The tanky meta
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Stx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I see a lot of complaining about tanky builds but also a lot of comments citing lag and poor performance in cyrodiil plus zerg groups...
Lag is certainly not a reason to nerf anything, and zerg groups exist in every "large scale" pvp game and are impossible to balance around because larger numbers will always lead to an advantage no matter what game you're playing.
I see no evidence or reasoning to nerf tanky setups at all. It seems to me that very specific sets like fury or 7th legion need their weapon damage reduced but thats it. There is no mythical build that is super tanky, can sustain, and also deals massive damage.4 -
SacredEarth✭✭Toc de Malsvi wrote: »I’ve seen it over and over again. A so-called “tanky” build running around a rock being chased by a handful of players, and all I have to do is hit them with one reverb and they drop in 2 seconds. I think there are just so many pvpers that have zero clue how to put together a decent build, and this makes a lot of players with more than 15k mitigations look tanky.
Then again, I’ve also seen the tanky bleed build that can endlessly spam vigor/blood craze and still hurt you bad with leap/DB, so they exist, but I don’t think they’re as common as people claim. There are just so many people that can’t build for decent damage/pen/defiling.
I don't think its all about bad builds for damage. I think the inability to kill certain players has a lot more to do with server performance, connection speed, and individual skill performance. There are times when I cannot get my instant cast skills to even cast on guys who are tree humping.
They come out from running and I can blow them up. But quite often the game gets stuck trying to decide if I can cast something.
When I am in PVE I can bar swap cancel, block cancel, LA weave and otherwise cast a lot of abilities very quickly. In PVP everything seems to bog down to the point where I let all keys and mouse go except for spamming one ability and it takes a couple seconds to go off... In PVE I can break free before anyone else in a group, due to my extensive PVPing. In PVP it seems buggy and unresponsive (with plenty of stam) and the so called immunity after breaking free doesnt always work either.
Since realizing this from multiple experiences I have given up on my efforts to become a great pvper... I still do BGs but not with the same try-hard intensity, it just isn't worth my time or effort.3 -
jadarock✭✭✭✭✭@SacredEarth For me personally trying to weave in cyrodiil is not even an option most days so I dont even attempt it.
I'm a very competitive person but there comes a point were you realize some people have better ping or server connection or whatever and if they aren't brain dead or afk you aren't going to kill them even with 7k+ weapon damage and smooth burst rotation. Its very frustrating. I try not to feed ap to the other factions but if I die I just dgaf anymore. I know 75% of the time I'm respawning because a bar swap or potion or skill failed to work properly.
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Lokey0024✭✭✭✭✭I'm still getting shredded with 28k resists and blocking. Can't fathom trying a Light or medium armor setup outside of no cp, even then still not so sure.2 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I'm still getting shredded with 28k resists and blocking. Can't fathom trying a Light or medium armor setup outside of no cp, even then still not so sure.
Same. I have no clue what these people are talking about when they say unkillable tanks, I assumed it was CP nonsense?
Maybe people who don’t know how to pvp when their 3 button burst combo fails?Edited by Iskiab on June 15, 2019 9:15PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
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Lokey0024✭✭✭✭✭
I've seen the unkillable tanks, but they barely hit harder then my passive health regen.0 -
CatchMeTrolling✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm still getting shredded with 28k resists and blocking. Can't fathom trying a Light or medium armor setup outside of no cp, even then still not so sure.
That’s because it’s more than just about having decent resistance, you have to make use of them too. Plus that resistance is going to get cut down, that’s why having access to major and minor protection is good.
Fighting someone like me would put you at 8,619 resistance.
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Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »I'm still getting shredded with 28k resists and blocking. Can't fathom trying a Light or medium armor setup outside of no cp, even then still not so sure.
That’s because it’s more than just about having decent resistance, you have to make use of them too. Plus that resistance is going to get cut down, that’s why having access to major and minor protection is good.
Fighting someone like me would put you at 8,619 resistance.
