What's the point of going past stage 2 Vampirism? PVE

Ohjay82 · May 2019

Maybe i'm missing something (likely) but I don't see a lot of upside of going to stage 3 or 4 vampirism. All you gain is reduced vampire ability costs, do people even use these in pve?

To me it makes sense to stay in stage 2 to get the recovery.

I feel like I am missing something, please enlighten me

Thanks!

siddique · May 2019

Undeath passive isn't half bad. Plus you crouch faster and don't move like a snail while crouching.

Banana · May 2019

Stage 4 is my preference. Undeath and speedy crouch.

Alpheu5 · May 2019

The Undeath passive can make a huge difference when you're on the verge of death, and the sneak speed bonus is a big plus when doing speed runs to sneak by mobs, and fighting the Indrik in MoS.

The extra fire damage is a borderline non-issue.

Hippie4927 · May 2019

Like the others, I stay in stage 4 for Undeath and Dark Stalker.

siddique · May 2019

Yeah I did my first vma clear as a stage 4 vamp, those crem guards are annoying though lol.

MojaveHeld · May 2019

For PvE tanks who are vampires, the undeath passive is one of the best parts. Vamp tanks pretty much always stay in stage 4.

Jeremy · May 2019

Ohjay82 wrote: »

Maybe i'm missing something (likely) but I don't see a lot of upside of going to stage 3 or 4 vampirism. All you gain is reduced vampire ability costs, do people even use these in pve?

To me it makes sense to stay in stage 2 to get the recovery.

I feel like I am missing something, please enlighten me

Thanks!

To be honest, for PvE there is a good argument to be made it's not even worth it to get stage 2. Stage 4 I'd say is a bad deal for PvE all around. Nightblade is really the only class that can significantly benefit from stage 4 vampire in my opinion - since they are an ideal stealth class.

To those suggesting the extra fire damage taken is a non-issue all I can say is... ha ha.

Jeremy · May 2019

MojaveHeld wrote: »

For PvE tanks who are vampires, the undeath passive is one of the best parts. Vamp tanks pretty much always stay in stage 4.

I disagree. My tank is much better off in PvE not taking 25% increased fire damage than he is sporting that undeath passive. In fact - I would highly recommend any Vampire tanks feed to stage one before doing any difficult PvE content that involves nasty fire damage. It's not pretty what it does to you.

Milchbart · May 2019

Jeremy wrote: »

Ohjay82 wrote: »

Maybe i'm missing something (likely) but I don't see a lot of upside of going to stage 3 or 4 vampirism. All you gain is reduced vampire ability costs, do people even use these in pve?

To me it makes sense to stay in stage 2 to get the recovery.

I feel like I am missing something, please enlighten me

Thanks!

To those suggesting the extra fire damage taken is a non-issue all I can say is... ha ha.

^

It is ... being a Dark Elf.

Jeremy · May 2019

Milchbart wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Ohjay82 wrote: »

Maybe i'm missing something (likely) but I don't see a lot of upside of going to stage 3 or 4 vampirism. All you gain is reduced vampire ability costs, do people even use these in pve?

To me it makes sense to stay in stage 2 to get the recovery.

I feel like I am missing something, please enlighten me

Thanks!

To those suggesting the extra fire damage taken is a non-issue all I can say is... ha ha.

^

It is ... being a Dark Elf.

I'm skeptical. But admittedly I've never played as a dark elf to test this out for myself.

Ildun · May 2019

Basically all

Undeath - life saver

Unnatural resistance - always appreciate more health recovery, double or rather half of your normal health recovery before you became vampire

Dark Stalker - must have for those who like to sneak, especially now with the Vesture of Darloc Brae set, I'm sneaking ALL THE TIME!

HappyLittleTree · May 2019

Stage 4 all the way, increased fire damage is so minimal it doesn't even have an impact.

hakan · May 2019

Milchbart wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Ohjay82 wrote: »

Maybe i'm missing something (likely) but I don't see a lot of upside of going to stage 3 or 4 vampirism. All you gain is reduced vampire ability costs, do people even use these in pve?

To me it makes sense to stay in stage 2 to get the recovery.

I feel like I am missing something, please enlighten me

Thanks!

To those suggesting the extra fire damage taken is a non-issue all I can say is... ha ha.

^

It is ... being a Dark Elf.

