Where is my inspect?

Fajin · May 2019

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Kel · May 2019

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Reverb · May 2019

I do not support player inspection in ESO. In my experience, inspection makes a game community more toxic and becomes a tool to be exclusionary towards new or casual players.

Or it just becomes a barrier to game play. I remember in other games it taking longer to complete the pre-raid inspection and pi$$ing contest than it did to actually run the raids. Let's not to that to ESO.

Competitive, end game ESO guilds have conversations and requirements for gearing and loadouts. If you're in one of those groups, your build, and every one else's will be open and transparent. If you're not competing at that level, people's gear just doesn't matter enough to introduce that level of judgement into pugs.

If you want to know about someone’s gear or build, ask them

Trinity_Is_My_Name · May 2019

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

You’ll be able to see a lot of this info on PC when the new patch hits in a little over a week. Just activate ESO logs and interact with the player in some way. I’m not sure exactly what is required to initiate logging another character, but if you fight against or with them, or even do something like healing them it should work. When you check the log it will show you all their gear and skills.

Nah, doesn't work that way.

Fajin · May 2019

Ok really sorry for offended solo players I found wrong words to express my opinion. What I was trying to say is: Play solo if you want just don't expect for your opinion to be prioritized in a discussion about multiplayer things

jainiadral · May 2019

Fajin wrote: »

Ok really sorry for offended solo players I found wrong words to express my opinion. What I was trying to say is: Play solo if you want just don't expect for your opinion to be prioritized in a discussion about multiplayer things

You're darn tooting I'm going to expect my opinion to be valued as much as everyone else here. I pay for ESO+, and I've bought the game just like everyone else on these forums. We are all players here, and we all have opinions and feedback we're entitled to offer on an equal basis.

Perhaps you should learn to socialize more constructively instead of expecting ZOS to do your work for you.

Fajin · May 2019

And everyone just got a little carried away. I wasn't talking about dungeon loot, I wasn't talking about DPS. "Inspect" Is to simply show Character window with an option to open achievements. It doesn't necessarily (hope spelled right) need to show stats.

Reverb · May 2019

Fajin wrote: »

And everyone just got a little carried away. I wasn't talking about dungeon loot, I wasn't talking about DPS. "Inspect" Is to simply show Character window with an option to open achievements. It doesn't necessarily (hope spelled right) need to show stats.

In your own words:

People should play in groups and interact and stuff

If you, or a raid leader, wants to know someone’s achievements it’s best done through dialogue. Ask them to link them in chat, talk to them about their level of experience. Many guilds require we post our parses and stats in Discord, which is part of the semi-private guild communication, with everyone willingly and intentionally posting their own data to be discussed.

To allow inspection without that interaction and express content will bring toxicity and exclusion to the game. There are plenty of games for that drama already, leave it out of eso.

Also -your written English is quite good.

jainiadral · May 2019

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

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ArcaneBlue wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

WrathOfInnos wrote: »

You’ll be able to see a lot of this info on PC when the new patch hits in a little over a week. Just activate ESO logs and interact with the player in some way. I’m not sure exactly what is required to initiate logging another character, but if you fight against or with them, or even do something like healing them it should work. When you check the log it will show you all their gear and skills.

It won’t, it only logs outgoing skills/buffs, location info, and incoming buffs/debuffs, along with the usual and additional damage details

Now, if their gear provides certain buffs, such as Alkosh, NMG, Sanctuary, Worm, any Trial set (Slayer), etc. that effects themselves or others, then the log will display it if/when it activates

@Jhalin You can definitely see all of their gear details and skill bars. Just click on a player when viewing a log.

there's no way to stop people from snooping what I'm wearing, even when I set myself as anon? is this opt in or out feature?

@ArcaneBlue It is default to anonymous, you have to enable it if you want your name to show up. Otherwise your build will be viewable to others that were in combat with you, but your name will show up as anonymous. Depending how many other people are around it may or may not be obvious who the anonymous players actually are.

A few other things to keep in mind:
- This can’t be viewed live, it must be uploaded and processed after combat is over
- It’s pretty inconvenient to use an external site for this, 99% of players won’t bother outside of organized groups
- Anything posted publicly cannot be linked back to anonymous players

Thanks for the update on the ESO logs thing

I hadn't been keeping up to date on it since the spate of threads a while ago. Anon by default is what I was hoping would happen. Fantastic news

anitajoneb17_ESO · May 2019

Fajin wrote: »

Like really, does it matter that much if someone starts calling you names on the internet?

I'd like to answer that particular question, because it's an argument that is very commonly used, but is, imho, invalid.

