nightblades that proc it without second thought while stamsorc still has to lose 5s of damage or warden recast early. Its no balance either, just different.
Nearly every set in the game is affected differently based on different classes. Nightblade can still proc this set, by using Mirage. They just dont want to (for good reason). They can also equip Truth set and proc it on demand in noCP while most of other classes cant. They can also proc Ravager better than any class. They can also proc much more reliably any set that gives bonus to stealth because they have cloak skill.
Stuff never was and is never going to be equally effective on every class with equal sacrifices.4 -
MrTtheDK✭✭✭I think that is more for how hurricane is procing it. Shuffle increasing armor via armor master seems in line with how seventh's new tool tip reads:
When you cast an ability that increases your Physical or Spell Resistance, you gain 350 Weapon Damage and 350 Health Recovery for 10 seconds. This effect can occur every 10 seconds.
While you have an Armor ability slotted, your Max Health is increased by 5%. When you use an Armor ability, your Physical Resistance and Spell Resistance is increased by 5332 for 10 seconds.
It depends on how they code it. Shuffle is not giving you the resistances. Casting Shuffle procs Armor Master which then gives you the resistances.
Are you sure about that though in terms of how it is currently coded? Think about it. They made a change a few patches ago where sets couldnt proc other sets. That said shuffle is in fact procing seventh via armor master. It appears to me that it is coded with armor master that armor abilities are being granted the additional armor to the ability itself as opposed to secondary affect that increases armor.Main:
DC- Diablo Azul , Mr T
Alts: Nerf Something or Another
Guild: - Imperial City Police
RIP Guilds: Purple, WKB, Eight Divines, Rage, What Mechanics, Entropy Rising
Game: @TalosSeptim0 -
Xogath✭✭✭Lord_Eomer wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »Why Rip stam sorc? Hurricane is an ability not passive
Because, in order to keep a high uptime on the set, you have to continuously cast Hurricane, before it fully ramps up in damage.
Hurricane is not high cast ability and getting set proc on demand is something very useful.
This is simply lame excuse, this set will perform much better on Stam Sorc with Troll King!
Its NB who suffer only!
Hurricane costs 1951 for my build. In a 30 second window Hurricane would need to be cast 1 more time, equating to an amount equal to 130 stamina recovery. The 5 piece might as well say -130 stam recovery as well. This isn't even taking into consideration the opportunity cost involved.
First of all the change is made to use proc carefully not have 100% uptime
but anyway it will have easily 80-90% uptime in PVP.
I believe this set is in a perfect spot, further excuses will put it over powered.
There are better sets for stamsorc. The 50 extra WD over Hunding's is not worth the costs associated with this set. I just need to figure out which one bar set to run with BRP dual wield.Lord_Eomer wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »leepalmer95 wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »Why Rip stam sorc? Hurricane is an ability not passive
Because, in order to keep a high uptime on the set, you have to continuously cast Hurricane, before it fully ramps up in damage.
Hurricane is not high cast ability and getting set proc on demand is something very useful.
This is simply lame excuse, this set will perform much better on Stam Sorc with Troll King!
Its NB who suffer only!
Yea. its pretty unreasonable to not allow it to proc of a passive from a casted ability. They know thats how nightblades were designed to get there limited duration of major resolve.
This was a nerf that targeted nightblades specifically.
Bad decision
But nb's would have 100% uptime passively that way, the set clearly isn't designed to easily have 100% uptime.
Any class using an ability that grants the buff can keep a 100% uptime.
Whats the uptime for nightblades now that there passives dont activate it?
0% lol
Not really when u can use Mages Guild Skill Balance
So now the set proc costs NB's 6k health every 10 seconds, just for an extra 50 WD over Hunding's.
I did not say that NB shall use this set but mentioned NB can still proc it.
NB are over performing in Heavy Armor sets, its better for them to stay away and Hunding Crit chance buff is somehow not very useful when u are looking for Burst Damage from cloak, need more Healing and resource for PVP
7th Legion set 1st and 2nd piece bonus are better than Crit Chance, so definitely a good choice over hunding for classes other than NB
Heavy Armor as a whole is over performing, not just one class that uses it.
Being able to have capped resistances PLUS an excessive amount of offensive power from the sets? Yeah, they needed nerfed.
The best step that could be taken in this regard, for PvP, is to normalize the armor values of all three armor types in PvP situations so it comes down entirely to choice as to what you want to run.
A little extra tankiness from passives and maybe set bonuses? Heavy.
Want the offense maybe because you've got room for a good defensive skill or two? Medium.
Want those sweet Magicka bonuses that may alleviate some CP placement? (If you play in CP-enabled Cyrodiil, anyway.) go Light.