Jeremy wrote: »

Milchbart wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Ohjay82 wrote: »

Maybe i'm missing something (likely) but I don't see a lot of upside of going to stage 3 or 4 vampirism. All you gain is reduced vampire ability costs, do people even use these in pve?

To me it makes sense to stay in stage 2 to get the recovery.

I feel like I am missing something, please enlighten me

Thanks!

To those suggesting the extra fire damage taken is a non-issue all I can say is... ha ha.

^

It is ... being a Dark Elf.

I'm skeptical. But admittedly I've never played as a dark elf to test this out for myself.

Ehm.. Dark elf Stamblade here. That passive equals around %3 mitigation so in other words, OMEGALOL.

Ildun · May 2019

At least you become white elf

sionIV · May 2019

Everyone knows that you gain a minimum of 30% of your DPS from having a character that looks good.

Good looking Imperial :130% DPS
Average looking Imperial: 100% DPS
Bad looking Imperial: 70% DPS

Any Khajiit: 50% DPS

Stage 1: 90%
Stage 2: 80%
Stage 3: 70%
Stage 4: 50%

If you have to play a vampire, then make it a gorgeous Imperial and stay at stage 1 for 120% DPS!

Nimrhys · May 2019

The vampire skills do more damage but you get less health etc. Personally found it a bit boring.

Elwendryll · May 2019

sionIV wrote: »

Everyone knows that you gain a minimum of 30% of your DPS from having a character that looks good.

Good looking Imperial :130% DPS
Average looking Imperial: 100% DPS
Bad looking Imperial: 70% DPS

Any Khajiit: 50% DPS

Stage 1: 90%
Stage 2: 80%
Stage 3: 70%
Stage 4: 50%

If you have to play a vampire, then make it a gorgeous Imperial and stay at stage 1 for 120% DPS!

All this time I've been actually doing 80k dps but it was just because I was playing khajiit, thanks for enlightening me!

Jeremy · May 2019

hakan wrote: »

Milchbart wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Ohjay82 wrote: »

Maybe i'm missing something (likely) but I don't see a lot of upside of going to stage 3 or 4 vampirism. All you gain is reduced vampire ability costs, do people even use these in pve?

To me it makes sense to stay in stage 2 to get the recovery.

I feel like I am missing something, please enlighten me

Thanks!

To those suggesting the extra fire damage taken is a non-issue all I can say is... ha ha.

^

It is ... being a Dark Elf.

Jeremy wrote: »

Milchbart wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

Ohjay82 wrote: »

Maybe i'm missing something (likely) but I don't see a lot of upside of going to stage 3 or 4 vampirism. All you gain is reduced vampire ability costs, do people even use these in pve?

To me it makes sense to stay in stage 2 to get the recovery.

I feel like I am missing something, please enlighten me

Thanks!

To those suggesting the extra fire damage taken is a non-issue all I can say is... ha ha.

^

It is ... being a Dark Elf.

I'm skeptical. But admittedly I've never played as a dark elf to test this out for myself.

Ehm.. Dark elf Stamblade here. That passive equals around %3 mitigation so in other words, OMEGALOL.

Was this sarcastic? 3% is omega?

I hope this was sarcastic. ^^

But anyway, if you're a night blade i can understand you liking the Vampire. That's the one class I think stage 4 makes sense for in PvE.

sionIV · May 2019

Elwendryll wrote: »

sionIV wrote: »

Everyone knows that you gain a minimum of 30% of your DPS from having a character that looks good.

Good looking Imperial :130% DPS
Average looking Imperial: 100% DPS
Bad looking Imperial: 70% DPS

Any Khajiit: 50% DPS

Stage 1: 90%
Stage 2: 80%
Stage 3: 70%
Stage 4: 50%

If you have to play a vampire, then make it a gorgeous Imperial and stay at stage 1 for 120% DPS!

All this time I've been actually doing 80k dps but it was just because I was playing khajiit, thanks for enlightening me!

