Do you support faction locks?

Sanct16

Earthewen wrote: »

If this is what is called good PvP, then this is crazy. It doesn't take much to pvdoor the entire map, get the emp, AND the hammer, … what next? We all remember the recent history of the overpowered abuse of necrobash that usually accompanied this.

This is the guild that put the original post on this poll/forum. I'm just saying that the validity of this entire poll should be questioned. I'm not seeing a lot of integrity with this group nor a lot of honor.


https://imgur.com/a/TQztQQB

@Earthewen

Why should the validaty of a completly neutral poll be questioned because of the prefered playstyle of the one who opened it?

Earthewen

Sanct16 wrote: »

Earthewen wrote: »

If this is what is called good PvP, then this is crazy. It doesn't take much to pvdoor the entire map, get the emp, AND the hammer, … what next? We all remember the recent history of the overpowered abuse of necrobash that usually accompanied this.

This is the guild that put the original post on this poll/forum. I'm just saying that the validity of this entire poll should be questioned. I'm not seeing a lot of integrity with this group nor a lot of honor.


https://imgur.com/a/TQztQQB

@Earthewen

Why should the validaty of a completly neutral poll be questioned because of the prefered playstyle of the one who opened it?

The question is more like this … Why would we choose to believe a poll that someone might have had their whole guild who tends to run exploits and run at times to avoid the real fights put up? How do we know this was a true unbiased poll? It would be far too easy to stack the votes in favor of what you want. ;-)

Sanguinor2

Earthewen wrote: »

The question is more like this … Why would we choose to believe a poll that someone might have had their whole guild who tends to run exploits and run at times to avoid the real fights put up? How do we know this was a true unbiased poll? It would be far too easy to stack the votes in favor of what you want. ;-)

The better Question is why do you care About any poll made on this Forum no matter the subject or Outcome?
Sample size is much much too small to get any meaningful Information beyond what the very small minority of Forum goers voted (and this minority gets even smaller because only a small number of those participating in the Forums actually care enough About subject X to vote Y).

Hashtag_

Why is earthewen complaining about exactly what ep did last campaign?

VaranisArano

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Earthewen wrote: »

The question is more like this … Why would we choose to believe a poll that someone might have had their whole guild who tends to run exploits and run at times to avoid the real fights put up? How do we know this was a true unbiased poll? It would be far too easy to stack the votes in favor of what you want. ;-)

The better Question is why do you care About any poll made on this Forum no matter the subject or Outcome?
Sample size is much much too small to get any meaningful Information beyond what the very small minority of Forum goers voted (and this minority gets even smaller because only a small number of those participating in the Forums actually care enough About subject X to vote Y).

In context, we've had some posters going "But, look, the poll supports my point of view!"

The answer to that is:

A. as you and I have said, polls on the forums are statistically meaningless no matter what conclusion they come to. There's just too small of a population that's definitely not representative.

B. Polls on the forums are very easy to skew, especially if there's reason to believe the voting population is further skewed by getting people from a guild to go vote. It works both ways. A anti-faction lock guild can "get out the vote" just as much as a pro-faction lock guild, and because of Point A, its still meaningless no matter who does it.

Which is to say that "the poll supports my point of view" is a bad argument without some serious qualifications (like 56% of the 179 posters from various campaigns, servers and platforms who voted support my point of view as of the most recent poll).

I'm just really skeptical of all forum polls that attempt to gauge opinion of game-wide systems because of the small population, lack of nuance, and the non-representative nature of the active forum posters. And I care because as a teacher it hurts me a little to see posters misunderstand and misuse statistics like in these polls for their arguments. I care about critical thinking, using stats correctly, and making good arguments, because making faulty arguments doesn't help anyone's case.

bugmom

Ok, so some people don’t want faction locks and some people do. Why do the people opposed to faction locks believe they have a right to take that option away from the rest of us who like them? What is wrong with having both options? If you don’t support faction locks,then JOIN A CAMPAIGN THAT DOESNT HAVE THEM!

I, for one, am finding PvP with faction lock to be much more enjoyable, like in the old days in eso. People are starting to try to understand strategy more, learning how to play the map, coordinating between guilds etc. Yes, there is still far too much cheating, but the game has a purpose when you play for your faction.

Notice that I’m not saying “lock all the campaigns!” Because I do understand that some of you prefer to faction swap. Fine. Enjoy. Just please leave kaagrontiid alone!

SirAndy

ellahellabella wrote: »

In a way this is true because he called you wrong which is complete disregard in its sense BUT, next time instead of going straight into attacks, stay calm and ask "How am I wrong?"
You'll make a lot more progress that way in the art of diplomacy.