Even in the above situation, I could see Heavy Armor still being the meta simply because of the extra tankiness from the passives alone, since most folks who take PvP seriously can think critically and make sacrifices as far as their skill choice is concerned.
But, at least, at that point, someone who can't be arsed to farm something like 7th Legion could at least step in to PvP and have a decent time, instead of instantly being deleted by a build that had both capped resists AND ridiculous offense.0 -
Royalthought✭✭✭✭✭Royalthought wrote: »According to the setsWhy does every class needs a way to proc this single set easily and reliably on 100% uptime with no sacrifices out of countless others. What makes 7th legion so special that its put to bigger standard than other sets?
Why is it important to exlude a class is the real question.
All classes having access is called balance.
Its a good thing.
Because classes arent (yet) different colors of same stuff. Say they let passive proc it. You get nightblades that proc it without second thought while stamsorc still has to lose 5s of damage or warden recast early. Its no balance either, just different.
Nearly every set in the game is affected differently based on different classes. Nightblade can still proc this set, by using Mirage. They just dont want to (for good reason). They can also equip Truth set and proc it on demand in noCP while most of other classes cant. They can also proc Ravager better than any class. They can also proc much more reliably any set that gives bonus to stealth because they have cloak skill.
Stuff never was and is never going to be equally effective on every class with equal sacrifices.
No offense but I dont know where you're going with this.
Shadow abilities when cast buff nightblade resistances. As per the set, it should proc it.
You're saying classes are unique and not just different colors yet you're against the set working for shadow abilities?2 -
sly007✭✭✭✭Royalthought wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »According to the setsWhy does every class needs a way to proc this single set easily and reliably on 100% uptime with no sacrifices out of countless others. What makes 7th legion so special that its put to bigger standard than other sets?
Why is it important to exlude a class is the real question.
All classes having access is called balance.
Its a good thing.
Because classes arent (yet) different colors of same stuff. Say they let passive proc it. You get nightblades that proc it without second thought while stamsorc still has to lose 5s of damage or warden recast early. Its no balance either, just different.
Nearly every set in the game is affected differently based on different classes. Nightblade can still proc this set, by using Mirage. They just dont want to (for good reason). They can also equip Truth set and proc it on demand in noCP while most of other classes cant. They can also proc Ravager better than any class. They can also proc much more reliably any set that gives bonus to stealth because they have cloak skill.
Stuff never was and is never going to be equally effective on every class with equal sacrifices.
No offense but I dont know where you're going with this.
Shadow abilities when cast buff nightblade resistances. As per the set, it should proc it.
You're saying classes are unique and not just different colors yet you're against the set working for shadow abilities?
Nightblades have a skill that gives them minor resistances. They will be fine0 -
Royalthought✭✭✭✭✭Royalthought wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »According to the setsWhy does every class needs a way to proc this single set easily and reliably on 100% uptime with no sacrifices out of countless others. What makes 7th legion so special that its put to bigger standard than other sets?
Why is it important to exlude a class is the real question.
All classes having access is called balance.
Its a good thing.
Because classes arent (yet) different colors of same stuff. Say they let passive proc it. You get nightblades that proc it without second thought while stamsorc still has to lose 5s of damage or warden recast early. Its no balance either, just different.
Nearly every set in the game is affected differently based on different classes. Nightblade can still proc this set, by using Mirage. They just dont want to (for good reason). They can also equip Truth set and proc it on demand in noCP while most of other classes cant. They can also proc Ravager better than any class. They can also proc much more reliably any set that gives bonus to stealth because they have cloak skill.
Stuff never was and is never going to be equally effective on every class with equal sacrifices.
No offense but I dont know where you're going with this.
Shadow abilities when cast buff nightblade resistances. As per the set, it should proc it.
You're saying classes are unique and not just different colors yet you're against the set working for shadow abilities?
Nightblades have a skill that gives them minor resistances. They will be fine
And an entire skill line that gives them major resolve. So.....
What are you responding to? Who said anything about a class not being fine?
The issue brought forth had to do with a set being changed to not proc with something that it is described to do.
If, for example, rally states it gives major brutality, but it wasn't. What is the value in me saying, "you can get the buff from potions. stam will be fine."
None reallyEdited by Royalthought on July 15, 2019 8:38PM0 -
SodanTok✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Royalthought wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »According to the setsWhy does every class needs a way to proc this single set easily and reliably on 100% uptime with no sacrifices out of countless others. What makes 7th legion so special that its put to bigger standard than other sets?
Why is it important to exlude a class is the real question.
All classes having access is called balance.
Its a good thing.
Because classes arent (yet) different colors of same stuff. Say they let passive proc it. You get nightblades that proc it without second thought while stamsorc still has to lose 5s of damage or warden recast early. Its no balance either, just different.