Do you care if the person you talk to "on the internet" are real people with a human intelligence or a or robots with an artificial intelligence ? When you come home in the evening, does it sound the same to you if you're greeted by your wife, or by Alexa/Siri/Cortana ?

Someone calling me "names" in ESO isn't a machine or a couple of pixels, it's a real person communicating with me over the internet, which is exactly the same as face-to-face, or over the phone, or over the email, or over a letter, etc. So yes, being called "names" in ESO isn't pleasant, and definitely not what someone is looking for in a game. Just like it's not pleasant to be called "names" by anyone in the street, or at home, or in the office, or in the subway, stranger or not. And similarly, I don't want anyone in the street to have a look into my handbag, even if I only have a handkerchief and a lipstick in there. It is a true matter of privacy. I don't wnat anyone in the streets telling me to "improve my life" by wearing Dior clothes instead of my usual Walmart clothes, because it's my money and I choose if I spend it on clothes or on holidays or on a computer rig or whatever. Just like, in the game, I get to choose how I spend my time and it doesn't have to be all about improving combat and gear and stats.

If you truly consider people in ESO to be just "anonymous strangers pixels" and you don't care that they behave rudely, then I'd give you a piece of anonymous stranger pixel advice : take care of yourself, and maybe disconnect for a while, because you're loosing touch with reality, and this is affecting your most basic social skills.

Fajin · May 2019

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rotifer_uk · May 2019

Fajin wrote: »

Lol, whis might seem rude, but why is everyone such a softie these days? "Oooh respect my privacy!" "Ooooh there will be discrimination about gear" etc etc. How does having gear and colors refer to privacy? Like really, does it matter that much if someone starts calling you names on the internet? If someone says "Wow, you're such a r****d, your gear isn't even orange!" Just block them lol. Elitists want attention and to be approved, because they wasted so much time grinding everything they have. There are, really, two ways dealing with them: 1. get them what they want, start asking questions, admiring them and they might stop being a D-bag and actually be polite. 2. As I said ignore and/or block them.

Edit: again, about privacy. I just don't understand howq is inspecting someone's character is creepy? I'm not watching you naked, I'm nor stealing your passport or credit card data. It's a fake character, there's nothing in the character that directly leads to you and may endanger your safety! (Well, if you didn't make his/her face exactly like yours)

I see it this way. I paid for a copy of this game with my money. I play on an internet connection paid for with my money. I pay for ESO Plus with my money. I have been playing since launch and have invested a lot of my time and effort into the Toons I currently run and learning the game. AFAIAC the characters I have created are "mine" and other players are not automatically entitled to examine them.

Fajin · May 2019

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Runkorko · May 2019

Fajin wrote: »

Okay, I think I'm gonna stop this discussion. (at least from my side, which means I won't reply) Conclusion: Everyone is scared of the toxicity, which is in my opinion completely irrelevant 'cause it's not IRL toxicity. (It's funny because some guy here called me sensetive and not everyone else, but I'm sensetive to the sensetivity to the toxicity. Mindblowing, right?) Aside from that and nonexistant stalkers for me inspect feature is great.

(By the way it's ironic how this discussion became really toxic and everyone stopped being chill lol)

Yep better stop.
And it is real life. Its you who play the damn game, paying with your real life time.
So please stop this " its just a game" BS.

CMDR_Un1k0rn · May 2019

Nestor wrote: »

If you want to know ask.

Are you implying we should be social in an MMO?

anitajoneb17_ESO · May 2019

Fajin wrote: »

I didn't say anything about IRL toxicity. IRL toxicity is a problem that I don't deny and completely agree with, it's 100% unpleasant and horrible.

IRL toxicity is exactly the same as online toxicity. If someone's toxic, they're toxic no matter the means of communication. The internet is a mean of communication just like any other, Making a difference between "online" and "IRL" is nonsensical, and that's where we disagree.
You asked why people are sensitive over things happening on the internet ? I gave you the answer - at least, my answer.

Fajin wrote: »

1. Internet conversations aren't the same as face-to-face. I'm not the one loosing touch with the reality here lol

They are the same. Exactly the same. Just like a phone conversation is the same as a face-to-face conversation. People would probably make a difference between the two back when the telephone was a recent invention, a century or so ago, but now noone makes a difference. They're real people talking to real people with real, meaningful words, in both cases.
It's the same for the internet. Wait a couple of decades (or probably even less) and the concept of "IRL vs. online" will have disappeared entirely. People already work together over the internet, meet their soulmates over the internet discuss life and all over the internet, do their shopping over the internet, etc.