Yea, usually when I see tanky types they’re jumping while holding block looking for a rock to crawl under. One fear and they go down fast.Edited by Iskiab on June 15, 2019 9:36PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
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Lokey0024✭✭✭✭✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »I'm still getting shredded with 28k resists and blocking. Can't fathom trying a Light or medium armor setup outside of no cp, even then still not so sure.
That’s because it’s more than just about having decent resistance, you have to make use of them too. Plus that resistance is going to get cut down, that’s why having access to major and minor protection is good.
Fighting someone like me would put you at 8,619 resistance.
You got a build that can actually kill someone with those passives?0 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »I'm still getting shredded with 28k resists and blocking. Can't fathom trying a Light or medium armor setup outside of no cp, even then still not so sure.
That’s because it’s more than just about having decent resistance, you have to make use of them too. Plus that resistance is going to get cut down, that’s why having access to major and minor protection is good.
Fighting someone like me would put you at 8,619 resistance.
You got a build that can actually kill someone with those passives?
What do you mean? Major protection isn’t too hard to get, minor too. Pen is the best pvp dps stat.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
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Lokey0024✭✭✭✭✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »I'm still getting shredded with 28k resists and blocking. Can't fathom trying a Light or medium armor setup outside of no cp, even then still not so sure.
That’s because it’s more than just about having decent resistance, you have to make use of them too. Plus that resistance is going to get cut down, that’s why having access to major and minor protection is good.
Fighting someone like me would put you at 8,619 resistance.
You got a build that can actually kill someone with those passives?
What do you mean? Major protection isn’t too hard to get, minor too. Pen is the best pvp dps stat.
I'm all ears. I play a Stamdk, help me out.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »I'm still getting shredded with 28k resists and blocking. Can't fathom trying a Light or medium armor setup outside of no cp, even then still not so sure.
That’s because it’s more than just about having decent resistance, you have to make use of them too. Plus that resistance is going to get cut down, that’s why having access to major and minor protection is good.
Fighting someone like me would put you at 8,619 resistance.
You got a build that can actually kill someone with those passives?
What do you mean? Major protection isn’t too hard to get, minor too. Pen is the best pvp dps stat.
I'm all ears. I play a Stamdk, help me out.
Pirate Skeleton -> Major protection
Undo on back bar -> minor protection
Throw in Vampirism for up to 33% more damage reduction at low health.
You won’t be unbeatable, but you’ll last longer.
My MagDk runs all of the above, in light armor. It works.Edited by ChunkyCat on June 15, 2019 10:10PM2 -
CatchMeTrolling✭✭✭✭✭
✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »I'm still getting shredded with 28k resists and blocking. Can't fathom trying a Light or medium armor setup outside of no cp, even then still not so sure.
That’s because it’s more than just about having decent resistance, you have to make use of them too. Plus that resistance is going to get cut down, that’s why having access to major and minor protection is good.
Fighting someone like me would put you at 8,619 resistance.
You got a build that can actually kill someone with those passives?
Yes & in medium. In my rune I have 32k resistance on my back bar, 27/28k out of it. Knowing it’s possible to get cut down I run minor and major. I sit at 4K weapon damage and 12,725 flat pen without including minor fracture and 20 percent from maul.
You’re a stam dk so naturally you’re tankier than my stamplar with better heals, so it should be easier for you.
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Lokey0024✭✭✭✭✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »I'm still getting shredded with 28k resists and blocking. Can't fathom trying a Light or medium armor setup outside of no cp, even then still not so sure.
That’s because it’s more than just about having decent resistance, you have to make use of them too. Plus that resistance is going to get cut down, that’s why having access to major and minor protection is good.
Fighting someone like me would put you at 8,619 resistance.
You got a build that can actually kill someone with those passives?
Yes & in medium. In my rune I have 32k resistance on my back bar, 27/28k out of it. Knowing it’s possible to get cut down I run minor and major. I sit at 4K weapon damage and 12,725 flat pen without including minor fracture and 20 percent from maul.
You’re a stam dk so naturally you’re tankier than my stamplar with better heals, so it should be easier for you.
Your ps4 na, right? Guess I'll see it in action sometime.0 -
CatchMeTrolling✭✭✭✭✭
✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »I'm still getting shredded with 28k resists and blocking. Can't fathom trying a Light or medium armor setup outside of no cp, even then still not so sure.