Nearly every set in the game is affected differently based on different classes. Nightblade can still proc this set, by using Mirage. They just dont want to (for good reason). They can also equip Truth set and proc it on demand in noCP while most of other classes cant. They can also proc Ravager better than any class. They can also proc much more reliably any set that gives bonus to stealth because they have cloak skill.
Stuff never was and is never going to be equally effective on every class with equal sacrifices.
No offense but I dont know where you're going with this.
Shadow abilities when cast buff nightblade resistances. As per the set, it should proc it.
You're saying classes are unique and not just different colors yet you're against the set working for shadow abilities?
Nightblades have a skill that gives them minor resistances. They will be fine
And an entire skill line that gives them major resolve. So.....
What are you responding to? Who said anything about a class not being fine?
The issue brought forth had to do with a set being changed to not proc with something that it is described to do.
If, for example, rally states it gives major brutality, but it wasn't. What is the value in me saying, "you can get the buff from potions. stam will be fine."
None really
Hm, seems change in description of the set would then solve all your issues.0 -
Nordic__Knights✭✭✭✭✭
✭Seems the one good set change just got kicked off list 😢 nb's always getting kicked in the n**s since start of patches guess it no big surprise they've been trying to keep this set away from us for yearsEdited by Nordic__Knights on July 16, 2019 1:01AM1 -
Royalthought✭✭✭✭✭Royalthought wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »According to the setsWhy does every class needs a way to proc this single set easily and reliably on 100% uptime with no sacrifices out of countless others. What makes 7th legion so special that its put to bigger standard than other sets?
Why is it important to exlude a class is the real question.
All classes having access is called balance.
Its a good thing.
Because classes arent (yet) different colors of same stuff. Say they let passive proc it. You get nightblades that proc it without second thought while stamsorc still has to lose 5s of damage or warden recast early. Its no balance either, just different.
Nearly every set in the game is affected differently based on different classes. Nightblade can still proc this set, by using Mirage. They just dont want to (for good reason). They can also equip Truth set and proc it on demand in noCP while most of other classes cant. They can also proc Ravager better than any class. They can also proc much more reliably any set that gives bonus to stealth because they have cloak skill.
Stuff never was and is never going to be equally effective on every class with equal sacrifices.
No offense but I dont know where you're going with this.
Shadow abilities when cast buff nightblade resistances. As per the set, it should proc it.
You're saying classes are unique and not just different colors yet you're against the set working for shadow abilities?
Nightblades have a skill that gives them minor resistances. They will be fine
And an entire skill line that gives them major resolve. So.....
What are you responding to? Who said anything about a class not being fine?
The issue brought forth had to do with a set being changed to not proc with something that it is described to do.
If, for example, rally states it gives major brutality, but it wasn't. What is the value in me saying, "you can get the buff from potions. stam will be fine."
None really
Hm, seems change in description of the set would then solve all your issues.
They could literally write, "Not meant for Nightblades."
But that wouldn't improve their game either.Edited by Royalthought on July 16, 2019 1:11AM1 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭Royalthought wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »According to the setsWhy does every class needs a way to proc this single set easily and reliably on 100% uptime with no sacrifices out of countless others. What makes 7th legion so special that its put to bigger standard than other sets?
Why is it important to exlude a class is the real question.
All classes having access is called balance.
Its a good thing.
Because classes arent (yet) different colors of same stuff. Say they let passive proc it. You get nightblades that proc it without second thought while stamsorc still has to lose 5s of damage or warden recast early. Its no balance either, just different.
Nearly every set in the game is affected differently based on different classes. Nightblade can still proc this set, by using Mirage. They just dont want to (for good reason). They can also equip Truth set and proc it on demand in noCP while most of other classes cant. They can also proc Ravager better than any class. They can also proc much more reliably any set that gives bonus to stealth because they have cloak skill.
Stuff never was and is never going to be equally effective on every class with equal sacrifices.
No offense but I dont know where you're going with this.
Shadow abilities when cast buff nightblade resistances. As per the set, it should proc it.
You're saying classes are unique and not just different colors yet you're against the set working for shadow abilities?
Nightblades have a skill that gives them minor resistances. They will be fine
And an entire skill line that gives them major resolve. So.....
What are you responding to? Who said anything about a class not being fine?
The issue brought forth had to do with a set being changed to not proc with something that it is described to do.
If, for example, rally states it gives major brutality, but it wasn't. What is the value in me saying, "you can get the buff from potions. stam will be fine."