Fajin wrote: »

2. Since it's not face-to-face there is a big chance you won't stumble upon this person again (+ on internet you can block people)

Wow, you probably haven't played much ESO. The game does a great job at putting people together and encouraging us to interact. ESO really feels like a small village where you stumble over the same people over and over and feel this is a great hangout place for you and all of your friends.
If "online" meant "anonymous/don't care"/never see again" there wouldn't be all the nice stories and friendships, and there would be none of the drama either. Believe me, ESO, while being "on the internet", is full of both.

Anhedonie · May 2019

It's in the game already. It's called "hey, would you mind sharing your setup?"

IzzyStardust · May 2019

Fajin wrote: »

Seriously, why there is still no inspect feature in this game? This will be so good! Not only it will be cool to look at other player's achievements, but to look at equipment of an expirienced player would benefit a lot of inexpirienced people! Or if you see some cool-looking guy just look up his costume and dyes! I get really annoyed when I se someone and think "I wonder what gear he has" then press "F" and there's nothing there! Or am I, as always, being stupid and at least something from what I mentioned you can already do?

I always tell people and wil even look up the colours etc for them.

I like to be asked - it makes me feel pretty.

IzzyStardust · May 2019

oddbasket wrote: »

I also wish people didn't know what drops other get in a dungeon run and beg others to give them and curse when they don't get it.

I would like people not to make what is a very rare occurrence seem like it’s common.

Most people on PC run loot add ons - a lot more than you think.

Also: someone saying ‘I can use that if you don’t need it’ is not someone harassing you.

It beats what happened to me - I have the add on but being the type to just say ‘I’m looking for hircine lightning’ and the person who got it sold it to his merchant to clear space for a treasure map and Oversold so it was not recoverable and I said it every chest and before last boss again - and what does he do?

Had I said: ‘that! That staff there! Give ya 20k!’ I might not still be farming it - and though its use is very niche, I was gonna give him 20k - but nope!

Ah well.

Anyway just because a couple people got shirty - that’s not everyone - so let’s don’t pretend it’s all the time. I guarantee more people run that than you realise. It’s part of many UI add ons and has several standalone versions.

IzzyStardust · May 2019

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

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Taleof2Cities wrote: »

I’m OK with an inspect option as long as players can toggle it off

Wont help. Will lead to "remove annonimous ,if you want to be invited to trial/vet dungeon"
We dont need such option.

If I’m pugging I already don’t care - if I want a fast clear I’m gonna ask for them to link the ach of the clear anyway. *shrugs*

WrathOfInnos · May 2019

If anyone is still unclear on the ability to inspect with ESO logs, here is a screenshot of the information you can view. Gear and abilities are all listed, and each of the tabs in the top left can be used to look at their actions in more detail. It’s a great system that will be incredibly helpful when optimizing groups.

Tigerseye · May 2019

No thanks.

Tigerseye · May 2019

Karius_Imalthar wrote: »

I've played other games where inspecting was a thing. It was normally polite to ask before just checking them out, HOWEVER, MMOs have evolved quite a bit and are not nearly as innocent as they once were. In ESO, players have the ability to link their items and achievements and I think this is enough. A player can share what they want to share.

They never asked in WoW...

They just inspected and then openly criticised, if someone's gear wasn't good enough, in their opinion.

...and not only for raids - in general.

Not a nice situation, but the devs there don't seem to care about any of that.

They seem to think everyone's a soldier, or something equally bizarre and so, should have to tolerate being treated like trash by their "superiors".

The concept of people being paying customers seems to elude them.

Tigerseye · May 2019

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Banana wrote: »

Another auto decline for you

Speaking of auto-declines, is there any way to see how many you have auto-declined?

I can only assume all those people who walk up to me, stare at me and then dance around like maniacs until I walk away are trying to kill me.

Nothing against people who dance like maniacs...

You get a text and audio prompt when the game auto-declines a duel.

So, unless you're AFK, you would probably know.

Some people just seem to dance around you for no apparent reason.

I normally just stand there.

Tigerseye · May 2019

Fajin wrote: »

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anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

I'd like to answer that particular question, because it's an argument that is very commonly used, but is, imho, invalid.

Do you care if the person you talk to "on the internet" are real people with a human intelligence or a or robots with an artificial intelligence ? When you come home in the evening, does it sound the same to you if you're greeted by your wife, or by Alexa/Siri/Cortana ?