That’s because it’s more than just about having decent resistance, you have to make use of them too. Plus that resistance is going to get cut down, that’s why having access to major and minor protection is good.
Fighting someone like me would put you at 8,619 resistance.
You got a build that can actually kill someone with those passives?
Yes & in medium. In my rune I have 32k resistance on my back bar, 27/28k out of it. Knowing it’s possible to get cut down I run minor and major. I sit at 4K weapon damage and 12,725 flat pen without including minor fracture and 20 percent from maul.
You’re a stam dk so naturally you’re tankier than my stamplar with better heals, so it should be easier for you.
Your ps4 na, right? Guess I'll see it in action sometime.
No.
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Lokey0024✭✭✭✭✭Someone stole your shtick then. And you told me a lot of numbers and didn't really say much. Should I take you litteralEdited by Lokey0024 on June 16, 2019 12:04AM0
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Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »I'm still getting shredded with 28k resists and blocking. Can't fathom trying a Light or medium armor setup outside of no cp, even then still not so sure.
That’s because it’s more than just about having decent resistance, you have to make use of them too. Plus that resistance is going to get cut down, that’s why having access to major and minor protection is good.
Fighting someone like me would put you at 8,619 resistance.
You got a build that can actually kill someone with those passives?
Yes & in medium. In my rune I have 32k resistance on my back bar, 27/28k out of it. Knowing it’s possible to get cut down I run minor and major. I sit at 4K weapon damage and 12,725 flat pen without including minor fracture and 20 percent from maul.
You’re a stam dk so naturally you’re tankier than my stamplar with better heals, so it should be easier for you.
Is that in CP or no-CP? Whenever people talk about great stats like that I think I’m missing something as stam. I can’t replicate the numbers without terrible sustain, what sets are you using?Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »I'm still getting shredded with 28k resists and blocking. Can't fathom trying a Light or medium armor setup outside of no cp, even then still not so sure.
That’s because it’s more than just about having decent resistance, you have to make use of them too. Plus that resistance is going to get cut down, that’s why having access to major and minor protection is good.
Fighting someone like me would put you at 8,619 resistance.
You got a build that can actually kill someone with those passives?
Yes & in medium. In my rune I have 32k resistance on my back bar, 27/28k out of it. Knowing it’s possible to get cut down I run minor and major. I sit at 4K weapon damage and 12,725 flat pen without including minor fracture and 20 percent from maul.
You’re a stam dk so naturally you’re tankier than my stamplar with better heals, so it should be easier for you.
Is that in CP or no-CP? Whenever people talk about great stats like that I think I’m missing something as stam. I can’t replicate the numbers without terrible sustain, what sets are you using?
Let's just gander at the build vs itself.
Let's say mobile fight so not in rune; 28k - 20%, 22.4-12725= 9.7 so against himself his resistance will typically provide 15ish % mitigation vs himself.
Meaning he'll get 25% ish outta major protection
Clearly we see why major protection > 30kish resistance ish
The major protection alone is almost 66% better than his armor resistance0 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »I'm still getting shredded with 28k resists and blocking. Can't fathom trying a Light or medium armor setup outside of no cp, even then still not so sure.
That’s because it’s more than just about having decent resistance, you have to make use of them too. Plus that resistance is going to get cut down, that’s why having access to major and minor protection is good.
Fighting someone like me would put you at 8,619 resistance.
You got a build that can actually kill someone with those passives?
Yes & in medium. In my rune I have 32k resistance on my back bar, 27/28k out of it. Knowing it’s possible to get cut down I run minor and major. I sit at 4K weapon damage and 12,725 flat pen without including minor fracture and 20 percent from maul.
You’re a stam dk so naturally you’re tankier than my stamplar with better heals, so it should be easier for you.
Is that in CP or no-CP? Whenever people talk about great stats like that I think I’m missing something as stam. I can’t replicate the numbers without terrible sustain, what sets are you using?
Let's just gander at the build vs itself.