None really
In the new patch notes, they stated that you need to use a skill that buffs your armor not through passive, but something that gives you ward/resolve. If it was the case were you can activaite through passives, NB would have 100% uptime on the set without sustain issues as unlile other class they don't have to pre cast the buff. As such only way for NB to activate 7th legoin is through their skill that gives me minor ward/resolve.1 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭Nordic__Knights wrote: »Seems the one good set change just got kicked off list 😢 nb's always getting kicked in the n**s since start of patches guess it no big surprise they've been trying to keep this set away from us for years
Stop that, you can activate the sets with drawbacks just like everyone else, if you don't know the skills of you class, then start learning1 -
Royalthought✭✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »According to the setsWhy does every class needs a way to proc this single set easily and reliably on 100% uptime with no sacrifices out of countless others. What makes 7th legion so special that its put to bigger standard than other sets?
Why is it important to exlude a class is the real question.
All classes having access is called balance.
Its a good thing.
Because classes arent (yet) different colors of same stuff. Say they let passive proc it. You get nightblades that proc it without second thought while stamsorc still has to lose 5s of damage or warden recast early. Its no balance either, just different.
Nearly every set in the game is affected differently based on different classes. Nightblade can still proc this set, by using Mirage. They just dont want to (for good reason). They can also equip Truth set and proc it on demand in noCP while most of other classes cant. They can also proc Ravager better than any class. They can also proc much more reliably any set that gives bonus to stealth because they have cloak skill.
Stuff never was and is never going to be equally effective on every class with equal sacrifices.
No offense but I dont know where you're going with this.
Shadow abilities when cast buff nightblade resistances. As per the set, it should proc it.
You're saying classes are unique and not just different colors yet you're against the set working for shadow abilities?
Nightblades have a skill that gives them minor resistances. They will be fine
And an entire skill line that gives them major resolve. So.....
What are you responding to? Who said anything about a class not being fine?
The issue brought forth had to do with a set being changed to not proc with something that it is described to do.
If, for example, rally states it gives major brutality, but it wasn't. What is the value in me saying, "you can get the buff from potions. stam will be fine."
None really
In the new patch notes, they stated that you need to use a skill that buffs your armor not through passive, but something that gives you ward/resolve. If it was the case were you can activaite through passives, NB would have 100% uptime on the set without sustain issues as unlile other class they don't have to pre cast the buff. As such only way for NB to activate 7th legoin is through their skill that gives me minor ward/resolve.
We are kinda going in circles mate.
You need to use a skill that buffs your armor. Thats what shadow abilities do. To attach a stipulation for specific class abilities is literally just to single out and punish nightblades. And that's problematic, hence this discussion to prevent that.
See anyone casting an ability that gives resistance can maintain 100% uptime. Lets stop pretending that its a nightblade thing.
If you notice, the other classes have much, much longer major resolve/ward uptime without attacking. Nightblades however have to frequently recast skills, (especially non heavy armor builds). This is a downside for nightblades. They are often without this buff when not attacking which leads them to often being a squishier class.
They designed the class with this drawback so that it may benefit in other areas. Resistance buffs while attacking. Since they have to recast this resist buff so frequently, a set like 7th should compliment the class well.
Being able to precast major resolve/ward for a long duration before a fight is a plus. The downside is that, that may result in lesser 7th uptime. Having short major resolve/ward uptime is a downside. The upside is this should result in high 7th uptime.
Its called balance.Edited by Royalthought on July 16, 2019 12:49PM1 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭Royalthought wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »According to the setsWhy does every class needs a way to proc this single set easily and reliably on 100% uptime with no sacrifices out of countless others. What makes 7th legion so special that its put to bigger standard than other sets?
Why is it important to exlude a class is the real question.
All classes having access is called balance.
Its a good thing.
Because classes arent (yet) different colors of same stuff. Say they let passive proc it. You get nightblades that proc it without second thought while stamsorc still has to lose 5s of damage or warden recast early. Its no balance either, just different.
Nearly every set in the game is affected differently based on different classes. Nightblade can still proc this set, by using Mirage. They just dont want to (for good reason). They can also equip Truth set and proc it on demand in noCP while most of other classes cant. They can also proc Ravager better than any class. They can also proc much more reliably any set that gives bonus to stealth because they have cloak skill.
Stuff never was and is never going to be equally effective on every class with equal sacrifices.
No offense but I dont know where you're going with this.
Shadow abilities when cast buff nightblade resistances. As per the set, it should proc it.
You're saying classes are unique and not just different colors yet you're against the set working for shadow abilities?
Nightblades have a skill that gives them minor resistances. They will be fine
And an entire skill line that gives them major resolve. So.....
What are you responding to? Who said anything about a class not being fine?
The issue brought forth had to do with a set being changed to not proc with something that it is described to do.
If, for example, rally states it gives major brutality, but it wasn't. What is the value in me saying, "you can get the buff from potions. stam will be fine."
