Can we please remove DLC dungeons from random finder?

Attackfrog

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Attackfrog wrote: »

More options and scaled rewards is ALWAYS better.....

Nope again.

“Random” dungeon rewards means running a Random dungeon.

Pretty simple really.

Don’t want to run a random dungeon?

Totally fine.

Find a pre-made or queue for the entire list of non-DLC specific dungeons.

Yup, you definitely missed the point or possibly didn't read the thread.

Here's the tldr: scaling rewards to include harder content makes sense now that there is such a discrepancy between base and dlc dungeons. Literally NOBODY is harmed by including the option to scale this way. Newer players or those seeking easier content can q for it at the cost of rewards. It's almost like an extension of the reg and vet system we have now.

By your logic, qing for a "random" dungeon should include reg and vet dungeons because... "Random is random...." .

This game has evolved, so should the df system.

Drdeath20

I would only que up for dlc dungeons if i could

disintegr8

I'd go along with a selection of DLC or non-DLC in the dungeon finder.

Wouldn't really affect me as I only run randoms if leveling a character below level 45 and even then, only rarely.

Attackfrog

Drdeath20 wrote: »

I would only que up for dlc dungeons if i could

Me too (sometimes)!

Imagine scaling rewards for vet dlc random dungeons....

Bobby_V_Rockit

Random is not random if it contains two sets of criteria. Group 1 are those that don’t sub or buy the content. They get the random dungeons they have access too (base game). Group 2 subs or buys the dlc, they get all the dungeons.

The difference here is choice. Group one gets exactly what they want, but group two are forced into a product they never wanted with no way of opting out. Why should group 1 be rewarded any differently? They aren’t forced into dlc and they get full rewards. I just want that option too.

By all means if thats your thing, go for it, leave them toggled on then. Scale the rewards all you like, its well about time some better rewards came from it anyway.

Swen_von_Walhallion

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

I dont do DLC dungeons, I dont enjoy them, I NEED to get gud but after 4 years this is as good as I’m going to get. I havent bought any, they just show up because ESO+.

At least please consider making it a toggle. If I didnt pay for it, I dont want it. I just wanna stick to good old normal base game dungeons please.

Luv Bobby

Edit: I should note that I do not queue for Vet dungeons at all, thats a *** move to the people that actually want to do them.

have easy solution for you, cancel your ESO+ and your problem is solved, no more DLC dungeons in QQ for you.

Glurin

One of the problems with separating DLC dungeons from the random queue is there are a lot of people who, by their own admission, would opt out, thereby shrinking the number of players available for those dungeons. That means much longer queue times if you're trying to get into one of those dungeons. Considering the only people with access to those dungeons are ESO+ subs and people who bought the DLCs, that shrinkage is going to be a pretty big issue.

I get the difficulty situation, but you're going to have to make up for that loss somehow or we might end up in a situation where it's nigh impossible to use the group finder to get a group for any of those DLC dungeons.

Muzzick

Find out which of your friends don't sub and queue with them

Glurin

Muzzick wrote: »

Find out which of your friends don't sub and queue with them

I suddenly have this image of you grabbing your buddy who's in a wheelchair and putting him in your car against his will just so you can use the handicap space.

Aznarb

Can we plz remove bad player from dungeon finder ?

Hell, again now I just run tempest island (yeah this easy one) with a bunch of idiot that was awful..
Like DPS with shield (yeah, with a *** shield), standing in AOE of the last Boss or running away and getting OS by the jump, and no they're not new, CP 500+ for all.

I've try to explain them the easy strat, but no, they continue doing s*** ...

I should just stop running with random group, the good encounter I've aren't enough to outweigh the bad.
Can't believe I start to be toxic sometime because how stupid some people are..

Bobby_V_Rockit

Aznarb wrote: »

Can we plz remove bad player from dungeon finder ?

Hell, again now I just run tempest island (yeah this easy one) with a bunch of idiot that was awful..
Like DPS with shield (yeah, with a *** shield), standing in AOE of the last Boss or running away and getting OS by the jump, and no they're not new, CP 500+ for all.

I've try to explain them the easy strat, but no, they continue doing s*** ...

I should just stop running with random group, the good encounter I've aren't enough to outweigh the bad.
Can't believe I start to be toxic sometime because how stupid some people are..

Wasnt me, I’m queued for it in normal mode now

mobicera

I'm sorry you can't port to fungal grotto 1 anymore for your quick rewards.
But I stand by it don't que for random if you don't want to run a random.
Dropping instantly or asking to be kicked if you don't get your fungal 1 or daily undaunted or whatever in your random is just selfish.
Yes you are used in random to backfill other groups queuing for a specific dungeon that doesn't invalidate fact that you qued for a random dungeon and may get any dungeon from the list.

Bobby_V_Rockit

mobicera wrote: »

I'm sorry you can't port to fungal grotto 1 anymore for your quick rewards.
But I stand by it don't que for random if you don't want to run a random.
Dropping instantly or asking to be kicked if you don't get your fungal 1 or daily undaunted or whatever in your random is just selfish.
Yes you are used in random to backfill other groups queuing for a specific dungeon that doesn't invalidate fact that you qued for a random dungeon and may get any dungeon from the list.

