Is it time for a third set of class ability morphs?

katorga

Yes

That is one thing I liked about Rift; expansions added more souls (skill lines in eso) to the existing classes. You could have an endless mix of builds, and respec easily with stored setups. It was pretty engaging.

xAk_MoRRoWiNdx

Yes

Give us more stamina morphs!

HowlKimchi

No

Can I get magicka morphs of weapon executes as well?

DisgracefulMind

No

Can we stop suggesting RP things? The devs can't even balance as is.

darkblue5

Yes

HaruKamui wrote: »

Can I get magicka morphs of weapon executes as well?

TBH I'd love mag DW support. Ye olde golde mag dual wield. Just doing morphs wouldn't be enough but ZOS could make light attacks scale off max stats and hit lowest armor value (maybe). Maybe could get a stamina energy orb too?

Vapirko

No

Absolutely not. They can’t even normalize and balance what’s there now. Not to mention this spike the power of players at a time when they’re trying to curb power keep. ESO functions well as a limited skills game no reason to fix what ain’t broke.

darkblue5

Yes

Vapirko wrote: »

Absolutely not. They can’t even normalize and balance what’s there now. Not to mention this spike the power of players at a time when they’re trying to curb power keep. ESO functions well as a limited skills game no reason to fix what ain’t broke.

We're talking about something that prolly has a 0.00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% chance of happening. Some dreams are most beautiful when they can only be dreams.

Ryanoxx

No

Jabassa wrote: »

As stated, do you think our class abilities should have a third morph option at this point into the game? Class skills only though. Please list your reasons why yes or no

-edit-
I ask for two reasons, it keeps them from screwing up our already good skills, and allows room for more stam morphs

they couldn't balance it

Jabassa

Yes

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

Can we stop suggesting RP things? The devs can't even balance as is.

RP? Who's RPing? I'm coming from a 100% PvP standpoint

Daedric_NB_187

Yes

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Jabassa wrote: »

See edit

Yea...your edit basically confirmed what I expected. Stamina players demanding more stuff at the expense - even if only indirectly - of Magicka builds. Always wanting more and more class morphs, while already having overall superior options when it comes to weapon skills. You specifically mention not making any changes to weapons in the process, so that only your chosen way of playing benefits; after all, we certainly wouldn't want Magicka builds taking up any development time, would we? Nah, leave those Magicka Wardens and Necromancers with really poor offensive options, as long as your Stam setup(s) gets a smorgasbord of choices.

Jesus I wish I could find the post that somebody did that showed even with all the weapon skills, magicka skills still outnumber stamina by over half. With the majority of the classes being magicka morph dominant by a large margin. So please. Go somewhere with your bs "woe is me" crying about magicka.

Azaduur

Yes

Options are amazing, I love options, I'm all about more options. Before that's even thought of though, we should talk more about how to rework existing morphs of certain abilities to be even somewhat viable and also an Undaunted ultimate.

Mettaricana

Yes

Honestly a 3rd morph to everything would be great they could even bring back old versions of skills we lost to berfs and changes like bring back the dk molten weapon that gave the heavy attack dmg buff, re add the self dot aura that the cauterize skill had before changed to a fire ball. Bring back the original crit surge that healed based on dmg dealt, even could add hybrid skills if they wanted like say warden could get a pink netch that heals all 3 stats over time, toss in a stam crystal frag morph, add air attonach that does phsyical wind dmg for storm atto morph. Bound weapon morph for the bound arma and aegis that maybe adds a berserk buff. Lot they could do bringing back the old and just adding a new option that doesnt destroy an exsisting one

I also vote add some 3rd weapon morphs like add a dps no taunt morph for sword and board and give a tankier taunt option for two hander like make a brawler morph that cone taunts enemies hit.

Facefister

Yes

Is it time? It's long overdue.