None really
In the new patch notes, they stated that you need to use a skill that buffs your armor not through passive, but something that gives you ward/resolve. If it was the case were you can activaite through passives, NB would have 100% uptime on the set without sustain issues as unlile other class they don't have to pre cast the buff. As such only way for NB to activate 7th legoin is through their skill that gives me minor ward/resolve.
We are kinda going in circles mate.
You need to use a skill that buffs your armor. Thats what shadow abilities do. To attach a stipulation for specific class abilities is literally just to single out and punish nightblades. And that's problematic, hence this discussion to prevent that.
See anyone casting an ability that gives resistance can maintain 100% uptime. Lets stop pretending that its a nightblade thing.
If you notice, the other classes have much, much longer major resolve/ward uptime without attacking. Nightblades however have to frequently recast skills, (especially non heavy armor builds). This is a downside for nightblades. They are often without this buff when not attacking which leads them to often being a squishier class.
They designed the class with this drawback so that it may benefit in other areas. Resistance buffs while attacking. Since they have to recast this resist buff so frequently, a set like 7th should compliment the class well.
Being able to precast major resolve/ward for a long duration before a fight is a plus. The downside is that, that may result in lesser 7th uptime. Having short major resolve/ward uptime is a downside. The upside is this should result in high 7th uptime.
Its called balance.
Speaking about this sets specifically. Most nightblade spammables are in shadow skill line. Their primary heal/cloak, shade, fear, blade are all in shadiw skill line, you see the problem here, if it was only shades or fear, somethin yiu don't frequently spam, i think it would have been ok. Still, you have a skill that gives a minor ward, you activate just like the major ward/resolve skills like other classes, then you get to pro/cons. You will be more tanky as you have minor and majoe buffs, 7th will activate for 100 secs, minor buff skill last 26 secs, do you recast or leave? Just like other classes. As you said before, balance.2 -
Royalthought✭✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »According to the setsWhy does every class needs a way to proc this single set easily and reliably on 100% uptime with no sacrifices out of countless others. What makes 7th legion so special that its put to bigger standard than other sets?
Why is it important to exlude a class is the real question.
All classes having access is called balance.
Its a good thing.
Because classes arent (yet) different colors of same stuff. Say they let passive proc it. You get nightblades that proc it without second thought while stamsorc still has to lose 5s of damage or warden recast early. Its no balance either, just different.
Nearly every set in the game is affected differently based on different classes. Nightblade can still proc this set, by using Mirage. They just dont want to (for good reason). They can also equip Truth set and proc it on demand in noCP while most of other classes cant. They can also proc Ravager better than any class. They can also proc much more reliably any set that gives bonus to stealth because they have cloak skill.
Stuff never was and is never going to be equally effective on every class with equal sacrifices.
No offense but I dont know where you're going with this.
Shadow abilities when cast buff nightblade resistances. As per the set, it should proc it.
You're saying classes are unique and not just different colors yet you're against the set working for shadow abilities?
Nightblades have a skill that gives them minor resistances. They will be fine
And an entire skill line that gives them major resolve. So.....
What are you responding to? Who said anything about a class not being fine?
The issue brought forth had to do with a set being changed to not proc with something that it is described to do.
If, for example, rally states it gives major brutality, but it wasn't. What is the value in me saying, "you can get the buff from potions. stam will be fine."
None really
In the new patch notes, they stated that you need to use a skill that buffs your armor not through passive, but something that gives you ward/resolve. If it was the case were you can activaite through passives, NB would have 100% uptime on the set without sustain issues as unlile other class they don't have to pre cast the buff. As such only way for NB to activate 7th legoin is through their skill that gives me minor ward/resolve.
We are kinda going in circles mate.
You need to use a skill that buffs your armor. Thats what shadow abilities do. To attach a stipulation for specific class abilities is literally just to single out and punish nightblades. And that's problematic, hence this discussion to prevent that.
See anyone casting an ability that gives resistance can maintain 100% uptime. Lets stop pretending that its a nightblade thing.
If you notice, the other classes have much, much longer major resolve/ward uptime without attacking. Nightblades however have to frequently recast skills, (especially non heavy armor builds). This is a downside for nightblades. They are often without this buff when not attacking which leads them to often being a squishier class.
They designed the class with this drawback so that it may benefit in other areas. Resistance buffs while attacking. Since they have to recast this resist buff so frequently, a set like 7th should compliment the class well.
Being able to precast major resolve/ward for a long duration before a fight is a plus. The downside is that, that may result in lesser 7th uptime. Having short major resolve/ward uptime is a downside. The upside is this should result in high 7th uptime.
Its called balance.