Let's say mobile fight so not in rune; 28k - 20%, 22.4-12725= 9.7 so against himself his resistance will typically provide 15ish % mitigation vs himself.
Meaning he'll get 25% ish outta major protection
Clearly we see why major protection > 30kish resistance ish
The major protection alone is almost 66% better than his armor resistance
Yea, I was going a bit off topic. I just mean whenever I use the build editor to make a stam build I go 5m-2h. I feel like to get decent weapon power I need to use weapon power runes so my weapon damage doesn’t suck, so my sustain takes a hit.
I’m not sure how to build for sustain as stam.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »I'm still getting shredded with 28k resists and blocking. Can't fathom trying a Light or medium armor setup outside of no cp, even then still not so sure.
That’s because it’s more than just about having decent resistance, you have to make use of them too. Plus that resistance is going to get cut down, that’s why having access to major and minor protection is good.
Fighting someone like me would put you at 8,619 resistance.
You got a build that can actually kill someone with those passives?
Yes & in medium. In my rune I have 32k resistance on my back bar, 27/28k out of it. Knowing it’s possible to get cut down I run minor and major. I sit at 4K weapon damage and 12,725 flat pen without including minor fracture and 20 percent from maul.
You’re a stam dk so naturally you’re tankier than my stamplar with better heals, so it should be easier for you.
Is that in CP or no-CP? Whenever people talk about great stats like that I think I’m missing something as stam. I can’t replicate the numbers without terrible sustain, what sets are you using?
Let's just gander at the build vs itself.
Let's say mobile fight so not in rune; 28k - 20%, 22.4-12725= 9.7 so against himself his resistance will typically provide 15ish % mitigation vs himself.
Meaning he'll get 25% ish outta major protection
Clearly we see why major protection > 30kish resistance ish
The major protection alone is almost 66% better than his armor resistance
Yea, I was going a bit off topic. I just mean whenever I use the build editor to make a stam build I go 5m-2h. I feel like to get decent weapon power I need to use weapon power runes so my weapon damage doesn’t suck, so my sustain takes a hit.
I’m not sure how to build for sustain as stam.
Iirc you were looking at sDK correct? I don't play one myself, however I've heard a lot of sustain comes from the battle roar (I think) passive along with heavy attacks.
The Stam builds I've ran that are in the lower end of Stam Regen would be those that are DW and I definitely use heavy attacks for sustain.0 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »I'm still getting shredded with 28k resists and blocking. Can't fathom trying a Light or medium armor setup outside of no cp, even then still not so sure.
That’s because it’s more than just about having decent resistance, you have to make use of them too. Plus that resistance is going to get cut down, that’s why having access to major and minor protection is good.
Fighting someone like me would put you at 8,619 resistance.
You got a build that can actually kill someone with those passives?
Yes & in medium. In my rune I have 32k resistance on my back bar, 27/28k out of it. Knowing it’s possible to get cut down I run minor and major. I sit at 4K weapon damage and 12,725 flat pen without including minor fracture and 20 percent from maul.
You’re a stam dk so naturally you’re tankier than my stamplar with better heals, so it should be easier for you.
Is that in CP or no-CP? Whenever people talk about great stats like that I think I’m missing something as stam. I can’t replicate the numbers without terrible sustain, what sets are you using?
Let's just gander at the build vs itself.
Let's say mobile fight so not in rune; 28k - 20%, 22.4-12725= 9.7 so against himself his resistance will typically provide 15ish % mitigation vs himself.
Meaning he'll get 25% ish outta major protection
Clearly we see why major protection > 30kish resistance ish
The major protection alone is almost 66% better than his armor resistance
Yea, I was going a bit off topic. I just mean whenever I use the build editor to make a stam build I go 5m-2h. I feel like to get decent weapon power I need to use weapon power runes so my weapon damage doesn’t suck, so my sustain takes a hit.
I’m not sure how to build for sustain as stam.
Iirc you were looking at sDK correct? I don't play one myself, however I've heard a lot of sustain comes from the battle roar (I think) passive along with heavy attacks.
The Stam builds I've ran that are in the lower end of Stam Regen would be those that are DW and I definitely use heavy attacks for sustain.