Why would you think anyone is porting straight to Fungal Grotto? Is it so hard for you to understand I DONT LIKE THE DLC DUNGEONS AND DID NOT BUY THEM FOR THAT REASON? Nothing to do with the rewards, nothing to do with exp (CP1010), I just dont like the headache and just want the option to turn off what I didnt want or buy to begin woth, sheesh.

mobicera

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

I'm sorry you can't port to fungal grotto 1 anymore for your quick rewards.
But I stand by it don't que for random if you don't want to run a random.
Dropping instantly or asking to be kicked if you don't get your fungal 1 or daily undaunted or whatever in your random is just selfish.
Yes you are used in random to backfill other groups queuing for a specific dungeon that doesn't invalidate fact that you qued for a random dungeon and may get any dungeon from the list.

Why would you think anyone is porting straight to Fungal Grotto? Is it so hard for you to understand I DONT LIKE THE DLC DUNGEONS AND DID NOT BUY THEM FOR THAT REASON? Nothing to do with the rewards, nothing to do with exp (CP1010), I just dont like the headache and just want the option to turn off what I didnt want or buy to begin woth, sheesh.

But you did you subscribed to ESO+
If they remove the option to que for DLCs people will just take the easy route for the rewards and DLCs will probably never be pugged.
Lots of people just pug.
Lowering the pool of people to run the content hurts others.
If you don't want to run a random pre select the dungeons you want and you won't ever get the DLCs.
Then again you won't get the rewards but is the single transmutation crystal some XP and a purple item really that great?

TelvanniWizard

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

I'm sorry you can't port to fungal grotto 1 anymore for your quick rewards.
But I stand by it don't que for random if you don't want to run a random.
Dropping instantly or asking to be kicked if you don't get your fungal 1 or daily undaunted or whatever in your random is just selfish.
Yes you are used in random to backfill other groups queuing for a specific dungeon that doesn't invalidate fact that you qued for a random dungeon and may get any dungeon from the list.

Why would you think anyone is porting straight to Fungal Grotto? Is it so hard for you to understand I DONT LIKE THE DLC DUNGEONS AND DID NOT BUY THEM FOR THAT REASON? Nothing to do with the rewards, nothing to do with exp (CP1010), I just dont like the headache and just want the option to turn off what I didnt want or buy to begin woth, sheesh.

You´re totally right, we should be able to switch them off in the lfg tool. Just add a new tick "random dungeon-non DLC". Easy as pie.I don´t understand what is the problem in understanding this. I myself don´t care about doing dlc dungeons, be it normal or vet. But if some people want the option, a choice that only they would make, I don´t see why it should be denied to them.It´s like all those guys who are opposed to trials having a lfg tool, arguing that it would cause many problems. Well, sir, if you think it would be bad, don´t use it, nobody is forcing you to. But let the people who want to try it, to give it a chance, have it. Because, on ZOS coding part, adding wichever of these features woulnd´t be difficult at all.

idk

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I really think random should mean random and not be limited to base game or something.

This and Zos has a vested interest in keeping DLC dungeons relevant.

What Zos can do is make them an option and for those that opt in they get a better rewards based on how many DLCs dungeons they have access to.

Regardless, if Zos were to make DLCs an option for the random they need to give those that have access to them and opt in a better reward or reduce the reward for those who opt out.

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Agenericname wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

No random is random if you can't do vet DLCs stick to normal random.
Why should I be screwed in preformed groups who like DLCs because you are not good enough for them.

I don’t queue for vet, so yeah, thats a thing to.

If you can't even do normal DLCs you need to reevaluate your build...
Get a semblance of a rotation, drop dots then use a spamable.
You don't even have to weave to melt normal dungeons.
That sounds like a you problem not a zos problem.
But I will never support removing the more enjoyable dungeons from que

Its not so much a question of “can I do this dungeon?” but more “do I want to do this dungeon?”. Just make it a toggle in the collectable menu for owned DLC’s or something.

There is a toggle. In the drop down menu select "specific dungeon" and choose every dungeon that you want to do. Or is this about the rewards?

Ah ... now we get to the heart of the issue.

The OP wants their rewards with as little effort as possible.

Even if it only takes 5 minutes to review DLC dungeon mechanics online ...

“Random” is exactly what it implies ... Random.

At the core these topics tend to be about that. Getting the same reward for less risk.

I have suggested multiple times that the simplest solution is to provide an opt in for DLCs for a chance at a better reward or reduce the reward for those who opt out. People tend to balk at that. Unfortunately it seems to fall into that stream of entitlement.

redlink1979

Hmmm... No.

zaria

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

I'm sorry you can't port to fungal grotto 1 anymore for your quick rewards.
But I stand by it don't que for random if you don't want to run a random.
Dropping instantly or asking to be kicked if you don't get your fungal 1 or daily undaunted or whatever in your random is just selfish.
Yes you are used in random to backfill other groups queuing for a specific dungeon that doesn't invalidate fact that you qued for a random dungeon and may get any dungeon from the list.