Speaking about this sets specifically. Most nightblade spammables are in shadow skill line. Their primary heal/cloak, shade, fear, blade are all in shadiw skill line, you see the problem here, if it was only shades or fear, somethin yiu don't frequently spam, i think it would have been ok. Still, you have a skill that gives a minor ward, you activate just like the major ward/resolve skills like other classes, then you get to pro/cons. You will be more tanky as you have minor and majoe buffs, 7th will activate for 100 secs, minor buff skill last 26 secs, do you recast or leave? Just like other classes. As you said before, balance.
No idea what you just said.
Shadow abilities give resistance buff when cast.
The 7th proc is from abilities that give resistance when cast.
Synergy.
To make a rule specifically to target nightblades is foolhardy.
But hey, its obvious there are some that do all they can to limit the class on these forums. Im starting to recognize who they are....
100% uptime isnt exlusive to any class. Yet somehow you got randoms making it seem like its only illegal if nightblades can do it. lol0 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭Royalthought wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »According to the setsWhy does every class needs a way to proc this single set easily and reliably on 100% uptime with no sacrifices out of countless others. What makes 7th legion so special that its put to bigger standard than other sets?
Why is it important to exlude a class is the real question.
All classes having access is called balance.
Its a good thing.
Because classes arent (yet) different colors of same stuff. Say they let passive proc it. You get nightblades that proc it without second thought while stamsorc still has to lose 5s of damage or warden recast early. Its no balance either, just different.
Nearly every set in the game is affected differently based on different classes. Nightblade can still proc this set, by using Mirage. They just dont want to (for good reason). They can also equip Truth set and proc it on demand in noCP while most of other classes cant. They can also proc Ravager better than any class. They can also proc much more reliably any set that gives bonus to stealth because they have cloak skill.
Stuff never was and is never going to be equally effective on every class with equal sacrifices.
No offense but I dont know where you're going with this.
Shadow abilities when cast buff nightblade resistances. As per the set, it should proc it.
You're saying classes are unique and not just different colors yet you're against the set working for shadow abilities?
Nightblades have a skill that gives them minor resistances. They will be fine
And an entire skill line that gives them major resolve. So.....
What are you responding to? Who said anything about a class not being fine?
The issue brought forth had to do with a set being changed to not proc with something that it is described to do.
If, for example, rally states it gives major brutality, but it wasn't. What is the value in me saying, "you can get the buff from potions. stam will be fine."
None really
In the new patch notes, they stated that you need to use a skill that buffs your armor not through passive, but something that gives you ward/resolve. If it was the case were you can activaite through passives, NB would have 100% uptime on the set without sustain issues as unlile other class they don't have to pre cast the buff. As such only way for NB to activate 7th legoin is through their skill that gives me minor ward/resolve.
We are kinda going in circles mate.
You need to use a skill that buffs your armor. Thats what shadow abilities do. To attach a stipulation for specific class abilities is literally just to single out and punish nightblades. And that's problematic, hence this discussion to prevent that.
See anyone casting an ability that gives resistance can maintain 100% uptime. Lets stop pretending that its a nightblade thing.
If you notice, the other classes have much, much longer major resolve/ward uptime without attacking. Nightblades however have to frequently recast skills, (especially non heavy armor builds). This is a downside for nightblades. They are often without this buff when not attacking which leads them to often being a squishier class.
They designed the class with this drawback so that it may benefit in other areas. Resistance buffs while attacking. Since they have to recast this resist buff so frequently, a set like 7th should compliment the class well.
Being able to precast major resolve/ward for a long duration before a fight is a plus. The downside is that, that may result in lesser 7th uptime. Having short major resolve/ward uptime is a downside. The upside is this should result in high 7th uptime.
Its called balance.
Speaking about this sets specifically. Most nightblade spammables are in shadow skill line. Their primary heal/cloak, shade, fear, blade are all in shadiw skill line, you see the problem here, if it was only shades or fear, somethin yiu don't frequently spam, i think it would have been ok. Still, you have a skill that gives a minor ward, you activate just like the major ward/resolve skills like other classes, then you get to pro/cons. You will be more tanky as you have minor and majoe buffs, 7th will activate for 100 secs, minor buff skill last 26 secs, do you recast or leave? Just like other classes. As you said before, balance.
No idea what you just said.
Shadow abilities give resistance buff when cast.
The 7th proc is from abilities that give resistance when cast.
Synergy.
To make a rule specifically to target nightblades is foolhardy.
But hey, its obvious there are some that do all they can to limit the class on these forums. Im starting to recognize who they are....