I said they were wrong because they implied that i have valid options for my 5 mains, but from my point of view they are wrong because there is no 30 day CP enabled campaign without faction lock.

That is the campaign type i have been playing for many years and now 4 of my 5 mains are locked out from playing in that campaign type.

So yes, from where i'm standing, the notion of "having options" is wrong. The only "option" i have left is to play in a campaign type i don't enjoy, which means i am not playing at all.


PS: Maybe this is a cultural thing (I'm not American), but where i'm from, telling someone they are wrong is not a insult or bullying.

Ranger209

Miriel wrote: »

Earthewen wrote: »

@ellahellabella Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. In some ways though, and his history of speaking is proof, you cannot be reasonable with unreasonable people. He's just one of those people ...

Everyone group hug !

Hug fight!!!

Master_Kas

bugmom wrote: »

Ok, so some people don’t want faction locks and some people do. Why do the people opposed to faction locks believe they have a right to take that option away from the rest of us who like them? What is wrong with having both options? If you don’t support faction locks,then JOIN A CAMPAIGN THAT DOESNT HAVE THEM!

I, for one, am finding PvP with faction lock to be much more enjoyable, like in the old days in eso. People are starting to try to understand strategy more, learning how to play the map, coordinating between guilds etc. Yes, there is still far too much cheating, but the game has a purpose when you play for your faction.

Notice that I’m not saying “lock all the campaigns!” Because I do understand that some of you prefer to faction swap. Fine. Enjoy. Just please leave kaagrontiid alone!

This goes both ways.

msalvia

Like every other yes or no question, this is oversimplified. There are good and bad things about it. And there's one thing that fixes the cons while keeping the pros: alliance change tokens.

OtarTheMad

I do and I don't. I think that the lock has made things a bit better. However, just like I guessed this does not help out other campaigns. Players will just sit in a que of 100+ vs going to another campaign which means we only have one real active campaign.

So now, since I am EP, if the que is too long I'd jump into another campaign... but that one is dead cause when players sit in a que it seems they just running around pve zones. So instead of being able to log into an AD or DC character to join the fun I have to just conclude that I won't be able to PvP that day.

Dominion_Nightblade

At this point it does not matter. A wise person once said faction locks are whatever until they fix the lag. I agree 100%. I've played with and without locks, its whatever. I can get behind all toons playing one faction for the month. All my toons have always been ad, so it does not matter. Screw the locks, fix the lag! I've already unsubbed again due to lag. If I have to play specific hours of the day such as early morning and late night, I won't pay a fee.

Defilted

I bet if tommorrow there was alliance change available and a person moved all there toons to one alliance. They where able to play with friends. They would be back on the forums the next saying allaince lock is bad for a different reason.

I think there needs to be a 30 day lock and 30 day non lock.

Then the non lock people can then say there is not enough players and blame it on allaince lock.

jaws343

Defilted wrote: »

I bet if tommorrow there was alliance change available and a person moved all there toons to one alliance. They where able to play with friends. They would be back on the forums the next saying allaince lock is bad for a different reason.

I think there needs to be a 30 day lock and 30 day non lock.

Then the non lock people can then say there is not enough players and blame it on allaince lock.

Moving all toons to one alliance isn't a solution to the friends dilemma. It is a solution to the characters locked out of rewards dilemma. But if people had their friends all on one alliance, then no one would be complaining about that. The issue is, people have friends from all alliances, guilds are built around all alliances, peoples friends have friends that have toons on all alliances.

dotme

jaws343 wrote: »

The issue is, people have friends from all alliances, guilds are built around all alliances, peoples friends have friends that have toons on all alliances.

Well, yes - but there's a campaign for that, too. So I'm still not sure I understand the issue, unless it's the "7 day" nature of the alternate CP campaign? Maybe ZOS should spin up a 30-day non-locked CP campaign? Would that go a long way towards pleasing people?

KingExecration

dotme wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

The issue is, people have friends from all alliances, guilds are built around all alliances, peoples friends have friends that have toons on all alliances.

Well, yes - but there's a campaign for that, too. So I'm still not sure I understand the issue, unless it's the "7 day" nature of the alternate CP campaign? Maybe ZOS should spin up a 30-day non-locked CP campaign? Would that go a long way towards pleasing people?

I’d 100% opt for that. It pleases both sides and even spread some people out to another campaign. Xbox NA the 7 day is dead except for the occasional bar pushing emp or when I tell my guild it’s 3x ap and we run around in there till it’s out.

Flake

What happened?

maxjapank

Flake wrote: »

What happened?

