Is it time for a third set of class ability morphs?

Jabassa

As stated, do you think our class abilities should have a third morph option at this point into the game? Class skills only though. Please list your reasons why yes or no

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I ask for two reasons, it keeps them from screwing up our already good skills, and allows room for more stam morphs

coop500

Yes

More options is better! But I don't think they're gonna do it.

kalunte

No

it would be awesome, but since the combat team cant deal with the actual game, i voted no.

there are already sinking with what they have. sorry

wheem_ESO

No

Sounds like it could be a fair bit of extra work, and would most likely end up primarily benefitting Stamina builds, since they'd all be clamoring for at least 1 Stam Morph of every class ability in the game. Meanwhile, Magicka would still be left with overall underwhelming (at least for PvP) Destro and Resto Staves, while probably not benefitting much, if any, from the extra class morphs added to the game.

Rex-Umbra

Yes

Yes need magic morphs for melee weapons also light and heavy attacks damage should go off of highest stat so we can play the way we want.

Elwendryll

No

I don't think they're able to do that. They can't even make a class change. Their database must be a mess.
What they could do is making the base ability a morph as powerful as the other choices, so that would make 3 morphs.

Jeezye

No

They dont even keep the exisiting morphs updates, let alone introduced a complete new set of variables and broken s**t.

This one would swallow a fur ball if ZOS actually managed to handle their existing game.

Vercingetorix

No

What? Why? Should we introduce the fabled HEALTH MORPH? Two options is fine if both options are viable and each serve their intended purpose. If one of those two options isn't effective, it should be looked at and fixed.

technohic

No

Already have plenty of lesser to unused morphs. Probably should get 2 to be appealing before adding a 3rd.

Gilvoth

Yes

sounds interesting, i would love to see it.

and to all those saying "no", one mans trash is another mans treasure, just because you dont like it doesnt mean others dont.
many of us would love to have 3rd morphs.

Jabassa

Yes

Pednick wrote: »

The pvp nerf cryers are already at a psychological breaking point, do you really want their little useless heads to explode?

Yes, yes I definitely do! Then they won't be around to cause as many nerfs 🍻

Jabassa

Yes

See edit

ghastley

Please clarify your question. Are you proposing the existing two-way choice become a three-way one, or adding a third level of each skill, so you end up with four final results from two two-way options?

The latter could more easily be added on to what we already have.

darkblue5

Yes

Yes, though I imagine it'd take a team of 1000 coders 1000 years to make it possible.

wheem_ESO

No

Jabassa wrote: »

See edit

Yea...your edit basically confirmed what I expected. Stamina players demanding more stuff at the expense - even if only indirectly - of Magicka builds. Always wanting more and more class morphs, while already having overall superior options when it comes to weapon skills. You specifically mention not making any changes to weapons in the process, so that only your chosen way of playing benefits; after all, we certainly wouldn't want Magicka builds taking up any development time, would we? Nah, leave those Magicka Wardens and Necromancers with really poor offensive options, as long as your Stam setup(s) gets a smorgasbord of choices.

Mudcrabber

No

I want passives to have morphs, especially racials.

Gilvoth

Yes

i love the way the edit.
well done, this will give us better choices.
very intelligent idea.

Mintaka5

Yes

Hell yes! I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see this happen. Especially if it breaks the game.

Jabassa

Yes

ghastley wrote: »

Please clarify your question. Are you proposing the existing two-way choice become a three-way one, or adding a third level of each skill, so you end up with four final results from two two-way options?

The latter could more easily be added on to what we already have.

@ghastley I meant the first thing you said but I like your second option better. 2 morphs become 4

Jabassa

Yes

Gilvoth wrote: »

i love the way the edit.
well done, this will give us better choices.
very intelligent idea.

We don't agree on everything, @Gilvoth but I'm glad we found some common ground 🍻

Jabassa

Yes

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Jabassa wrote: »

See edit

Yea...your edit basically confirmed what I expected. Stamina players demanding more stuff at the expense - even if only indirectly - of Magicka builds. Always wanting more and more class morphs, while already having overall superior options when it comes to weapon skills. You specifically mention not making any changes to weapons in the process, so that only your chosen way of playing benefits; after all, we certainly wouldn't want Magicka builds taking up any development time, would we? Nah, leave those Magicka Wardens and Necromancers with really poor offensive options, as long as your Stam setup(s) gets a smorgasbord of choices.

I specifically mentioned no weapon changes for a reason. It only makes sense for melee weapons to consume stam and staves to consume mag.

Furthermore, mag already has far more options. I also didn't say a new full set of stam morphs for every skill. I said it would be easier to add stam morphs for classes that lack them... like stam sorc

Anhedonie

No

I mean 2 morphs that we already have aren't there yet...

wheem_ESO

No

Jabassa wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Jabassa wrote: »

See edit

Yea...your edit basically confirmed what I expected. Stamina players demanding more stuff at the expense - even if only indirectly - of Magicka builds. Always wanting more and more class morphs, while already having overall superior options when it comes to weapon skills. You specifically mention not making any changes to weapons in the process, so that only your chosen way of playing benefits; after all, we certainly wouldn't want Magicka builds taking up any development time, would we? Nah, leave those Magicka Wardens and Necromancers with really poor offensive options, as long as your Stam setup(s) gets a smorgasbord of choices.

I specifically mentioned no weapon changes for a reason. It only makes sense for melee weapons to consume stam and staves to consume mag.