100% uptime isnt exlusive to any class. Yet somehow you got randoms making it seem like its only illegal if nightblades can do it. lol
Shadow abilitues proc the passive, if you don't have the passive on, you don't get the buff, bu anyhow, many things git hit hard, nb is still and will be top tier class. Wish my stam sorc is as good as stam blade. Too much nerfs you start to forget what the class neant to be. Only good at speed and good at that as well. 7th might help a bit.1 -
Royalthought✭✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »According to the setsWhy does every class needs a way to proc this single set easily and reliably on 100% uptime with no sacrifices out of countless others. What makes 7th legion so special that its put to bigger standard than other sets?
Why is it important to exlude a class is the real question.
All classes having access is called balance.
Its a good thing.
Because classes arent (yet) different colors of same stuff. Say they let passive proc it. You get nightblades that proc it without second thought while stamsorc still has to lose 5s of damage or warden recast early. Its no balance either, just different.
Nearly every set in the game is affected differently based on different classes. Nightblade can still proc this set, by using Mirage. They just dont want to (for good reason). They can also equip Truth set and proc it on demand in noCP while most of other classes cant. They can also proc Ravager better than any class. They can also proc much more reliably any set that gives bonus to stealth because they have cloak skill.
Stuff never was and is never going to be equally effective on every class with equal sacrifices.
No offense but I dont know where you're going with this.
Shadow abilities when cast buff nightblade resistances. As per the set, it should proc it.
You're saying classes are unique and not just different colors yet you're against the set working for shadow abilities?
Nightblades have a skill that gives them minor resistances. They will be fine
And an entire skill line that gives them major resolve. So.....
What are you responding to? Who said anything about a class not being fine?
The issue brought forth had to do with a set being changed to not proc with something that it is described to do.
If, for example, rally states it gives major brutality, but it wasn't. What is the value in me saying, "you can get the buff from potions. stam will be fine."
None really
In the new patch notes, they stated that you need to use a skill that buffs your armor not through passive, but something that gives you ward/resolve. If it was the case were you can activaite through passives, NB would have 100% uptime on the set without sustain issues as unlile other class they don't have to pre cast the buff. As such only way for NB to activate 7th legoin is through their skill that gives me minor ward/resolve.
We are kinda going in circles mate.
You need to use a skill that buffs your armor. Thats what shadow abilities do. To attach a stipulation for specific class abilities is literally just to single out and punish nightblades. And that's problematic, hence this discussion to prevent that.
See anyone casting an ability that gives resistance can maintain 100% uptime. Lets stop pretending that its a nightblade thing.
If you notice, the other classes have much, much longer major resolve/ward uptime without attacking. Nightblades however have to frequently recast skills, (especially non heavy armor builds). This is a downside for nightblades. They are often without this buff when not attacking which leads them to often being a squishier class.
They designed the class with this drawback so that it may benefit in other areas. Resistance buffs while attacking. Since they have to recast this resist buff so frequently, a set like 7th should compliment the class well.
Being able to precast major resolve/ward for a long duration before a fight is a plus. The downside is that, that may result in lesser 7th uptime. Having short major resolve/ward uptime is a downside. The upside is this should result in high 7th uptime.
Its called balance.
Speaking about this sets specifically. Most nightblade spammables are in shadow skill line. Their primary heal/cloak, shade, fear, blade are all in shadiw skill line, you see the problem here, if it was only shades or fear, somethin yiu don't frequently spam, i think it would have been ok. Still, you have a skill that gives a minor ward, you activate just like the major ward/resolve skills like other classes, then you get to pro/cons. You will be more tanky as you have minor and majoe buffs, 7th will activate for 100 secs, minor buff skill last 26 secs, do you recast or leave? Just like other classes. As you said before, balance.
No idea what you just said.
Shadow abilities give resistance buff when cast.
The 7th proc is from abilities that give resistance when cast.
Synergy.
To make a rule specifically to target nightblades is foolhardy.
But hey, its obvious there are some that do all they can to limit the class on these forums. Im starting to recognize who they are....
100% uptime isnt exlusive to any class. Yet somehow you got randoms making it seem like its only illegal if nightblades can do it. lol
Shadow abilitues proc the passive, if you don't have the passive on, you don't get the buff, bu anyhow, many things git hit hard, nb is still and will be top tier class. Wish my stam sorc is as good as stam blade. Too much nerfs you start to forget what the class neant to be. Only good at speed and good at that as well. 7th might help a bit.
You can put points in the passive and not get the buff. If you did I would completely understand why it wouldnt work.
However its not passive. In order for nightblades to get the resistance buff, they have to actively cast a shadow skill. Thats the main difference.
In terms of nerfs many classes got hit this patch. Last patch was all about nightblade nerfs. Not sure why at this point. Its not top in single target or Aoe.