Flake wrote: »

What happened?

bash bash bash bash bash bash bash bash happened

Mr_Walker

Miriel wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

ATomiX96 wrote: »

Morgul667 wrote: »

Yes im happy with it

Most people i know do,

a few forum warriors are against it pretending they are elite

ironic if you take a look at the poll

You do know that most forum polls are not statistically relevant because they self select from a relatively small and definitely non representative population, right?

That's true no matter what the poll or the result, BTW.

The active forum population is just too small to get statistically significant results, and 169 votes at last I looked is definitely too small.

I teach enough with statistics that it hurts a little when people think this forum polls are somehow proving anything, either way. They really don't. At most, they prove that "of the participants on the forums who answered (a tiny and non representive number), X players think Y."

yes, and it becomes even more aparent when same few try to drive the same agenda over and over by creating more and more threads just swamping the forum... Mods should just merge all these threads into one, their just anoying at this point, espechially since its essentially the same people doing it over and over...

Have you been in all the "pro-lock" threads suggesting similar? If not, be carefuly, your bias is showing....

Mr_Walker

Ahtu wrote: »

I strongly support faction locks and Cyrodiil has been so much better with them in place. There's no more trolling and everyone works together as a team more.

Sorry, sir, we aren't allowed by law to serve you any more alcohol.

Savos_Saren

This is the first "anti lock" thread that I've seen with more people agreeing that the lock is bad. It does seem like it's been manipulated on purpose.

coletas

I only play one character and i cant play sometimes with some Friends. Is very stupid, ... I would just ban forever the bad guys that make dirty thing and that is all, but punish everybody??? Lol

Dutchessx

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kpittsniperb14_ESO

Earthewen wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Earthewen wrote: »

I don't know why we have to even have this … You have a choice. If you don't like the faction locks, go play on a server that doesn't have them. If you like them, play on a server that does. It's that simple.

@Earthewen
Show me a 30 day CP campaign without faction lock and i'll happily join that with each of my 5 mains.

Until then, you are wrong ...

@SirAndy Spoken like a person who thinks that with their loud mouthed complaining and crying they can control the world around them.

It worked for the pro faction lock folks so...….

Earthewen

kpittsniperb14_ESO wrote: »

Earthewen wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Earthewen wrote: »

I don't know why we have to even have this … You have a choice. If you don't like the faction locks, go play on a server that doesn't have them. If you like them, play on a server that does. It's that simple.

@Earthewen
Show me a 30 day CP campaign without faction lock and i'll happily join that with each of my 5 mains.

Until then, you are wrong ...

@SirAndy Spoken like a person who thinks that with their loud mouthed complaining and crying they can control the world around them.

It worked for the pro faction lock folks so...….

not really. If I had had my way, EVERY server would be locked. Why? Here's why …

No faction locks = Why don't you swap factions and come over here where I can kill you repeatedly for ap ticks. I'd like to get emp.

Dutchessx

Earthewen wrote: »

kpittsniperb14_ESO wrote: »

Earthewen wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Earthewen wrote: »

I don't know why we have to even have this … You have a choice. If you don't like the faction locks, go play on a server that doesn't have them. If you like them, play on a server that does. It's that simple.

@Earthewen
Show me a 30 day CP campaign without faction lock and i'll happily join that with each of my 5 mains.

Until then, you are wrong ...

@SirAndy Spoken like a person who thinks that with their loud mouthed complaining and crying they can control the world around them.

It worked for the pro faction lock folks so...….

not really. If I had had my way, EVERY server would be locked. Why? Here's why …

No faction locks = Why don't you swap factions and come over here where I can kill you repeatedly for ap ticks. I'd like to get emp.

So throw the baby out with the bath water... always the way to go.

Master_Kas

Savos_Saren wrote: »

This is the first "anti lock" thread that I've seen with more people agreeing that the lock is bad. It does seem like it's been manipulated on purpose.

Or after a month of fAcTiOn lOcKs many players got sick of not being able to use their alts on campaigns which has actual players in them?

ATomiX96

Earthewen wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Earthewen wrote: »

I don't know why we have to even have this … You have a choice. If you don't like the faction locks, go play on a server that doesn't have them. If you like them, play on a server that does. It's that simple.

@Earthewen
Show me a 30 day CP campaign without faction lock and i'll happily join that with each of my 5 mains.

Until then, you are wrong ...

@SirAndy Spoken like a person who thinks that with their loud mouthed complaining and crying they can control the world around them.

When you cant come up with a counter-argument, so you have to insult the opposition.
nice.

Kr3do

There's a reason why they removed it before.
Your IQ must be lower than your Alliance Rank if you think faction lock did any good for the health of Cyrodiil and PvP.

bakermir

So yeah, majority of CP players support faction lock and majority of noCP players want it removed.

Can't we see the solution here?