Didn't account for minor vulnerability either. So it's really 22% off major protection. The armor might win out.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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LordTareq✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »I'm still getting shredded with 28k resists and blocking. Can't fathom trying a Light or medium armor setup outside of no cp, even then still not so sure.
That’s because it’s more than just about having decent resistance, you have to make use of them too. Plus that resistance is going to get cut down, that’s why having access to major and minor protection is good.
Fighting someone like me would put you at 8,619 resistance.
You got a build that can actually kill someone with those passives?
Yes & in medium. In my rune I have 32k resistance on my back bar, 27/28k out of it. Knowing it’s possible to get cut down I run minor and major. I sit at 4K weapon damage and 12,725 flat pen without including minor fracture and 20 percent from maul.
You’re a stam dk so naturally you’re tankier than my stamplar with better heals, so it should be easier for you.
Is that in CP or no-CP? Whenever people talk about great stats like that I think I’m missing something as stam. I can’t replicate the numbers without terrible sustain, what sets are you using?
Let's just gander at the build vs itself.
Let's say mobile fight so not in rune; 28k - 20%, 22.4-12725= 9.7 so against himself his resistance will typically provide 15ish % mitigation vs himself.
Meaning he'll get 25% ish outta major protection
Clearly we see why major protection > 30kish resistance ish
The major protection alone is almost 66% better than his armor resistance
Your math is wrong. Maul penetration comes last not first in the equation so you end up with 12.6k resistance not 9.71 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »I'm still getting shredded with 28k resists and blocking. Can't fathom trying a Light or medium armor setup outside of no cp, even then still not so sure.
That’s because it’s more than just about having decent resistance, you have to make use of them too. Plus that resistance is going to get cut down, that’s why having access to major and minor protection is good.
Fighting someone like me would put you at 8,619 resistance.
You got a build that can actually kill someone with those passives?
Yes & in medium. In my rune I have 32k resistance on my back bar, 27/28k out of it. Knowing it’s possible to get cut down I run minor and major. I sit at 4K weapon damage and 12,725 flat pen without including minor fracture and 20 percent from maul.
You’re a stam dk so naturally you’re tankier than my stamplar with better heals, so it should be easier for you.
Is that in CP or no-CP? Whenever people talk about great stats like that I think I’m missing something as stam. I can’t replicate the numbers without terrible sustain, what sets are you using?
Let's just gander at the build vs itself.
Let's say mobile fight so not in rune; 28k - 20%, 22.4-12725= 9.7 so against himself his resistance will typically provide 15ish % mitigation vs himself.
Meaning he'll get 25% ish outta major protection
Clearly we see why major protection > 30kish resistance ish
The major protection alone is almost 66% better than his armor resistance
Your math is wrong. Maul penetration comes last not first in the equation so you end up with 12.6k resistance not 9.7
Should be this:
Armor Mitigation = 1-((((armor - major/minor pen)*(1 - percentage debuff ) - flat debuff)/(66 * 1000))))= final percentageMinno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lol, let's just assume my math is off (which is like going to mean a 3% damage difference)
My point is, look at what it takes to get decent mitigation via resistance vs major protection
The investment required for major protection is minimal while providing essentially the same mitigation amount as 27kish resistance in this meta. - that's like heavy amor plus some additional resistance vs pirate skele/other major protection sources1 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »I'm still getting shredded with 28k resists and blocking. Can't fathom trying a Light or medium armor setup outside of no cp, even then still not so sure.
That’s because it’s more than just about having decent resistance, you have to make use of them too. Plus that resistance is going to get cut down, that’s why having access to major and minor protection is good.
Fighting someone like me would put you at 8,619 resistance.
You got a build that can actually kill someone with those passives?
Yes & in medium. In my rune I have 32k resistance on my back bar, 27/28k out of it. Knowing it’s possible to get cut down I run minor and major. I sit at 4K weapon damage and 12,725 flat pen without including minor fracture and 20 percent from maul.
You’re a stam dk so naturally you’re tankier than my stamplar with better heals, so it should be easier for you.