Someone calling me "names" in ESO isn't a machine or a couple of pixels, it's a real person communicating with me over the internet, which is exactly the same as face-to-face, or over the phone, or over the email, or over a letter, etc. So yes, being called "names" in ESO isn't pleasant, and definitely not what someone is looking for in a game. Just like it's not pleasant to be called "names" by anyone in the street, or at home, or in the office, or in the subway, stranger or not. And similarly, I don't want anyone in the street to have a look into my handbag, even if I only have a handkerchief and a lipstick in there. It is a true matter of privacy. I don't wnat anyone in the streets telling me to "improve my life" by wearing Dior clothes instead of my usual Walmart clothes, because it's my money and I choose if I spend it on clothes or on holidays or on a computer rig or whatever. Just like, in the game, I get to choose how I spend my time and it doesn't have to be all about improving combat and gear and stats.

If you truly consider people in ESO to be just "anonymous strangers pixels" and you don't care that they behave rudely, then I'd give you a piece of anonymous stranger pixel advice : take care of yourself, and maybe disconnect for a while, because you're loosing touch with reality, and this is affecting your most basic social skills.

Gonna completely break my rule and reply. This is my last, honestly.

Your answer is kinda invalid (at least for me) too. As I said since this toxicity is in-game it's irrelevant. I didn't say anything about IRL toxicity. IRL toxicity is a problem that I don't deny and completely agree with, it's 100% unpleasant and horrible. I don't know why have you brought it up if in my every statement I said and referred to internet toxicity and not IRL.

it would be really long to explain why I don't consider internet toxicity relevant but since I'm already breaking my rule I'll just say couple of things:

1. Internet conversations aren't the same as face-to-face. I'm not the one loosing touch with the reality here lol
2. Since it's not face-to-face there is a big chance you won't stumble upon this person again (+ on internet you can block people)

Thank you for your opinions everybody, I have my conclusion.

You're from WoW, aren't you?

Almost everyone who plays WoW (on the EU servers) says "loosing", rather then "losing" and "Rouges" instead of "Rogues".

It's fascinating.

Gilvoth · May 2019

ArchMikem wrote: »

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Fajin wrote: »

I get really annoyed when I se someone and think "I wonder what gear he has" then press "F" and there's nothing there!

Do you know how many mass kickings from groups there'd be because people don't wear BiS sets?

this ^
exactly.

Kel wrote: »

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Fajin wrote: »

Lol, whis might seem rude, but why is everyone such a softie these days? "Oooh respect my privacy!" "Ooooh there will be discrimination about gear" etc etc. How does having gear and colors refer to privacy? Like really, does it matter that much if someone starts calling you names on the internet? If someone says "Wow, you're such a r****d, your gear isn't even orange!" Just block them lol. Elitists want attention and to be approved, because they wasted so much time grinding everything they have. There are, really, two ways dealing with them: 1. get them what they want, start asking questions, admiring them and they might stop being a D-bag and actually be polite. 2. As I said ignore and/or block them.

Edit: again, about privacy. I just don't understand howq is inspecting someone's character is creepy? I'm not watching you naked, I'm nor stealing your passport or credit card data. It's a fake character, there's nothing in the character that directly leads to you and may endanger your safety! (Well, if you didn't make his/her face exactly like yours)

Ok, this sorted out now on your advices to ask. This was kinda shocking to me, lol, "why didn't I think about this myself?" - I was thinking about reading the first page of the discussion, because I have never< in any game asked someone about gear. Thank you.

Why are you so nosy? Why can't you just mind your own business?

and this ^

well said, all truth.

anitajoneb17_ESO · May 2019

Tigerseye wrote: »

Almost everyone who plays WoW (on the EU servers) says "loosing", rather then "losing" and "Rouges" instead of "Rogues".

I'd assume he "copied" it from me since he was answering to me and I made the mistake in the first place on the word "loosing". English isn't my first language either, and although I'm confident when speaking or writing it, some mistakes are just there. Thanks for the heads up, I like to keep my English correct (not that easy on the internet ;-) ).

D0PAMINE · May 2019

Banana wrote: »

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DenMoria wrote: »

Banana wrote: »

Another auto decline for you

Speaking of auto-declines, is there any way to see how many you have auto-declined?

I can only assume all those people who walk up to me, stare at me and then dance around like maniacs until I walk away are trying to kill me.

Nothing against people who dance like maniacs...

All of them for me

I can see you naked

D0PAMINE · May 2019

On a serious note, players have always shared their build when I ask. I would never ever clown someone over their gear choices. There is a fair amount of decent players wearing suboptimal gear sets, or have CP setup that is not optimized, so if they ask for help I will help them. Im just very curious what players run. I think it's interesting. For those that value privacy, do whatever you're most comfortable with. It's only a game, have fun.

Noctus · May 2019

i played mmo with that option and it also showed me when someone inspected me. it felt like r4pe. also i keep my builds and gear a secret deal with it.