Imagine what you could do with a good looking race! I swoon just thinking of the heights that you could climb.

zvavi · May 2019

I mean, the skin from vSP covers the looks superbly. Fire damage is another 25% at stage 4, which is a bummer, but u know, when there is no fire damage it is neglectable, when the fire damage is small, it is neglectable. When the fire damage will be coming from everywhere, u can always just drink some bloody mara (120 gold~ to reduce to stage 1, just repair costs from not dying cover that)

Jeremy · May 2019

zvavi wrote: »

I mean, the skin from vSP covers the looks superbly. Fire damage is another 25% at stage 4, which is a bummer, but u know, when there is no fire damage it is neglectable, when the fire damage is small, it is neglectable. When the fire damage will be coming from everywhere, u can always just drink some bloody mara (120 gold~ to reduce to stage 1, just repair costs from not dying cover that)

That approach works so long as you don't use your vampire abilities regularly. it's pretty easy to control your stages depending on what kind of PvE you're doing.

If you use your vampire abilities regularly though good luck staying out of stage 4. You're going to need it.

Minyassa · May 2019

For me, the appeal is simply laziness. Not hunting or making blood pots. xD

sudaki_eso · May 2019

Jeremy wrote: »

To those suggesting the extra fire damage taken is a non-issue all I can say is... ha ha.

Dont stand in stupid

Standing in fire will kill you anyway no matter if you are a vampire or not. Its good practice to stay out of it.

Jeremy · May 2019

sudaki_eso wrote: »

Jeremy wrote: »

To those suggesting the extra fire damage taken is a non-issue all I can say is... ha ha.

Dont stand in stupid Standing in fire will kill you anyway no matter if you are a vampire or not. Its good practice to stay out of it.

There is a lot of fire damage on this game you can't stand out of - especially if you are tanking.

I see a lot of young vampires learn this lesson the hard way when they fight that world boss in stone falls who uses the flame whip. That's usually their first encounter with nasty fire damage.

code65536 · May 2019

For general gameplay--questing, town stuff, etc., stage 4 is best because of the sneak passive.

For tanks in PvE dungeons/trials, stage 3 is best because Undeath is pretty potent on players with high health.

For everyone else in PvE dungeons/trials, stage 2 is best because it's the minimum stage to get the regen passive.

That said, I'm usually in stage 4 in dungeon/trials because I'm too lazy to manage my vamp stage and I lower the stage only if doing content that is particularly fire-intensive.

MojaveHeld · May 2019

Jeremy wrote: »

MojaveHeld wrote: »

For PvE tanks who are vampires, the undeath passive is one of the best parts. Vamp tanks pretty much always stay in stage 4.

I disagree. My tank is much better off in PvE not taking 25% increased fire damage than he is sporting that undeath passive. In fact - I would highly recommend any Vampire tanks feed to stage one before doing any difficult PvE content that involves nasty fire damage. It's not pretty what it does to you.

No, that's incorrect. Even in vAS HM, where you are taking tons of damage and the fire during execute phase packs a punch, you come out better overall as the tank if you are in stage 4. Numerically, that undeath passive greatly outweighs the increased fir damage you take.

Minno · May 2019

With vulnerabilities, its been found that percentage based mitigation subtracts from these vulnerabiltiies. So that 25% fire dmg, needs major protection to cancel out in order for the last 5% to start calculating manipulatively.

Drop to vamp 2 or deslot vamp.

D0PAMINE · May 2019

Jeremy wrote: »

Ohjay82 wrote: »

Maybe i'm missing something (likely) but I don't see a lot of upside of going to stage 3 or 4 vampirism. All you gain is reduced vampire ability costs, do people even use these in pve?

To me it makes sense to stay in stage 2 to get the recovery.

I feel like I am missing something, please enlighten me

Thanks!

To be honest, for PvE there is a good argument to be made it's not even worth it to get stage 2. Stage 4 I'd say is a bad deal for PvE all around. Nightblade is really the only class that can significantly benefit from stage 4 vampire in my opinion - since they are an ideal stealth class.

To those suggesting the extra fire damage taken is a non-issue all I can say is... ha ha.

When I get riddled with fire I just mist form. Im loving mist form on my tanks so much now.

Lisutaris · May 2019

Who cares about those passives.... Stage 2 is not as ugly as stage 3 or 4 .... THIS!

dragonz868 · May 2019

Everyone is scared of fire damage when they are new.. I have at least 5 vamps and they never leave stage 4. Yes I do vet dungeons, vet trials and vet Maelstrom and never feed. It is not as bad as you think. Get all your passives in and you are fine. They are a damage dealers.