Incapacitating Strike Silence 5.0.3

seventyfive

I mean... really? It's kind of ... way too strong. Really.

enzoisadog

buff incap

MaxJrFTW

A 3 second silence on an Ult that costs 120? It's pretty much a win button.

The_Shadowborn

Sarousse

They should add a meteor proc to incap to make it even more balanced.

Althorn

FlamingBeard wrote: »

I never thought I'd say this: we need Wrobel back

Yeah it's obvious who is giving NB so much attention and why. When you've been biased about your own class for years AND playing the most meta pvp builds on it, of course you're going to push this. Funny how it's getting more attention than even Necro.

On the real though, Silence for 3 seconds and then stun someone and you'll have a huge window to burst someone seeing as silence doesn't effect cc immunity.

!!!???!!!??

MaxJrFTW

Just me or does this confirm the devs don't play their own game?

HackTheMinotaur

I am stunned. Seriously. What is this?

Literally no reason to not play a stamblade in PVP now. All Cyrodiil will be stamblade. All battleground will be stamblade. All hail the new meta (same as the old meta?).

Razier

This change is absolutely ridiculous and unfounded. They're nerfing the F out of incap, AFTER nerfing the rest of the class. Absolutely absurd and a disgrace. Instead of slowly implementing small nerfs and slowly seeing the change ZoS wants to NB they're going above and beyond to gut the class of it's stand out notoriety and absolutely shafting stamblade PvP. Just another absolutely disgusting decision by ZoS which is KILLING their PvP scene. I'm appalled and disgusted in their decision making. If these changes go through I'll be cancelling my ESO Plus. Thank god I haven't bought Elswyer yet.

Edit: Anyone that says this is a buff or any other of the NB changes are buffs (BESIDES FEAR WHICH THEY'RE REVERTING BACK) can gtfo with their incompetence and lack of understanding. They're the reason these idiotic changes are even happening. "We collected feedback on the forums." Give me a break. Half the people on the forums don't know wtf they're talking about and another 20% are just trolling around to get other classes they don't use, nerfed.

seanj87

If the stamina morph is getting 3 seconds of silence and stam and mag recovery then the magicka morph should stun, ignore all resistance, be undogdable and aoe with 10k heal absorb.

CatchMeTrolling

I don’t know who would even come up with this change lol it’s like they’re purposely trying to *** people off.

Just imagine getting incapped rotated so you can’t do anything for 6 secs or more. It’s certain death.

Dashmatt

This is a shockingly bad idea.

I wasn’t really bothered by most of the upcoming changes, but this one needs to be undone.

MaxJrFTW

Razier wrote: »

This change is absolutely ridiculous and unfounded. They're nerfing the F out of incap, AFTER nerfing the rest of the class. Absolutely absurd and a disgrace. Instead of slowly implementing small nerfs and slowly seeing the change ZoS wants to NB they're going above and beyond to gut the class of it's stand out notoriety and absolutely shafting stamblade PvP. Just another absolutely disgusting decision by ZoS which is KILLING their PvP scene. I'm appalled and disgusted in their decision making. If these changes go through I'll be cancelling my ESO Plus. Thank god I haven't bought Elswyer yet.

Sarcasm?

PureEnvelope35

HackTheMinotaur wrote: »

I am stunned. Seriously. What is this?

Literally no reason to not play a stamblade in PVP now. All Cyrodiil will be stamblade. All battleground will be stamblade. All hail the new meta (same as the old meta?).

No you're not stunned, you're silenced

Edit: I want to die

TheNightflame

HackTheMinotaur wrote: »

I am stunned. Seriously. What is this?

Literally no reason to not play a stamblade in PVP now. All Cyrodiil will be stamblade. All battleground will be stamblade. All hail the new meta (same as the old meta?).

Correction, not stunned* because you can't break free of silence and get CC immunity.
but with eclipse you can!

Tommy_The_Gun

Well....

lets honour this ultimate with 3 seconds of silence....

Jokes aside - 3 seconds is almost like nothing. You wont even notice that since, you will be able to move, roll dodge or cast stamina skills. Even if you will be stunned from stealth by this Ultimate, after immediately breaking free, you will have like 1 - 1,5 seconds of silence left. LAG sometimes is longer than that. Especially if you PvP on EU server...

Being objective here, this ultimate does imho too little to justify 120 ulti cost. Sure, you can cast it on lower ulti points but then it will do almost nothing. I can't see myself using that skill. In fact I dont since Summerset, because Dawnbreaker is much better option. And lets not forget - it is a single target only. Technically it should be compared more to Berserker Strike (Two-Handed ulti) rather than Dawnbreaker since this is also single target ulti.

Besides, since global cooldown is a thing, what a NB is supposed to do within those 3 seconds ? 1 light attack + skill ?


Imho will simply be a dead morph and pretty much every one, whenever stam or mag nb will run Soul Harvest (if they will run this ulti at all).

Edit: the only real problem is probably re-applying silence by another NB.

technohic

So nord, bloodspawn, battlefield acrobat. Werewolf hide....heroic slash NB. Profit?