_Ahala_

Yes

More potential for class identity and build diversity

mcagatayg

No

they can hardly balance the game we have atm, so no...

wheem_ESO

No

Daedric_NB_187 wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Jabassa wrote: »

See edit

Yea...your edit basically confirmed what I expected. Stamina players demanding more stuff at the expense - even if only indirectly - of Magicka builds. Always wanting more and more class morphs, while already having overall superior options when it comes to weapon skills. You specifically mention not making any changes to weapons in the process, so that only your chosen way of playing benefits; after all, we certainly wouldn't want Magicka builds taking up any development time, would we? Nah, leave those Magicka Wardens and Necromancers with really poor offensive options, as long as your Stam setup(s) gets a smorgasbord of choices.

Jesus I wish I could find the post that somebody did that showed even with all the weapon skills, magicka skills still outnumber stamina by over half. With the majority of the classes being magicka morph dominant by a large margin. So please. Go somewhere with your bs "woe is me" crying about magicka.

Pure number of skills doesn't mean much. After all, Soul Trap is a "Magicka" skill with "Magicka" morphs, but how often does it get used in any halfway meaningful content - either PvP or PvE? It's possible to make a solid Stamina build out of almost entirely non-Class skills, but you could in no way do the same thing for Magicka; if we didn't "dominate" the number of class skills, no one would play Magicka for anything other than dedicated healers.

You simply can't have Stam Sorcs with a Crystal Frag + Curse combo on top of Bleeds and the rest of their toolkit, especially when Magicka builds would most likely not benefit much, if any, from extra class morphs.

universal_wrath

Yes

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/471144/4th-class-skill-line-or-third-ability-morph#latest

Should combine the two threads together, almost same results.

Finedaible

No

While I do think there needs to be some way to de-polarize some of the magicka/stamina ability scaling (which is due mostly to CP passives tbh), I do not have the confidence that they will be able to balance a third skill morph on top of everything else. It is an interesting idea, but I'd rather they make skills up-gradable for 1 skill point and allow us to use use EITHER morph on our skill bars but not both simultaneously. This would make it so that we would not have to spend gold all the time when jumping between PvP and PvE due to having the wrong morphs selected. I'm tired of having to switch morphs, stats, and gear every time i want to jump into Cyrodill or Battlegrounds. The experience needs to be more seamless.

fullheartcontainer

No

Most of the skills already have 1 morph that's useable and 1 useless morph. Adding a third morph doesn't add build diversity if the core issue of morphs being nonviable isn't fixed

Pr0Skygon

No

2 problems:
1. Making a third morph for every single skills in this game right now requires a lot of work, meaning you'll most likely not gonna to see them in near future.
2. Even with only 2 options, ZOS is still struggling with balancing the game, or even make both morph of the same skill feel somewhat viable. A third morph option might solve the balance problem, but there will also be a possibility that it will make things much much worse.

NupidStoob

Yes

I'd love if they would add it, but let's be honest they have a hard time even balancing the current abilities and are still adding more skilllines regardless...

What I would prefer much more for now would be the option to unlock both morphs but only ever be able to have either on your bars. So if I slot dark conversion there should be no way for me to put dark deal on my bars except to unslot dark conversion first. It would really help with a few abilities like rally/forward momentum depending on wether you run heavy or medium armor.

Sevn

Yes

Who wants to guess the no votes are mostly from mag users content with most class skills already being magic?

Nemesis7884

Yes

3 morphs could allow for a magicka morph, a stamina morph and a pvp morph... could make for an overall better distinction and experience between pvp and pve....it seems to me that more and more stamina morphs seem to get "hijacked" for pvp...

But i also doubt they will do this...

Another thing they could have done - which would probably have been the best solutions anyhow - is to make most skills automatically scale to your highest statistic - stamina or magicka and also automatically change the damage type (like the domihaus set does)... this way you'd essentially get 4 options out of 2 skills and therefere a TRUE CHOICE between 2 skills

idk

No

I say no for two reasons. First is adding a second tier of morphs means significantly more skill points required. The other is Zos is already over their head with what they have now. We do not need to add to their plate until and unless they can figure out how to run the game well.

Jabassa wrote: »

With something like this, maybe even hybrid could be viable, lol. Think about it

A hybrid will never be viable unless Zos changes the foundation of character creation and combat design.

GallantGuardian

Yes maybe then we can get a version of shards that actually aoe immobilizes and maybe a health based heal somewhere in the Templar tree

Kyoma

Time for health morphs!