Furthermore, mag already has far more options. I also didn't say a new full set of stam morphs for every skill. I said it would be easier to add stam morphs for classes that lack them... like stam sorc

Stamina builds have twice as many weapon lines as Magicka builds do, and if we're comparing PvE dps only, they have triple the options. If they also get a bunch of class morphs to choose from, but no changes happen with weapon lines, Magicka gets left out in the cold. This is especially true in PvP, where most of the Magicka weapon skills aren't even used.

I get that Stamina players want more class morph options, but without corresponding changes to weapon skill lines, it comes across as pretty selfish.

Gilvoth

Yes

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Jabassa wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Jabassa wrote: »

See edit

Yea...your edit basically confirmed what I expected. Stamina players demanding more stuff at the expense - even if only indirectly - of Magicka builds. Always wanting more and more class morphs, while already having overall superior options when it comes to weapon skills. You specifically mention not making any changes to weapons in the process, so that only your chosen way of playing benefits; after all, we certainly wouldn't want Magicka builds taking up any development time, would we? Nah, leave those Magicka Wardens and Necromancers with really poor offensive options, as long as your Stam setup(s) gets a smorgasbord of choices.

I specifically mentioned no weapon changes for a reason. It only makes sense for melee weapons to consume stam and staves to consume mag.

Furthermore, mag already has far more options. I also didn't say a new full set of stam morphs for every skill. I said it would be easier to add stam morphs for classes that lack them... like stam sorc

I get that Stamina players want more class morph options, but without corresponding changes to weapon skill lines, it comes across as pretty selfish.

asking for a third morph for all skill, for everyone.
is not selfish, its wise investment.

wheem_ESO

No

Gilvoth wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Jabassa wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Jabassa wrote: »

See edit

Yea...your edit basically confirmed what I expected. Stamina players demanding more stuff at the expense - even if only indirectly - of Magicka builds. Always wanting more and more class morphs, while already having overall superior options when it comes to weapon skills. You specifically mention not making any changes to weapons in the process, so that only your chosen way of playing benefits; after all, we certainly wouldn't want Magicka builds taking up any development time, would we? Nah, leave those Magicka Wardens and Necromancers with really poor offensive options, as long as your Stam setup(s) gets a smorgasbord of choices.

I specifically mentioned no weapon changes for a reason. It only makes sense for melee weapons to consume stam and staves to consume mag.

Furthermore, mag already has far more options. I also didn't say a new full set of stam morphs for every skill. I said it would be easier to add stam morphs for classes that lack them... like stam sorc

I get that Stamina players want more class morph options, but without corresponding changes to weapon skill lines, it comes across as pretty selfish.

asking for a third morph for all skill, for everyone.
is not selfish, its wise investment.

But it won't be for everyone. What do you think happens when Templars receive another Magicka morph option for Rushed Ceremony? Do you really think Stamina Templars would all remain silent, even though a Stamina version of Breath of Life would end up being obscenely overpowered in PvP? Unless of course the morph was vastly different from its Magicka counterparts, which would of course mean a huge time and resource investment from ZOS.

The situation would end up being even worse for Sorcerers, since virtually any extra Magicka morphs would make the forums explode in outrage. But current Stam Sorc power in PvP, combined with some combination of Stamina versions of shields, Crystal Frags, or Curse would be an absolute nightmare. Imagine fighting a Mag Sorc that could move faster, dodge roll/break free more often, and apply bleeds on top of their usual combo. It would be broken.

Gilvoth

Yes

that would be for the devs to balance.
but the idea to 3rd moph on all the skills is a plus, not a minus.
more options is allways a good thing.

Jagdkommando

Yes

darkblue5 wrote: »

Yes, though I imagine it'd take a team of 1000 coders 1000 years to make it possible.

As a coder i can say its not a coder or any IT department issue. its lack of game-design engineering.

Stx

Yes

Yes. New morphs seem easier to implement than new skill lines, and with stamina morphs basically giving your choice no choice at all, a 3rd morph of every skill could provide some meaningful build Choices.

Jabassa

Yes

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Jabassa wrote: »

wheem_ESO wrote: »

Jabassa wrote: »

See edit

Yea...your edit basically confirmed what I expected. Stamina players demanding more stuff at the expense - even if only indirectly - of Magicka builds. Always wanting more and more class morphs, while already having overall superior options when it comes to weapon skills. You specifically mention not making any changes to weapons in the process, so that only your chosen way of playing benefits; after all, we certainly wouldn't want Magicka builds taking up any development time, would we? Nah, leave those Magicka Wardens and Necromancers with really poor offensive options, as long as your Stam setup(s) gets a smorgasbord of choices.

I specifically mentioned no weapon changes for a reason. It only makes sense for melee weapons to consume stam and staves to consume mag.

Furthermore, mag already has far more options. I also didn't say a new full set of stam morphs for every skill. I said it would be easier to add stam morphs for classes that lack them... like stam sorc

Stamina builds have twice as many weapon lines as Magicka builds do, and if we're comparing PvE dps only, they have triple the options. If they also get a bunch of class morphs to choose from, but no changes happen with weapon lines, Magicka gets left out in the cold. This is especially true in PvP, where most of the Magicka weapon skills aren't even used.

I get that Stamina players want more class morph options, but without corresponding changes to weapon skill lines, it comes across as pretty selfish.

Now, it would be nice to see Destro staff split into three individual lines. I've always said Destro staff is where the devs got lazy

Jabassa

Yes

@Gilvoth @wheem_ESO

Guys, it doesn't have to be just purely "no stam morph on this one? Give it one..."

Jabassa

Yes

With something like this, maybe even hybrid could be viable, lol. Think about it