If they nerf the class as it pertains to 7th, I gotta assume a nb ganked and t-bagged a dev and this is payback.0 -
sly007✭✭✭✭Royalthought wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »According to the setsWhy does every class needs a way to proc this single set easily and reliably on 100% uptime with no sacrifices out of countless others. What makes 7th legion so special that its put to bigger standard than other sets?
Why is it important to exlude a class is the real question.
All classes having access is called balance.
Its a good thing.
Because classes arent (yet) different colors of same stuff. Say they let passive proc it. You get nightblades that proc it without second thought while stamsorc still has to lose 5s of damage or warden recast early. Its no balance either, just different.
Nearly every set in the game is affected differently based on different classes. Nightblade can still proc this set, by using Mirage. They just dont want to (for good reason). They can also equip Truth set and proc it on demand in noCP while most of other classes cant. They can also proc Ravager better than any class. They can also proc much more reliably any set that gives bonus to stealth because they have cloak skill.
Stuff never was and is never going to be equally effective on every class with equal sacrifices.
No offense but I dont know where you're going with this.
Shadow abilities when cast buff nightblade resistances. As per the set, it should proc it.
You're saying classes are unique and not just different colors yet you're against the set working for shadow abilities?
Nightblades have a skill that gives them minor resistances. They will be fine
And an entire skill line that gives them major resolve. So.....
What are you responding to? Who said anything about a class not being fine?
The issue brought forth had to do with a set being changed to not proc with something that it is described to do.
If, for example, rally states it gives major brutality, but it wasn't. What is the value in me saying, "you can get the buff from potions. stam will be fine."
It says activating an ability that grants resistance and passives are not abilities. Surprise attack does NOT grant resistance, only the passive from the skill tree does. It's really quite simply, use blur, end of story. Don't pretend night blades don't have the option of using and keeping 100% uptime on legion like everyone else.0 -
ProzTh3Almighty✭✭✭Just jumping in to say if your a nightblade you shouldnt be using 7th! Theres better options out there! Armor of Truth is da bomb! 2 easy ways to proc it, an one fool proof way to proc it. Better 2-4 piece stats, better wpn dmg, same uptime, no nasty health recovery!
Edited cuz i have fat fingers.... -_-Edited by ProzTh3Almighty on July 16, 2019 7:55PM1 -
Royalthought✭✭✭✭✭ProzTh3Almighty wrote: »Just jumping in to say if your a nightblade you shouldnt be using 7th! Theres better options out there! Armor of Truth is da bomb! 2 easy ways to proc it, an one fool proof way to proc it. Better 2-4 piece stats, better wpn dmg, same uptime, no nasty health recovery!
Edited cuz i have fat fingers.... -_-
Truth can work for certain builds.
But in no CP truth requires a cloak into a surprise attack. In places like BGs, the abundance of AoEs often renders cloak unusable which in turn results in the Truth proc being too situational.
Another downside to truth is, if you're opening with cloak into a surprise attack, then you're missing the 8% damage boost from ambush.
With a set like 7th, its available even when cloak isn't. Lets not forget it can be procced prior to engagement.
Ultimately, this conversation, isn't to say 7th is the ONLY set for NBs. But to nerf it just to limit nightblades is unwarranted.0 -
Vortigaunt✭✭✭Royalthought wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »Why Rip stam sorc? Hurricane is an ability not passive
Because, in order to keep a high uptime on the set, you have to continuously cast Hurricane, before it fully ramps up in damage.
Hurricane is not high cast ability and getting set proc on demand is something very useful.
This is simply lame excuse, this set will perform much better on Stam Sorc with Troll King!
Its NB who suffer only!
Yea. its pretty unreasonable to not allow it to proc of a passive from a casted ability. They know thats how nightblades were designed to get there limited duration of major resolve.
This was a nerf that targeted nightblades specifically.
Bad decision
Boohoo stamblades can’t do something and now they are sad because they don’t get to have everything like always. Get used to it. Play a stam sorc next time you complain about stamblades.1 -
Royalthought✭✭✭✭✭Vortigaunt wrote: »Royalthought wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »Why Rip stam sorc? Hurricane is an ability not passive
Because, in order to keep a high uptime on the set, you have to continuously cast Hurricane, before it fully ramps up in damage.
Hurricane is not high cast ability and getting set proc on demand is something very useful.
This is simply lame excuse, this set will perform much better on Stam Sorc with Troll King!
Its NB who suffer only!
Yea. its pretty unreasonable to not allow it to proc of a passive from a casted ability. They know thats how nightblades were designed to get there limited duration of major resolve.
This was a nerf that targeted nightblades specifically.
Bad decision
Boohoo stamblades can’t do something and now they are sad because they don’t get to have everything like always. Get used to it. Play a stam sorc next time you complain about stamblades.
I do. Hurricane works just fine. Great class.
Something you care to add?0