Why would you think anyone is porting straight to Fungal Grotto? Is it so hard for you to understand I DONT LIKE THE DLC DUNGEONS AND DID NOT BUY THEM FOR THAT REASON? Nothing to do with the rewards, nothing to do with exp (CP1010), I just dont like the headache and just want the option to turn off what I didnt want or buy to begin woth, sheesh.

If you are above cp cap why do you do random dungeons? Outside of leveling alts or just for fun?

wishlist14

Firstly, if you group up with low lever characters you wont get placed in a dlc dungeon so invite your low level guildies or friends and queue up for random normals. You have a right to say you don't like doing DLC dungeons. This is your post. When I started out I found them terrifying due to my anxiety. My gear wasn't great back then either. Once you get some higher cp and better gear it gets easier if you learn the mechanics. Dlc dingeons are heavier on mechanics so study them, take notes and practice one dlc over and over until you get better and more confident. Personaly i found the easiest of all dlc is Falkreath keep on non vampire character. Watch a utube guide if you need to and learn the mechanics. Overcome your fears and arm yourself with know how....mechanics, mechanics and dont stand in red....You can do it. You know you can choose your normal dungeons right?

Im pugging trials now and nearly got 3 full sets of trial gear for 2 of my dps (mag and stam ) and heals. If I can do it you can. But if you are absolutely against it at this time then accept the way things are and find what works for you. It's great that you are putting this out here in the forums that is what these are for. I'm saying in the meantime, while things are as they are with dungeon finder you need to find a way to not stress so much about getting dlc dungeons. I suggest you group up with low level characters to avoid getting put into dlc dungeons.

Bealeb319

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I really think random should mean random and not be limited to base game or something.

People who do not have eso plus and do not have the purchase of the dlc chapters do not get stuck in those dungeons.

HappyLittleTree

No

Raisin

Something to consider: if doing random dungeons with DLC enabled gives better rewards, it could easily misconstrued as P2W. It may seem fair for people who choose the lower rewards, but probably less so for people who don't have the choice? Sure, this is already the case (owning DLC means good sets, extra pledge), but this would be more blatant.
Especially if you got the rewards just for queuing that way, even if you ended up in a base game dungeon. Do you want people to get more EXP for running a base game dungeon just cause they took the chance?Or do you want the extra EXP locked behind RNG, until people are upset they're NOT getting DLC?

Just food for thought. As many have pointed out, the feature you're looking for already exists. It's called "specific dungeon" . You still get EXP for it -- just less, cause it's not random.

Coatmagic

Muzzick wrote: »

Find out which of your friends don't sub and queue with them

^ Will this work? I mean if we are grouped with our one bud who doesn't sub or own any dlc and he ques for us oh.. neat!
Seriously never crossed our minds xD derp... ty

OrphanHelgen

You can do random normal and get the same reward, why you have to do random vet?

Fermian

It should be based on a difficulty rating imo. Its not just about not wanting to do dlc, the current system will send unskilled players to dlcs. In this cause it also becomes an issue for the more experienced player who does want to do this dlc.

HappyLittleTree

You can also switch Dungeon after you get into random Dungeon you don't like and still get the Random reward.

Bobby_V_Rockit

zaria wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

I'm sorry you can't port to fungal grotto 1 anymore for your quick rewards.
But I stand by it don't que for random if you don't want to run a random.
Dropping instantly or asking to be kicked if you don't get your fungal 1 or daily undaunted or whatever in your random is just selfish.
Yes you are used in random to backfill other groups queuing for a specific dungeon that doesn't invalidate fact that you qued for a random dungeon and may get any dungeon from the list.

Why would you think anyone is porting straight to Fungal Grotto? Is it so hard for you to understand I DONT LIKE THE DLC DUNGEONS AND DID NOT BUY THEM FOR THAT REASON? Nothing to do with the rewards, nothing to do with exp (CP1010), I just dont like the headache and just want the option to turn off what I didnt want or buy to begin woth, sheesh.

If you are above cp cap why do you do random dungeons? Outside of leveling alts or just for fun?

Just for fun, its like going to a theme park and the dungeons are one of the rides to me

code65536

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I really think random should mean random and not be limited to base game or something.

But why am I being punished for having a subscription? People without ESO+ dont have to worry about it.

You're not being punished. You're being rewarded with meaningful content.

I queue for random vets. I dread it when I get a base game dungeon. DLC dungeons are where the fun is at.

Heelie

How about removing the dungeon finder so that people actually have to try and talk to each other in an MMO?

Fermian

code65536 wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I really think random should mean random and not be limited to base game or something.

But why am I being punished for having a subscription? People without ESO+ dont have to worry about it.

You're not being punished. You're being rewarded with meaningful content.

I queue for random vets. I dread it when I get a base game dungeon. DLC dungeons are where the fun is at.

Sounds to me that you want the same thing but with different reasons.