Is that in CP or no-CP? Whenever people talk about great stats like that I think I’m missing something as stam. I can’t replicate the numbers without terrible sustain, what sets are you using?
Let's just gander at the build vs itself.
Let's say mobile fight so not in rune; 28k - 20%, 22.4-12725= 9.7 so against himself his resistance will typically provide 15ish % mitigation vs himself.
Meaning he'll get 25% ish outta major protection
Clearly we see why major protection > 30kish resistance ish
The major protection alone is almost 66% better than his armor resistance
Your math is wrong. Maul penetration comes last not first in the equation so you end up with 12.6k resistance not 9.7
Should be this:
Armor Mitigation = 1-((((armor - major/minor pen)*(1 - percentage debuff ) - flat debuff)/(66 * 1000))))= final percentage
This is correct, ends up being what I said. Looks like the ‘tanky meta’ is actually the ‘undervalue pen’ meta.Edited by Iskiab on June 16, 2019 8:34PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
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CatchMeTrolling✭✭✭✭✭
✭CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »I'm still getting shredded with 28k resists and blocking. Can't fathom trying a Light or medium armor setup outside of no cp, even then still not so sure.
That’s because it’s more than just about having decent resistance, you have to make use of them too. Plus that resistance is going to get cut down, that’s why having access to major and minor protection is good.
Fighting someone like me would put you at 8,619 resistance.
You got a build that can actually kill someone with those passives?
Yes & in medium. In my rune I have 32k resistance on my back bar, 27/28k out of it. Knowing it’s possible to get cut down I run minor and major. I sit at 4K weapon damage and 12,725 flat pen without including minor fracture and 20 percent from maul.
You’re a stam dk so naturally you’re tankier than my stamplar with better heals, so it should be easier for you.
Is that in CP or no-CP? Whenever people talk about great stats like that I think I’m missing something as stam. I can’t replicate the numbers without terrible sustain, what sets are you using?
What about it is so great? I run the same thing in no cp. Less pen in there but could easily replicate it by slotting major fracture which I don’t normally use, it’s not needed because people are already squishier. As far as resistance I run SNB back bar with defending and I have one protective. In CP I have a little over 2,000 regen plus rune, in no cp it’s 1800-1900 something.
Also I think the focus is often too much on sets, which doesn’t help. The key part typically comes from traits, race, CP and food.
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✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »CatchMeTrolling wrote: »I'm still getting shredded with 28k resists and blocking. Can't fathom trying a Light or medium armor setup outside of no cp, even then still not so sure.
That’s because it’s more than just about having decent resistance, you have to make use of them too. Plus that resistance is going to get cut down, that’s why having access to major and minor protection is good.
Fighting someone like me would put you at 8,619 resistance.
You got a build that can actually kill someone with those passives?
Yes & in medium. In my rune I have 32k resistance on my back bar, 27/28k out of it. Knowing it’s possible to get cut down I run minor and major. I sit at 4K weapon damage and 12,725 flat pen without including minor fracture and 20 percent from maul.
You’re a stam dk so naturally you’re tankier than my stamplar with better heals, so it should be easier for you.
Is that in CP or no-CP? Whenever people talk about great stats like that I think I’m missing something as stam. I can’t replicate the numbers without terrible sustain, what sets are you using?
Let's just gander at the build vs itself.
Let's say mobile fight so not in rune; 28k - 20%, 22.4-12725= 9.7 so against himself his resistance will typically provide 15ish % mitigation vs himself.
Meaning he'll get 25% ish outta major protection
Clearly we see why major protection > 30kish resistance ish
The major protection alone is almost 66% better than his armor resistance
Your math is wrong. Maul penetration comes last not first in the equation so you end up with 12.6k resistance not 9.7
Should be this:
Armor Mitigation = 1-((((armor - major/minor pen)*(1 - percentage debuff ) - flat debuff)/(66 * 1000))))= final percentage
This is correct, ends up being what I said. Looks like the ‘tanky meta’ is actually the ‘undervalue pen’ meta.
Yea I posted it for everyone's reference
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Tank meta is actually block, dampen mag/Sorc shield, Vulnerability subtraction.
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