FlamingBeard

Incap Silence is just to create a general uproar to distract from the other buffs NIghtblade got lol

elfantasmo

Patch 5.0
Death Stroke has been notorious for being a very potent Ultimate. We wanted to retain this ability's identity as a mark for death on your target, helping the Nightblade excel at assassinating high priority targets while reducing some of the over bearing nature it enables.

Patch 5.0.3
Incapacitating Strike: This morph no longer applies Minor Mangle or Stuns the target when cast with 120 or more Ultimate. Instead, it now Silences the target for 3 seconds when cast with 120 or more Ultimate.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler , @ZOS_Gilliam - Could you please explain how this is in anyway making the skill less potent and less overbearing? Also can you confirm whether it can be CC broke or not?

If you go live with this change Necro will not be used, there will be 100v100v100 NBs in PvP.

CleymenZero

They did this change based on feedback? Do they play mag? What is their counterplay?

When I get incap, I break free and Ward Ally with Blackrose resto and use heal depending on class I'm on. With this, any mag is dead, no counterplay...

I already broke free reducing my stam pool my stam pool, you want me to roll dodge for 3 secs waiting for CC cooldown to finish to get stunned again?

EDIT: rethought about the patch notes and incap not stunning anymore.

grannas211

Holy ***. This has to be one of the dumbest ideas they’ve ever had. I guess Wrobel was truly just the barrier between us and insanity.

Dalsinthus

3 seconds of no counterplay? Seems legit.

Between this and the grim focus change, it sure seems like the dev team has no idea what they are doing here.

olsborg

I am absolutely flabbergasted. What a stupid change this is to incap.. to the game. What are the devs thinking.. im so beyond dissapointed that I..just dont want to play eso atm.

TheNightflame

elfantasmo wrote: »

Patch 5.0
Death Stroke has been notorious for being a very potent Ultimate. We wanted to retain this ability's identity as a mark for death on your target, helping the Nightblade excel at assassinating high priority targets while reducing some of the over bearing nature it enables.

Patch 5.0.3
Incapacitating Strike: This morph no longer applies Minor Mangle or Stuns the target when cast with 120 or more Ultimate. Instead, it now Silences the target for 3 seconds when cast with 120 or more Ultimate.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler , @ZOS_Gilliam - Could you please explain how this is in anyway making the skill less potent and less overbearing? Also can you confirm whether it can be CC broke or not?

If you go live with this change Necro will not be used, there will be 100v100v100 NBs in PvP.

Necro WILL be used, health cost class purge.

DeadlyRecluse

On the plus side, this thread has been pretty great.

Bizarre stamblade "buffs": bringing the community together since forever.

Sleep724

Zos taketh, then giveth all back.

Papachico

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Well....

lets honour this ultimate with 3 seconds of silence....

Jokes aside - 3 seconds is almost like nothing. You wont even notice that since, you will be able to move, roll dodge or cast stamina skills. Even if you will be stunned from stealth by this Ultimate, after immediately breaking free, you will have like 1 - 1,5 seconds of silence left. LAG sometimes is longer than that. Especially if you PvP on EU server...

Being objective here, this ultimate does imho too little to justify 120 ulti cost. Sure, you can cast it on lower ulti points but then it will do almost nothing. I can't see myself using that skill. In fact I dont since Summerset, because Dawnbreaker is much better option. And lets not forget - it is a single target only. Technically it should be compared more to Berserker Strike (Two-Handed ulti) rather than Dawnbreaker since this is also single target ulti.

Besides, since global cooldown is a thing, what a NB is supposed to do within those 3 seconds ? 1 light attack + skill ?


Imho will simply be a dead morph and pretty much every one, whenever stam or mag nb will run Soul Harvest (if they will run this ulti at all).

what about having more than just 1 nb on your ass? ever thought about that Sherlock.

Aelakhaii_De_Mythos

PureEnvelope35 wrote: »

HackTheMinotaur wrote: »

I am stunned. Seriously. What is this?

Literally no reason to not play a stamblade in PVP now. All Cyrodiil will be stamblade. All battleground will be stamblade. All hail the new meta (same as the old meta?).

No you're not stunned, you're silenced

Edit: I want to die

lol you still crack me up

seriously, consider stand-up

UppGRAYxDD

At first I just thought they were not that smart... now I know what to call ZoS....

ccmedaddy

TheNightflame wrote: »

elfantasmo wrote: »

Patch 5.0
Death Stroke has been notorious for being a very potent Ultimate. We wanted to retain this ability's identity as a mark for death on your target, helping the Nightblade excel at assassinating high priority targets while reducing some of the over bearing nature it enables.

Patch 5.0.3
Incapacitating Strike: This morph no longer applies Minor Mangle or Stuns the target when cast with 120 or more Ultimate. Instead, it now Silences the target for 3 seconds when cast with 120 or more Ultimate.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler , @ZOS_Gilliam - Could you please explain how this is in anyway making the skill less potent and less overbearing? Also can you confirm whether it can be CC broke or not?

If you go live with this change Necro will not be used, there will be 100v100v100 NBs in PvP.

Necro WILL be used, health cost class purge.

Well this explains everything. Magicka Necromancers will be the only magicka class that can counter the new incap lmao.